After the Runway (2011) s01e01 Episode Script
Project Drama
Tonight on After the Runway It's almost unfair how that was treated.
We don't know if you would have gotten to that particular place if other people hadn't helped you.
If I was any of you, I would be pissed.
Does it make you feel better to come here and bully me by asking me those types of questions? I mean, you are, like, twice my age.
And, like, the fact that you undermine my emotions towards my mother pisses me off at you, Laura Welcome to the very first After the Runway show.
Project Drama I'm your host, Zanna Roberts Rassi.
This is where we'll be dishing with the designers about all that happened on tonight's Project Runway, both on and off screen.
Hi, everyone.
Hi.
How are we doing? Good.
How are you? Excellent.
What an episode.
Oh, my God.
Cockroaches.
Yeah.
Crazy birds.
Seriously.
And then you were head to head $20,000.
Right.
And the advertorial in Marie Claire.
That's pretty steep.
How do we feel about it? For me, was major.
I mean it's $20,000.
You could start your own line.
You could do your own thing.
So it was kind of disappointing, I guess, for me.
Can you tell me about this finger situation? The sewing machine went straight through my finger, and I was It was over for me.
Ow, you son of--aah.
I sawed through my finger.
And so I was upset, and I was just trying to have a moment, and I couldn't get my own moment.
You did impress the judges.
Very much so.
Thank you.
Some of you less so.
Bert.
Oh, you looking at me? What happened? That bird did not speak to me at all.
Right.
When I walked out there and I saw our judge, I just--my heart sank.
Francisco Costa.
Yes, yeah.
When I saw him, I thought, "he's not gonna get it.
" And, again, we worked so fast.
I mean, it was one look, then it's a second look, you know, and all these other things are going on.
All the other things going on.
Now, so before we got to this happy family unit I see here, things weren't quite so harmonious.
Let's take a look at some of your finer moments.
Every time I say something, somebody laughs or something.
So, you know, I don't need that.
Bert, you're always the last one.
There's Bert, just waiting to annoy the crap out of me.
I'm glad I've got immunity.
Doo-dah, doo-dah.
Bert's always mumbling things underneath his breath.
That means you're on this team, Bert.
That's the bad news.
Did you say "that sucks"? No.
No? I'm hearing things.
See, no one knows what you're saying when you say it.
Yeah.
You don't let me talk.
No, 'cause you're getting confused.
No, it's not a question.
It's kind of difficult to make sense with somebody who's crazy.
Where does it say on this machine that you're using it? Drop dead.
Watch your language with me, please.
Drop dead? Yeah, just go away.
Self-centered prick.
Okay.
Wow.
You all cut this one up, didn't you? All right, so I want to hear from you guys.
Viktor, how did all this come about? Um, I think, in the beginning, Bert was very much focused on dealing with young people, I feel, but I think Bert definitely says it how it is and how he wants it to be, and there's no sugar coating it, so he really frustrated me.
How did you feel about, you know, all these arguments, and being thrown into this pit? I sort of got the feeling after a couple of days that these people are thinking, like, "this guy's old enough to be my mom or my father's friend.
It's weird.
" It's, like, "why doesn't he go away?" Shouldn't he have gone to bed earlier or something? Yeah, and it's like, "why is he still here?" You know, and I, like what Viktor said, I don't try to play two faces.
I say what I feel.
But it--it was, you know, it's been an eye-opening experience.
This is a very short schedule that we film on.
It's true.
And I really think, you know, instead of fighting with him, love him, because I think he has a lot to give and share and teach people, regarding design specifically.
See, it's like teen therapy, around here isn't it? "Project therapy," we'll re-call it.
Did you ever think that those boxer shorts would get you to your first victory? No.
You have great taste in underwear.
What color do you have on now? Gray.
But you're still wearing boxers.
No, not boxers.
Whoo! T.
M.
I.
Little eyes are lighting up over here.
Joshua, the challenge we just watched, you created a really great gown.
It was beautiful.
Thank you.
Um, but you were really, really upset about that, and not particularly gracious with Anya.
Did--was it more about the fact that you'd lost the $20,000? Kind of.
I mean, that, for me, you know, I'm--I--I'm struggling in New York right now.
Like, bills haven't been paid.
And they're--they're--I don't see where they will get paid at this point.
It's hard for me to talk about.
I mean, it's, you know, it's difficult to live there.
It is.
Gosh, I know, yeah.
You know, like, Kimberly, like, you touched me in that last one, where you, you know losing people and everything, and having to be there for yourself, it's--it's hard.
It's hard to get that support behind you.
You know? I think this show's gonna help you get that support behind you.
You know, it wasn't the win that would have meant something, or the validation that it was such a pretty dress.
