Claydream (2021) Movie Script

dreamy music
-[man] Are you hungry, Al?
-Well, yeah!
I could-- I could use a...
ham sandwich, mmmm.
-[snorts]
[groans]
-Where's that chicken?
What is going on?
-[Will VO] Characters
have a simplicity to them and a
complexity to them.
-[grunts]
[screams]
[chicken screams]
[knocking on door]
-[woman] Who's here?
-[woman] Here
comes the director!
-[man] I can't hear anything!
-[woman] Quiet on the set!
-Hey, have you guys
finished that shot yet?
-[Will VO] Interesting
characters often have a simple
goal and a simple purpose,
but it's in
great conflict with
either the world around
him, with other people.
One could say that the story
makes the character or the
character makes the story.
driving ambient music
-[woman] Please,
raise your right hand.
Do you solemnly swear that
this testimony taken will be the
truth, the whole truth,
and nothing but the truth
so help you God?
-I do.
-[man] Good morning, Mr. Vinton.
-Good morning.
-[man] Are you aware that
you have sued Mr. Knight for
$3,000,000?
-Yes.
There were extraordinarily
strange happenings
and amazing
manipulation
led by -- without
question -- led by Phil Knight,
who had other
motives for the company.
-That reflects a
dispute, wouldn't you agree?
-Yeah.
-It still remains to me stunning
really that the founder of the
company could basically ignore
the interests of shareholders
other than Will Vinton or
myself -- the employees,
the creditors -- ignore all
their interests and put this
company on the
threshold of bankruptcy
for no logical reason.
-[Vinton] No,
that's not correct.
It's definitely,
absolutely the other way around.
"I Heard It Through the
Grapevine" by Isaac Brock
ethereal music
[tv clicks on]
-Were you one of those kids that
always played with the home 8mm
movie camera and was
making projects all the time?
-Projects, yeah, a lot
of projects when I was a kid.
Grew up in
McMinnville, Oregon...
classic Small Town, U.S.A.
I never really had much
interest in film production
until I actually went to
college and became very,
very interested in it.
My sister, who was in Berkeley,
strongly encouraged me to be a
part of this scene that
was Berkeley in the '60s.
There was just so much going on.
psychedelic rock
The whole Claymation
thing really evolved
out of studying architecture.
I was very fascinated with
Antoni Gaud who had done
extraordinarily organic
shapes in architecture,
things that had to be sculpted.
And that got me messing
with plasticine clay,
and the filmmaking and the
clay got together and-- for some
early experiments.
My father used to shoot
16mm film as home movie.
I asked him if I
could use his camera,
so I got this great little
filmmaker kit and kind of
instantly became a filmmaker.
My father was really
hoping I would be,
you know, a corporate
executive or something,
but he also really encouraged me
to explore and try things and,
you know, give it a go.
And if you believe in
something strong enough,
you'll find a way
to make it happen.
So first thing I started doing
is shooting a lot of stuff on
the Berkeley campus.
This is the '60s; things
were getting pretty wacky.
rock music
I was really fascinated
by what cameras could do,
and, in particular, stop motion.
You know, setting a camera on a
tripod and shooting one frame at
a time, making things move.
And animating human bodies.
You know, sort of looked
at this stuff and I said,
"Whoa, that's pretty cool!"
I learned really
quickly how you cut,
how you focus an
audience's attention,
the language of film
and the power of film.
I wasn't a storyteller, but I
saw the power of storytelling.
[clap]
There was a very active
film community in Berkeley --
filmmakers, people
that did various kinds
of experimental films.
funky ambient music
I organized evenings where I'd
stick an animation camera on the
table, give everybody
a beer in one hand,
blob of clay in the other,
you know, getting a little
inebriated...
taking a puff, as well.
And, of course, most
of this stuff became
a little pornographic.
[glug and swallow]
[vomit]
That was the beginning
of claymation for me.
It was a real
epiphany to see these very,
very crude things
happening on this tabletop,
to see these characters evolve
in this incredibly simple and
non-planned sort of way.
[man laughs]
[birds chirp]
What I was most amazed
about was how this completely
inanimate wad of clay could
move and be imbued with life.
upbeat piano music
It's the fascination
one has with magic.
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When I first saw this stuff, it
really made an impression on me.
And I felt -- even then -- that
if I could marry the magic that
I saw with really
solid film skills,
I could be really powerful.
-[man VO]
Kneel down in the dust!
Toiling over a lump of
clay 'til he shaped it!
-[Will VO] In order to do
the kind of experimenting that I
wanted to do, taking
it to the next level,
I really kind of
needed a little studio.
And actually managed to buy
a small house in Portland,
and it ended up being my
future animation studio.
Well, for several years while
making live-action and a few cel
animated films, I was working on
a technique of clay animation.
It was a technique that Bob
Gardiner-- a sculptor -- and I
worked on during college.
mellow ambient music
Bob was crazy,
wonderful artist
-- really out
there -- and just
a kind of a wild energy
that was intoxicating,
and classic artist
with a capital A.
I happened to know that he
would be -- and was -- not
doing anything.
"Say, why don't you come on
up, and let's make a film?"
So Bob came up and lived at my
place and ended up living there
for like a year
and a half, [laughs]
much to my
wife's chagrin.
Because Bob's lifestyle is
loose with various psychedelics,
which I was dabbling
in at the time too,
but not as intensely.
[laughs]
But I always liked working
with really good artists.
Bob was absolutely
one of those people,
in the sense that he was
intensely on another plane.
-[Bill VO] Bob
was a really charming guy.
He was a mad genius.
Together they were
the perfect team.
You had the wild, crazy artist
with the organized producer.
-[Will VO] We spent a
lot of time in that basement
experimenting with clay...
metamorphosis,
lip-sync, cutting techniques.
Clay animation had
been around forever.
People ask if we invented it.
No, but what we did was brought
it to the forefront by doing a
lot of experimenting.
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I decided to do a little short
short film that really showed
off some of these techniques.
[projector whirs]
[door creaks]
[man grunting]
We had trouble keeping the
characters very stable and
steady, and so we tended to make
the characters all be winos so
they could stumble around.
[man cackles]
-Thank you for turning me on.
I am a replica of the model
5-0-5 Type C electro-brain
correct, error key
muta-- muta-- mutation,
mutations,
metamorphological mutations,
mutations of reversal,
comparing mutations,
mutations, metamorphology,
push and program,
push and as the-- as
the-- as the world turns...
-[Will VO] We were real
excited about getting it done in
time for this local film
festival here in Portland,
and it was rejected.
We were just devastated.
It was a sad time,
but never stops me.
So I made as many prints as I
could afford and started sending
it around to film festivals.
And suddenly we started
getting amazing response.
Top prize at major,
big-time festivals,
and it got nominated
for an Academy Award.
-The winner is 'Closed Mondays,'
Will Vinton and Bob Gardiner.
[applause]
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-I'd like to thank
family and friends,
and uh, Will.
Thank you very much.
-Thanks members of the
Academy for an incredible honor.
And hello and thank you to all
our friends back home in Oregon.
[applause]
-[Will VO] After the
win, we were partying at the
Governor's Ball.
Bob's mother came up to him
with quite a serious face,
and she said this
was too much too soon,
and this is the kiss of death.
It made me really concerned
about what ultimately happens
with Bob.
Winning an Oscar was huge.
Seemed to me kind
of an opportunity
to explore things further.
I was just itching
to do more projects.
But for Bob, winning the Academy
Award was such a heady thing.
[pop, horn blows]
He was off doing all
sorts of crazy things.
Bob would walk around town
with his Oscar in his pocket and
stick it up on a bar and
see who'd buy him drinks.
That was the way he saw what he
was gonna do with this Oscar.
It got to be so hard that
I couldn't count on him.
It was just such a
clash of working styles.
We felt it was good to do our
own things and then help each
other out.
-[Bill VO] Bob set up
his own little studio and he got
a commission from
Rolling Stone to do a TV show.
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I got to visit his studio
and see what he was doing,
and I was really impressed.
So he did get work
after he left Vinton,
but he wasn't a good businessman
and he couldn't follow through
on it.
