Kindred Spirits (2016) s01e02 Episode Script
Shoebox Murder
1 THIS IS AMY.
I AM COMPLETELY ALONE RIGHT NOW.
ADAM.
WHAT? SOMETHING JUST WHISPERED IN MY EAR DOWN HERE.
SHE SAW TWO SCRATCHES GO LIKE THIS ACROSS MY FACE.
IT'S TRYING TO MESS WITH US.
[ INDISTINCT WHISPERING .]
WHAT IS THAT? SHOWING ME THROWING A BODY IN.
[ MOUTHING "WHAT?" .]
Bruni: HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF THE SHOEBOX MURDER? -- Captions by VITAC -- I'M AMY BRUNI.
AND I'M ADAM BERRY.
WE'VE SPEN A COMBINED 30 YEARS INVESTIGATING THE WORLD'S MOST TERRIFYING HAUNTINGS.
AFTER THOUSANDS OF CASES, WE ARE READY FOR OUR MOST IMPORTANT JOURNEY YET.
[ BOTH GASP .]
RESCUING FAMILIES TERRORIZED BY PARANORMAL ACTIVITY IN THEIR OWN HOMES.
WE UNCOVER THE TRUTH BEHIND THE HAUNTING TO HELP FAMILIES RECLAIM THEIR HOMES THANK YOU SO MUCH.
AND THEIR LIVES.
CAPTIONS PAID FOR BY DISCOVERY COMMUNICATIONS I WANT TO TELL YOU ALL ABOUT THIS CASE.
YEAH, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU DIDN'T BRING ME HERE TO EAT.
SO, OUR HOMEOWNERS ARE JEANNINE AND CHRIS.
LOTS OF ACTIVITY, BUT THERE'S ALSO A BIT OF VIOLENT ACTIVITY.
WOW.
THINGS LIKE THIS HAVE BEEN HAPPENING.
AND THAT SEEMS TO BE CENTERED AROUND CHRIS.
HE'S GOTTEN SCRATCHED ON THIS OCCASION, THEN HE'S ALSO BEEN SCRATCHED ON THE FACE.
THAT'S JUST ONE INCIDEN OF MANY.
-THAT'S A BIG DEAL.
-YEAH.
THEY HAVE THINGS MOVE ON THEIR OWN.
THEY HAVE SEEN A SHADOW FIGURE IN THE HOUSE.
-THAT'S WILD.
-I KNOW.
DOES IT HAPPEN ALL THE TIME? IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME -- ALMOST DAILY.
AND WHAT DO THEY THINK IT IS? SHE FEELS AS THOUGH IT MIGHT BE HER MOM.
I WOULD HOPE IT'S NOT, BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF WEIRD.
I MEAN, THE FAMILY WOULDN'T BE DOING THE AGGRESSIVE ACTIVITY.
AND IF IT'S NOT FAMILY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OU WHY THEY'RE THERE, WHO THEY ARE.
THIS CASE SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE MORE AGGRESSIVE.
THAN ANY OF THE OTHER ONES.
YEAH.
Berry: SO, WE'RE ABOUT TO STAR A CASE WHERE JEANNINE AND CHRIS ARE HAVING ACTIVITY IN THEIR HOUSE.
HI, I'M JEANNINE.
HI.
CHRIS.
HOW ARE YOU? CHRIS, NICE TO SEE YOU.
HI, I'M AMY.
HOW YOU DOING, AMY? GOOD TO MEET YOU.
AND IT SEEMS AS IF WHATEVER'S TRYING TO GET THEIR ATTENTION IS A MORE INTENSE FORCE, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WATCH OUR BACKS AND REALLY TRY TO FIGURE OU WHAT'S ATTACKING CHRIS.
SO, I MEAN, BASICALLY, HOW WE STAR IS WE'RE JUST GONNA GE KIND OF A GENERAL IDEA OF YOUR HOUSE AND WHERE YOU'VE HAD ACTIVITY.
BEFORE THAT, EVEN, CAN YOU JUST KIND OF GIVE US A LITTLE HISTORY OF THE HOUSE AND HOW YOU ENDED UP HERE? SURE.
FEBRUARY OF 1995, I PURCHASED THE HOME, AND I MOVED IN HERE.
THE HOUSE IS COMPLETELY DONE DIFFERENTLY THAN WHA IT WAS ORIGINALLY.
JUST ABOUT EVERY ROOM IN THIS HOUSE, IN SOME WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM HAS BEEN DONE OVER.
HAVE YOU ALWAYS HAD ACTIVITY HAPPENING, EVER SINCE YOU MOVED INTO THE HOUSE? -YES.
-INTERESTING.
WE HAD JUST TAKEN DOWN THAT WALL RIGHT BEHIND CHRIS TO OPEN THAT UP TO GO DOWN TO THE BASEMENT.
Berry: MM-HMM.
AND I HEAR "JEANNINE" IN A MAN'S VOICE.
SO I TURNED AROUND, THINKING IT WAS CHRIS, AND I SAID, "WHAT? CHRIS, WHAT DO YOU NEED?" MM-HMM.
AND I DIDN'T HE DIDN'T ANSWER BACK.
AS I TURN AROUND, A SHADOW -- BLACK SHADOW -- PROBABLY AROUND YOUR HEIGHT, MAYBE A LITTLE TALLER, WALKED ACROSS THAT WALL THROUGH THE DOOR AND THEN DOWN THE STAIRS.
BUT IT WASN' UP AGAINST THE WALL, LIKE A NORMAL SHADOW WOULD BE.
IT WAS AWAY FROM THE WALL.
OKAY, SO THIS SOLID WALL WAS HERE.
AND THIS -- DID THIS HAVE A DOOR OR NO? -NO.
-NO.
IT'S NEVER HAD A DOOR? WELL, IT DID.
MANY YEARS AGO.
WHEN I FIRST MOVED IN HERE, IT DID.
OKAY, SO THE WHOLE TIME ALL THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN DOING RENOVATIONS? -MM-HMM.
-MM-HMM.
IT SEEMS LIKE MORE I DO TO THE HOUSE, THE MORE WE SEE THINGS AND WE HEAR THINGS.
Berry: CHRIS SAYS HE RENOVATES AND THE ACTIVITY PICKS UP, WHICH LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT IT'S SOMEBODY THAT'S FAMILIAR WITH THE LAYOU AND DOESN'T LIKE WHAT THEY'RE DOING, AND IS JUST KIND OF HERE WREAKING HAVOC ON THE FAMILY.