It was almost like, "give her the win.
Can I get--can I have the money?" You know, at that point.
I'm, like We left our lives to come do something fantastic, you know, and I left stability for a risk, and I'm a risk taker, and that's why I've done the show, and I think everything that will come from it will be beautiful.
You know, Anya didn't help you out, and you've helped her quite a few times in the past from slipping to the bottom.
How did you feel about the fact she wouldn't lend you any fabric? I think she was valid when she said, you know, "you shouldn't--it--it shouldn't even be a question that's being asked," but what I posed to that is then we should never be able to Help each other out.
I kind of love it when you help each other out.
It's no nice as a viewer to be like, "oh, look, they really do get on.
" But people are gonna see that, and, you know She wouldn't even have had a garment for, uh, the Piperlime challenge if it wasn't for Anthony lending money, so It's, like, you know, I thought--I thought at that point, you know, it was like, pat your friend on the back.
Your friend might be able to help you in a time of need, and I was very stressed at the moment.
I was like, "do you have any fabric with structure?" And then it became a "no" answer, you know? Yeah, at the moment you were super mad, right? Well, it's a good thing she didn't, 'cause what you made was perfect.
It was beautiful.
But that what I'm saying.
It turned out, and it-- you know, you trouble shoot.
That's what happened with me on the, um, sugar dog Um Sheepdogs.
Sheepdogs, yes.
She gave me the fabric, and then it was like, "oh, why did I help her?" You know, and that was just a bit hard for me to swallow, seeing as how everybody had--a lot of people had given her help along the way.
I think this is a conversation that you all should be having with Anya herself.
When we come back, Anya will be here with us, and you'll get to listen to her side of the story.
Welcome back, everyone, to the first ever After the Runway show.
Okay, let's bring Anya out.
Hey, how are you? Come on in.
Come have a seat.
So, you guys, we're gonna get straight into this.
Tell me what was going on with you two tonight.
What was all this fabric sharing, not fabric sharing? Anya? Do you have any fabric I can borrow? I just don't even think it's the right thing to be asking.
It's one thing to be doing it-- few challenges ago, but not now.
Anya, tell me.
Some of it was a bit news to me that it was, like, such an issue, you know? You know I think you made a valid point when you were like, "at this stage you shouldn't be asking for help or fabric," but, like, then, you know, there should be something about no one ever having help along any of the journey.
He did help you out at the beginning.
Why did you not want to help him out in this situation? Well, I think it's a little bit unfair to say that--I mean, we helped each other all the way through.
The thing is is that giving fabric is a more tangible form of help, whereas, like, giving advice, for instance, is a less tangible form of help.
Understand, but, like, with my education, that's over $100,000 worth of education I paid for to give you that less-tangible help.
So I understand that, but it was something that I spent money on to go learn.
Do you feel like you should have won that, Josh? I--I--like I said earlier, I would have liked to.
It's so subjective.
It re--you know, and at this point, it--it's like-- Stand up for your work, though.
No, I--but at this point, it's, like, you know, you go up there with a great dress, and then all that's focused on is a damn corsage.
It's like Which we're still focusing on.
You know? And that's what I'm saying.
It's, like, you know, it's just--it's--it's to a point where you're like "Okay, move forward.
" Yeah.
Well, you showed a true competitive side, I feel.
What really brought that out of you at this point in the game? I think I did realize particularly with this challenge that we were pitted against each other.
Right.
And it kept coming up in conversation over and over again.
And, to be honest, two--the challenge right--two challenges before, and lending fabric to Kim, and it kind of, like--it just kind of shocked me into the reality of where we were.
Well, I borrowed this fabric.
We have an opposing team member loaning to you? Yes.
She was very nice.
What if she wins because I gave it to her? Oh, my God.
What have I done? But I guess I felt a little bit I don't know, a little bit taken aback that you felt like, "Oh, my goodness, why did I help her?" Just like what Josh was saying.
It was like, you know, people have--had helped you, and, for me, I was really, like, almost hurt, because I was like, "wow, why would she be like, "oh, you shouldn't have helped me.
" You're saying it's not tangible, the stuff that he-- but Laura helped you tangibly in, you know, sewing stuff and things like that, so, for me, it was a bit--I was a bit taken back that you felt like you should not have helped me in that situation where we don't know if you would have gotten to that particular place if other people hadn't helped you, and I just thought that that was very, um I thought it was unfortunate that, you know, you felt that way, and I didn't know it personally.
Maybe on that note it's time that we should do a little segment called Clearing the Air.
Basically, you can pull out anything you want on the table that you want cleared up.
Okay, I'm gonna start something that I want cleared up personally.
Viktor, you accused Kimberly of copying off you.
And then, obviously Joshua couple of weeks before that.