I think he was bipolar, so
unfortunately he descended into
this drunken stupor, and he
would rail at Vinton and claim
that he was really the artistic
genius behind 'Closed Mondays,'
that he developed the Claymation
technique and that Vinton never
gave him credit.
Will and him separated, but Will
filled the vacuum left by Bob
with really great animators.
-[Will VO] Everything
I did after that was Will
Vinton Productions.
-[man] Will Vinton
interview, take one.
[clap]
Second camera.
[clap]
And the third camera.
[clap]
groovy ambient music
-That was the
beginning of this wonderful,
delightful
collaborative kind of phase
where the goal was to try
to find some way we could
push the Claymation
into some new areas.
-[Bill VO] He had
this little studio that was
behind a barbershop.
Walk past the barbershop and up
these steps and into this secret
domain, and suddenly
there's an animation studio.
And so it was like going
into a James Bond movie.
[high-pitched swirling noises]
It was like magic.
You would not believe
what it felt like to walk
through that place.
[bike bell rings]
-[Melissa VO] The
studio was like the mother-ship.
I remember clearly
one day thinking,
"We're all gonna end up being
old together and having an old
persons' home-- retirement home.
We're all gonna
be living together."
Because it all felt very close.
-When you walk
away, you track it out.
-[Chuck VO] It
was very hippie-like.
-Can you smell that?
-[Chuck VO] A sort of commune.
-Huh?
You got some of it, don't you?
-[Chuck VO] I
have my actual contract.
It doesn't even have
my real name on it.
It was for fun.
There was nothing
legal about it.
It was just like, "Hey
you wanna work here?
Okay, well what's your name?
I'll just make one up."
The word
"corporate" didn't exist.
It just didn't
feel like a business.
It felt like art
school plus vacation.
-[Will VO] We weren't a
very sophisticated business.
We were a collective of
artists focused on doing
good creative work.
-[Michele VO] The energy was
so melodic and forward-moving.
I felt like I was working
with a master who was creating
something really wonderful
that was gonna endure for a
very long time.
-On those cues, we're
gonna turn on the lights.
delicate ambient music
-Maybe have some
[clapping] ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba.
jaunty driving music
[hammering]
-[man VO] Will Vinton's
characters seem almost human,
partly because they are.
-[woman VO] In fact, the
entire production is shot and
soundtracks recorded with live
actors before animating begins.
-You keep looking out
the window because--
-I thought that
I-- that you were--
[laughter]
-[Will VO] That whole
first decade was all about
trying to see what we could
do, see how far we could go.
psychedelic rock music
What's gonna be
different about it?
What are we gonna learn from
this one that we didn't learn
from previous ones, and what
can we take forward into the
next project?
epic rock music
I hardly even remember
thinking about making money.
The thinking was always about
what we could do to make the
projects as cool as
they could possibly be.
[water bubbles]
We did so many things as
creatively as we did by virtue
of the fact that we
were doing them very,
very inexpensively.
[dinosaur growl]
[slurps]
Lower the budget is, we could
get creative control and do
wonderful things.
-Then they go to the bar and
drink on furlough and they fight
the air force,
they fight the navy--
[shouting and commotion]
Of course,
there's no coast guard.
Oh, and then, of course, you
know, back home there was the
Andrews sisters singing
"Bugle Boy" of Company C.
female chorus singing
-[Will VO] We knew we
were pioneering something.
We were doing something that had
never really been done before,
during which we picked up four
more Academy Award nominations.
Nobody ever told
me I couldn't do it.
All I've seen in my experience
-- in my life -- has been that
if you put your mind to it,
and believe that you can do it
-- and want to do
it -- you'll do it.
uplifting orchestral music
-[man] Let her go!
-[girl] You can make it, fly!
[bells chime]
-[Will VO] We
all charged ahead,
expanding it and trying to grow
it and move it in whatever ways
we possibly could.
[rattles]
[glistens]
[slides click]
-Will loved the fact that he
didn't have to be in Los Angeles
to do this kind of
work and to get noticed.
-[man VO] Has there ever been a
temptation for you to move from
Portland to Hollywood where
all the big film business is?
-Well, in all honesty there's
some small amount of temptation.
-[Craig VO]
Here you are in Portland,
which is hardly a film center.
Lifestyle mattered
more than money, and
what people did on the
weekends mattered more than
their jobs.
-What I can surmise from
what you're positing is like,
Portland's almost an
alternative universe.
It's almost like
cars don't exist, right?
-Yes!
-You can ride bikes,
or double decker bikes.
They ride unicycles,
they ride the tram,
they ride skateboards.
-Exactly!
-'Portlandia' is almost like
a documentary as far as I'm
concerned in terms of
showing how eccentric and unique
Portland is, and how much
everything's kind of a one-off.
Will's Claymation
studio's like that too.
Nobody else is doing
anything like this.
He wanted to do his own
thing, he created it,
and he gave us all these jobs.
The best stop-motion animators
from around the world all
gravitated to the
famous Will Vinton Studio.
-[Will VO] I'm really
committed to working here,
and there's really no reason
that you have to produce a film
in Hollywood.
mellow ambient music
-Will the entrepreneur -- Will
the guy who started something
from nothing and did it just
because he wanted to -- if
you're gonna be an entrepreneur,
you're gonna start a company,
you're gonna be the man.
-The first time I
really met Will,
the two words that came
to mind were "white heat,"
a burning ambition
to make a brand,
to make a name.
He just wanted to conquer.
-[Jeffrey VO] A good
decade before Will got started,
there was another eclectic
long-shot small business here
in Oregon.
It was a guy selling
shoes, and it was Phil Knight,
and that company became Nike.
-Oh sweat!
Oh sweat!
Oh sweat, it's Nike!
You gotta hook me up!
hip hop beat
-[Jeffrey VO] It
absolutely came to dominate.
It became this
world-eating company.
And there's an interesting
parallel between Phil and Will;
they pioneered an
industry and they stuck with it,
and against all odds they
built something pretty special.
And then they sort of came
together and disasters result.
-[woman] Mr. Knight,
please raise your right hand.
Do you solemnly swear that this
testimony will be the truth,
the whole truth, and
nothing but the truth,
so help you God?
-I do.
-[woman] Thank you.
-Mr. Knight, would you explain
what first interested you in
investing in Will
Vinton Studios?
-Wil Vinton had approached me
in the spring of '98 about the
possibility of investing
in Will Vinton Studios,
and I was intrigued.
-And what intrigued you?
-Well, first of all, profitable.
They had been in
existence a long time,
they had won an
Academy Award, and
they'd had considerable artistic
success in the creative field,
and I was interested in that.
-Was there any intent to do
future Will Vinton Studios
animation outside of Portland?
-What do future plans outside
of Portland have to do with any
subject matter of this lawsuit?
-Well I have a theory, but
I don't need to go into it.
tense ambient music
-Um, how would
you characterize
your level of frustration
over Will Vinton?
-High.
news program jingle
-[man VO] Portlanders Will
Vinton and Susan Shadburne have
made animated films Walt
Disney would've envied.
-Your working relationship,
you're married but you also
work together.
I would think that it would
be hard to separate the two.
-[Vinton] It is.
-And we really live
two separate lives.
When we were working really
intensely on something -- I
should point out the 'Rip Van
Winkle' script got started on
our honeymoon--
[laughter]
He kept telling me that
was a deadline [laughing]
and things like that. [laughs]
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-Will's extraordinarily focused
-- one of the most focused
people I've ever met --
but if his focus shifts,
he really is able to kind of cut
the traces of what came before,
totally cut them.
-[Will VO] When things
get kind of easy or a little
rote, I find myself going
kind of somewhere else.
-[Susan VO] I mean,
all the times I knew him,
I don't remember us ever having
to wrestle with his conscience.
It is, "This is
what's being done.
This is what I'm doing."
I didn't ever see
him waver on that.
The ending of it came as a
complete surprise to me.
He had a wife prior to me.
He left her in
exactly the same way.
12 years...
no discussions about it,
no looking back.
He was a mystery to himself.
-[Michele VO]
He's a very complex man.
The place he felt most free to
express himself was in his work.
-[Mary VO] Will on one
hand showed himself to
the world through his art.
