Appropriate Adult (2011) s01e01 Episode Script
Episode 1
That's not fair.
Come on.
You said yesterday.
That's not my fault.
- Come on you lot, chop chop.
- Chop chop! Chop chop! Anyone seen my overalls? There's some clean ones in the back, love.
Oh, thanks.
Andy, Josh, it's ten past.
(TRAFFIC REPORT ON RADIO) - Where's Andy? - I don't know.
- Who's moved my rucksack? - Me, but it was in the way.
Right, Jade, I want you in the car.
Come on, get your shoes on.
And you, love, come on, let's go.
- I'm tired! - All right.
And I'm hungry.
Andy! We are going now.
I'm coming.
- Have you got your bus fare? - Yeah, see you later.
(CHILDREN SQUABBLING) - Come on, Chris, you're always late.
- See you, love.
Got your recorder, Jade? Mum, it's not recorder day today, that's tomorrow.
(TOOTS HORN) (DOGS BARK) TV: # Become good friends (KNOCK ON DOOR) (WEST COUNTRY ACCENT) Mae, get that.
(FOOTSTEPS) - Is your mum in? - She's inside.
(FOOTSTEPS) Mum.
Oh, bloody hell, not you again! That's right, me again.
Well, what's that? A warrant to search the house and the garden.
Excuse me.
Mum, what? - What's going on? - I don't know.
- Well, what are they all - They just come in with search warrants.
(CLATTERING) Mind my house, you great lummock! What, then, are the signs of abuse She'd got a search warrant this time.
You better have your story straight.
But they may also be behavioural.
Is the child withdrawn or aggressive or unusually introverted? Is there an unspoken atmosphere of fear in the house? (RINGING TONE) It's me.
That interfering bloody arsehole bitch is here again.
She'd got a search warrant this time.
You better have your story straight.
And anything you need to do, you better get done.
Hm? (FOOTSTEPS) (LOCAL TALK RADIO) (PHONE RINGS) Hello.
Speaking.
Oh, right.
So you want me to come in now? Erno, no, fine.
Erm Half an hour? Ok, then, bye.
That were the police.
- They need an appropriate adult.
- A what? You know, it's that thing I volunteered for.
You lot don't listen to a word I say, do you? - Janet Leach? - Yeah.
This way, please.
Detective Superintendent Bennett's waiting for you.
(CLAMOUR OF VOICES) Janet Leach, the appropriate adult, sir.
Sorry for calling you in at this time of day.
Probation and Social Services had no-one available.
- Do you mind if I ask who it is? - It's a 52-year-old man.
With learning difficulties? Well, all I can say is that we've been advised to have an appropriate adult.
Oh, yes.
- You have done this before? - Oh, no, but I have done the training.
Ah.
Carry on.
Howard Ogden, solicitor.
This taped interview is being conducted at Gloucester Central Police Station.
I'm DC Darren Law and my colleague here is - DC Hazel Savage.
- And could I have your name, please? Frederick Walter Stephen West.
- And your legal representative - Howard Ogden.
And acting as your appropriate adult Oh, Janet Leach.
You're here to observe the interview is conducted fairly but also to advise Mr West and facilitate communication with him.
- I understand.
- Super.
The date is Friday 25th February 1994, the time is 16:57.
Before we set off I've got to remind you, Fred, that you're still under caution and that you don't have to say anything unless you wish to do so but anything you do say may be used in evidence.
- Do you understand? - Yeah.
OK.
You were arrested earlier today by my colleague here in relation to the murder of your daughter Heather.
Could you tell me on your own words what you know about that? Well, Heather wanted to leave home, see, and she'd been knocking about with this girl with a red mini.
That's a mini skirt not a Mini car.
(SNIFFS) And we were pretty sure she was a lesbian, like, so me and Rose said, "Hang on a sec, you'd better think about this, girl, you know, give it a night, at least.
" So next morning come up and she looked real rough.
She'd been crying and So Rose says, "Let her go.
" She said, "I'll go to the bank and draw out 600 pounds, she can have that and go".
So, Rose goes off and I'm left in the hall with Heather and her suitcase.
She's got her hands on her hips, you know, the big lady, like I say, "How about you get a flat up the road? You can have girlfriends up there.
" And she said, "If you don't let me fucking go I'll give all the kids acid.
" That's LSD, like.
"And they'll jump off the church roof and kill their selves.
" And I said, "Well, that ain't very nice, girl, you threatening to do that to your own brothers and sisters.
" And she's got this smile on her face, like a sort of smirk, like, "Try me and I'll do it".
So I just lunged at her like that and then I grabbed her by the throat, like that, and held her there for I don't know how long but it was real quick because It's surprising how long you can hold someone by the throat until they until they But I can't even remember to that extent what happened next, but the next minute she's gone blue.
And I'm looking at her from head to foot.
You know, what the heck's gone wrong? I put her on the floor and I'm blowing in her mouth, pumping her chest, but she kept on getting bluer and I didn't know what to do.
I hadn't meant to hurt her and Rose is due back any minute.
I'm thinking, jeez, I've got to do something and I was scared.
So I was going to put her in the Wendy house.
Then I thought I'd put her in the dustbin, but I couldn't get her in there, so I get this ice saw.
You know, with the two prongs at the top and the serrated edges, you use them for cutting blocks of ice and I cut her legs off, and I mean, that was unbearable.
Yeah, I can still hear that in my sleep.
And then I cut her head off, and Well, I closed her eyes first, cos well, you're not going to take a saw to your own daughter when she's sat there looking at you, are you? And then she fit neatly in the bin, so I push it down the end of the garden, behind the Wendy House.
Then I take her suitcase and stuck it behind the vet's on St Michael's Square where everyone chucks their rubbish.
Then I got Heather from behind the Wendy house and buried her.
And I been meaning to come down here and get all this sorted out before, but I never got round to it.
Can I ask if the appropriate adult's all right? Oh, quite all right, thank you.
DC SAVAGE: Let's get this clear.
- You're saying you killed your daughter.
- But not intentionally.
DC LAW: What sort of grave are we looking for? Just a hole about four foot square.
SAVAGE: And what's in this hole? - Well, Heather.
- How many pieces? Three pieces, two legs, a head and a body.
LAW: That's four pieces.
Are you happy to come to the house and point out where she is? Yeah.
Why didn't you tell us all this before, Fred? I wasn't ready.
Or is it cos we're carrying out a search and you were afraid we might find her? No.
You see, all this is causing stress to Rose and I don't want that, and the thing I'd like to make clear is that Rose, knew nothing about any of this.
The time is 17:08 by my watch and the interview is ended whilst arrangements are made to visit 25 Cromwell Street.
This notice explains what happens to the tapes.
-Can I have a word? - Yeah, sure.
- Is Rose here? - No.
- I've a feeling she's in the building.
- She's not here.
I just wanted to make sure you're OK.
Er Yeah, yeah, I'm fine.
(SHOUTING) She is here.
I thought they were taking her straight to Cheltenham.
- This way, Mrs West.
- You're unbelievable, you lot.
You're fucking unbelievable! (RINGING TONE) - Hello.
- Oh, hi, love, it's me.
Is everything all right? JOSH: Yeah.
- Have you had tea? - Sort of.
You might have to put Jade to bed.
Where are you? I told you, I'm at the police station.
I'm helping the police with an investigation.
What investigation? Yeah, the press office are working on it now.
I can't talk about it.
I'm really sorry, love, I've got to go.
I'll see you later, all right? Bye.
(FRED'S VOICE) (LAUGHTER) DC LAW: What, overalls? FRED: Standard police issue, are they? Nothing but the best.
Damn stuff drive you mad, it does.
- What's that, then? - Fibreglass.
Been spraying this bloke's loft over Stroud way.
We don't have back-scratchers in the station, Fred.
- Is the car ready? - Don't I know you from somewhere? - Erm I'm sure you don't.
- You don't half look familiar.
(CHATTER) LAW: I'll be in the first car with Mr West and his solicitor Mr Ogden.
Ain't just Heather I buried in that garden.
- There's more.
- More? You wouldn't believe it.
Not that you can let on to the police I told you that, eh? You have got to keep everything I say in confidence.
But you're a good appropriate adult, you'll already know that.
DC SAVAGE: Mrs Leach.
OK? All ready? Let's go.
Right arm, please, Fred.
- Where's Rose? - On her way to Cheltenham Police Station.
She's also under arrest.
- That's a waste of her time and yours.