Mm-hmm.
Did you ever speak to them directly about this? No, I didn't.
Why not? Well Hold me back.
Hold me back.
No weapon--he's got a pot next to him, though.
I'm not scared, ladies.
Okay? I--I remember, um, Kimberly told me about Joshua's pleat that he was doing, similar to mine.
You guys, hold on.
It was a very specific back-pleat, though.
A pleat.
Like your inverted pleat here.
Why--why? It's become popular.
Josh is definitely copying some of my elements.
He has the pleat in the back of his shirt similar to mine.
Like, really? That wasn't even the first case of Viktor feeling plagiarized.
Listen, we are all--we're just reinventing a wheel that's already been done before.
No one is really doing something that's-- That is totally The only influence we had were each other.
Let's face it.
I mean, you're not the first person to invent the asymmetry.
Your dress was ruched, and with the feathers going.
Mine was a to--just, like, a That was in the same challenge.
If it would have been, like, three challenges before, three challenges after, it would have made sense, but in that same challenge, we both had the same silhouette that's what I was speaking about.
It wasn't about me Well, it was similar.
It was very similar.
Just in that particular challenge, we both did it at the same time, because-- well, why did you bring it up when they were in the room? Why am I even gonna go with him? It's gonna go nowhere.
We're in a competition.
It's time sensitive.
Your choice is do I spend time in a conversation about stuff, or do I get my stuff done? Yeah.
It's one or the other.
Right, which is where I was with the dress.
It's, like, I have three hours.
I don't ha--I'm using lining, mind you, which I used down to the "T," and I didn't have enough to make two shoulders, so it was just one.
Well, Viktor, anything else you want to put on the table and get cleared up? Well I mean, this is not directed to you in a--as a person, but I think, from the beginning, Anya was definitely more exposed.
And not only that, but, like, even the judges.
I felt like they gave you so much slack because you didn't sew I mean, you sewed for four months.
They were just amazed about it, instead of looking at the design, I feel.
When I--like, if we both would have made the same pants, to me, they would have been like, "they're just pants.
They're pants.
There's nothing into it.
" If you would have made them, they would have been like, "oh, my gosh.
You made in them in four months.
" Like, I mean, not in four months.
She made that within four months of knowing how to sew, so it's almost unfair how that was treated throughout up to now.
I think it's very fair.
I mean, watching this episode, I felt like, you know, if I was any of you, I would be pissed, you know? I guess all I can say is that sometimes it may not be logical, but my own blood, sweat, and tears went into this, and it just doesn't add up in the same logical way, and I guess that's, in my own heart, where I feel comfortable with it, you know? Well I think we've cleared that up.
Um, when we come back, we have a very special guest who wants to get to the bottom of a few things.
Don't go away.
Oh, is it Paris Hilton? Oh, God, they're funny.
Welcome back, everyone.
Tonight we are talking with the five fabulous designers in our very first After the Runway show.
Okay, now we have a very special guest who has some questions of her own that she would like answered.
She's walked in these designers' shoes, literally, and she's also one tough cookie.
In fact, I'm more scared of her than I am of Nina, Michael, and Heidi put together.
Please welcome Project Runway season three finalist Laura Bennett.
Whoo! Hello.
How are you? So who were you expecting? Welcome.
So, Laura, you've been obviously watching the show, and you've been blogging about it as well.
I'm curious to know what you think of the designers that we have here.
Because there was so much drama and misbehavior, I do definitely have some questions that I'd like to ask about.
So, Bert, I have a question for you.
I just want you to know that I was signed up to be your biggest fan from the get go.
Mm-hmm.
And I think I married and divorced you about five times.
During the season for different reasons.
But I was always wowed when they showed a sketch that you did.
I'm just--you know We don't get to see that as much, you know? But then I didn't always feel like what--the garment that you produced Mm-hmm.
Lived up to the sketch.
Mm-hmm.
Do you feel like you have trouble, maybe, translating from paper to fabric sometimes? Well, I think in real life, when you're doing something, you don't produce a garment that's gonna be worn by anybody with half--basically a half fitting.
And you need time.
You need more than one fitting.
You need to be able to step back and--"okay, this is wrong.
Start over.
" We don't have that opportunity.
Right.
You know, it's, like, boom, Tim comes in the room, and you, like, just run around and hide, you know? It's funny she points it out, because his sketches are amazing.
It's like on 7th Ave, when you see Halston sketches.
That's right.
On the sidewalk.
They're beautiful.
Yeah.
I want to talk to Kimberly.
Kimberly, I see you as sort of the tortoise this evening.
Sort of the slow and steady wins the race.