He had all of these characters
who, of course, were expressing
facets of himself.
And yet he was also
a very private man.
There's a lot of people, maybe
most of the people who know Will
who might say, "I never
really quite knew him.
I could never
quite figure him out."
He had trouble
expressing emotions
when it wasn't with clay.
-I see Will as a character,
a character with a dream,
with a character flaw, and
with a kind of a sadness.
-[Will VO] Characters
have an infinite range of
emotions and expressions, but
there aren't an infinite number
that they use.
A character usually
stays in character.
chimes ascend
-[woman] All together now!
-Ho ho ho, hee
hee hee, ha ha ha!
-[Will VO] The pressure on
this first creative phase is
that we wanted to keep
the bar extremely high,
and we wanted to
do feature films.
-As things began to get bigger
and bigger and pretty soon he's
having what he wants -- which
he always told me was to be the
second Walt Disney -- and
it looked as if maybe that
were happening.
uplifting ambient music
-[Jerry VO] There were
definitely parallels between the
young Will Vinton Studios
and Walt Disney Studios.
Each success followed by a
way to follow up on that in a
commercial way, and
then if you can do that,
you can experiment and
make 'Fantasia' or build
a Disneyland.
Will had it.
He was actually doing it.
He won his Oscar.
He was making shorts.
He was making a feature,
which was 'The Adventures of
Mark Twain.'
-A man with a
new idea is a fool...
until the idea succeeds.
-[Will VO] 'The Adventures of
Mark Twain' was the zenith of
Claymation because
the whole kitchen sink
was thrown in there.
A lot of the techniques that you
saw in some of the short films
that came before it.
-[Craig VO] Clay
painting from 'The Creation...'
metamorphosis from
'The Great Cognito...'
special effects that we used in
things like 'The Little Prince.'
There's nothing like it.
There's nothing
even remotely like it.
Will wanted this to feel like
you were in his clay world.
Furniture was made out of
clay, the walls were clay,
the pictures on
the wall were clay.
-It is a landmark achievement
in the motion picture field,
and that is because it is the
first clay-animated feature
movie ever made.
-[Melissa VO] A lot
was riding on 'The Adventures
of Mark Twain.'
It was in production over five
years with a small crew toiling
over this very tedious
process of making this movie.
-The basic
philosophy has not changed.
Vinton and his staff hope
to continue to be a form of
entertainment
primarily for adults.
You'll never see Will Vinton's
name on the kind of things that
you're seeing now on
Saturday morning TV.
-[Melissa VO] Will felt
that this is a sophisticated
film that should
appeal to adults.
And it just didn't get
marketed in that way.
-The interesting
thing is the movie,
it's kind of a dark story, and
there were warning labels on
those cassettes that say, "This
may not be suitable for your
child," which was the kiss
of death if you're trying to
release a children's movie.
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-[Melissa VO] 'Mark Twain' had
a really disappointing premiere.
People would
take their children,
or they didn't always
get the next level of
humor or sophistication.
-[voice on speaker] Welcome
to the mysterious stranger.
[children whispering]
-Hello.
-Who are you?
-Satan.
-Uh oh.
-[Will VO] Well, there's
no question I was hoping
'Mark Twain' would be
the beginning of doing more
feature projects.
I think above all I was
disappointed with what happens
in the world of distribution.
-That was a real sad thing that
nobody seemed to know what to do
with this magical stuff.
He had a capacity to put things
in a place where they wouldn't
interfere or slow him down, but
in his private place with just
himself, he and him,
it hurt him very much.
-I did a bit of soul searching
and thought about how the
creative process works, and I've
come up with what I think is my
most creative project to date,
which I would like to introduce
to you at this time.
[applause]
This is Billy.
Say hello!
[chuckles]
Let's look at the creative
process and how it works.
[audience laughter]
It all starts with an idea.
Perhaps nothing more
than a twinkle in your eye.
And in time, with a
little give and take,
assuming the idea
finds fertile ground,
it may soon be fully conceived.
But you still don't
know what you've got.
[audience laughter]
As the concept goes
into a gestation period,
it grows and it modifies.
Finally, the project is
fully realized with a tremendous
amount of effort.
And is released-- [Billy coos]
Yeah.
[audience laughter]
And is
released for all to see.
To the creators it's
hard to be objective,
and it often looks pretty
bad when it first comes out.
But at that point, one can't
help but sort of feel like
you're-- question what it is
you've really done as a creator,
and before long a strong sense
of pride generally results to
the point where you may
even consider doing it again.
[laughter]
We have Mummy.
-[laughs]
-[Will] And Billy.
-Let me stand up and
show how pregnant.
-[Will] Very pregnant.
There it is.
That's Jesse.
-Yeah, this is Jesse.
Oh my God, there they go!
-[Jesse VO] He was
always interested in looking
for projects that
we could do with him.
Even though he wasn't the kind
of person that would really say
a lot of "I love yous"
or really kind of
show affection...
[drumming]
You know, he had his own way
of constantly showing us that he
loved us.
mellow ambient music
The best times that we
had with one another,
we were actively trying
to accomplish a goal,
making something,
creating something.
Going to cut down
a Christmas tree,
we would literally hack
down like a 20-foot tree,
and we'd bring it home.
Billy and I were six and eight
years old and we were like up on
the balcony with like a
rope-pulley system that my dad
had like showed us how to
like rig on the top of the tree,
and he's down below trying
to like push the tree up.
-[woman] There's Will.
-[man] There's Will.
-[woman] The man
with the camera,
and now we're moving in on him,
because-- Billy don't pull on
the camera!
-[woman] Get a close-up of him
so that we know that Daddy was
here too.
-[Jesse VO] Things
were really taking off for the
studio, and it
was growing rapidly.
He spent an enormous
amount of time at the studio,
and maybe prioritized
that over family a little bit.
I think that's
what he had to do.
-Oh, look at the...
-[Melissa VO]
After 'Mark Twain' had a really
disappointing premiere,
we were all depressed.
Will came back,
and was like, "Well,
let's get to
work," like undaunted.
[claps]
-"Okay, let's get rolling," and
he would say that without fail.
And so that's just the kind
of guy he was -- it was like,
[clap] "Okay,
let's get rolling."
-[Hal VO] I've never seen
him exhibit frustration or anger
or being down.
So it is hard to sort of see him
as a fully rounded human being,
because he's always
got that outward-facing,
optimistic demeanor.
You wonder, "What
are the secret doubts?"
anxious ambient music
-[Will VO] My parents
were always just so supportive
of trying things,
of experimenting.
What they would say,
"Yeah okay, what's next?"
And I'm like that
myself, like, "That was cool.
That was really fun.
Okay, let's see what's next."
[laughs]
Kind of look around.
The California Raisin Advisory
Board came to us with the idea
of personifying
raisins that moved to
"I Heard It
Through the Grapevine."
Ooh, I heard it
through the grapevine
Raised in the
California sunshine
-I was the director on the
first California Raisins spot,
and I thought, "Man,
what a dorky commercial.
Nobody's ever gonna
see this commercial.
I'm wasting my time."
-[Will VO] A tiny, tiny
little advertising campaign
just took off.
It went viral in an era
where "viral" didn't exist yet.
-It seems almost everyone is
wild about these raisins and
their hip sales pitch.
-[Will VO] The fact that
it's taken the nation by storm
is kind of quite a surprise.
-[man VO] Raisins are more
popular with youngsters than old
favorites like Charlie Brown.
A true advertising phenomenon.
groovy music
-[man VO] America
has gone raisin crazy.
We have raisin
t-shirts, raisin sweatshirts,
raisin coffee mugs.
-[Will VO] Claymation
was on people's tongues
in a way that it
never had been before.
I can't tell you how
many times people said,
"Wow, what's it like to
be an overnight success?"
-[woman VO] Well,
we've all heard of
the overnight sensation--
-And I'm going, "Yeah,
after 15 years of doing this."
You know?
-Will Vinton is an
Academy Award winner,
but hardly anybody knew
his name until he made a
television commercial.
-[Will VO] To me,
commercials were little films,
using characters to
really connect with audiences.
-We have a hit now, and it's
opening up all these new doors
for us, and we're a busy studio.