- Come on.
The work I put into this place! Knocking through here and building on there.
Years of back-break to get it looking tickety-boo.
I need to remind you you are under caution, Fred, you understand? Yes, thank you, Hazel.
Now you show us where you buried your daughter Heather.
The problem is remembering what you did when I'd try there.
- Is Bernard still around? - He's gone home.
- Get him back.
- We need a pathologist.
See there? What? And there? What am I supposed to be looking at? OK, we're going to get a forensic team to start examining that area.
We'll go back to the station now, apply for an extension of custody and resume our interview tomorrow.
Is there anything else you wish to say? Yes.
Will the appropriate adult be present? Can you attend? Erm Yeah, if you want me.
That's sorted, then.
She's been very helpful so far.
(CHILDREN TALKING) (CHILDREN'S VOICES) - I said yeah.
- Ssh! Come on, you said yesterday, that's not right.
MIKE: Been on that job over at Barnwood.
They've had cowboys in before.
What a mess, I'm having to re-skim it all.
I told them, I said, "This'll take weeks.
" - Hey, cut it out, you two.
- Hey! (CHILDREN CHATTER) - Mike - Hm? - Have you taken them? - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Gloucester Police Station, the date is 26th February 1994.
The time is 10:38.
I'm DC Law, my colleague here is DC Savage.
- Your full name, please.
- Frederick Walter Stephen West.
- And your legal representative - Howard Ogden.
- And acting as your appropriate adult - Janet Leach.
I've to remind that you are still under caution.
Do you understand? - Yes and me and him just had an argument.
- Discussion.
I'm telling you now what I just told him.
Heather is not in that garden.
She's alive and well and possibly at this moment in Bahrain.
She's been recruited to work for a drugs cartel as a drugs runner.
They treat her like a queen.
She gets in touch now and again to tell me she's all right.
She's using a false name.
I have no idea what that is and I will not let her tell me.
Now, whether or not you believe in that is entirely up to you.
But that's why you found nothing and you won't, not even if you dig till Kingdom Come.
And I don't care how much money and time you waste, cos you wasted mine.
- Not just now but in the past.
- There were previous allegations.
- There was nothing in them.
- Rape and buggery of your children.
- Which was never proven.
- You had me in prison, spat at by other prisoners, my younger kids put into care, where they still are, poor lambs, trying to force me to admit that I assaulted them - Trying to get to the truth, Fred.
- You turned my house upside down.
- And we'll do so again and the garden.
- 3,000 pounds that cost me And we'll keep on searching until we find Heather.
All because of some remark about her being under the patio! A remark made by your own daughter.
-Anne Marie said it was a family joke.
- A jopke.
There you are! To social workers who, like me, have had concerns about your family for a considerable time.
You're the beautifulest woman in Gloucester when you're angry, Hazel.
I'm just trying to get to the truth this time, Fred.
- You're being personal and vindictive.
- I'm being neither.
Against me and my Rose, who loves our family, who'd do anything for them.
Why are you saying this now, Fred? Last night you took us to the house with Mr Ogden and this lady, and you showed us a grave.
You inconvenienced me.
So, are you trying to inconvenience DC Savage to get back at her? You really saying there's nothing in that grave? Why are you smirking? Who's smirking? You said yesterday you wanted to get all this sorted out.
Then I spent the night in a cell thinking what I want is Rose back in our home.
I want my children back, I want my house and garden reinstated.
We are a family! Well, let's just ask Mrs Leach, as an independent lady, what she thinks.
Erm Well, he's clearly contradicting what he said last night.
Did you hear that, Fred? And I saw the smirk.
(KNOCK ON DOOR) For the benefit of the tape, PC Roberts has entered the room.
Nothing more hurtful than someone saying you don't love your kids.
Bet you feel the same way.
Bet you're a mother.
- That's completely irrelevant.
- Ah, but it's not, you see, cos I think you understand how deep my feelings are for my family.
Don't you? (DOOR OPENS) Time for a cuppa, I'd say, Hazel.
We can We can take a refreshment break shortly.
But first I'd like to discuss the information that Detective Superintendent Bennett's just sent from your house.
What information? They've found some bones in the garden.
Well, like I said, I I want to get all this sorted out.
Our pathologist is confident they're human.
If I accused you of inconveniencing me, then, Helen, I apologise.
Are you sure you buried Heather all in one place? You what? - You didn't scatter any of her body around the garden? - No.
Cos they found another body part in another part of the garden.
Well, I can't think how that could have got there.
What, are you suggesting it wasn't part of Heather? It must have been.
It was a thigh bone.
They've already found two thigh bones.
Heather didn't have three legs, did she? Well do you have any knowledge how this other bone could have got there, Fred? Yes.
Shirley.
Shirley who? Robinson.
The girl that caused all the trouble.
The girl with the red mini.
Thank you, yes.
You see, she lodged with us, and I had an affair with her and she got pregnant and she wanted to marry me and she said she was gonna tell Rose and there was a bit of an argument, got out of hand somehow and she ended up getting strangled.
And where was Rose at this time? - In the hospital having a baby.
- Which baby? Erm Babs.
No.
Er No, not Babs.
Erm Young Rosemarie.
I'd come back from seeing Rose in the hospital and (SNIFFS) Shirley and I had this row and I killed her.
How? Strangled her with a piece of flex.
Buried her in the garden? Yeah.
And her with a baby inside her, too.
Can't tell you how that's haunted me.
I mean, about the baby and (SIGHS) In killing Shirley, the the baby would have died, too.
(SOBS) I think we'll end there.
Does anyone have anything else to say? The time is 11:06 and the interview has ended.
Excuse me.
We've decided to leave the interviews for today.
- Oh, OK.
- ErmFred needs some clean clothes.
I wondered, could you go to the house with Mr Ogden and get them? Erm Yeah, all right.
And whilst you're at it, could you get some for Mrs West, too? - We're still holding her at Cheltenham.
- OK.
Erm Does he really have learning difficulties? So why do you need an appropriate adult? Detective Superintendent Bennett's concerned there's no suggestion, Mr West had difficulty understanding any of this.
(CAMERAS CLICKING) Can you give us anything at all? Can you give us any information atall? (SHOUTING CONTINUES) In you go.
PC: This way.
Right at the top, I think.
174, 174 Quebec Lima, over.
Quebec Lima, go ahead, over.
Can you do anything to improve access to the rear of the property? I'll look into it now, over.
OGDEN: Upstairs, I think.
342, 342, Quebec Lima, over.
Can you meet DC Kaminsky by the back door? He's got a message for you.
You did know she works as a prostitute? - I'd worked that out.
- Mm.
Clothes.
No, there's nothing in here.
(VOICES IN GARDEN) I thought you'd already searched in here.
- We're not the police.
- Who the fuck are you, then? - I'm your dad's solicitor.
- Well, who's this? Janet Leach, I'm acting as your father's appropriate adult.
His what? We've been sent to pick up some clean clothes.
Where is Dad? Cos no-one's told us anything.
Gloucester Police Station.
I'm afraid he's been arrested on suspicion of murder.
Murder of who? If it's murder then it'll be Mum, not Dad.
- Don't say that about Mum! - I'll say what fucking I like! Don't listen to him.
Mum's all right.
Dad's the one.
Tell Mum I hope she's all right and we want her home.
Please will you do that for me? (ENGINE RUNNING IN GARDEN) (SHOVELS CLANGING) - Mrs West.
- Jesus! You.
This lady's brought you some of your clothes.
What? You've been to my house, rooting round in my things? - The police asked me - Fucking cheek! We were just quickly in and out and we saw Stephen and Mae, and Mae said that she hoped you were all right.
By what right, by what right, you nosy fucking bitch, do you go in my house and speak to my children and poke about among my private things? - Rose - Jesus Christ! Rose, calm down.
Who are you, anyway? - Who are you? - She's helping us, Mrs West.
She's got no right touching my clothing and you've got no right arresting me! - All we want is to get to the truth.
- No, it ain't.
You want me to say Fred killed our Heather and I helped him.
- Did you? - No, I did not! How many fucking times? You've got nothing on me and you know it.
- Take her back to the cells, please.
- Right.
(RUMMAGES IN BAG) Don't touch me.
Oh, what are you so fucking scared of, you little mouse? Little mousey-mouse, wouldn't say boo to a fucking goose.
I bet you're a dirty little lezzie, too.
Mrs West! Innocent, isn't she? I said don't touch me, didn't I? I told you not to fucking touch me.