I TOOK ALL THIS OUT.
AND JEANNINE WAS STANDING HERE, AND SHE SAID SHE SAW TWO SCRATCHES GO LIKE THIS ACROSS MY FACE.
-MM-HMM.
-REALLY? AND SHE'S LIKE, "YOU JUST GO TWO SCRATCHES ON YOUR FACE.
" I'M LIKE, "YEAH, OKAY.
" SHE'S LIKE, "GO IN THE MIRROR AND LOOK.
" I WENT IN THE MIRROR, I'M LOOKING LIKE THIS, AND NOW I SEE THE THIRD ONE COME JUST LIKE THAT.
ALL RIGHT.
YOU DON'T HAVE ANY, LIKE YOU NEVER HAD ANY DERMATITIS OR SKIN ALLERGIES OR ANYTHING EVER? NO, NO.
AND I'M NOT A BELIEVER.
I'D JUST BE LIKE, "THAT'S WEIRD.
" -YEAH.
-MM-HMM.
BUT THEN, WHEN I SAW THIS THING DOWNSTAIRS, I THINK THERE'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING HERE.
I WAS COMING IN HERE, AND WE HAD THE CURTAIN.
AND THE CURTAIN WAS OPEN A LITTLE BIT.
SO, AS I WAS WALKING INTO THIS ROOM HERE, I FELT LIKE SOMEBODY WAS STARING AT ME, AND I TURNED TO LOOK.
CLEAR AS DAY, I SAW THE SHAPE OF A MAN ALL IN BLACK.
WHEN I SAW THE FIGURE STANDING THERE, I JUST TURNED AROUND AND WENT RIGHT UPSTAIRS.
AND JEANNINE SAW ME THERE, AND SHE'S LIKE, "OH, YOU LOOK WHITE AS A GHOST.
" AND I WAS LIKE, "I JUST SAW A SHADOW OF A FIGURE STANDING IN OUR DOORWAY.
" Bruni: WEIRD.
THAT'S ONE THING YOU'LL FEEL A LOT DOWN HERE, IS LIKE SOMEBODY'S WATCHING YOU.
TWO SONS GOT THIS ROOM.
THEY USED TO SLEEP WITH THEIR EARPHONES IN, THEIR BLANKETS OVER THEIR HEAD, AND THE LIGHTS ON BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE ARGUING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.
-REALLY? -THEY WOULD HEAR IT? -THEY WOULD HEAR IT.
-IN THIS ROOM? PHYSICALLY HEAR I IN THIS ROOM.
SO, WHO DO YOU THINK IS CAUSING THE ACTIVITY IN THE HOUSE? I THINK IT'S MY MOTHER.
OKAY.
Chris: SHE DIDN'T LIKE ME.
UH-OH.
WHY? THEY GOT ALONG THE FIRST FEW YEARS THAT WE WERE TOGETHER, AND THEN AFTERWARDS, MY MOTHER GOT SICK WITH CANCER.
-MM-HMM.
-MM-HMM.
AND I THINK A LOT OF I AFFECTED HER BRAIN.
-OKAY.
-SURE, OKAY.
EVEN THOUGH IT WASN' BRAIN CANCER, BUT I THINK THE CHEMO, THE TREATMENT -- CHANGES EVERYTHING.
-YEP.
-YEAH, YEAH.
JEANNINE HAD A TORRID RELATIONSHIP WITH HER MOTHER TOWARD THE END OF HER MOTHER'S LIFE, AND SHE THINKS HER MOM IS THE CAUSE OF THE ACTIVITY.
BUT THE ACTIVITY THEY'RE DESCRIBING -- LIKE THE SCRATCHES THAT APPEARED ON CHRIS -- DON'T SOUND LIKE THE ACTIONS OF A FAMILY MEMBER.
I MEAN, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE A PRETTY EVIL MOM.
MY HUNCH IS THAT IT'S SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE HOSTILE.
I MEAN, THE SONS HEARD ARGUING, WHICH WOULD LEAD ME TO BELIEVE THERE'S MORE THAN ONE ENTITY HERE.
WE'LL ONLY KNOW FOR SURE BY MAKING CONTACT WITH THE SPIRI AND GETTING CONCRETE EVIDENCE IN TONIGHT'S INVESTIGATION.
Bruni: ADAM.
WHAT? SOMETHING JUST WHISPERED IN MY EAR DOWN HERE.
I'M SORRY, WHAT? I'M ALL BY MYSELF.
WAIT, WHAT HAPPENED? I JUST HEARD SOMETHING JUST WHISPER RIGHT IN MY EAR.
WHAT DID IT SAY? IT WAS JUST I COULDN'T MAKE OU WHAT IT WAS SAYING.
IT WAS -- IT JUS SOUNDED LIKE [HISSES.]
-THAT'S WEIRD.
-I KNOW.
THAT'S THE SAME THING THAT THEY TALK ABOUT ALL THE TIME, THOUGH, RIGHT? YEAH.
I WAS LITERALLY THINKING AT THE TIME, "I FEEL LIKE SOMETHING'S WATCHING ME.
" AND I REMEMBERED HER SAYING, "YOU'LL FEEL LIKE SOMETHING'S WATCHING YOU DOWN HERE.
" SHE TOLD ME THAT.
AND I AM GETTING CHILLS RIGHT NOW THINKING ABOUT IT.
IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GET OUR ATTENTION, CAN YOU DO THAT AGAIN FOR US? WHAT IS YOUR NAME? DID YOU JUST WHISPER IN MY EAR? CAN YOU DO IT AGAIN? ALL RIGHT, WELL, LET'S PLAY THIS BACK AND SEE IF IT'S QUIET.
YEAH.
MAYBE IT ONLY WANTS TO TALK TO ME.
LEAVE.
DON'T HAVE TELL ME TWICE.
ALL RIGHT.
[ THUD .]
WHOEVER IS DOWN HERE WITH ME -- WAIT, IS THERE SOMEBODY -- IS THERE SOMEBODY IN THE KITCHEN? WAIT.
WHAT, ARE YOU HEARING THAT NOISE? DID YOU NEAR THE KNOCK THAT CAME UP HERE? YEAH, YES.
WHAT WAS THAT? I DON'T KNOW.
IT WAS FROM, LIKE, THE BACK BEDROOM.
-REALLY? -YEAH.
IT WAS, LIKE, LITERALLY FROM THE BACK AREA OF THE HOUSE.