You know, you're obviously not in the bottom, so there's--the judges have no problem with your aesthetic and your taste level and your fabric choices, but yet you're not winning the damn challenges.
How do--you know, how did you take that? Uh, it is very frustrating.
I was feeling like the judges weren't really feeling me, and seeing, you know, what I was trying to say, and, you know And so, like, okay, I have to take a risk one way or another.
Either, you know I know.
Say something.
Just say something.
Let me just get in front of you and say something, good, bad, or indifferent.
You know, so that's--that's where I am at this point now, so i was, like, "okay, I need to take risks.
Risks, risks, risks.
" Good for you.
Joshua.
My--my dear Joshua.
So you were by far the worst- behaved designer of the season.
You sort of developed this pattern of smack-talking other people's talent, trying to pull yourself back and apologizing them--to them.
I didn't do that really.
I'm asking you if this is how it's gonna be for the next two days, because I will not have it, Bert.
Becky, if you're tired, take a nap, 'cause I don't have time for it.
I'll do it myself.
I am a mess right now.
Are you speaking about Becky in specific? I'm speaking about a lot of designers.
I mean See, but then I need names at that point Every episode became about you arguing with people, you crying in the confessionals, you apologizing and then slamming the person, you know, ten minutes later.
So my question to you is are you embarrassed at all? I thank you for coming here today, but I'm not gonna answer your question.
Thank you, Laura.
Well, I could say something, because, you know, I know Josh on a personal level.
Like, we--we have to go through a lot as being gay, him being young, and I know he struggled a lot in his life because of that.
Right.
So he's not gonna put up with anybody, and I--I'm not saying that everything he does is absolutely right.
But I didn't see that behavior in your or in Bert.
Some of your tactics are bullying.
It's almost like--I mean, I think I'm the one that stood up to you, whereas Becky was, like, you know, an easy target for you, and I think that's probably what she's talking about.
It's a valid question, but does it make you feel better to come here and bully me by asking me those types of questions? I mean, you are, like, twice my age.
Well, you know, like I said, I'm not just asking this question on my behalf.
It's many viewers that saw things exactly the way I see them.
Well, and the other-- i actually only read your blog, and it did hurt my feelings, so then I read nothing.
So now I can't even know what other people are saying, so I can defend myself.
Because of the challenge after I cried, I read your blog and I went out Sunday night, and I was so depressed the whole time.
Because you have hurtful things to say.
You're an amazing Internet assassin, and I love it, but you know what? It's hurtful.
And, like, the fact that you undermine my emotions towards my mother pisses me off at you, Laura.
No, I'm just asking you if you understand how we see it as viewers.
I can see how you see it.
But for you to come here and, like, confront me with that isn't nice either.
Yeah, but the way you treated designers all season wasn't nice.
Why is okay for you to attack people, and yet-- Well, then you be the attacker right now, Laura, and you come for me.
You know what? I'm not Sit there in your Chanel suit and, like, come for me, then, if that's how it's gonna be.
I'm speaking not just how I feel.
I can assure you that there are viewers I am sure that people feel that way as well.
He's so misbehaved.
That's the way it was, Laura.
They're tuning in, right? They're tuning in to see it.
You're the only one that has school debts.
You're the only one that has a And I'm the only one with that education, that four-year education, Laura.
And Bert as well.
So you're the only one that has negative money in your account, therefore you should win for a draped dress, right after you smack Anya for not doing tailoring and only doing draped dresses? I mean, come on.
I'm just Laura, you have favorites, and you're being biased right now.
And you're actually not even here to be mature towards me.
You came here to be polite to all of them and do this so this would happen.
Well, you know-- So I go home to New York and applaud yourself.
And I hope that we don't run into each other in New York, because it will not be a pleasant meeting.
Josh, I don't think she came here to be--I don't think she came here to be hurtful in any way.
I just think she came here to ask the questions that other people are probably asking.
And it's all out on the table.
We've had the discussion, and I think we should all kiss and make up.
Hug, maybe, and make up.
Thank you so much for all joining us on our very first After the Runway.
Laura, a special thanks to you.
And I really--I wish you all the best.
Thank you.
You're almost there.
And Anya, Joshua, Viktor, Kimberly, Bert, thank you so much for coming.
Tune in next week for Project Runway.
Cheerio.
Whoo! Next time on Project Runway We're down to our final challenge.
Oh, [bleep.]
, this is it.
Welcome to governor's island.
Ah! You will be creating three looks.
You will be choosing an assistant.
Aah! Oh, my God! Look at you people.
What's the statue of liberty doing here? I just had $20,000 swept away from me by a beauty queen.
It just kills me.
You seem very nervous today.
I've been knowing I wanted to be a designer since I was eight.
To choke now is just a shame.
I'm not upset by anything that you guys are saying.