- Sorry about that.
- It's all right.
Look, have a seat, I'll get you a glass of water.
Occupational hazard, I'm afraid, that kind of abuse.
It's not that.
What is it, then? Things have happened and been said that I hadn't expected.
What things? Has Fred said anything privately to you about any of this? I can't tell you.
I owe a duty of confidence.
Of course.
But if he does try and give you information privately, you can advise him to speak to me.
I know, I've done the training.
You'd better get home.
What are you doing? It's Sunday.
I know.
They need me to go in again.
What? The police.
Bloody hell, Janet.
(PHONE RINGS) Hello.
Oh, yeah, yeah, I'm just going in now.
Coping? Of course I'm coping.
Who says I'm not? Pull out? No! So, you're saying if I carry on, you won't support me? OK, fine! (CHATTER) I want that statement on my desk first thing in the morning, you understand? Excuse me.
Can I ask? Have you said something to her? What? The organiser of the appropriate adult register.
Yes, yes, I have.
Did you tell her that I wasn't up to this? No, I did not.
Cos she rang me and asked me if I wanted to pull out.
I explained it was a very difficult and distressing case.
She's perfectly entitled to give you that opportunity.
Well, I won't.
Are you quite sure you still feel able to carry on? Yeah, absolutely.
Very well.
Janet! There's been a development.
What? Fred's indicated that there's another body in the garden.
- Who? - A girl called Alison Chambers.
I suspect he's told us cos we'll find the body anyway.
I want him to point out the grave.
Can you come to the house? Er Yeah, of course.
(CLANGING) (KEYS JANGLING) So, here, Fred, this here's where we found bones that you say may belong to Shirley Robinson.
Where did you bury Alison Chambers? Well, now - Now you're asking.
- Yes, I am asking, Fred.
Let's see.
No.
I don't think I can get it.
Oh, hold on, hold on, hold on.
I'm picking something up.
- Yeah, that's her.
- Alison? Yeah, she's trying to tell me something.
What's she trying to tell you, Fred? Where she is, but I I don't think I can understand what she's trying to Yeah, hold on, hold on.
Erm Yeah.
Try there.
Now that's your lot, you'll find no more.
What about Rena? - Rena? - Your first wife.
And what about Charmaine? - Charmaine? - Why are you looking at me like that? Rena had a daughter Charmaine, who became your step-daughter.
Where are they? Well, you lose you lose track of people, don't you? You said you'd lost track of Heather, but you killed her and buried her, in this garden.
And you did the same to Shirley Robinson and Alison Chambers.
You won't find Rena and Charmaine here, and that I swear.
And even if you don't believe me, I know the appropriate adult does, cos she understands me in a way that you lot don't.
Isn't that so? How could I understand you? You've killed people.
Because you're a woman who can see beneath the surface.
And a woman who knows remorse when she sees it.
Not like you lot.
The police have found two more bodies in the garden in Gloucester where the remains of the missing schoolgirl Heather West were discovered on Saturday.
Her father is charged with her murder.
The two new bodies are thought to be of adults but police say identification will be difficult.
They're checking registers of missing people.
Our West Of England reporter Steve Scott has the details Can I use that table? I can't concentrate in there.
Oh, yeah.
.
.
the city's biggest-ever criminal investigation.
Is this the thing you're involved with? Forensic teams have unearthed three sets of human remains It is, isn't it? It obviously is, Josh.
She can't talk about it.
Do you think there are more bodies? I bet there are more, though, most people do.
Police have confirmed the man's wife has been released without charge.
Indications are that the police operation at 25 Cromwell Street could go on for many more days yet.
What's that number again, please? DC SAVAGE: Jacqui will show you out.
I know this is distressing but that information could be really useful.
We'll be in touch if we have any news at all.
- Ready for another session? - Yeah.
Who was that? Mr and Mrs Gough.
Gloucester couple whose daughter lodged with the Wests 20 years ago.
We found some belongings in the house we think may be hers.
You think she could be another victim? - Yup.
Where's this going to end? There are three bodies and that's it.
I said I'm willing to sort all that out.
I know I'll never go home again but I want my garden reinstated and I want Rose and the kids back home.
- She can't go back home! - Why not? You've released Rose.
She's with Mae and Stephen, the younger kids are in care.
We're still searching the property and the fact that we've released Rose doesn't mean that we belive she's innocent.
This is all wrong, see.
Did Rose know about your relationship with Shirley Robinson? No, she didn't.
Living under the same roof? Rose must have known she was pregnant.
- She didn't know I was the father.
- I suggest that she did.
I suggest she was jealous.
I suggest she helped you to kill her.
- We've found Shirley's body, Fred.
- I know.
It was me who showed you where it was.
So, can you explain why the baby wasn't inside her? What? The baby has not been left intact in the abdomen.
I need to take a break.
DC LAW: The time is 11:45, the interview has ended.
- Back in a minute, Fred.
- Can you sign this off, Mrs Leach? I need to speak to you.
DC SAVAGE: Yes, Mr Ogden, of course.
I need to see that report.
That would have been Rose.
What would? The baby.
Are you saying that Rose removed the baby from Shirley's womb? Oh, no, no.
No, no, Rose is a mother, she'd never do a thing like that.
I can't do this.
Don't go, please.
Give me one good reason why I should listen to this crap.
- I know you've suffered.
- What? - You don't know anything about me.
- I can see it in your eyes.
I know you've not always been properly loved and respected by men.
I've had enough of this.
You need to tell the police everything.
If you've killed other women, they need to know.
The girls' families need to know.
I'm not admitting nothing else to Mr Ogden or the police.
- I'm going and I'll not be coming back.
- You're my appropriate adult.
- I don't give a shit! - Please, please! Please, Janet, please stay! You're the only one I can trust.
On one condition.
You tell the police who else you've killed.
All right.
In writing, so you can't back-track.
I'll get Mr Ogden in.
- Mr Ogden.
- Yes? (CLEARS THROAT) Mr West wants to make a statement.
- Saying what? - Who else he's killed.
Really? Well What exactly do you want to say? Go on, Fred.
Here, Janet, come and sit here.
OGDEN: So, what shall we put? Go on.
"I, Frederick West, authorise my solicitor" (REPEATS) "Howard Ogden" Howard Ogden "to advise Superintendent Bennett" Superintendent Bennett Of? Of a a further eight killings.
Eight? All right, nine.
Well, is it eight or nine? Erm Shall we just put "approx"? That's it, "approx".
Good girl.
"Of a further nine approx, killings.
" - Is this his signature? - Yes.
These don't sound like his words.
Well, we drafted it for him, following his instructions.
We? He made this admission following a conversation with Mrs Leach.
I also got him to draw a map.
He said some bodies are in the garden, some are under the cellar floor and there's a body in a field.
It's all a bit vague.
Others to be identified.
We've made a start, trying to identify who they might be.
It's a huge breakthrough, sir.
Why did he come out with all of this? I told him that if he didn't start telling the truth, then I wouldn't help him any more.
That could be seen as putting him under duress.
How? I was just being honest and I told him it was you he should tell, not me, because what he tells me I have to keep in private, confidential.
You've done exactly the right thing.
I won't have to go to court, will I? Oh, I doubt that very much, Mrs Leach, you're the appropriate adult.
You're here to assist Mr West.
See, the problem I have down here, is the high water table.
No matter how much concrete you put down, you still get seepage.
Let's see what I can do for you.
Hm - I don't know.
- What don't you know, Fred? If I can feel If I can feel them.
I can feel their spirits reaching out to me but I'm getting the same message from all of them.
They're trying to tell me they're they're better off where they are.
They don't want to be disturbed.
This is a pile of crap! Either there are more bodies here or there aren't.
He's told us that there are.
He'd better not have come up with those nine to impress you.
- I don't think he has.
- Be wary of getting pally with him.
I'm not getting pally with him, I'm just trying to help.
Dig the floor up.
Take the house apart brick by brick if you have to.
This is getting out of hand.
People will start thinking he's taking the mickey out of us.
(DRILLING) Thanks.
- Janet Leach? - Yeah.
-Can we have a quick chat? - What about? - What you're doing with the police.
- Janet? Hi, Kirsty Stevens.
- Fuck off, Kirsty, I'm talking to her.
- Janet, before you make any decisions, please talk to me.
- What do you mean, decisions? - Cromwell Street.
- You clearly know the inside story.
- Who told you that? We have our ways.
I've got nothing to say to you.