[squeaky laughter]
-[man VO] Meet the Noid...
the star of Domino's
Pizza commercials.
-The Noid happened the same time
the California Raisins happened
and just blew up.
They were huge.
But we won an award for
being the stupidest ad campaign.
I don't get it.
He hates pizza?
He loves pizza?
He wrecks pizza?
So why should I get Domino's?
[zapping]
[grunting]
-[man] Does it sell pizzas?
-Oh, absolutely.
Like crazy.
-[Melissa VO] People
became aware of this process of
Claymation, and they
wanted to be part of it.
-[man VO] Nike
makes aerobic shoes...
tennis shoes...
-[Will VO] There
was a lot of capital.
One of the accountants said,
"What are you guys doing over
there?
You printing money?"
He was so surprised at
the level of profitability.
My father finally [laughing]
stopped wondering when I was
gonna get a real job. [laughs]
And he said that to me.
-I'd like to thank
our family and friends...
and Will.
-Bob Gardiner saw that Will
moving forward with their idea
and creating a company
that didn't include him,
he felt that he had been
slighted or robbed of something.
-[Susan VO] Everybody
knew Bob was kind of crazy.
Crazy Bob, funny crazy Bob, who
wasn't so funny after a while.
-[David VO] His activity
would flare up whenever the
studio was
getting a lot of press.
It seemed to agitate him.
-"Claymation" -- you
coined the phrase?
-Yeah, right.
-[Barbara] It's just clay--
-It comes from "clay animation."
-[David VO] You'd
come to work in the morning,
and there'd be graffiti on the
wall outside that was clearly a
message from Bob.
-[Susan VO]
He wrote "Swill Vinton,
Mediocre Crap" like in
five-foot high letters.
-[David VO] He would
call Vinton up in the middle of
the night, yell at
him, and threaten him.
-Hello?
-[Melissa VO]
There would be death threats--
-Yes, uh huh.
-[Melissal VO] And the studio
had to take those seriously.
Will carried a gun.
-Okay, yeah.
-My name is Nicolle
Gardiner-Sampson,
and Bob Gardiner was my father.
I probably won't ever
meet anybody like my dad.
If you approached him, he would
often have a story to tell,
or he'd play the piano for you.
He would draw with you
and doodle with you.
Nothing was ever typical.
It was magical.
I knew that Bob and
Will had a falling out since
I was a little girl.
I think it was always a
ghost that haunted him,
and he struggled letting go.
moody music
-By the way, is Mr. Gardiner
the one who is the true creator
of Claymation?
-Um, why would you ask that?
-I don't want to
hear, "Why would I?"
because your complaint alleges
that you are widely recognized
as a creative genius and
the developer of Claymation.
Answer the question.
-Mr. Gardiner, absolutely not.
-[man] Did you develop it
jointly with Mr. Gardiner?
-Absolutely not.
Claymation was developed,
five or-- several years after I
worked with Bob
Gardiner-- coined.
-See, that wasn't hard.
-[David VO] Bob was
an incredibly creative artist,
somewhat mad,
somewhat delusional.
He was good with inspired ideas,
but he couldn't execute on them.
So you gotta give Will credit
that probably 'Closed Mondays'
got executed at all.
If it was up to Bob, that
film probably would never
have been made.
As much art as he put into it,
he needed someone to guide him
through actually
finishing something.
-Will produced it -- that's what
he did -- and a lot of the stuff
you see there is Bob.
The stuff that
people go, "Ooo-ooo!"
-- that's Bob.
jaunty music
-What was that guy thinking of?
Puh.
-With most things in life,
there was a grain of truth to
some of it.
Was this just a really angry
guy who was making up all these
ideas about what had
happened in that relationship,
or was he really an aggrieved
creative who felt he didn't get
his due?
news jingle
-Portland's own
California Raisins are
back in the news again.
They have a new home video out,
and to give you an idea of how
good it's selling, it reached
platinum even before it hit
the stores.
-One of the first productions we
did as an entertainment project
was a CBS primetime special
called 'Meet the Raisins!' and
it was done rockumentary
parody of 'Meet the Beatles.'
-The California Raisins, these
four working class musicians
have risen from garden
variety band to pop phenomenon.
But what are the
roots of such genius?
From whence doth it spring?
-[Will VO] First time I'd gotten
into primetime television.
-It's a movie camera!
So do something.
[clonk]
[growls]
-[man VO] We bear fortunate
witness to the youngsters'
discovery of tonal
resonance and harmony.
-So far we had had anonymous
raisins in all of these spots,
and we wanted to kind of
create distinctive characters
for entertainment purposes, so
we created the California Raisin
Band with--
-[man VO] A.C.,
Beebop, Stretch, and Red.
-That four, you know?
-Like a fool I went
and stayed too long
Now I'm wonderin' if
your love's still strong
-Ooh, baby, here I am
Signed, sealed,
delivered, I'm yours
[cheering]
-[Will VO] The
show won a Primetime Emmy,
and that was a really, really
successful project in terms of
popularity, and in terms of
moving the Raisins to a new
level, which was just
pure music entertainment.
[gunfire]
-Upcoming projects
include a number of television
commercials, a music video --
that for reasons of secrecy we
can only say is
for a major pop star.
[beep]
-[Michael Jackson on answering
machine] Will, I really need you
to call me.
This is very important.
Thank you, bye.
[beep]
This is Michael calling again.
Please don't think
I'm being a nuisance.
Let's do something
here, be pioneers.
So thank you, bye.
[hangs up]
[beep]
-[Scott on answering machine]
Will, this is Scott Norton from
work, and um,
Michael Jackson just called.
[beep]
-[Michael on answering machine]
Will, it's Michael calling.
Are you there?
Will?
[hangs up]
-[Webster VO]
Michael was a big fan.
He saw Will as a Disney
figure, and he was a big fan
of the work.
-[Will VO] He got around
to saying how much he loved the
California Raisin commercials,
so I realized where he was
going, and I said, "Michael,
you should be a Raisin."
-The rap raisins
materializing behind me.
I wanted to define the character
and find his expression,
which is 99 percent of it.
The one guy has the glasses,
and he has the type of attitude
that-- he's so cool that
I'm fortunate that he's here.
And he's much too
cool for, like, one of these.
It's like, "What
you lookin' at?"
The other raisin
would be this style,
no glasses, so his eyes--
it's mostly the expression.
"I Heard It Through the
Grapevine" by Michael Jackson
I heard it
through the grapevine
Raised in the
Califonia sunshine
Heard it
through the grapevine, baby
[fireworks explode]
-[woman VO] There's no way
these princes of produce are
going to rot.
They are one of the hottest
headliner acts in the country.
You may be wondering
who has the rights to
all that Raisin paraphernalia.
Well, it's the California
Raisins Advisory Board,
not Will Vinton.
-This is the famous
blunder that he regretted,
where he didn't get a
portion of the licensing,
which nobody thought
was gonna be a big deal, really.
-Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
We're talking about $400,000,000
in products that we could've had
a piece of.
-Oooh, this is a
harbinger of things to come.
I can feel it.
wistful music
-It was really hard after a
while to pull people's teeth
[laughs] and to work on the
next Raisin show because we had
already done that, and our
culture was built around,
you know, "Do
something different."
You know, "What else can we do?"
-The studio was trying very
hard to create some intellectual
property of its own, and they
wanted to try and create their
own characters that they would
own all the merchandising on,
their own Mickey Mouse.
-[Will VO] We
have a character I'm very,
very fond of.
He's just been signed to a very,
very big role in a major feature
that we're developing right now,
and he and we are very excited
about that.
-I'm invincible!
I feel like I could
climb every mountain!
-[Chuck VO] The dream
behind Wilshire Pig was to be
Will's Mickey Mouse.
Instead of Mickey Mouse
ears we had rubber pig noses.
-[Melissa VO] Will
would used to say that Wilshire
Pig was his alter ego.
-You get offered five million
bucks to do a commercial,
and you turned it down?
-There's the tycoon
element to that character.
He sort of like the
greedy capitalist.
That might be the way that he
thought of himself as Wilshire
Pig, probably as not as the good
parts of himself but rather the
kind of dirty things he had to
do to find success at the level
that he found it.