Are you giving your goodbyes? Is that an assumption?
We don't know if you would have gotten to that particular place if other people hadn't helped you.
If I was any of you, I would be pissed.
Does it make you feel better to come here and bully me by asking me those types of questions? I mean, you are, like, twice my age.
And, like, the fact that you undermine my emotions towards my mother pisses me off at you, Laura Welcome to the very first After the Runway show.
Project Drama I'm your host, Zanna Roberts Rassi.
This is where we'll be dishing with the designers about all that happened on tonight's Project Runway, both on and off screen.
Hi, everyone.
Hi.
How are we doing? Good.
How are you? Excellent.
What an episode.
Oh, my God.
Cockroaches.
Yeah.
Crazy birds.
Seriously.
And then you were head to head $20,000.
Right.
And the advertorial in Marie Claire.
That's pretty steep.
How do we feel about it? For me, was major.
I mean it's $20,000.
You could start your own line.
You could do your own thing.
So it was kind of disappointing, I guess, for me.
Can you tell me about this finger situation? The sewing machine went straight through my finger, and I was It was over for me.
Ow, you son of--aah.
I sawed through my finger.
And so I was upset, and I was just trying to have a moment, and I couldn't get my own moment.
You did impress the judges.
Very much so.
Thank you.
Some of you less so.
Bert.
Oh, you looking at me? What happened? That bird did not speak to me at all.
Right.
When I walked out there and I saw our judge, I just--my heart sank.
Francisco Costa.
Yes, yeah.
When I saw him, I thought, "he's not gonna get it.
" And, again, we worked so fast.
I mean, it was one look, then it's a second look, you know, and all these other things are going on.
All the other things going on.
Now, so before we got to this happy family unit I see here, things weren't quite so harmonious.
Let's take a look at some of your finer moments.
Every time I say something, somebody laughs or something.
So, you know, I don't need that.
Bert, you're always the last one.
There's Bert, just waiting to annoy the crap out of me.
I'm glad I've got immunity.
Doo-dah, doo-dah.
Bert's always mumbling things underneath his breath.
That means you're on this team, Bert.
That's the bad news.
Did you say "that sucks"? No.
No? I'm hearing things.
See, no one knows what you're saying when you say it.
Yeah.
You don't let me talk.
No, 'cause you're getting confused.
No, it's not a question.
It's kind of difficult to make sense with somebody who's crazy.
Where does it say on this machine that you're using it? Drop dead.
Watch your language with me, please.
Drop dead? Yeah, just go away.
Self-centered prick.
Okay.
Wow.
You all cut this one up, didn't you? All right, so I want to hear from you guys.
Viktor, how did all this come about? Um, I think, in the beginning, Bert was very much focused on dealing with young people, I feel, but I think Bert definitely says it how it is and how he wants it to be, and there's no sugar coating it, so he really frustrated me.
How did you feel about, you know, all these arguments, and being thrown into this pit? I sort of got the feeling after a couple of days that these people are thinking, like, "this guy's old enough to be my mom or my father's friend.
It's weird.
" It's, like, "why doesn't he go away?" Shouldn't he have gone to bed earlier or something? Yeah, and it's like, "why is he still here?" You know, and I, like what Viktor said, I don't try to play two faces.
I say what I feel.
But it--it was, you know, it's been an eye-opening experience.
This is a very short schedule that we film on.
It's true.
And I really think, you know, instead of fighting with him, love him, because I think he has a lot to give and share and teach people, regarding design specifically.
See, it's like teen therapy, around here isn't it? "Project therapy," we'll re-call it.
Did you ever think that those boxer shorts would get you to your first victory? No.
You have great taste in underwear.
What color do you have on now? Gray.
But you're still wearing boxers.
No, not boxers.
Whoo! T.
M.
I.
Little eyes are lighting up over here.
Joshua, the challenge we just watched, you created a really great gown.
It was beautiful.
Thank you.
Um, but you were really, really upset about that, and not particularly gracious with Anya.
Did--was it more about the fact that you'd lost the $20,000? Kind of.
I mean, that, for me, you know, I'm--I--I'm struggling in New York right now.
Like, bills haven't been paid.
And they're--they're--I don't see where they will get paid at this point.
It's hard for me to talk about.
I mean, it's, you know, it's difficult to live there.
It is.
Gosh, I know, yeah.
You know, like, Kimberly, like, you touched me in that last one, where you, you know losing people and everything, and having to be there for yourself, it's--it's hard.
It's hard to get that support behind you.
You know? I think this show's gonna help you get that support behind you.
You know, it wasn't the win that would have meant something, or the validation that it was such a pretty dress.
It was almost like, "give her the win.
Can I get--can I have the money?" You know, at that point.