(TV NEWS ON) It's me.
Hi, how's things? Look at this, it's a Jag XJ6 4.
2-litre coupe.
- What? - Yeah, there were only 6,000 made.
It's got full leather, automatic transmission, top speed of 120.
- "Immaculate throughout.
" - You're not thinking of buying a car? - He only wants four grand.
- We haven't got four grand.
- We can get it, easy.
- How? The newspapers.
Look what came through the door.
What? They want to buy your story.
- It could be worth thousands.
- I can't talk to the press.
I bet everyone else is.
- Who? - I don't know.
The police? How else does all this stuff get in the papers? It's a hell of a story, Janet.
It's just been on the news about there being more bodies.
Mike, this is ridiculous.
I'm doing this because it's vital, not to make money.
That's bonkers, if you ask me.
Well, I'll I'll have to rustle it up from somewhere else, then.
Is he all right? - What do you mean? - It's the sort of thing he starts doing, talking a lot, buying stuff he can't afford.
No, he's fine, he's taking his medication.
Yet another takeaway.
Yeah.
- We had to eat something.
- I'll give you the money.
How long's this going to go on? I don't know, love.
(BIRD CALLS) (VEHICLES APPROACH) Oh, it takes me back, this, you know.
Right back to boyhood.
Every inch, every blade of grass.
That's Letterbox Field there.
We've come to search for the remains of your first wife.
We're not sightseeing.
I know.
Lovely to get out of that police station, eh, Janet? Smell God's fresh air.
Try there.
Ok, lads.
We're over here.
That's the spot there.
Mark that, then, Darren.
That's it.
So, if you take that as your starting point Wouldn't mind a wander over there, too, Janet.
Why? - For old times' sake.
- What's so special about over there? See, I love Rose and I loved Rena, too, but Anna was the one.
Who's Anna? The true love of my life.
Anna was having a baby, too, but That was a baby I wanted.
I don't understand.
Are you all right? I was just asking Janet about my fish.
Fish? My tropical fish, who's feeding them? Let's get you back to the nick.
Mike, have you bought it? Yeah.
It's not the one I went after, in the end, it's another.
- Beautiful, isn't it? - How much was it? It's just immaculate.
The bloke I bought it from, he's a Jag specialist.
How much was it? - Nine grand.
- 9,000? You can't spend that kind of money on a car.
It's fine, I got it on HP.
We don't even need another car.
What is going on in here? We've got a new TV and a new video, too.
Even better deal than the car.
I got this new unit to put them on, but they haven't supplied enough fixings Mike, Mike, this is ridiculous, we're - Mike, Mike! - What? We're not getting a new TV or a new car.
Have you been taking your lithium? - Yeah, of course, yeah.
- Are you sure? No, you haven't, you've been missing days.
You can't afford to miss any days, you know that.
Right, kids, upstairs.
Go on.
Go! Mike, the car is going back, and the TV and the video.
- Why? - Just sit down.
Just sit down.
- No.
Why? Just sit down, go and sit down.
Come on, love.
Come on.
I'm going to have to get you into the hospital.
I'm going to go and call them now, all right? - I warned you.
- Just stay out of this, Josh.
None of this would have happened if you'd been thinking of us.
You'd far rather spend time with that murderer.
Just leave it, will you, Josh? Oh, hello, yeah, my name's Janet Leach and I'm calling about my partner.
Yeah, he's bi-polar and he's going into a high and I need to bring him in urgently.
He's finally dropped off.
He's clearly got very over-stimulated, though.
It could take days, maybe weeks, to get him fully stabilised again.
I see.
- Do you need me to stay? - No.
Would it be all right if I came back this afternoon about half-four? Fine.
(ON TAPE) ROSE: I'm admitting nothing cos I've got fucking nothing to admit.
MAE: So it's all Dad.
That's what I'm saying, Mae.
I'm as shocked about this as you are.
DC LAW: Rose has denied it to us, and to her daughter.
We've got nothing else on her.
So, unless Fred drops her in it Janet.
- Ready to crack on? - Yeah, but erm - I need to leave at four, I've got an urgent family matter.
- That's Fine.
Did you engage them in sadomasochistic acts? They were adventurous young girls.
So, how did you end up killing them? You even got the killing wrong.
You're trying to make out that I just went out and blatantly killed people.
It weren't like that.
Enjoyment turned to disaster.
We're all having difficulty understanding this.
Especially how these things can have gone on without Rose's knowledge.
- Rose was out.
- Out where? Shopping.
Whilst you had sex, murdered and buried them? She must have had an awful lot of shopping to do! She does.
It's a fair old walk to Tesco.
Mary Bastholme.
Carol Cooper.
Lucy Partington.
Shirley Hubbard.
Those women didn't stay at your house.
I don't believe they were known to you, they just disappeared from local bus stops.
(INTERROGATION FADES OUT) - Do you know where you were, then? - One more time Did Rose know about these sexual encounters? Did she participate in them? - Did Rose kill Charmaine? - Rose didn't kill no-one.
I killed Charmaine when I come out of Leyhill Prison.
For the last time, Rose had no part of this.
Your loyalty's very touching.
Do you think she feels the same about you? - Rose loves me.
- You're so confident about that you didn't mind her having sex with other men? - That's correct.
- So long as you knew about it.
- I always knew about it.
- So you knew she was seeing male clients at another premises in Gloucester? - What? - 22 Sunderland Street.
- That's rubbish! - We spoke to men who met her there for sex.
Do you find that upsetting, Fred? There were things in Rose's life you didn't know about.
Sexual relationships she kept to herself.
- No, I don't, cos you're making it up.
- No, I'm not Fred.
I bloody well know you are! Rose is all mine, she always has been.
And I would know, I'd know here if that ever changed.
Rose is my love, that was she is, and I ain't having you lot telling me otherwise.
- Sit down, please, Fred.
- Fred, you're not helping yourself.
The interview is ended at 15:47 by my watch.
This suggestion that Rose West was seeing men without Mr West's knowledge, any further disclosure about that? - You'd better come to the office.
- I want to be giving the correct advice.
- Don't rush off, Janet.
- I have to.
That's bullshit about Rose seeing other fellas in some place I don't know about.
I'm afraid I can't stay and discuss it now.
A man needs to know his wife has no secrets.
Would you keep secrets from your husband? - I'm not married.
- There's a lucky fella in your life.
I can tell.
- Mind your own bloody business.
- Please don't go.
Please.
There's something I want to tell you.
It's about Rose.
What about her? She was involved.
In how many of them? Lots.
The things I could tell you about what she done to some of them girls.
I may have started it, but .
.
she took over and did whatever she liked.
I mean it.
She did took that baby out of Shirley's body, not me.
That's the kind of woman she is.
If all that is true, how can you hold that back from the police? For the sake of the family.
I don't understand.
We made a pact, see, that I would take all the blame to myself.
On the day the police come with the warrant, I was out, Rose called me to warn me.
When I got home, the police give us five minutes alone and we agreed then that I'd tell them it was all me.
And I know you think it's wrong that Rose gets away with it and I pay the price, but that's the plan we made.
So she could look after the family and that plan is working, Anna.
- Why did you just call me Anna? - Sorry.
Janet.
I get confused.
My mind's spinning with all this I'm losing everything.
my family, my wife home.
And you, you're helping me through the most terrible time in my life.
You're my only friend.
- I'm not your friend, Fred.
- You are.
We're going on a journey together, Janet.
Neither of us knows where it's going to end but we're on it together.
I have to go.
Mrs Leach.
Yeah? We won't be needing you any more.
What? Your services on the inquiry are no longer required.
- Why? - I'm not obliged to give reasons.
You can't just drop me without any explanation.
- Yes, I can.
- No, you can't, not now.
What do you mean, not now? I can't answer that.
Well, clearly you found all this very distressing but thank you for your help.
I tell you, I'm sick of this, the fucking trouble your father caused me and those fucking police, yammering on at me.
What I done when, what your dad done when, who stayed in the fucking house.
Well, I'm not taking the blame for fucking nothing.
What you believe don't matter, Hazel.
It's what you can prove that matters.
(SHOUTING) I need you, Janet.
Please.
I thought I'd frightened you off.
What are you doing? I get the feeling that there's more that he wants to tell me.
I think there are more bodies.
I didn't kill Anna.
Believe me, Janet.
She guided me through you.
I don't know what you're talking about.
- Rose isn't even here.
- No, but she's in here.
She's in here.