-REALLY? -YEAH.
[ THUD .]
WAIT, IS THAT IT AGAIN? I HEARD IT.
IT WAS LIKE A THUD.
YEAH.
KEEP GOING, KEEP GOING.
WHY DON'T YOU GO INVESTIGATE THAT.
I'LL STAY RIGHT HERE.
ALL RIGHT.
ALL RIGHT, WHOEVER'S HERE, WE THINK WE HEAR YOU.
[ THUD .]
THERE'S, LIKE, SOMETHING REALLY TRYING TO GE OUR ATTENTION RIGHT NOW.
WHO ARE YOU? KNOCK AGAIN FOR ME.
WHY ARE YOU HERE? CAN YOU SAY YOUR NAME, PLEASE, INTO THIS BEFORE I PLAY IT BACK? [ BEEP .]
[ STATIC .]
NOTHING.
THAT WAS ADAM.
NOTHING.
NOTHING ON THAT RECORDER.
SO IT'S JUS TOTALLY QUIET.
I MEAN, LET'S -- LET'S RECAP.
LET'S JUST GO BACK FOR A SECOND.
SO, WE WERE SETTING UP.
YOU WERE DOWNSTAIRS BY YOURSELF.
AND YOU HEARD A WHISPER.
THERE WAS NO ONE DOWN THERE? NO ONE.
I FEEL LIKE IT'S TRYING TO SCARE.
IT'S DEFINITELY TRYING TO INTIMIDATE.
LIKE, "I'M GONNA WAI FOR THEM TO BE ALONE AND PICK ON THE PEOPLE.
" THAT'S WHY I'M KIND OF WONDERING IF I SHOULD GO DOWN THERE COMPLETELY ALONE.
AND JUST TAKE A CAMERA.
I COULD, LIKE, FILM MYSELF WITH IT.
YEAH.
LET'S GET THAT.
I WANT TO GET THE EVIDENCE.
I WANT TO FIND OUT ANSWERS FOR THIS FAMILY.
AND SO, TO ME, GOING BY MYSELF DOWN INTO A DARK, SPOOKY BASEMEN IS THE LEAST I CAN DO.
YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA GET THE RESULTS THAT THEY NEED, THEN THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA DO.
THIS IS AMY.
I AM COMPLETELY ALONE RIGHT NOW.
SO, BASICALLY, AMY IS DOWNSTAIRS IN THE BASEMENT BY HERSELF.
I CAN SEE HER FROM ONE, TWO, THREE DIFFERENT ANGLES.
SO, I'M GONNA MONITOR HER TO SEE IF I SEE ANY MOVEMENT AROUND HER.
HOW MANY OF YOU ARE HERE? DO YOU KNOW WHO JEANNINE IS? [ Static .]
[ Indistinct speech .]
WHAT? SO, BASICALLY, AMY IS DOWNSTAIRS IN THE BASEMENT BY HERSELF.
I CAN SEE HER FROM THREE DIFFERENT ANG-- [ Static .]
[ Indistinct speech .]
WHAT? BRUNI: I got something on the recorder.
LISTEN TO THIS.
"YOU'RE NOT ALONE.
" OH, GOD.
"YOU'RE NOT ALONE.
" [ BEEP .]
[ RECORDING STOPS .]
THIS THING IS, LIKE, MESSING WITH US.
IT'S NOT TRYING TO TELL US SOME MESSAGE OR ANYTHING.
NO.
IT'S JUST -- I DON'T THINK IT'S HER FAMILY.
I MEAN, NOT AT THIS POINT.
HER FAMILY WOULD BE REACHING OU AND SAYING "HELLO," AND, LIKE -- NO, THIS THING'S JUST [BLEEP.]
WITH US.
IT'S JUS MESSING WITH US.
I THINK WHATEVER IS HERE IS PROBABLY ATTACHED TO THIS HOUSE IN SOME WAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S JEANNINE'S MOTHER OR IF IT'S SOMEONE ELSE, BUT BEFORE WE WRAP FOR THE NIGHT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS GHOST KNOWS THAT WE ARE IN CHARGE, NOT THEM.
SO, WHOEVER'S HERE, IF YOU SEPARATE US, IT DOESN'T AFFECT US.
IT DOESN'T MAKE US ANY MORE FRIGHTENED OR VULNERABLE, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR TOO LONG.
AND SO, WHATEVER IT IS YOU'RE TRYING TO DO, WE ARE NOT AFRAID.
YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SCARE US.
BUT, IF YOU LIKE A CHALLENGE, WE'RE UP FOR IT.
Berry: ALL RIGHT, COOL.
LET'S PACK IT UP FOR NOW.
I'M GOING TO START THE DAY TALKING TO JEANNINE TO FIND OU IF SHE KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT THE HOUSE'S HISTORY.
I ALSO WANT TO DIG DEEPER ABOUT WHY SHE THINKS HER MOM IS PRESENT.
NOW, JUST -- JUS TO GET STARTED, I KNOW THAT THINGS WEREN'T GREA WITH YOUR MOTHER AT THE END.
BUT, OTHER THAN THAT, WHAT WAS HER PERSONALITY LIKE? SHE WAS ALWAYS WITH KIDS.
I MEAN, EVEN AFTER SHE RETIRED FROM THE DAY CARE, SHE BECAME A LUNCH LADY A ONE OF THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS.
AWW.
SO, ANYTHING THAT I LEARNED ON HOW TO TAKE CARE OF MY KIDS CAME FROM HER.
OKAY.
ME AND HER WERE INSEPARABLE.
I MEAN, WE HAD, LIKE, A PERFECT I WAS JUST GONNA ASK THAT.
MOTHER-DAUGHTER RELATIONSHIP.
THE FIRST TIME SHE GOT CANCER, I STAYED EVERY NIGHT WITH HER AT THE HOSPITAL.
RIGHT.
I MEAN, WE REALLY HAD THAT TYPE OF A RELATIONSHIP AT THE TIME.
NOW, DID YOUR MOM EVER LIVE HERE? FOR TWO YEARS.
AND THEN THINGS STARTED TO FALL APART, BECAUSE SHE ENDED UP HAVING CANCER AGAIN.
AFTER YOUR MOM MOVED OUT, DID YOU GUYS SPEAK ANY MORE? THE WEEK BEFORE SHE DIED, I GOT AHOLD OF HER.
I SAID, "MOM, IT'S J.
J.