I'm, like We left our lives to come do something fantastic, you know, and I left stability for a risk, and I'm a risk taker, and that's why I've done the show, and I think everything that will come from it will be beautiful.
You know, Anya didn't help you out, and you've helped her quite a few times in the past from slipping to the bottom.
How did you feel about the fact she wouldn't lend you any fabric? I think she was valid when she said, you know, "you shouldn't--it--it shouldn't even be a question that's being asked," but what I posed to that is then we should never be able to Help each other out.
I kind of love it when you help each other out.
It's no nice as a viewer to be like, "oh, look, they really do get on.
" But people are gonna see that, and, you know She wouldn't even have had a garment for, uh, the Piperlime challenge if it wasn't for Anthony lending money, so It's, like, you know, I thought--I thought at that point, you know, it was like, pat your friend on the back.
Your friend might be able to help you in a time of need, and I was very stressed at the moment.
I was like, "do you have any fabric with structure?" And then it became a "no" answer, you know? Yeah, at the moment you were super mad, right? Well, it's a good thing she didn't, 'cause what you made was perfect.
It was beautiful.
But that what I'm saying.
It turned out, and it-- you know, you trouble shoot.
That's what happened with me on the, um, sugar dog Um Sheepdogs.
Sheepdogs, yes.
She gave me the fabric, and then it was like, "oh, why did I help her?" You know, and that was just a bit hard for me to swallow, seeing as how everybody had--a lot of people had given her help along the way.
I think this is a conversation that you all should be having with Anya herself.
When we come back, Anya will be here with us, and you'll get to listen to her side of the story.
Welcome back, everyone, to the first ever After the Runway show.
Okay, let's bring Anya out.
Hey, how are you? Come on in.
Come have a seat.
So, you guys, we're gonna get straight into this.
Tell me what was going on with you two tonight.
What was all this fabric sharing, not fabric sharing? Anya? Do you have any fabric I can borrow? I just don't even think it's the right thing to be asking.
It's one thing to be doing it-- few challenges ago, but not now.
Anya, tell me.
Some of it was a bit news to me that it was, like, such an issue, you know? You know I think you made a valid point when you were like, "at this stage you shouldn't be asking for help or fabric," but, like, then, you know, there should be something about no one ever having help along any of the journey.
He did help you out at the beginning.
Why did you not want to help him out in this situation? Well, I think it's a little bit unfair to say that--I mean, we helped each other all the way through.
The thing is is that giving fabric is a more tangible form of help, whereas, like, giving advice, for instance, is a less tangible form of help.
Understand, but, like, with my education, that's over $100,000 worth of education I paid for to give you that less-tangible help.
So I understand that, but it was something that I spent money on to go learn.
Do you feel like you should have won that, Josh? I--I--like I said earlier, I would have liked to.
It's so subjective.
It re--you know, and at this point, it--it's like-- Stand up for your work, though.
No, I--but at this point, it's, like, you know, you go up there with a great dress, and then all that's focused on is a damn corsage.
It's like Which we're still focusing on.
You know? And that's what I'm saying.
It's, like, you know, it's just--it's--it's to a point where you're like "Okay, move forward.
" Yeah.
Well, you showed a true competitive side, I feel.
What really brought that out of you at this point in the game? I think I did realize particularly with this challenge that we were pitted against each other.
Right.
And it kept coming up in conversation over and over again.
And, to be honest, two--the challenge right--two challenges before, and lending fabric to Kim, and it kind of, like--it just kind of shocked me into the reality of where we were.
Well, I borrowed this fabric.
We have an opposing team member loaning to you? Yes.
She was very nice.
What if she wins because I gave it to her? Oh, my God.
What have I done? But I guess I felt a little bit I don't know, a little bit taken aback that you felt like, "Oh, my goodness, why did I help her?" Just like what Josh was saying.
It was like, you know, people have--had helped you, and, for me, I was really, like, almost hurt, because I was like, "wow, why would she be like, "oh, you shouldn't have helped me.
" You're saying it's not tangible, the stuff that he-- but Laura helped you tangibly in, you know, sewing stuff and things like that, so, for me, it was a bit--I was a bit taken back that you felt like you should not have helped me in that situation where we don't know if you would have gotten to that particular place if other people hadn't helped you, and I just thought that that was very, um I thought it was unfortunate that, you know, you felt that way, and I didn't know it personally.
Maybe on that note it's time that we should do a little segment called Clearing the Air.
Basically, you can pull out anything you want on the table that you want cleared up.
Okay, I'm gonna start something that I want cleared up personally.
Viktor, you accused Kimberly of copying off you.
And then, obviously Joshua couple of weeks before that.
Mm-hmm.