For your own peace of mind, stop.
I can't.
Come on.
You said yesterday.
That's not my fault.
- Come on you lot, chop chop.
- Chop chop! Chop chop! Anyone seen my overalls? There's some clean ones in the back, love.
Oh, thanks.
Andy, Josh, it's ten past.
(TRAFFIC REPORT ON RADIO) - Where's Andy? - I don't know.
- Who's moved my rucksack? - Me, but it was in the way.
Right, Jade, I want you in the car.
Come on, get your shoes on.
And you, love, come on, let's go.
- I'm tired! - All right.
And I'm hungry.
Andy! We are going now.
I'm coming.
- Have you got your bus fare? - Yeah, see you later.
(CHILDREN SQUABBLING) - Come on, Chris, you're always late.
- See you, love.
Got your recorder, Jade? Mum, it's not recorder day today, that's tomorrow.
(TOOTS HORN) (DOGS BARK) TV: # Become good friends (KNOCK ON DOOR) (WEST COUNTRY ACCENT) Mae, get that.
(FOOTSTEPS) - Is your mum in? - She's inside.
(FOOTSTEPS) Mum.
Oh, bloody hell, not you again! That's right, me again.
Well, what's that? A warrant to search the house and the garden.
Excuse me.
Mum, what? - What's going on? - I don't know.
- Well, what are they all - They just come in with search warrants.
(CLATTERING) Mind my house, you great lummock! What, then, are the signs of abuse She'd got a search warrant this time.
You better have your story straight.
But they may also be behavioural.
Is the child withdrawn or aggressive or unusually introverted? Is there an unspoken atmosphere of fear in the house? (RINGING TONE) It's me.
That interfering bloody arsehole bitch is here again.
She'd got a search warrant this time.
You better have your story straight.
And anything you need to do, you better get done.
Hm? (FOOTSTEPS) (LOCAL TALK RADIO) (PHONE RINGS) Hello.
Speaking.
Oh, right.
So you want me to come in now? Erno, no, fine.
Erm Half an hour? Ok, then, bye.
That were the police.
- They need an appropriate adult.
- A what? You know, it's that thing I volunteered for.
You lot don't listen to a word I say, do you? - Janet Leach? - Yeah.
This way, please.
Detective Superintendent Bennett's waiting for you.
(CLAMOUR OF VOICES) Janet Leach, the appropriate adult, sir.
Sorry for calling you in at this time of day.
Probation and Social Services had no-one available.
- Do you mind if I ask who it is? - It's a 52-year-old man.
With learning difficulties? Well, all I can say is that we've been advised to have an appropriate adult.
Oh, yes.
- You have done this before? - Oh, no, but I have done the training.
Ah.
Carry on.
Howard Ogden, solicitor.
This taped interview is being conducted at Gloucester Central Police Station.
I'm DC Darren Law and my colleague here is - DC Hazel Savage.
- And could I have your name, please? Frederick Walter Stephen West.
- And your legal representative - Howard Ogden.
And acting as your appropriate adult Oh, Janet Leach.
You're here to observe the interview is conducted fairly but also to advise Mr West and facilitate communication with him.
- I understand.
- Super.
The date is Friday 25th February 1994, the time is 16:57.
Before we set off I've got to remind you, Fred, that you're still under caution and that you don't have to say anything unless you wish to do so but anything you do say may be used in evidence.
- Do you understand? - Yeah.
OK.
You were arrested earlier today by my colleague here in relation to the murder of your daughter Heather.
Could you tell me on your own words what you know about that? Well, Heather wanted to leave home, see, and she'd been knocking about with this girl with a red mini.
That's a mini skirt not a Mini car.
(SNIFFS) And we were pretty sure she was a lesbian, like, so me and Rose said, "Hang on a sec, you'd better think about this, girl, you know, give it a night, at least.
" So next morning come up and she looked real rough.
She'd been crying and So Rose says, "Let her go.
" She said, "I'll go to the bank and draw out 600 pounds, she can have that and go".
So, Rose goes off and I'm left in the hall with Heather and her suitcase.
She's got her hands on her hips, you know, the big lady, like I say, "How about you get a flat up the road? You can have girlfriends up there.
" And she said, "If you don't let me fucking go I'll give all the kids acid.
" That's LSD, like.
"And they'll jump off the church roof and kill their selves.
" And I said, "Well, that ain't very nice, girl, you threatening to do that to your own brothers and sisters.
" And she's got this smile on her face, like a sort of smirk, like, "Try me and I'll do it".
So I just lunged at her like that and then I grabbed her by the throat, like that, and held her there for I don't know how long but it was real quick because It's surprising how long you can hold someone by the throat until they until they But I can't even remember to that extent what happened next, but the next minute she's gone blue.
And I'm looking at her from head to foot.
You know, what the heck's gone wrong? I put her on the floor and I'm blowing in her mouth, pumping her chest, but she kept on getting bluer and I didn't know what to do.
I hadn't meant to hurt her and Rose is due back any minute.
I'm thinking, jeez, I've got to do something and I was scared.
So I was going to put her in the Wendy house.
Then I thought I'd put her in the dustbin, but I couldn't get her in there, so I get this ice saw.
You know, with the two prongs at the top and the serrated edges, you use them for cutting blocks of ice and I cut her legs off, and I mean, that was unbearable.
Yeah, I can still hear that in my sleep.
And then I cut her head off, and Well, I closed her eyes first, cos well, you're not going to take a saw to your own daughter when she's sat there looking at you, are you? And then she fit neatly in the bin, so I push it down the end of the garden, behind the Wendy House.
Then I take her suitcase and stuck it behind the vet's on St Michael's Square where everyone chucks their rubbish.
Then I got Heather from behind the Wendy house and buried her.
And I been meaning to come down here and get all this sorted out before, but I never got round to it.
Can I ask if the appropriate adult's all right? Oh, quite all right, thank you.
DC SAVAGE: Let's get this clear.
- You're saying you killed your daughter.
- But not intentionally.
DC LAW: What sort of grave are we looking for? Just a hole about four foot square.
SAVAGE: And what's in this hole? - Well, Heather.
- How many pieces? Three pieces, two legs, a head and a body.
LAW: That's four pieces.
Are you happy to come to the house and point out where she is? Yeah.
Why didn't you tell us all this before, Fred? I wasn't ready.
Or is it cos we're carrying out a search and you were afraid we might find her? No.
You see, all this is causing stress to Rose and I don't want that, and the thing I'd like to make clear is that Rose, knew nothing about any of this.
The time is 17:08 by my watch and the interview is ended whilst arrangements are made to visit 25 Cromwell Street.
This notice explains what happens to the tapes.
-Can I have a word? - Yeah, sure.
- Is Rose here? - No.
- I've a feeling she's in the building.
- She's not here.
I just wanted to make sure you're OK.
Er Yeah, yeah, I'm fine.
(SHOUTING) She is here.
I thought they were taking her straight to Cheltenham.
- This way, Mrs West.
- You're unbelievable, you lot.
You're fucking unbelievable! (RINGING TONE) - Hello.
- Oh, hi, love, it's me.
Is everything all right? JOSH: Yeah.
- Have you had tea? - Sort of.
You might have to put Jade to bed.
Where are you? I told you, I'm at the police station.
I'm helping the police with an investigation.
What investigation? Yeah, the press office are working on it now.
I can't talk about it.
I'm really sorry, love, I've got to go.
I'll see you later, all right? Bye.
(FRED'S VOICE) (LAUGHTER) DC LAW: What, overalls? FRED: Standard police issue, are they? Nothing but the best.
Damn stuff drive you mad, it does.
- What's that, then? - Fibreglass.
Been spraying this bloke's loft over Stroud way.
We don't have back-scratchers in the station, Fred.
- Is the car ready? - Don't I know you from somewhere? - Erm I'm sure you don't.
- You don't half look familiar.
(CHATTER) LAW: I'll be in the first car with Mr West and his solicitor Mr Ogden.
Ain't just Heather I buried in that garden.
- There's more.
- More? You wouldn't believe it.
Not that you can let on to the police I told you that, eh? You have got to keep everything I say in confidence.
But you're a good appropriate adult, you'll already know that.
DC SAVAGE: Mrs Leach.
OK? All ready? Let's go.
Right arm, please, Fred.
- Where's Rose? - On her way to Cheltenham Police Station.
She's also under arrest.
- That's a waste of her time and yours.
- Come on.
The work I put into this place! Knocking through here and building on there.