[explosion]
-He was building this idea of,
"If I create these characters--
[rumbling]
[shouts]
--then after that I can make
a bunch of films with those
characters, and from that I
can make an amusement park."
-The point of amusement
rides is not amusement.
The point of amusement
rides is making money!
[gears crank]
[coins jingle]
Perfect!
[explosion]
-[Chuck VO] They were
always trying to get the thing
that would make
the amusement park.
It's like he was
looking down a checklist,
and he was ticking off the
boxes of what he needed to
become Disney.
-[man's voice on TV] Will Vinton
-- the creator of Claymation --
is now creating
Claymation Station,
a year-round entertainment park.
It would be on 15 to 20
acres behind Union Station,
serving as a depot to
transport people to real places,
to other worlds, and to the
far reaches of imagination.
There would be rides and
shops, a 3-D movie theater,
restaurants, a large hotel,
and motion picture studios.
Can Will Vinton
make it a success?
Well, he's already
made raisins dance,
so who's to say his latest
brainstorm is pushing the
imagination too far?
[static]
moody ambient music
-[Bill VO] Bob Gardiner
would call me in the middle of
the night from some ghost town
where he was doing tours of the
empty mining shafts.
He'd still complain about
Will Vinton and how he got
ripped off.
-[Nicolle VO]
My dad kind of picked up this
day-job lifestyle.
It just kind of seemed
like him letting go.
He let go of his creativity.
He talked a lot about
Will, and that was it.
-Good morning everybody,
and welcome to Portland,
Oregon for the Grand
Floral Parade which is
about to get underway.
-[Bill VO] Bob Gardiner
threatened to assassinate Will
Vinton at the Rose
Festival Parade.
[gun clicks]
ominous strings
Gardiner was gonna have a scope
rifle up on the top of the Meier
& Frank Building and off him.
-[man VO] And there he
is, you heard it through the
grapevine, folks.
That's Will Vinton, the
Grand Marshal of the parade.
-[Bill VO] Will -- to
be safe -- got the FBI to patrol
all the rooves of the buildings
along the parade route.
-[woman VO] You've
certainly seen his work with the
California Raisins.
Looks like he brought a few
of his friends with him today.
-[Bill VO] For
something to do with cartoons,
it just seems
really out of whack.
-[Will VO] Bob and I did a
wonderful thing together.
I wish that we could've both
cherished that into the sunset.
It's hard for me to talk
about it because it was such
a sad thing.
I knew that he
was in a lot of pain.
When I heard that he had,
uh, committed suicide, um...
I was...
I was...shocked.
I guess I-- you
could say, but...
somehow strangely
not completely surprised.
I wished so much at that time
that I really could've helped to
celebrate who he
was as a person,
as an artist...
and tell him how sorry
I felt about the whole thing.
-I went to help pack up his
stuff and being in his place --
boxing everything --
was really haunting,
looking at all the
stuff that he left out.
He had Marvin Gaye "Heard It
Through the Grapevine" sitting
open on his little piano.
That particular song
was this, like, goodbye to Will.
My dad's work will
always keep him alive.
I can always go back and
look through his writing.
I can look through his drawings.
I can watch 'Closed Mondays.'
The expressions through his
drawings or his animation,
you get to see him in that,
and so that's where the artist
is alive.
[chimes]
-This is it...where
the rubber meets the road.
[mechanical whirring]
[rattling]
[snorts]
-[David VO] Wilshire Pig
and the licensable characters
weren't that
interesting to the animators.
-What's that?
[screams]
[pins clatter]
-[David VO]
More talking animals;
Warner Brothers and
Disney already covered
that pretty thoroughly.
Is there something
else we could do?
-[Webster VO] The
ideas just weren't progressing.
-Test results...inconclusive.
[snorts]
Aw, dang!
Why does it keep
happening to me?
This should've worked!
-[Webster VO] People
just stopped giving a shit
because they were just so
disenchanted with what was
going on.
Important people
started to leave the studio.
-It was reaching that point
where you finally realized how
much work you were doing, and
you weren't getting credit for
all the man hours
you were putting in.
-[Bill VO] He felt
it important --sometimes -- to
overlook some of the credit that
should perhaps have been given
to many of the talented
people actually making the work.
-He would actually say,
"It's Will Vinton Studios.
We're all successful," but I do
think he also had that personal
drive that he himself
wanted to be seen as the
driving creative force.
[electricity sparks]
-[Bill VO] Certainly
Walt Disney did a great job of
forging that visionary
personalization of his own name
as a brand itself.
[claps]
-[in Mickey Mouse voice]
Hey Pluto, here she comes!
-The general perception was Walt
Disney drew every comic book,
made every short film and
feature film -- in fact the
studio perpetuated that myth.
Of course that's why
the signature is the logo.
He was an artist and
he signed his artwork.
But when the artist looks
at Walt Disney to emulate,
that usually doesn't
work out too well.
-People resented that
he had these big goals,
and yet at the ground level
where we were working on stuff,
we just didn't
like it that much.
-Here's some Raisin news
right off the press for you;
starting this fall the
California Raisins will be added
to the Saturday
morning cartoon lineup.
Will Vinton will
produce the show.
It won't be done in
Claymation, but cel animation.
-It's the
California Raisin Show!
-That really was
against our grain,
because it was Saturday morning,
because it really was kind of
for kids.
-And so it was
less than a success.
-Whenever you get
really successful --
we were kind of the
flavor of the month --
you go out of fashion.
melancholy piano music
-Guess those wrinkled rockers
were just a flash in the pan.
-[cartoon VO] Ouch!
-[Bill Fiesterman
VO] They were saying,
"There's a lot of
Claymation on TV now,
and advertising agencies are
looking for something that looks
a little different."
-You know, I
think we ought to...
I don't wanna put
it in the negative.
-[Will VO] People had
always come to us for something
that was really
unique and creative,
but people were starting to
say we were all about raisins.
Suddenly there was this kind of
myopic sense about what we do as
filmmakers, and that was tough
for me -- a double-edged sword,
as they say.
-The whole Claymation look
had kind of run its course,
and it dropped out of style,
and the studios fell on pretty
hard times.
-Despite our
limitations as artists,
and our foibles like not
wanting to lay anybody off,
period -- which is just totally
a non-concept when it comes to
proper business -- you
don't have the work,
get rid of people, you know,
it's the mantra -- it wasn't
even considered.
-They were having a really hard
time getting commercial work,
and there was very little
demand for what they were doing.
Will saw the logic in expanding
their look and style and tools.
-[Will VO] When I
first picked up clay...
while the material was crude,
lumpy, didn't stand up straight,
rather quickly, I
could really see that the
possibilities were phenomenal.
I feel that we're in
exactly the same place
with computer animation.
-[Chris VO] Computer
animation was brand new.
There had yet to be a
computer-animated movie and
computer animation was
just kind of a novelty.
-We really did
embrace the digital tools,
thinking this could
really bring some new energy,
some new life, some new ways
to bring to life characters.
funky music
One of the old-time advertisers
that wanted to move into the
digital world was M&M's.
It was a big campaign, and
a lot of production companies
jumped on it.
So we actually had to compete,
but then nobody thought of us as
a computer company at all,
as even having the tools.
And the truth is [whispers] we
didn't really have the tools.
[laughs]
Our pitch to them was, "Anybody
can do the 3-D animation.
This is what we'd
like to see you doing.
Name them -- Red, Yellow, Green,
Blue -- give them character,
give them attitude,
give them backstories,
but above all just fill
them full of attitude."
-Yes it's true, yeah,
we're totally blue
-I wanna be in this commercial.
-You ain't getting this
job, 'cause you're not blue!
-Great.
-[Will VO] It's so cool
to see the exact same characters
that we pitched have
endured to this day.
-[David VO]
M&M's are a huge story.
They came because Will had
successfully sold the image of
Will Vinton as a creative force.
It's a really really important
pivot because that was a cash
cow and a proving ground for
what the studio could be and
became all throughout the '90s.
-[Chris VO] Everything
shifted during this time period.
They were
sticking in photographs.
They were making characters
out of cardboard flats.