" AND I COULD HEAR -- IN THE BACKGROUND, I CAN HEAR THE BEEPING OF THE MACHINES.
MM-HMM.
AND SHE GOES, "I REALLY DON'T HAVE TIME FOR YOU RIGHT NOW," AND SHE HUNG UP ON ME.
AND THAT WAS THE LAST WORDS I EVER HEARD MY MOTHER SAY.
OH, MY GOODNESS.
AND ODDS ARE, SHE HAD NO IDEA WHERE SHE WAS AT, MEDICALLY, WHEN SHE TALKED TO YOU.
ABSOLUTELY NOT.
IS THERE ANY SPECIFIC ACTIVITY THAT HAPPENS THAT YOU WOULD ATTRIBUTE TO YOUR MOTHER, POTENTIALLY? THIS IS A COLLIE THAT MY MOTHER HAD.
I REMEMBER PLAYING WITH I WHEN I WAS A LITTLE GIRL.
YEAH.
IT DID FALL OFF THE TOP SHELF ALL ON ITS OWN.
-OH, IT DID? -YES.
YOU HAVE VERY DIFFEREN ACTIVITY HERE.
YOU HAVE KIND OF BENIGN STUFF.
AND THEN YOU HAVE STUFF, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, IS A LITTLE MORE AGGRESSIVE.
AND SO, IT SEEMS SO DIFFEREN THAT IT COULD VERY WELL BE MORE THAN ONE PERSON.
YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOU THE FORMER OWNERS? NOPE, OTHER THAN THEY WERE JUST HERE FOR A COUPLE YEARS.
OKAY.
WE NEED TO DO A LOT OF RESEARCH ON THE HISTORY OF THE HOUSE.
I'M GOING TO SEE WHAT I CAN FIND OUT ONLINE WHILE ADAM GETS MORE INFO FROM CHRIS.
HE'S LIVED IN THIS TOWN HIS ENTIRE LIFE, AND SHOULD GIVE US SOME CLUES.
Berry: CHRIS, THANK YOU, MAN, FOR TALKING WITH ME FOR A MINUTE.
I MEAN, WHAT I LIKE ABOUT YOU -- YOU'RE EXTREMELY RATIONAL.
MM.
LIKE, YOU'RE A MILITARY GUY.
MM-HMM.
LIKE, YOU DO NO JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS.
MM-HMM.
I KNOW I'M NOT NUTS.
YEAH.
YEAH, YEAH.
AND I KNOW WHAT I SAW, I KNOW WHAT I FELT, I KNOW WHAT I HEARD.
MM-HMM.
WHY DO YOU THINK JEANNINE THINKS IT'S HER MOM? SHE FEELS THA SHE DIDN'T GET TO, YOU KNOW, SAY GOOD-BYE TO HER MOM THE RIGHT WAY, LIKE SHE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO.
AND, I THINK, MAYBE, SHE THINKS HER MOM'S TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE MAKE AMENDS OR MAKE IT WORSE.
I DON'T KNOW.
DO YOU THINK IT'S THE MOM? I -- ME, PERSONALLY? -YEAH.
-I DON'T.
WHAT ABOU THE SCRATCHES? I MEAN, DO YOU THINK THE SCRATCHING -- SHE WAS ALIVE WHEN THOSE SCRATCHES HAPPENED.
THAT'S SO STRANGE.
YEP.
Berry: SO, THIS IS STARTLING INFORMATION, BECAUSE, AFTER TALKING WITH CHRIS, I REALIZE THE TIMELINE DOESN'T MATCH UP, BECAUSE THERE WAS VIOLENT PARANORMAL ACTIVITY WHILE JEANNINE'S MOM WAS STILL ALIVE.
SO THERE'S DEFINITELY NO WAY THE MOM COULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON HERE.
YOU HAVE ANY IDEA, LIKE, WHO YOU THINK IT MIGHT BE? THE LADY ACROSS THE STREET, WITH THE LIGHT THERE, SHE SAID THAT THE OLD MAN AND OLD LADY THAT LIVED HERE, THE OLD MAN WAS A NASTY GUY.
YEAH.
NOW, I WAS TOLD THA THE OLD MAN DIED IN HERE.
-THAT'S CRAZY.
-YEP.
Bruni: HOW WAS YOUR INTERVIEW WITH CHRIS? Berry: I LEARNED THAT CHRIS DOES NOT THINK IT'S HER MOTHER.
AND THERE'S A RUMOR ABOUT AN ANGRY MAN WHO DIED IN THIS HOUSE.
RIGHT.
I ASKED AROUND AND HEARD THAT SAME STORY.
SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS SAID THAT THERE WAS AN OLDER COUPLE WHO LIVED HERE AT ONE TIME AND THAT THE OLDER GENTLEMAN PASSED AWAY IN THE HOUSE.
SO I WAS TRYING TO DO SOME RESEARCH ON IT, AND I WAS ABLE TO TRACE BACK THE LAND AND WHO OWNED THE LAND BEFORE, AND, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPERS AND WHO BOUGHT IT.
AND, UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK THEY MAY HAVE BEEN RENTERS OR SOMETHING OKAY, YEAH.
SO WE DON'T HAVE THEIR NAMES.
BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THEIR NAMES.
BUT IT VERY WELL COULD HAVE HAPPENED, ESPECIALLY SINCE SO MANY OF THE NEIGHBORS REMEMBER THEM.
-MM-HMM.
-SO, I'M SURE IT HAPPENED.
I JUST DON'T KNOW WHO THEY WERE.
AND WE MAY NEVER FIND OUT.
WHILE WE'VE BEEN HAVING A LOT OF ACTIVITY, NOW WE'VE HIT A BRICK WALL.
I DO NOT KNOW HOW WE CAN GE MORE CONCRETE EVIDENCE TONIGHT, BECAUSE THIS ENTITY THAT'S INTERACTING WITH US IS VERY MISCHIEVOUS AND SEEMS TO BE PLAYING HARD TO GET.
I THINK THAT, SINCE WE'RE HAVING A LOT OF ACTIVITY THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY IDENTIFIABLE RIGHT.
I THINK IT'S TIME, MAYBE, WE BRING IN A PSYCHIC.
AND MY FRIEND STEPHANIE, SHE CAN COME DO A WALK THROUGH.
I'LL TAKE DOWN ALL THE FAMILY PHOTOS -- ANYTHING THAT MAY CLUE HER IN ONTO THIS FAMILY AT ALL.