Years of back-break to get it looking tickety-boo.
I need to remind you you are under caution, Fred, you understand? Yes, thank you, Hazel.
Now you show us where you buried your daughter Heather.
The problem is remembering what you did when I'd try there.
- Is Bernard still around? - He's gone home.
- Get him back.
- We need a pathologist.
See there? What? And there? What am I supposed to be looking at? OK, we're going to get a forensic team to start examining that area.
We'll go back to the station now, apply for an extension of custody and resume our interview tomorrow.
Is there anything else you wish to say? Yes.
Will the appropriate adult be present? Can you attend? Erm Yeah, if you want me.
That's sorted, then.
She's been very helpful so far.
(CHILDREN TALKING) (CHILDREN'S VOICES) - I said yeah.
- Ssh! Come on, you said yesterday, that's not right.
MIKE: Been on that job over at Barnwood.
They've had cowboys in before.
What a mess, I'm having to re-skim it all.
I told them, I said, "This'll take weeks.
" - Hey, cut it out, you two.
- Hey! (CHILDREN CHATTER) - Mike - Hm? - Have you taken them? - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Gloucester Police Station, the date is 26th February 1994.
The time is 10:38.
I'm DC Law, my colleague here is DC Savage.
- Your full name, please.
- Frederick Walter Stephen West.
- And your legal representative - Howard Ogden.
- And acting as your appropriate adult - Janet Leach.
I've to remind that you are still under caution.
Do you understand? - Yes and me and him just had an argument.
- Discussion.
I'm telling you now what I just told him.
Heather is not in that garden.
She's alive and well and possibly at this moment in Bahrain.
She's been recruited to work for a drugs cartel as a drugs runner.
They treat her like a queen.
She gets in touch now and again to tell me she's all right.
She's using a false name.
I have no idea what that is and I will not let her tell me.
Now, whether or not you believe in that is entirely up to you.
But that's why you found nothing and you won't, not even if you dig till Kingdom Come.
And I don't care how much money and time you waste, cos you wasted mine.
- Not just now but in the past.
- There were previous allegations.
- There was nothing in them.
- Rape and buggery of your children.
- Which was never proven.
- You had me in prison, spat at by other prisoners, my younger kids put into care, where they still are, poor lambs, trying to force me to admit that I assaulted them - Trying to get to the truth, Fred.
- You turned my house upside down.
- And we'll do so again and the garden.
- 3,000 pounds that cost me And we'll keep on searching until we find Heather.
All because of some remark about her being under the patio! A remark made by your own daughter.
-Anne Marie said it was a family joke.
- A jopke.
There you are! To social workers who, like me, have had concerns about your family for a considerable time.
You're the beautifulest woman in Gloucester when you're angry, Hazel.
I'm just trying to get to the truth this time, Fred.
- You're being personal and vindictive.
- I'm being neither.
Against me and my Rose, who loves our family, who'd do anything for them.
Why are you saying this now, Fred? Last night you took us to the house with Mr Ogden and this lady, and you showed us a grave.
You inconvenienced me.
So, are you trying to inconvenience DC Savage to get back at her? You really saying there's nothing in that grave? Why are you smirking? Who's smirking? You said yesterday you wanted to get all this sorted out.
Then I spent the night in a cell thinking what I want is Rose back in our home.
I want my children back, I want my house and garden reinstated.
We are a family! Well, let's just ask Mrs Leach, as an independent lady, what she thinks.
Erm Well, he's clearly contradicting what he said last night.
Did you hear that, Fred? And I saw the smirk.
(KNOCK ON DOOR) For the benefit of the tape, PC Roberts has entered the room.
Nothing more hurtful than someone saying you don't love your kids.
Bet you feel the same way.
Bet you're a mother.
- That's completely irrelevant.
- Ah, but it's not, you see, cos I think you understand how deep my feelings are for my family.
Don't you? (DOOR OPENS) Time for a cuppa, I'd say, Hazel.
We can We can take a refreshment break shortly.
But first I'd like to discuss the information that Detective Superintendent Bennett's just sent from your house.
What information? They've found some bones in the garden.
Well, like I said, I I want to get all this sorted out.
Our pathologist is confident they're human.
If I accused you of inconveniencing me, then, Helen, I apologise.
Are you sure you buried Heather all in one place? You what? - You didn't scatter any of her body around the garden? - No.
Cos they found another body part in another part of the garden.
Well, I can't think how that could have got there.
What, are you suggesting it wasn't part of Heather? It must have been.
It was a thigh bone.
They've already found two thigh bones.
Heather didn't have three legs, did she? Well do you have any knowledge how this other bone could have got there, Fred? Yes.
Shirley.
Shirley who? Robinson.
The girl that caused all the trouble.
The girl with the red mini.
Thank you, yes.
You see, she lodged with us, and I had an affair with her and she got pregnant and she wanted to marry me and she said she was gonna tell Rose and there was a bit of an argument, got out of hand somehow and she ended up getting strangled.
And where was Rose at this time? - In the hospital having a baby.
- Which baby? Erm Babs.
No.
Er No, not Babs.
Erm Young Rosemarie.
I'd come back from seeing Rose in the hospital and (SNIFFS) Shirley and I had this row and I killed her.
How? Strangled her with a piece of flex.
Buried her in the garden? Yeah.
And her with a baby inside her, too.
Can't tell you how that's haunted me.
I mean, about the baby and (SIGHS) In killing Shirley, the the baby would have died, too.
(SOBS) I think we'll end there.
Does anyone have anything else to say? The time is 11:06 and the interview has ended.
Excuse me.
We've decided to leave the interviews for today.
- Oh, OK.
- ErmFred needs some clean clothes.
I wondered, could you go to the house with Mr Ogden and get them? Erm Yeah, all right.
And whilst you're at it, could you get some for Mrs West, too? - We're still holding her at Cheltenham.
- OK.
Erm Does he really have learning difficulties? So why do you need an appropriate adult? Detective Superintendent Bennett's concerned there's no suggestion, Mr West had difficulty understanding any of this.
(CAMERAS CLICKING) Can you give us anything at all? Can you give us any information atall? (SHOUTING CONTINUES) In you go.
PC: This way.
Right at the top, I think.
174, 174 Quebec Lima, over.
Quebec Lima, go ahead, over.
Can you do anything to improve access to the rear of the property? I'll look into it now, over.
OGDEN: Upstairs, I think.
342, 342, Quebec Lima, over.
Can you meet DC Kaminsky by the back door? He's got a message for you.
You did know she works as a prostitute? - I'd worked that out.
- Mm.
Clothes.
No, there's nothing in here.
(VOICES IN GARDEN) I thought you'd already searched in here.
- We're not the police.
- Who the fuck are you, then? - I'm your dad's solicitor.
- Well, who's this? Janet Leach, I'm acting as your father's appropriate adult.
His what? We've been sent to pick up some clean clothes.
Where is Dad? Cos no-one's told us anything.
Gloucester Police Station.
I'm afraid he's been arrested on suspicion of murder.
Murder of who? If it's murder then it'll be Mum, not Dad.
- Don't say that about Mum! - I'll say what fucking I like! Don't listen to him.
Mum's all right.
Dad's the one.
Tell Mum I hope she's all right and we want her home.
Please will you do that for me? (ENGINE RUNNING IN GARDEN) (SHOVELS CLANGING) - Mrs West.
- Jesus! You.
This lady's brought you some of your clothes.
What? You've been to my house, rooting round in my things? - The police asked me - Fucking cheek! We were just quickly in and out and we saw Stephen and Mae, and Mae said that she hoped you were all right.
By what right, by what right, you nosy fucking bitch, do you go in my house and speak to my children and poke about among my private things? - Rose - Jesus Christ! Rose, calm down.
Who are you, anyway? - Who are you? - She's helping us, Mrs West.
She's got no right touching my clothing and you've got no right arresting me! - All we want is to get to the truth.
- No, it ain't.
You want me to say Fred killed our Heather and I helped him.
- Did you? - No, I did not! How many fucking times? You've got nothing on me and you know it.
- Take her back to the cells, please.
- Right.
(RUMMAGES IN BAG) Don't touch me.
Oh, what are you so fucking scared of, you little mouse? Little mousey-mouse, wouldn't say boo to a fucking goose.
I bet you're a dirty little lezzie, too.
Mrs West! Innocent, isn't she? I said don't touch me, didn't I? I told you not to fucking touch me.
- Sorry about that.