They were experimenting with
all these different materials to
make stop-motion puppets
and different graphic looks.
-Al, I'm wood.
What have I got to lose?
[mechanical whir]
[saws buzz]
Oh, no!
-[Chris VO] In trying
all these different looks,
they really revitalized interest
in the studio and was pretty
successful again.
We kept getting more
and more accounts,
and they started
hiring people like crazy.
Most of the hiring that
they did was for full-time,
full-benefit staff positions.
It exploded in size.
-[Chuck VO] Will was always
supposed to just have a small
group of artists
that love what they do,
and he loved what he did.
I don't think Will
was a businessman.
He was just more of a creator
and an artist and a guy with
ideas, and he had fun at it.
-[Will VO] As
we grew the company,
it was becoming a little less
creatively satisfying for me.
I was doing a lot of stuff that
was not the things that excited
me about being an
artist, about being a creator,
so I was looking for more
creative things that I could do.
-We have a special guest
tonight on Oregon Art Beat,
the man who made
Claymation a household word.
Casey is with Will Vinton.
-That's right, I am.
Thank you very much, Mike,
and thank you for joining us.
-Oh, a pleasure.
-[Casey] We've got some
tape that shows a little bit of
the process.
Why don't we roll that
tape so we can see it,
and you can kind of
narrate it as we go along.
-[Will VO] What you
see here is Thurgood
who is in 'The PJs' which
is our television show.
-What happened is, I
described what the guy was like,
what his personality was
like, and Will Vinton would go,
and he'd make up sketches.
Then once I looked at him, then
I'd come up with a voice that
looks like what he
would sound like.
-Hello, projects!
[cheering]
I am the Reverend
Thurgood Stubbs.
-I worked very closely
with Eddie to do the pilot,
and that was fun, and
that was really creative,
and that was me getting
my feet back into it.
[helicopter sounds]
-I can't take this anymore!
I can't take it!
-But not as satisfying for
for me personally as doing
my own thing.
-[Casey] What can we look
forward to seeing from you in
the future?
-We have another show that'll be
launching called 'Gary & Mike'
that's gonna run on
Fox through the summer.
-There ain't nothing but
open road from here on out.
[car sputters]
-[Will VO] We
really scaled it up.
We did 13 half-hour
shows of 'The PJs'--
-Don't worry.
I know exactly what I'm doing.
Whoops! [grunts]
-[Will VO]
Eight of 'Gary & Mike'--
-Good luck!
-You're the one
who's gonna need it!
-80 or 90 major commercials,
all in a year's time.
They also were
significant revenue generators,
but I was
definitely into a new mode.
I'm not the
filmmaker-entrepreneur at all.
It was kind of a beast with
a life of its own that didn't
really equal me so much anymore.
-When you started, you
were a very small shop,
and now -- I think you were
telling me -- you have three
buildings in northwest Portland?
-[Will VO] Yeah,
we have three buildings,
sometimes four.
-[Casey VO] And how
much of a staff now?
-[Will VO] Well over 300
artists and animators and
staff-people.
-Well, we'll be seeing lots
of you as the years go by.
Will, thank you so much for
joining us on Oregon Art Beat.
-My pleasure.
"You've Got a Friend
in Me" by Randy Newman
-[Charlie VO] 'Toy Story'
made history last year as the
first
computer-generated feature film.
Joining me now,
Pixar's chairman and CEO,
Steve Jobs.
-We're about putting
stories into the culture,
that's what we're--
We're about telling stories.
And you know--
-I'm gonna come back and
interview you in five years and
find out you're in some other
business and you found some
other well to go fishing in?
-You know, I tend to stay
where I start until somebody
kicks me out.
[laughter]
-[Will VO] Steve Jobs seemed
to have an interest in us
as a television organization.
After quite a bit of due
diligence between the companies,
they came back and floated the
idea that Pixar would purchase
us and purchase all of
my stock for Pixar stock.
I'm going, "Well, what-
you know, okay, I'm sitting on
millions of shares of Will
Vinton Studios stock and there's
this company called Pixar,
so I'd be trading that for
millions of shares or
something of this Pixar stock,"
and basically just
rejected it out of hand.
Well, jump forward
about [laughs] 10/15 years.
If I had taken that deal, I'd be
probably arguably be one of the
largest, maybe the
largest shareholder of Disney.
[laughs]
-[man] You've been a
businessman for many years.
-[laughs]
Of sorts.
-Why did you step
down as CEO in 1997?
-I really wanted to get back to
doing what I had always-- what I
used to do, which was more
development and directing and
focus on that, on
the creative side.
-[Will VO] I was really eager to
get back into being a director,
and I was kind of ready
to shed responsibility.
I ended up deciding that I
really did need to bring in a
CEO that could come in and
handle the business side.
We actually came up with a
guy that I thought the world of
named Tom Turpin.
-[David VO] Tom Turpin
was a Gentleman's Quarterly
version of your
ideal CEO candidate.
He looked good, he
could say the right things,
he was always very
warm in a Hollywood way.
-People were leery when Tom
Turpin started because he was
just this dashing,
charming, fast-talking guy.
And Will just loved him.
We were like, "The guy just
says whatever you want to hear."
-Are you ready to make your
wildest dreams come true?
Of course you are!
-Whoa!
-I actually joined April 1st,
1997 -- April Fools Day --
and I dug it.
I just thought it
was a cool place, very cool.
The ad division was
really a cash cow,
and it really covered
a lot of the overhead,
so when the TV shows
came in, they started making
a lot of money.
We actually made a lot of money.
-[Will VO] One of the things
that our CEO felt we should do
is raise capital.
Well, that's a completely
different concept than what we
had ever had.
You know, what are we
gonna do with this capital?
And of course the mantra was,
"You raise capital when you
don't need it."
[laughing] Oh, okay, all right.
I think that
sounds right. [laughs]
-[man] Take a look
at exhibit four, please.
-[Tom VO] Phil, I
couldn't think of a more
prestigious investor than that.
We reminded him of when he was
at the beginning of his career,
and there was
something fun in that for him.
Company like Nike is so big;
it just turns into a monster
business, and your
role changes, right?
He just remembered that
kind of entrepreneurial juice,
and he saw it in us
-- let's just do it.
For $5,000,000, Phil acquired
15 percent of the company.
-[man] I heard you got offered
five million bucks to do one of
those tennis shoe
ads, is that true?
-Whoa, $5,000,000?
-I still liked the idea
of getting in the feature
film business.
-[Tom VO] To
move into features,
you need to have a
deep pocket behind you.
Pixar had Steve Jobs, and
now Vinton has Phil Knight.
-[Jeffrey VO] I can't think
that any other business that
he's invested in is stayed.
It was totally out of
character for Phil to do that.
Knight had so much money; it was
going to be a great partnership.
-[Will VO] Having built this
company, and 25 years later I
actually was looking at a kind
of exit strategy to slip into a
different role and allow me
the time to do my own projects.
-[Tom VO] I think that
Will's real dream was to be
making feature films.
[chimes]
-[man VO] Will Vinton Features
presents 'The Frog Prince.'
-We've taken the timeless appeal
of the Brothers Grimm story and
made it into this
expansive, magical,
emotionally
engaging musical comedy.
-He was so optimistic and
excited and enthusiastic about
everything that he did.
Not only were we gonna have
'Gary & Mike' and 'The PJs'
running, but we had three
pilots that were in production.
And at the same time, it was
looking like some of these
feature films were gonna
happen; 'Corpse Bride' started
to happen.
It felt like all of
Will's dreams were coming true.
-Mr. Knight had been a
shareholder since 1998, correct?
-Correct.
-[man] And he had been
very hands-off, hadn't he?
-Yes, that's correct.
-And his son had been an
employee from about that same
point in time, correct?
-That was one of the things
that Phil wanted as part of that
first investment was for his
son to have employment there.
moody ambient music
-Phil Knight just said,
"I have a son who's in the
creative world.
He likes animation;
he's rapping now."
-Nikes on my
feet, kick your seat
Through the
right or the left
Imma keep it slick
You thought that I was
whack, money [indistinct]
Another name
for Richard is Dick
So get off mine
-[man VO] Although he's got his
own state-of-the-art recording
studio and indoor
tennis and basketball courts,
all this millionaire homeboy
really wants is to have his very
own posse.