Did you ever speak to them directly about this? No, I didn't.
Why not? Well Hold me back.
Hold me back.
No weapon--he's got a pot next to him, though.
I'm not scared, ladies.
Okay? I--I remember, um, Kimberly told me about Joshua's pleat that he was doing, similar to mine.
You guys, hold on.
It was a very specific back-pleat, though.
A pleat.
Like your inverted pleat here.
Why--why? It's become popular.
Josh is definitely copying some of my elements.
He has the pleat in the back of his shirt similar to mine.
Like, really? That wasn't even the first case of Viktor feeling plagiarized.
Listen, we are all--we're just reinventing a wheel that's already been done before.
No one is really doing something that's-- That is totally The only influence we had were each other.
Let's face it.
I mean, you're not the first person to invent the asymmetry.
Your dress was ruched, and with the feathers going.
Mine was a to--just, like, a That was in the same challenge.
If it would have been, like, three challenges before, three challenges after, it would have made sense, but in that same challenge, we both had the same silhouette that's what I was speaking about.
It wasn't about me Well, it was similar.
It was very similar.
Just in that particular challenge, we both did it at the same time, because-- well, why did you bring it up when they were in the room? Why am I even gonna go with him? It's gonna go nowhere.
We're in a competition.
It's time sensitive.
Your choice is do I spend time in a conversation about stuff, or do I get my stuff done? Yeah.
It's one or the other.
Right, which is where I was with the dress.
It's, like, I have three hours.
I don't ha--I'm using lining, mind you, which I used down to the "T," and I didn't have enough to make two shoulders, so it was just one.
Well, Viktor, anything else you want to put on the table and get cleared up? Well I mean, this is not directed to you in a--as a person, but I think, from the beginning, Anya was definitely more exposed.
And not only that, but, like, even the judges.
I felt like they gave you so much slack because you didn't sew I mean, you sewed for four months.
They were just amazed about it, instead of looking at the design, I feel.
When I--like, if we both would have made the same pants, to me, they would have been like, "they're just pants.
They're pants.
There's nothing into it.
" If you would have made them, they would have been like, "oh, my gosh.
You made in them in four months.
" Like, I mean, not in four months.
She made that within four months of knowing how to sew, so it's almost unfair how that was treated throughout up to now.
I think it's very fair.
I mean, watching this episode, I felt like, you know, if I was any of you, I would be pissed, you know? I guess all I can say is that sometimes it may not be logical, but my own blood, sweat, and tears went into this, and it just doesn't add up in the same logical way, and I guess that's, in my own heart, where I feel comfortable with it, you know? Well I think we've cleared that up.
Um, when we come back, we have a very special guest who wants to get to the bottom of a few things.
Don't go away.
Oh, is it Paris Hilton? Oh, God, they're funny.
Welcome back, everyone.
Tonight we are talking with the five fabulous designers in our very first After the Runway show.
Okay, now we have a very special guest who has some questions of her own that she would like answered.
She's walked in these designers' shoes, literally, and she's also one tough cookie.
In fact, I'm more scared of her than I am of Nina, Michael, and Heidi put together.
Please welcome Project Runway season three finalist Laura Bennett.
Whoo! Hello.
How are you? So who were you expecting? Welcome.
So, Laura, you've been obviously watching the show, and you've been blogging about it as well.
I'm curious to know what you think of the designers that we have here.
Because there was so much drama and misbehavior, I do definitely have some questions that I'd like to ask about.
So, Bert, I have a question for you.
I just want you to know that I was signed up to be your biggest fan from the get go.
Mm-hmm.
And I think I married and divorced you about five times.
During the season for different reasons.
But I was always wowed when they showed a sketch that you did.
I'm just--you know We don't get to see that as much, you know? But then I didn't always feel like what--the garment that you produced Mm-hmm.
Lived up to the sketch.
Mm-hmm.
Do you feel like you have trouble, maybe, translating from paper to fabric sometimes? Well, I think in real life, when you're doing something, you don't produce a garment that's gonna be worn by anybody with half--basically a half fitting.
And you need time.
You need more than one fitting.
You need to be able to step back and--"okay, this is wrong.
Start over.
" We don't have that opportunity.
Right.
You know, it's, like, boom, Tim comes in the room, and you, like, just run around and hide, you know? It's funny she points it out, because his sketches are amazing.
It's like on 7th Ave, when you see Halston sketches.
That's right.
On the sidewalk.
They're beautiful.
Yeah.
I want to talk to Kimberly.
Kimberly, I see you as sort of the tortoise this evening.
Sort of the slow and steady wins the race.
You know, you're obviously not in the bottom, so there's--the judges have no problem with your aesthetic and your taste level and your fabric choices, but yet you're not winning the damn challenges.