YES.
OH, TAKE EVERYTHING DOWN.
AND WE'LL HAVE SOMEBODY GO PICK HER UP.
YEAH, HAVE SOMEBODY PICK HER UP.
SHE WON'T KNOW WHERE SHE'S GOING.
ANYTHING SHE SAYS ON HER OWN WOULDN'T BE YOU KNOW, DEFINITIVE.
RIGHT.
BUT IF SHE SAYS SOMETHING, AND THEN WE GET EVIDENCE TO BACK IT UP OR AN EXPERIENCE TO BACK IT UP, OR RESEARCH TO BACK IT UP, THAT'S HUGE.
YEAH, WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK.
SO, LET'S JUS KEEP THAT IN MIND.
ALL RIGHT.
COOL.
SOALL RIGHT.
I WILL GIVE HER A CALL, AND THEN WE CAN GET STARTED.
Bruni: STEPHANIE'S A TALENTED PSYCHIC WHO'S SOLVED SOME PRETTY MYSTIFYING CASES, AND I'M HOPING SHE CAN HELP GET US GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
HI.
-HOW ARE YOU? GOOD.
IT'S SO GOOD TO SEE YOU.
I KNOW.
IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
YOU'RE WELCOME.
SO, THIS IS THE DEAL.
OKAY.
WE'RE JUST GONNA DO JUST, BASICALLY, A WALK THROUGH OF THE HOUSE.
AND YOU JUST KIND OF TELL US YOUR IMPRESSIONS.
AND JUST, NO MATTER HOW CRAZY IT IS -- NOTHING WILL SHOCK US.
GOOD TO KNOW.
SO, ARE YOU READY? -I THINK SO.
-OKAY.
I'LL GO THIS WAY FIRST.
I'M BEING PULLED IN THIS DIRECTION FIRST.
IT'S PITCH DARK.
YEAH, I KNOW.
DON'T TURN A LIGHT ON YET.
I SAW A MAN STANDING IN THAT CORNER.
Stephanie: DON'T TURN THE LIGHT ON YET.
I SAW A MAN STANDING IN THA CORNER, WEARING OVERALLS -MM-HMM.
-AND HE TOOK OFF THAT WAY.
OKAY.
SO, I'M GONNA GO SEE IF I CAN FIND HIM.
WHERE DOES THIS LEAD ME TO? PHEW, OKAY.
OKAY.
UM, HE LIKES TO BOUNCE AROUND.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE WENT.
HEY, LET'S GO BACK THIS WAY.
YEAH.
ARE YOU FEELING ANYONE THAT MIGHT BE THEIR FAMILY? THAT VERY WELL COULD BE.
I FEEL LIKE EVERYTHING THA I'VE ENCOUNTERED SO FAR IS DEFINITELY CONNECTED TO THE HOUSE OR THE LAND.
OKAY.
WHATEVER'S HERE MM-HMM.
WOULD IT, LIKE, SCRATCH PEOPLE? UM YES.
OKAY.
I FEEL LIKE IT'S A SCARE TACTIC.
LIKE, HE'S JUST TRYING TO SCARE WHOEVER IS HERE.
WHAT IS HE TRYING TO DO -- ANY IDEA? TRYING TO HAVE, LIKE, THE PLACE TO HIMSELF, I GUESS.
THE MAN IN THE BASEMENT'S DEMEANOR SEEMS ALMOS A NEGATIVE ENERGY.
IT'S NOT THAT FRIENDLY.
MM-HMM.
I KEEP HEARING, "I WATCH THEM.
" I FEEL LIKE IT'S ALMOS LIKE A SCARE TACTIC.
YEAH.
LIKE, "I'M GONNA BE SUPER CREEPY SO THAT WAY YOU GUYS ALL RUN OUT, AND I CAN CONTINUE DOING WHAT I'M DOING.
" OKAY.
I JUST HAD SOMEBODY POP IN.
I THINK I MIGHT HAVE TO EXPLORE THE BACKYARD.
OKAY.
THERE'S A LOT OF ENERGY HERE, LIKE, CONNECTED TO THE LAND.
IT'S TOTALLY SEPARATE FROM EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S GOING ON.
IT'S TWO SEPARATE PEOPLE.
MM-HMM.
Berry: SO YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S, WHAT, THERE'S A GUY IN THERE? THERE'S A GUY IN THE BASEMENT, YES.
BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO SOMETHING OUT HERE.
YES.
[ SIGHS .]
WHAT IS THIS GUY SHOWING ME? -IT'S A GUY? -YEAH, MM-HMM.
HE KEEPS -- HE'S NOT SAYING ANYTHING.
ALL HE KEEPS DOING IS, LIKE, SHOWING ME, LIKE, FLASHES OF PICTURES.
HE'S SHOWING ME, LIKE, PULLING UP TO THIS AREA BY HORSE.
HE'S SHOWING ME, LIKE, A SET OF KNIVES.
SHOWING ME THROWING A BODY IN.
I KEEP GETTING A PULL UP.
I CAN'T EVEN SEE THAT FAR.
-LIKE UP-OVER? -YEAH.
LIKE, THERE'S A LOT THAT'S HAPPENING AT THE MOMENT.
IS HE COMING FROM HERE, OR IS IT LIKE? IT WANTS ME TO WALK UP THAT WAY.
I KEEP FEELING, LIKE, THIS OLD ENERGY COMING FROM, LIKE, THAT AREA.
ALL THE ENERGY I KEEP PICKING UP KEEPS, LIKE, ROLLING BACK TO, LIKE, A TIME BEFORE.
CAN YOU TELL IF WHAT'S HERE EVER GOES IN THERE? I'M TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
OKAY.
UM HE'S TELLING ME HE'S OUTSIDE AND HE'S INSIDE.
I THINK THAT'S ALL HE'S GONNA GIVE ME FOR NOW.
ALL RIGHT.
THAT'S GOOD, THOUGH.
UNTIL SOMETHING ELSE -THAT'S FINE.
-YEAH.
WE'LL JUST FOLLOW UP ON THAT STUFF.
STEPHANIE PICKED UP ON NOT ONE, BUT TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES ON JEANNINE AND CHRIS' PROPERTY.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE ONE OF THEM WAS INVOLVED IN SOME KIND OF VIOLENT INCIDENT.
I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO GO ON, BUT THE TOWN HALL HAS A WEALTH OF ARCHIVAL RECORDS THAT COULD MAKE SOME SENSE OF WHAT STEPHANIE ENCOUNTERED.