I mean what's your response to
the kind of support or lack of
support you've
had from Portland?
-A lot of people have
a problem with me just because
they think I'm tryin' to front
or tryin' to fake or tryin' to
be Black or whatever.
Think I'm tryin' to
be something I'm not.
-[man] So you're kind of
like a homeboy without a posse
in a way.
-Yeah pretty much.
-Any young person, especially
any young son of a really
successful wealthy person, it's
a struggle to find an identity,
and Will hasn't
wished to be a great rapper.
But he found his niche and he
went to work for the company
that his dad's invested in.
[record scratches]
-[Tom VO] He
started like everybody started.
You don't need to know anything;
come and sweep the floors,
see if you like it.
Will and I thought the best way
to support Travis is not to tell
anybody that Phil
Knight's his dad.
I don't think anybody
knew for three years.
-To Travis's credit,
he seemed to really,
really love the animation
and took to it right away.
-[man] What are your goals
or plans as far as Travis's
involvement in the company?
-Well they're not my
plans; they're his plans,
that essentially his
plan is to be an animator.
That's what he loves doing.
He doesn't have management
ambition at the present time.
He doesn't even want to be a
director at the present time.
He wants to be an animator,
which he's very good at.
moody ambient music
-[Chris VO] Will's
enthusiasm was the company's
greatest asset and
probably the greatest danger.
Both Tom Turpin and Will Vinton
were just raving and so excited
about what was happening.
And there were all
these dreams and goals,
but they never
seemed to have a plan B.
You know, what are you
gonna do if it doesn't happen?
He's like, "It'll happen."
-When Tom Turpin came in, it
became a very corporate place.
The whole structure -- the
feeling -- was different.
I would say it was a
completely different company.
-The "MBA" approach to CEO is
as all-powerful management,
we know best.
-[man] Why was Mr.
Turpin's contract not renewed?
-Primarily because
of his performance.
As Tom's policies
began to take effect,
we started losing money and
started spending an awful lot
of money.
-[David VO] Tom Turpin
wasn't making great decisions.
A lot of money was being thrown
in a lot of stupid places.
There's the legend of the
million dollar escalator.
They had rented two levels
of an office in an LA to look
impressive as they were
seducing and wooing studios.
Tom had the great idea to put
in an escalator between the two
floors because it would
be a dramatic entrance,
sort of like going up the
escalator to creative heaven at
Will Vinton's
Hollywood swanky pad.
-[man] When was
'The PJs' cancelled?
-It was the early part of 2001.
-What was the name of the
other television series?
-'Gary & Mike.'
-And when did it
cease being on TV?
-I believe it was right
around the same time.
-[Tom VO] TV
shows get cancelled.
These TV shows were like
two-thirds of our revenue --
$10,000,000-a-year projects --
and then if they go away it's
like, "Boom,
$10,000,000 is gone."
-The pilots -- one by one
-- don't get picked up,
and then the feature films
they've been talking about,
none of those come to fruition.
And then everything
started to come apart.
-How would you describe the
financial condition of Will
Vinton Studios during
the spring of 2002?
-It was [clears throat]
struggling, not good.
-[Melissa VO] We have
to support all these people,
and suddenly your
money-making machine stops,
but you're
still spending money,
you're literally bleeding money.
-If it had been Hollywood,
it would have been a totally
different deal, because all of
these guys would have been on
contract -- they would have been
temporary workers -- and the
minute the work went
away, they would be gone.
-Was it in that context that the
company approached Phil Knight
about a possible
additional investment?
-Yes.
-He had an army of really smart
businesspeople putting together
the contracts to
protect his investment.
There were stacks
like this of contracts,
you know, that I
didn't even read,
you know, when we
probably signed up the thing.
-When you want a loan, there's
only one person you need to
see--
[quirky sound effect]
The Brains.
-It was not an
investment I wanted to make.
It was not a good
economic investment,
in my view.
Will Vinton seemed to me to
be trying to commit suicide for
the company.
-He thought that Phil Knight
would be a benign benefactor who
knew the shoe business.
[laughs]
I remember Will saying to
me, "There's no business like
shoe business."
-I was aware of the fact
that if we had a downturn,
that he would be able to
take certain kind of control.
But we'd been
profitable 23 years out of 25,
so what was I worried about?
-Do you remember him telling
you that if he was to make an
additional investment, that he
would drive a very hard bargain?
-[Will] Yes.
-Do you think Mr.
Knight drove a hard bargain?
-Sure, absolutely.
-He was driving a
very hard bargain, correct?
-[Will] That's correct.
Could I get a little
more water, or-- could I?
-[man VO] Phil Knight versus
Will Vinton was sort of like the
great white
shark versus a guppy.
[water bubbles]
-[Melissa VO]
Will must've been somewhat
blindsided, or maybe didn't
understand that Phil Knight
would play hardball with him.
-Were you aware at the time you
signed the employment agreement
that it authorized your
termination without cause?
-Sure.
-Did you have an understanding
what "without cause" meant?
-Um, a basic
understanding, I guess.
-Did you understand that
it meant any reason or no reason
at all?
-[laughs]
-[Will VO] Now we're
into some really heavy-duty
business stuff.
The company's losing money,
and we had a lot of commitments.
-[Tom VO] They were
hemorrhaging money like crazy.
-In business, the best deals
are kind of win-win deals.
That's not the way
they liked to play.
If somebody's winning,
that means you're losing.
-[Jeffrey VO] Phil Knight slowly
started taking possession.
He acquired a lot of it
without Will knowing about it.
Phil Knight soon had a
majority of the stock.
-[man VO] Why were you
interested of taking voting
control of the company?
-I had to get
something for my investment.
If it had just been the
economics of the situation,
I would never have done it.
But I had a son that worked
there that loved the company,
that loved his job, loved
the people he worked with,
had a chance to work with Tim
Burton -- who's probably the
ultimate in terms of
animation, creative,
respect, and talent -- and I
concluded that I would try and
keep the company alive.
Why on earth did you
not just say thank you?
-[man] At this point in time,
had you resigned yourself to the
fact that your days were
numbered at Will Vinton Studios?
-I really couldn't believe
that would be an outcome of
this business.
Nobody in their right mind
would lay off the founder of the
company and the rainmaker
for most of the business,
except somebody who had other
motives and some deep pocket to
back it up and go
somewhere else with it.
It was clear that Phil had made
up his mind that he was going to
take that company.
[clamoring]
-[disembodied voice] Fools!
[people praying]
-[lman] Were you terminated
from your employment at Will
Vinton Studios?
-[sighs] Yes, I was.
-What is the factual basis for
your assertion that Phil Knight
wanted to take control of this
company to turn the company over
to Travis Knight?
-Well, the fact that
Phil requested Travis's
employment way back.
The fact that Travis stayed
a part of the organization,
you know, the Chilly
Tee fiasco happened.
Which I suspect that this was a
little more compatible way to
use money to get
into the business.
Heck, it's hard to imagine
any other motivation,
to be frank.
-[Jeffrey VO] There
are these issues of nepotism.
There are these issues of,
"Did Phil Knight take advantage
of Will?"
dark string music
This collision of Phil Knight
and Will Vinton -- creativity
versus commerce --
they were at odds,
and...
Will came out the
loser of that battle.
-[man] You're aware that
you're entitled to a termination
payment, correct?
-Yes.
-You got the $50,000, correct?
-[Will] That's correct.
-You never got the
$150,000, isn't that right?
-[Will] That's correct.
-And that's because one of those
conditions was that the 'Corpse
Bride' contract be
signed, correct?
-[laughs] Yes.
-Was it only coincidental that
the 'Corpse Bride' contract was
signed the day after Mr.
Vinton's was terminated?
-Yes.
-[Jeffrey VO] He walked
away with $50,000 for a lifetime
of artistic and
creative struggle.
That's ridiculous.
-[Michele VO] There was
no need to do that mean stuff.
They took Claymation, the
name-- they took everything.
They didn't need to do that.
I think that's
really "poor paper,"
as my grandma would say.