How do--you know, how did you take that? Uh, it is very frustrating.
I was feeling like the judges weren't really feeling me, and seeing, you know, what I was trying to say, and, you know And so, like, okay, I have to take a risk one way or another.
Either, you know I know.
Say something.
Just say something.
Let me just get in front of you and say something, good, bad, or indifferent.
You know, so that's--that's where I am at this point now, so i was, like, "okay, I need to take risks.
Risks, risks, risks.
" Good for you.
Joshua.
My--my dear Joshua.
So you were by far the worst- behaved designer of the season.
You sort of developed this pattern of smack-talking other people's talent, trying to pull yourself back and apologizing them--to them.
I didn't do that really.
I'm asking you if this is how it's gonna be for the next two days, because I will not have it, Bert.
Becky, if you're tired, take a nap, 'cause I don't have time for it.
I'll do it myself.
I am a mess right now.
Are you speaking about Becky in specific? I'm speaking about a lot of designers.
I mean See, but then I need names at that point Every episode became about you arguing with people, you crying in the confessionals, you apologizing and then slamming the person, you know, ten minutes later.
So my question to you is are you embarrassed at all? I thank you for coming here today, but I'm not gonna answer your question.
Thank you, Laura.
Well, I could say something, because, you know, I know Josh on a personal level.
Like, we--we have to go through a lot as being gay, him being young, and I know he struggled a lot in his life because of that.
Right.
So he's not gonna put up with anybody, and I--I'm not saying that everything he does is absolutely right.
But I didn't see that behavior in your or in Bert.
Some of your tactics are bullying.
It's almost like--I mean, I think I'm the one that stood up to you, whereas Becky was, like, you know, an easy target for you, and I think that's probably what she's talking about.
It's a valid question, but does it make you feel better to come here and bully me by asking me those types of questions? I mean, you are, like, twice my age.
Well, you know, like I said, I'm not just asking this question on my behalf.
It's many viewers that saw things exactly the way I see them.
Well, and the other-- i actually only read your blog, and it did hurt my feelings, so then I read nothing.
So now I can't even know what other people are saying, so I can defend myself.
Because of the challenge after I cried, I read your blog and I went out Sunday night, and I was so depressed the whole time.
Because you have hurtful things to say.
You're an amazing Internet assassin, and I love it, but you know what? It's hurtful.
And, like, the fact that you undermine my emotions towards my mother pisses me off at you, Laura.
No, I'm just asking you if you understand how we see it as viewers.
I can see how you see it.
But for you to come here and, like, confront me with that isn't nice either.
Yeah, but the way you treated designers all season wasn't nice.
Why is okay for you to attack people, and yet-- Well, then you be the attacker right now, Laura, and you come for me.
You know what? I'm not Sit there in your Chanel suit and, like, come for me, then, if that's how it's gonna be.
I'm speaking not just how I feel.
I can assure you that there are viewers I am sure that people feel that way as well.
He's so misbehaved.
That's the way it was, Laura.
They're tuning in, right? They're tuning in to see it.
You're the only one that has school debts.
You're the only one that has a And I'm the only one with that education, that four-year education, Laura.
And Bert as well.
So you're the only one that has negative money in your account, therefore you should win for a draped dress, right after you smack Anya for not doing tailoring and only doing draped dresses? I mean, come on.
I'm just Laura, you have favorites, and you're being biased right now.
And you're actually not even here to be mature towards me.
You came here to be polite to all of them and do this so this would happen.
Well, you know-- So I go home to New York and applaud yourself.
And I hope that we don't run into each other in New York, because it will not be a pleasant meeting.
Josh, I don't think she came here to be--I don't think she came here to be hurtful in any way.
I just think she came here to ask the questions that other people are probably asking.
And it's all out on the table.
We've had the discussion, and I think we should all kiss and make up.
Hug, maybe, and make up.
Thank you so much for all joining us on our very first After the Runway.
Laura, a special thanks to you.
And I really--I wish you all the best.
Thank you.
You're almost there.
And Anya, Joshua, Viktor, Kimberly, Bert, thank you so much for coming.
Tune in next week for Project Runway.
Cheerio.
Whoo! Next time on Project Runway We're down to our final challenge.
Oh, [bleep.]
, this is it.
Welcome to governor's island.
Ah! You will be creating three looks.
You will be choosing an assistant.
Aah! Oh, my God! Look at you people.
What's the statue of liberty doing here? I just had $20,000 swept away from me by a beauty queen.
It just kills me.
You seem very nervous today.
I've been knowing I wanted to be a designer since I was eight.
To choke now is just a shame.
I'm not upset by anything that you guys are saying.
Are you giving your goodbyes? Is that an assumption?