I DID FIND OUT SOMETHING SUPER CREEPY AND WEIRD.
MM, WHAT? IN 1886 BASICALLY, THIS GUY WAS OUT WALKING HIS DOG, AND HE STUMBLED ACROSS THIS LARGE SHOEBOX THAT HAD CARRIED A BUNCH OF SMALLER SHOEBOXES, BASICALLY.
AND HE NOTICED A WEIRD SMELL COMING FROM IT, AND SO HE LEFT AND CAME BACK WITH A BUNCH OF PEOPLE, AND THEY ALL OPENED IT TOGETHER.
AND IN IT, THEY FOUND A MALE TORSO [ GULPS .]
WRAPPED IN TAR PAPER, MISSING HIS ARMS, HIS HEAD, HIS LEGS -- LITERALLY ON THIS LAND.
AND IT'S UNSOLVED.
I WANTED TO SEE JUS HOW CLOSE IT WAS TO HERE, BECAUSE ON, LIKE, YOU KNOW, A MAP, IT LOOKS -- IF YOU TAKE ROADS, IT'S LIKE A MILE -- JUST OVER A MILE.
RIGHT.
BUT IF YOU JUST WALK UP THIS HILL [CHUCKLES.]
BASICALLY -- IT'S RIGHT THERE.
OH, MY GOD.
AND THERE'S A ROAD UP THERE CALLED "SHOEBOX DRIVE.
" BUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD DIDN'T WAN TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH IT ANYMORE, SO THEY GOT RID OF THE NAME.
BUT IF YOU LOOK ON, LIKE -- I WAS USING MY GPS, AND IT STILL SAYS "SHOEBOX DRIVE" WHEN YOU GO UP AND DRIVE UP TO IT.
WHAT'S WEIRD IS THAT I WAS READING, LIKE, A PARANORMAL TEAM'S WEBSITE.
PEOPLE ALL OVER THIS NEIGHBORHOOD REPOR PARANORMAL PHENOMENA BECAUSE THEY FEEL THA THAT GUY HAUNTS THIS WHOLE AREA.
IT'S SO WEIRD.
I'LL SHOW YOU.
THIS -- THIS IS THE ORIGINAL ARTICLE? THAT'S ONE OF THE ORIGINAL ARTICLES.
-AUGUST 9th.
-AUGUST 9th.
IT'S NOW.
IT'S NOW.
THAT'S LITERALLY TODAY -- LIKE LITERALLY TODAY.
SO, WHAT IS THAT -- 130 YEARS AGO EXACTLY? YEAH.
EXACTLY 130 YEARS AGO.
MM-HMM.
Bruni: 1886.
SO, WHAT IS THAT -- 130 YEARS AGO EXACTLY? YEAH.
EXACTLY 130 YEARS AGO.
MM-HMM.
I SAY, LET'S GET INTO THE CAR AND GO TO THE SHOEBOX ROAD.
Berry: STEPHANIE CLEARLY PICKED UP ON THE MURDERER, AND OUR RESEARCH VERIFIED IT.
AND SINCE THE SPIRI SHE ENCOUNTERED A JEANNINE AND CHRIS' WAS TRYING TO LEAD HER UP THE HILL TO WHAT MAY HAVE BEEN THE MURDER SITE, WE FIGURE IT'S THE BEST PLACE TO GET MORE DEFINITIVE ANSWERS.
WE'RE JUST ARRIVING ON SHOEBOX ROAD.
SO, WE'RE JUST GONNA TRY AND DO A QUICK EVP SESSION WITHOUT RILING UP THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
-I MEAN -OKAY.
Berry: HERE, HERE.
BRING THAT OUT.
[ INSECTS CHIRPING .]
HELLO? IF ANYONE IS HERE, MY NAME IS AMY, AND THIS IS ADAM.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR A MAN.
WE HEARD THERE WAS A MURDER HERE.
AND A BOX WAS FOUND, AND THERE WAS A TORSO OF A MAN.
ARE YOU HIM? HERE, YOU HOLD THIS.
I'M GONNA GET THE UMBRELLA.
HERE, LET'S LISTEN.
WHOA.
DID YOU HEAR THAT? YEAH.
DID YOU HEAR THAT? -"YES.
" -"YES," RIGHT? YES! HE'S TALKING TO US.
JUST GONNA RUN IT AGAIN.
WHO DID THIS TO YOU? TELL US YOUR STORY, AND WE WILL MAKE SURE THE WORLD KNOWS.
WE JUST WAN TO HELP YOU.
SEE IF WE GOT ANYTHING ON THAT.
NOTHING.
JUST GOT THAT ONE ANSWER.
MM-HMM.
[ SIGHS .]
ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO.
YEAH, LET'S GO.
I'M GONNA LISTEN TO IT AGAIN WHEN WE GET TO THE HOUSE SO WE CAN HEAR IT BETTER.
YEAH, IT'S QUIETER.
THAT "YES" WAS VERY CLEAR.
RIGHT.
IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A WHISPER, LIKE, RIGHT NEX TO THE RECORDER -- "YES.
" WE KNOW SOMETHING ANSWERED THIS, "YES.
" WE ASSUME IT'S WHO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE SAME PERSON IN THIS HOUSE YET.
WE DON'T KNOW YET.
BUT THAT IS THE QUESTION TO FIND OUT.
Bruni: WE HAVE TWO SUSPECTS THAT COULD BE CAUSING THE PARANORMAL ACTIVITY IN THIS HOUSE -- THE GRUMPY, OLD PREVIOUS TENANT, OR THE SHOEBOX MURDER VICTIM.
SINCE CHRIS IS A TRIGGER FOR A LOT OF THE ACTIVITY -- LIKE ALL THE MYSTERIOUS SCRATCHES ACROSS HIS BODY -- WE'RE BRINGING HIM FOR TONIGHT'S INVESTIGATION, AS WELL AS STEPHANIE, TO SEE IF SHE PICKS UP ON ANY NEW CLUES.
CHRIS, THIS IS MY FRIEND STEPH.
STEPHANIE IS A PSYCHIC MEDIUM.
FIRST THING SHE DID IS SHE WENT DOWN IN THE BASEMENT, AND SHE WENT RIGH TO THAT BACK WALL AND SAID, "THERE'S A MAN RIGHT THERE, AND HE JUST RAN INTO THAT HALLWAY.
" -SERIOUSLY? -YEAH.