- It's all right.
Look, have a seat, I'll get you a glass of water.
Occupational hazard, I'm afraid, that kind of abuse.
It's not that.
What is it, then? Things have happened and been said that I hadn't expected.
What things? Has Fred said anything privately to you about any of this? I can't tell you.
I owe a duty of confidence.
Of course.
But if he does try and give you information privately, you can advise him to speak to me.
I know, I've done the training.
You'd better get home.
What are you doing? It's Sunday.
I know.
They need me to go in again.
What? The police.
Bloody hell, Janet.
(PHONE RINGS) Hello.
Oh, yeah, yeah, I'm just going in now.
Coping? Of course I'm coping.
Who says I'm not? Pull out? No! So, you're saying if I carry on, you won't support me? OK, fine! (CHATTER) I want that statement on my desk first thing in the morning, you understand? Excuse me.
Can I ask? Have you said something to her? What? The organiser of the appropriate adult register.
Yes, yes, I have.
Did you tell her that I wasn't up to this? No, I did not.
Cos she rang me and asked me if I wanted to pull out.
I explained it was a very difficult and distressing case.
She's perfectly entitled to give you that opportunity.
Well, I won't.
Are you quite sure you still feel able to carry on? Yeah, absolutely.
Very well.
Janet! There's been a development.
What? Fred's indicated that there's another body in the garden.
- Who? - A girl called Alison Chambers.
I suspect he's told us cos we'll find the body anyway.
I want him to point out the grave.
Can you come to the house? Er Yeah, of course.
(CLANGING) (KEYS JANGLING) So, here, Fred, this here's where we found bones that you say may belong to Shirley Robinson.
Where did you bury Alison Chambers? Well, now - Now you're asking.
- Yes, I am asking, Fred.
Let's see.
No.
I don't think I can get it.
Oh, hold on, hold on, hold on.
I'm picking something up.
- Yeah, that's her.
- Alison? Yeah, she's trying to tell me something.
What's she trying to tell you, Fred? Where she is, but I I don't think I can understand what she's trying to Yeah, hold on, hold on.
Erm Yeah.
Try there.
Now that's your lot, you'll find no more.
What about Rena? - Rena? - Your first wife.
And what about Charmaine? - Charmaine? - Why are you looking at me like that? Rena had a daughter Charmaine, who became your step-daughter.
Where are they? Well, you lose you lose track of people, don't you? You said you'd lost track of Heather, but you killed her and buried her, in this garden.
And you did the same to Shirley Robinson and Alison Chambers.
You won't find Rena and Charmaine here, and that I swear.
And even if you don't believe me, I know the appropriate adult does, cos she understands me in a way that you lot don't.
Isn't that so? How could I understand you? You've killed people.
Because you're a woman who can see beneath the surface.
And a woman who knows remorse when she sees it.
Not like you lot.
The police have found two more bodies in the garden in Gloucester where the remains of the missing schoolgirl Heather West were discovered on Saturday.
Her father is charged with her murder.
The two new bodies are thought to be of adults but police say identification will be difficult.
They're checking registers of missing people.
Our West Of England reporter Steve Scott has the details Can I use that table? I can't concentrate in there.
Oh, yeah.
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the city's biggest-ever criminal investigation.
Is this the thing you're involved with? Forensic teams have unearthed three sets of human remains It is, isn't it? It obviously is, Josh.
She can't talk about it.
Do you think there are more bodies? I bet there are more, though, most people do.
Police have confirmed the man's wife has been released without charge.
Indications are that the police operation at 25 Cromwell Street could go on for many more days yet.
What's that number again, please? DC SAVAGE: Jacqui will show you out.
I know this is distressing but that information could be really useful.
We'll be in touch if we have any news at all.
- Ready for another session? - Yeah.
Who was that? Mr and Mrs Gough.
Gloucester couple whose daughter lodged with the Wests 20 years ago.
We found some belongings in the house we think may be hers.
You think she could be another victim? - Yup.
Where's this going to end? There are three bodies and that's it.
I said I'm willing to sort all that out.
I know I'll never go home again but I want my garden reinstated and I want Rose and the kids back home.
- She can't go back home! - Why not? You've released Rose.
She's with Mae and Stephen, the younger kids are in care.
We're still searching the property and the fact that we've released Rose doesn't mean that we belive she's innocent.
This is all wrong, see.
Did Rose know about your relationship with Shirley Robinson? No, she didn't.
Living under the same roof? Rose must have known she was pregnant.
- She didn't know I was the father.
- I suggest that she did.
I suggest she was jealous.
I suggest she helped you to kill her.
- We've found Shirley's body, Fred.
- I know.
It was me who showed you where it was.
So, can you explain why the baby wasn't inside her? What? The baby has not been left intact in the abdomen.
I need to take a break.
DC LAW: The time is 11:45, the interview has ended.
- Back in a minute, Fred.
- Can you sign this off, Mrs Leach? I need to speak to you.
DC SAVAGE: Yes, Mr Ogden, of course.
I need to see that report.
That would have been Rose.
What would? The baby.
Are you saying that Rose removed the baby from Shirley's womb? Oh, no, no.
No, no, Rose is a mother, she'd never do a thing like that.
I can't do this.
Don't go, please.
Give me one good reason why I should listen to this crap.
- I know you've suffered.
- What? - You don't know anything about me.
- I can see it in your eyes.
I know you've not always been properly loved and respected by men.
I've had enough of this.
You need to tell the police everything.
If you've killed other women, they need to know.
The girls' families need to know.
I'm not admitting nothing else to Mr Ogden or the police.
- I'm going and I'll not be coming back.
- You're my appropriate adult.
- I don't give a shit! - Please, please! Please, Janet, please stay! You're the only one I can trust.
On one condition.
You tell the police who else you've killed.
All right.
In writing, so you can't back-track.
I'll get Mr Ogden in.
- Mr Ogden.
- Yes? (CLEARS THROAT) Mr West wants to make a statement.
- Saying what? - Who else he's killed.
Really? Well What exactly do you want to say? Go on, Fred.
Here, Janet, come and sit here.
OGDEN: So, what shall we put? Go on.
"I, Frederick West, authorise my solicitor" (REPEATS) "Howard Ogden" Howard Ogden "to advise Superintendent Bennett" Superintendent Bennett Of? Of a a further eight killings.
Eight? All right, nine.
Well, is it eight or nine? Erm Shall we just put "approx"? That's it, "approx".
Good girl.
"Of a further nine approx, killings.
" - Is this his signature? - Yes.
These don't sound like his words.
Well, we drafted it for him, following his instructions.
We? He made this admission following a conversation with Mrs Leach.
I also got him to draw a map.
He said some bodies are in the garden, some are under the cellar floor and there's a body in a field.
It's all a bit vague.
Others to be identified.
We've made a start, trying to identify who they might be.
It's a huge breakthrough, sir.
Why did he come out with all of this? I told him that if he didn't start telling the truth, then I wouldn't help him any more.
That could be seen as putting him under duress.
How? I was just being honest and I told him it was you he should tell, not me, because what he tells me I have to keep in private, confidential.
You've done exactly the right thing.
I won't have to go to court, will I? Oh, I doubt that very much, Mrs Leach, you're the appropriate adult.
You're here to assist Mr West.
See, the problem I have down here, is the high water table.
No matter how much concrete you put down, you still get seepage.
Let's see what I can do for you.
Hm - I don't know.
- What don't you know, Fred? If I can feel If I can feel them.
I can feel their spirits reaching out to me but I'm getting the same message from all of them.
They're trying to tell me they're they're better off where they are.
They don't want to be disturbed.
This is a pile of crap! Either there are more bodies here or there aren't.
He's told us that there are.
He'd better not have come up with those nine to impress you.
- I don't think he has.
- Be wary of getting pally with him.
I'm not getting pally with him, I'm just trying to help.
Dig the floor up.
Take the house apart brick by brick if you have to.
This is getting out of hand.
People will start thinking he's taking the mickey out of us.
(DRILLING) Thanks.
- Janet Leach? - Yeah.
-Can we have a quick chat? - What about? - What you're doing with the police.
- Janet? Hi, Kirsty Stevens.
- Fuck off, Kirsty, I'm talking to her.
- Janet, before you make any decisions, please talk to me.
- What do you mean, decisions? - Cromwell Street.
- You clearly know the inside story.
- Who told you that? We have our ways.
I've got nothing to say to you.
(TV NEWS ON) It's me.