-Are you happier today that
you are no longer employed by
that company?
-I absolutely did not
want to leave that company.
-And you have told the public
or people that you are happier
today that you're no
longer employed by the company.
-How could I be happy about
having left the company that I
built, that I am so close to?
It was like a family, and I had
my entire net worth wrapped up
in that company.
I...
My...
Yeah.
-[man] That's all
I have for today!
-[laughs]
"RIP Coyote Condo
#5" by Grandaddy
-He just didn't know
what was happening,
and his studio was just gone.
-[Melissa VO]
The next thing I know,
Vinton Studios
belongs to Travis Knight,
and that between
Travis and his father Phil,
it's Laika.
-[reporter VO] It's the little
studio that could -- Laika --
the CEO of the
company is Travis Knight.
He joins us now
from Portland, Oregon.
-Something just evolved.
It was an opportunity that
came up that I-- you know,
who would think you
could actually make a living
doing this?
It does not seem like
it's a plausible life plan,
but it's
something I always loved.
And when I had the-- when the
opportunity was presented to me,
I took it-- I took, you know,
grabbed it and ran with it.
-[reporter] So was
Laika the opportunity,
or was there another
thing before that?
-No, I was-- I worked at another
animation house before then.
-Travis -- by all accounts -- is
a talented guy and transcended
any sort of talk that this
was all about finding sonny
boy a job.
-[Melissa VO] It's just
sad that Will was able to take
his dream to a certain point
and was not able to go to that
next level.
Somebody else took it there.
-[Tom VO] For Will to
build it up to this point where
it got as big as it
was ever gonna get,
and then ka-blooey,
then lose the thing.
How could he build all this up
and then it gets taken away?
-[Chuck VO] It goes
back to the Disney thing.
It's great that
he had that dream,
but he couldn't do it.
It's sort of this Disney
ghost that haunted him.
-I was all broken up
after he got let go,
and I went to see him at
a little farewell party.
He said, "I just feel relief."
He said, "I've been so worried
about how I'm gonna pay the
bills, how I'm gonna keep
these people employed."
-[Craig VO] We hopped
in his motorboat and zoomed into
Portland up the
Willamette from his house.
I'm like, "Dude, you're cut."
And he's just like, [motorboat
sound] in his motorboat,
and I'm like, "Man, clearly
this guy-- the worst things can
happen to this guy and
he's gonna bounce back."
-[Mary VO] He
was never vengeful.
He was certainly
never self-pitying.
And I remember him taking a
fair amount of responsibility.
He made mistakes; yeah,
he made some bad mistakes.
But the beauty is, when men get
older and they've lost lovers,
friends,
businesses, they get humble,
and then the best
of them comes out,
and the best of what it
means to be a father.
-[Jesse VO] I did
get to see him a lot more.
There was a transformation
emotionally in him.
He knew better than
ever that family was
the most important thing.
-[nurse] Okay, so spell
your last name for me.
-V-I-N-T-O-N.
-[nurse] Spell your first name.
-[laughing]
Seeing if I can spell, or what?
-I gotta do it for the bracelet.
-W-I-L-L-I-A-M.
Actually it bothers me to
see needles on somebody else,
or even my dog.
God, I about passed out
one time when I took my dog
in for something.
[both laugh]
-I was gonna say, this
has never bothered you.
-[nurse VO] How are
you feeling today?
-[Will] Kinda
sluggin' around a little bit.
-[nurse] You have a
transfusion today, right?
-[Will] Uh, tomorrow.
-[nurse] Okay,
any pain today?
-[Will] A little in the back.
-[nurse] Any change in
medications since we saw
you last?
-Maybe dropped the--
I'm a little confused;
I've got a lot of doctors.
-[nurse] Pointer...
So yeah, you
won't be as short
of breath after
that transfusion.
Have you had a
transfusion before?
-Yeah, just-- yeah.
Not that long ago.
-You're-- hang on,
you are a pioneer,
and I'm excited to say that
we're giving you our lifetime
achievement award.
[applause]
-[Will] Thank you everybody.
[applause]
-I think most of you know, Will
Vinton Studios was acquired by
Phil Knight, and subsequently
the name was
changed to Laika.
There are those out there who
think that I should not be very
comfortable with that.
[laughing] So I'm gonna
set the record straight,
um, right here.
The truth is -- you know -- I
couldn't be more pleased that
under such strong
financial leadership,
that Laika has been able to
continue to grow and really
expand on the
world of stop-motion.
-Need a-- need the cigar.
-[Will VO] For me, all of
this activity, I feel like a
proud father, or bastard
father in this filmmaker scene.
-Michele!
-Oh Will, thank you.
-[Will VO] And that's
been a continually gratifying
aspect of this
company that we created.
But what pushes me and gets
me excited are -- frankly -- my
own projects.
See something else come
to life in a new way.
One that I'm extremely excited
about is this musical project
called 'The Kiss.'
I'm not a puppeteer but there's
a lot of time that a frog spends
just sitting there.
And that's one of their
charms is that they're just
sitting there.
And frogs are-- real
frogs, when they move,
they're sudden a lot.
You know, they hop or
they move or something,
and then their backend
is completely still again.
-[Melissa VO] It's an
idea that he was working on when
he was at the studio -- 'The
Frog Prince' -- that he wanted
to do as a feature film.
Now he's metamorphosing that
to now he sees it as a musical.
"Sugar Lips" by David
Pomeranz and Will Vinton
-[Will VO] It's really
about all the things we've been
talking about.
It's about characters and
stories and entertainment,
about music.
It's about comedy.
It's about great conflicts
that characters have to face.
As long as I'm alive, I'm
gonna keep making things.
I just love it.
I don't know what else to do.
It's just great fun.
It's just great, great fun.
[drips]
The condition I have -- it's
multiple myeloma -- is a blood
cancer -- blood and bone.
And I've sort of done in the
past is ignored and not talked
about health issues.
And if you don't talk about
it, people don't pick up on it,
and so a lot of people -- even
good friends -- might not even
know that I have this condition.
If you did
mention it to somebody,
suddenly that was everything.
It's all anybody talked about,
and it's all anybody asked you
about, and so forth.
There are so many more things
I'd rather have them ask me
about, like
how's-- like, you know...
about the lead
character in 'The Kiss...'
you know, how
does he really...[chuckles]
is he really the captain of the
football team who's been
handicapped by being a frog?
I mean, that's fascinating,
that's good stuff to talk about
to me, but...
during a lot of that
time, I forget about it myself.
Can't forget about it now
because I'm kind of into it
intensely with
this new treatment,
so we'll see how that goes.
I've been a regular
for a long time, so...
-I think that Will becoming
very ill with this secret,
internal disease and having a
company that is also sick at the
same time with internal strife,
we don't know if those two
things are related, but
it feels like they are,
doesn't it?
What would it have been like
if he had been able to say,
"I'm scared to death"
or "I'm really angry?"
If I could go back in
time, I'd shake him,
and I'd say, "Tell me know you
really feel about all of this."
-[woman] Bye, Will.
-Bye-bye!
-[woman] Have a great week.
-See you, thanks.
-[woman] You're welcome.
-[Jesse VO] Dying
was very confusing for him.
He would say, "If
only this was easier,
if only I knew
kind of what to do."
[breathes out]
-I'm gonna cry.
I miss him.
He's my friend.
Thank you, Mr. Will...
for everything.
slow synthesizer music
-[Will VO] Everything
I've done is a build.
There's
something that I've built,
one thing on top of the other.
I love being able to feel
like my life is a continuum.
That things that maybe felt like
they might have been missteps
was not at all a misstep.
-[Michele VO] Will
was an amalgam of all
of his characters.
It's almost as though you took
all that clay and you squished
it back together in a
big multicolored ball,
you'd have Will with his big
white mustache and his smile and
his blue eyes.
His work -- every time
someone discovers it --
that pure childhood glee
and knowing that there's magic.
There absolutely is magic.
-[Will VO] One of the
coolest things about being an
artist is the thought that you
can create some of these things
and it can go on and
live way beyond you.
It's all such an intense web of
human life and human existence.
[fire crackles]
[chimes glisten]
"Dazed Inn
Daydreams" by Ariel Pink