Chris: IS HE, LIKE, AN OLDER GUY? HE SEEMS OLDER, AND ABOUT MY HEIGHT, OR BETWEEN ADAM AND I.
-THAT'S THE -- -YEAH? WE HAVE SOME THEORIES ABOU WHO IT MIGHT BE.
WE HAVE SOME THEORIES ABOU WHY THEY'RE DOING IT.
HAVE YOU EVER HEARD ABOUT A STORY OF -- ABOUT THE STORY OF THE SHOEBOX MURDER? IN 1886, RIGHT UP THE HILL, THERE WAS THIS KIND OF LARGE BOX.
THEY OPEN UP THE BOX, AND THEY FIND A MALE TORSO -- NO ARMS, NO LEGS, NO HEAD.
IT WAS LITERALLY RIGHT UP THE HILL FROM HERE.
AND PEOPLE HAVE REPORTED PARANORMAL ACTIVITY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEY BELIEVE IT IS CONNECTED TO THAT.
I'VE BEEN HERE ALL MY LIFE -- 58 YEARS.
I'VE NEVER HEARD ANYBODY TALK ABOUT THAT, EVER.
I MEAN, THERE'S SOMETHING HERE THAT'S VERY MISCHIEVOUS, THAT LIKES TO GET OUR ATTENTION AND PLAY GAMES WITH US.
AND SHE MENTIONED, WHATEVER'S HERE, POSSIBLY, IS DOING AN INTIMIDATION TACTIC.
SO, WHETHER OR NO IT IS THIS GENTLEMAN WHO WAS FOUND MURDERED, OR WHETHER OR NO IT IS THIS GUY -- THE GRUMPY, OLD MAN WHO USED TO LIVE HERE -- WE WANTED YOU TO COME AND INVESTIGATE, BECAUSE YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE IN THE HOUSE THAT HAS HAD ANY KIND OF ACTIVITY THAT'S SORT OF VIOLENT.
IT LEANS TOWARD THE VIOLENT.
MM-HMM.
WE'RE TALKING ABOU SCRATCHES ON THE BACK, THE SCRATCHES ON THE CHEEK.
AND HAVING YOU HERE MAY DRAW THE SPIRIT OUT.
THAT WAY, WE COULD FIGURE OUT WHO IT IS.
-MM.
-YEAH.
Bruni: WE'RE READY TO GO? -OKAY.
-ALL RIGHT.
LET'S GO, GUYS.
WHOEVER IS HERE WITH US, WE BROUGHT CHRIS HOME TONIGHT.
ARE YOU THE ONE THAT'S BEEN TRYING TOSCRATCH CHRIS? YEAH, I CAN HEAR RESPONSES IN MY HEAD AS YOU GUYS ARE TALKING.
REALLY? I JUST HEARD, "I WANT TO STAY HERE.
" WHY WOULD YOU TRY TO SCARE THE FAMILY? Berry: ARE YOU MAD AT CHRIS? -OKAY.
-YOU KNOW WHAT'S WEIRD? I SWEAR TO GOD, I CAN -- I THOUGHT I WAS HEARING SOMEONE TALK OUT OF THIS EAR HERE.
-WEIRD.
-YEAH.
I'M ACTUALLY JUST SITTING HERE.
THAT'S WHY I WAS SO QUIET.
I'M LISTENING.
I CAN HEAR SOMEONE TALK LIKE SHE WAS -- LIKE, WHISPERING.
AND I'D SWEAR TO GOD THAT SHE WAS TALKING.
SO, LET ME SEE.
[ BEEP .]
[ STATIC .]
-I NEVER HEARD THAT.
-SOMETHING "QUIET"? IT SOUNDS LIKE, SOMETHING "QUIET.
" -YEAH.
-LET ME SEE IT FOR A SECOND.
Stephanie: BUT IT'S MULTIPLE SYLLABLES.
YEAH.
"I NEED QUIET.
" "I NEED QUIET.
" Bruni: [ GASPS .]
"I NEED QUIET.
" YEAH.
-YEAH, "I NEED QUIET.
" -YEP.
WHERE IT'S LIKE IT SENDS CHILLS THROUGH YOU.
AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE VOICE THAT, LIKE, WE WERE GETTING THAT, "YOU'RE NOT ALONE.
" YEAH.
I WENT INTO THE BASEMEN ALL BY MYSELF, AND I SAID, "THIS IS AMY.
I'M DOWN HERE TOTALLY ALONE.
" AND A VOICE SAYS, "YOU'RE NOT ALONE.
" -"YOU'RE NOT ALONE.
" -"YOU'RE NOT" -- IT SOUNDS JUST LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, THAT, TO ME, SOUNDS LIKE WHA WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH -- THIS THING THAT DOESN' REALLY WANT TO TALK TO US.
IT'S JUST KIND OF LIKE, "I'M OVER YOU.
" AND I FEEL LIKE IT'S ACTING OU AT YOU GUYS A LITTLE BI BECAUSE, I MEAN, I CAN TELL JUST BEING HERE, YOU HAVE A HOUSE THAT YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN AND OUT ALL THE TIME.
IT'S ALWAYS GOING, YEAH.
AND THAT WHATEVER IS HERE DOES NOT LIKE THAT.
MM.
IT IS LIKE, "I NEED QUIET.
" MM-HMM.
SO I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF IT'S ONE OF THE FORMER HOMEOWNERS.
BUT, I MEAN, THAT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE SOMEBODY WHO, IS THEIR SPACE, AND THEY ARE LIKE, "STOP.
THAT IS ENOUGH.
" OLD MAN AND OLD LADY THAT LIVED HERE MM-HMM.
NOW, I WAS TOLD THA THE OLD MAN DIED IN HERE.
BUT IF YOU GUYS DIDN'T FIND THAT, YOU DIDN'T FIND THAT.
YEAH.
WE HAVEN'T FOUND IT YET.
THE OLD MAN WAS A NASTY GUY.
-REALLY? -YEAH.
-OKAY.
-SO JUST TO HEAR THAT VOICE -- -THAT SOUNDS LIKE AN OLD MAN.
-YEAH, LIKE AN OLD MAN.
AND IT'S TRYING HARD TO, LIKE, MAKE IT SO IT'S JUST NOT FRIENDLY SO EVERYBODY WILL JUST GO AWAY.
USUALLY, WHEN WE DO THESE CASES, THERE'S, LIKE, LOTS OF LITTLE LAYERS MM-HMM.