Hi, how's things? Look at this, it's a Jag XJ6 4.
2-litre coupe.
- What? - Yeah, there were only 6,000 made.
It's got full leather, automatic transmission, top speed of 120.
- "Immaculate throughout.
" - You're not thinking of buying a car? - He only wants four grand.
- We haven't got four grand.
- We can get it, easy.
- How? The newspapers.
Look what came through the door.
What? They want to buy your story.
- It could be worth thousands.
- I can't talk to the press.
I bet everyone else is.
- Who? - I don't know.
The police? How else does all this stuff get in the papers? It's a hell of a story, Janet.
It's just been on the news about there being more bodies.
Mike, this is ridiculous.
I'm doing this because it's vital, not to make money.
That's bonkers, if you ask me.
Well, I'll I'll have to rustle it up from somewhere else, then.
Is he all right? - What do you mean? - It's the sort of thing he starts doing, talking a lot, buying stuff he can't afford.
No, he's fine, he's taking his medication.
Yet another takeaway.
Yeah.
- We had to eat something.
- I'll give you the money.
How long's this going to go on? I don't know, love.
(BIRD CALLS) (VEHICLES APPROACH) Oh, it takes me back, this, you know.
Right back to boyhood.
Every inch, every blade of grass.
That's Letterbox Field there.
We've come to search for the remains of your first wife.
We're not sightseeing.
I know.
Lovely to get out of that police station, eh, Janet? Smell God's fresh air.
Try there.
Ok, lads.
We're over here.
That's the spot there.
Mark that, then, Darren.
That's it.
So, if you take that as your starting point Wouldn't mind a wander over there, too, Janet.
Why? - For old times' sake.
- What's so special about over there? See, I love Rose and I loved Rena, too, but Anna was the one.
Who's Anna? The true love of my life.
Anna was having a baby, too, but That was a baby I wanted.
I don't understand.
Are you all right? I was just asking Janet about my fish.
Fish? My tropical fish, who's feeding them? Let's get you back to the nick.
Mike, have you bought it? Yeah.
It's not the one I went after, in the end, it's another.
- Beautiful, isn't it? - How much was it? It's just immaculate.
The bloke I bought it from, he's a Jag specialist.
How much was it? - Nine grand.
- 9,000? You can't spend that kind of money on a car.
It's fine, I got it on HP.
We don't even need another car.
What is going on in here? We've got a new TV and a new video, too.
Even better deal than the car.
I got this new unit to put them on, but they haven't supplied enough fixings Mike, Mike, this is ridiculous, we're - Mike, Mike! - What? We're not getting a new TV or a new car.
Have you been taking your lithium? - Yeah, of course, yeah.
- Are you sure? No, you haven't, you've been missing days.
You can't afford to miss any days, you know that.
Right, kids, upstairs.
Go on.
Go! Mike, the car is going back, and the TV and the video.
- Why? - Just sit down.
Just sit down.
- No.
Why? Just sit down, go and sit down.
Come on, love.
Come on.
I'm going to have to get you into the hospital.
I'm going to go and call them now, all right? - I warned you.
- Just stay out of this, Josh.
None of this would have happened if you'd been thinking of us.
You'd far rather spend time with that murderer.
Just leave it, will you, Josh? Oh, hello, yeah, my name's Janet Leach and I'm calling about my partner.
Yeah, he's bi-polar and he's going into a high and I need to bring him in urgently.
He's finally dropped off.
He's clearly got very over-stimulated, though.
It could take days, maybe weeks, to get him fully stabilised again.
I see.
- Do you need me to stay? - No.
Would it be all right if I came back this afternoon about half-four? Fine.
(ON TAPE) ROSE: I'm admitting nothing cos I've got fucking nothing to admit.
MAE: So it's all Dad.
That's what I'm saying, Mae.
I'm as shocked about this as you are.
DC LAW: Rose has denied it to us, and to her daughter.
We've got nothing else on her.
So, unless Fred drops her in it Janet.
- Ready to crack on? - Yeah, but erm - I need to leave at four, I've got an urgent family matter.
- That's Fine.
Did you engage them in sadomasochistic acts? They were adventurous young girls.
So, how did you end up killing them? You even got the killing wrong.
You're trying to make out that I just went out and blatantly killed people.
It weren't like that.
Enjoyment turned to disaster.
We're all having difficulty understanding this.
Especially how these things can have gone on without Rose's knowledge.
- Rose was out.
- Out where? Shopping.
Whilst you had sex, murdered and buried them? She must have had an awful lot of shopping to do! She does.
It's a fair old walk to Tesco.
Mary Bastholme.
Carol Cooper.
Lucy Partington.
Shirley Hubbard.
Those women didn't stay at your house.
I don't believe they were known to you, they just disappeared from local bus stops.
(INTERROGATION FADES OUT) - Do you know where you were, then? - One more time Did Rose know about these sexual encounters? Did she participate in them? - Did Rose kill Charmaine? - Rose didn't kill no-one.
I killed Charmaine when I come out of Leyhill Prison.
For the last time, Rose had no part of this.
Your loyalty's very touching.
Do you think she feels the same about you? - Rose loves me.
- You're so confident about that you didn't mind her having sex with other men? - That's correct.
- So long as you knew about it.
- I always knew about it.
- So you knew she was seeing male clients at another premises in Gloucester? - What? - 22 Sunderland Street.
- That's rubbish! - We spoke to men who met her there for sex.
Do you find that upsetting, Fred? There were things in Rose's life you didn't know about.
Sexual relationships she kept to herself.
- No, I don't, cos you're making it up.
- No, I'm not Fred.
I bloody well know you are! Rose is all mine, she always has been.
And I would know, I'd know here if that ever changed.
Rose is my love, that was she is, and I ain't having you lot telling me otherwise.
- Sit down, please, Fred.
- Fred, you're not helping yourself.
The interview is ended at 15:47 by my watch.
This suggestion that Rose West was seeing men without Mr West's knowledge, any further disclosure about that? - You'd better come to the office.
- I want to be giving the correct advice.
- Don't rush off, Janet.
- I have to.
That's bullshit about Rose seeing other fellas in some place I don't know about.
I'm afraid I can't stay and discuss it now.
A man needs to know his wife has no secrets.
Would you keep secrets from your husband? - I'm not married.
- There's a lucky fella in your life.
I can tell.
- Mind your own bloody business.
- Please don't go.
Please.
There's something I want to tell you.
It's about Rose.
What about her? She was involved.
In how many of them? Lots.
The things I could tell you about what she done to some of them girls.
I may have started it, but .
.
she took over and did whatever she liked.
I mean it.
She did took that baby out of Shirley's body, not me.
That's the kind of woman she is.
If all that is true, how can you hold that back from the police? For the sake of the family.
I don't understand.
We made a pact, see, that I would take all the blame to myself.
On the day the police come with the warrant, I was out, Rose called me to warn me.
When I got home, the police give us five minutes alone and we agreed then that I'd tell them it was all me.
And I know you think it's wrong that Rose gets away with it and I pay the price, but that's the plan we made.
So she could look after the family and that plan is working, Anna.
- Why did you just call me Anna? - Sorry.
Janet.
I get confused.
My mind's spinning with all this I'm losing everything.
my family, my wife home.
And you, you're helping me through the most terrible time in my life.
You're my only friend.
- I'm not your friend, Fred.
- You are.
We're going on a journey together, Janet.
Neither of us knows where it's going to end but we're on it together.
I have to go.
Mrs Leach.
Yeah? We won't be needing you any more.
What? Your services on the inquiry are no longer required.
- Why? - I'm not obliged to give reasons.
You can't just drop me without any explanation.
- Yes, I can.
- No, you can't, not now.
What do you mean, not now? I can't answer that.
Well, clearly you found all this very distressing but thank you for your help.
I tell you, I'm sick of this, the fucking trouble your father caused me and those fucking police, yammering on at me.
What I done when, what your dad done when, who stayed in the fucking house.
Well, I'm not taking the blame for fucking nothing.
What you believe don't matter, Hazel.
It's what you can prove that matters.
(SHOUTING) I need you, Janet.
Please.
I thought I'd frightened you off.
What are you doing? I get the feeling that there's more that he wants to tell me.
I think there are more bodies.
I didn't kill Anna.
Believe me, Janet.
She guided me through you.
I don't know what you're talking about.
- Rose isn't even here.
- No, but she's in here.
She's in here.
For your own peace of mind, stop.
I can't.