AND THEN WE'RE ABLE TO PINPOINT, LIKE, ONE OR TWO THAT ACTUALLY MAKE SENSE TO THIS LOCATION.
THIS LOCATION HAS MULTIPLE LAYERS.
YEAH.
LIKE, IT DOESN'T -- THERE'S NOT JUST ONE PERSON IN THIS SPACE.
NO.
ALL THE ACTIVITY THAT'S TRYING TO SCARE US, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S PROBABLY THE PREVIOUS HOMEOWNER "YOU'RE NOT ALONE.
" WHO'S ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR SCRATCHING CHRIS.
BUT I DO THINK THAT IT'S NOT EVIL.
-NO.
-IT'S GRUMPY.
BUT THEN, WHATEVER IS OUT THERE, MAYBE THAT -- THE SHOEBOX MURDER VICTIM.
I FEEL LIKE THAT PERSON DOES WANDER THROUGH.
STEPHANIE WAS PINPOINTING TO THE THINGS WHERE IT'S LIKE, IT WAS SPOT-ON.
HE'S SHOWING ME, LIKE, A SET OF KNIVES.
SHOWING ME THROWING A BODY IN.
EVERYTHING SHE WAS SAYING RELATED TO THE SHOEBOX MURDER.
BUT ONE THING WE DIDN'T GE WAS ANYTHING ON THE MOM.
THAT'S WHO JEANNINE THOUGHT WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ACTIVITY.
Jeannine: THIS IS A COLLIE THAT MY MOTHER HAD.
IT DID FALL OFF THE TOP SHELF ALL ON ITS OWN.
I MEAN, MY HUNCH IS THA HER FAMILY'S TALKING TO HER.
RIGHT.
AND I THINK JEANNINE NEEDS TO COME IN.
SO, IF SHE COMES IN, HOPEFULLY SHE'LL GE AN ANSWER FROM THEM.
BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA COME TO US.
BUT I THINK SHE MIGHT BE THE KEY TO GETTING A RESPONSE FROM THEM.
WE HAVE A DIRECTION TO GO IN.
ALL RIGHT.
SO, LET'S GET READY FOR TONIGHT.
MM-HMM.
AND LET'S TALK TO JEANNINE.
YES.
TO ME, OUR INVESTIGATION ISN'T DONE UNTIL WE RULE OU ALL THE POSSIBILITIES.
AND WE CAN'T RULE OU THAT JEANNINE'S MOM ISN'T HERE.
FROM OUR YEARS OF EXPERIENCE DOING THIS, WE KNOW THAT FAMILY SPIRITS COULD BE MORE ATTACHED TO THE PEOPLE RATHER THAN THE HOUSE.
SO, BY BRINGING JEANNINE IN, WE'RE HOPING SHE'LL BE THE TRIGGER FOR HER MOTHER.
SO, LAST NIGH WE GOT SOME RESULTS, BUT I DON'T THINK WE REALLY GO ANYTHING THAT MADE US THINK WE WERE TALKING TO ANY OF YOUR RELATIVES.
OH.
AND WE LIKE, SOMETIMES, TO HAVE YOU ACTUALLY INVESTIGATE WITH US, BECAUSE IT HELPS US A LOT WHEN -- THEY'RE MORE FAMILIAR WITH YOU THAN THEY ARE WITH US.
OKAY, SO WHOEVER'S HERE WITH US, JEANNINE IS HERE NOW, TOO, BECAUSE WE THOUGH YOU MIGHT WANT TO TALK TO HER.
IS THERE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SAY TO HER? MOM, IF YOU'RE AROUND, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO TELL ME, TALK TO ME ABOUT? YOU AND I HAD A BIG FALLING OU THAT I'M STILL CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED.
AND YOU PASSED WITHOUT KNOWING YOU WERE GONNA PASS.
DO YOU FORGIVE ME, AS I HAVE FORGIVEN YOU? LET'S SEE IF WE GOT ANY ANSWERS.
[ BEEP .]
-WHAT WAS THAT? -WOW.
THAT -- OH, MY GOD.
I JUST GOT THE CHILLS.
THAT'S HER VOICE.
IT IS? THAT'S MY MOTHER.
-WHAT WAS THAT? -WOW.
THAT'S MY MOTHER'S VOICE.
OH, MY GOD.
I JUST GOT THE CHILLS.
[ INDISTINCT SPEECH .]
Berry: WHAT IS SHE SAYING? SHE'S SAYING SOMETHING, BUT I CAN'T BUT IT ALMOST SOUNDS LIKE THREE SYLLABLES.
BUT THAT'S HER TONE.
THAT MIGHT BE HER FIRST BIG GO AT, LIKE, USING WHATEVER ENERGY IT TAKES TO GET THAT OUT.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT CLEAR, BUT AT LEAST SHE'S TRYING.
THAT WAS WILD TO HEAR HER VOICE.
HOW ARE -- ARE YOU OKAY? LIKE I SAID, THE LAST WORDS SHE SAID TO ME WAS, "I DON'T HAVE TIME FOR YOU RIGHT NOW," AND SHE HUNG UP ON ME.
AND NOW JUST TO HEAR HER VOICE AGAIN YES.
I MEAN, IMMEDIATELY LIKE, I GOT THE CHILLS JUST RUN RIGHT THROUGH ME.
AND, SUDDENLY, THOSE LAST WORDS AREN'T HER LAST WORDS TO YOU ANYMORE.
-NO.
-MNH-MNH.
IT'S WHATEVER SHE'S SAYING RIGHT THERE, WHICH IS WILD.
YEAH.
YOU KNOW, THAT TOOK AWAY THAT LITTLE BIT OF HURT, LIKE YOU SAID YEAH.
OF ALL THOSE YEARS.
I GOT TO GET A [ SNIFFLES .]
[ EXHALES .]
A LITTLE BIT.
ARE YOU ALL RIGHT? OH, YEAH.
IT'S JUST -- THANK YOU, AMY.
I KNOW.
THAT'S SO HARD.
THAT'S SO TOUGH.
-YOU KNOW? -I KNOW.
TO NOT HAVE THAT AS HER LAST WORDS TO ME ANYMORE.
[ SNIFFLES .]
I KNOW IT'S TOUGH.
THANK YOU, ADAM.
YOU'RE WELCOME.
THANK YOU.
I'M GLAD WE COULD PROVIDE IT.
THANK YOU.
Berry: I THINK LOSING A PAREN AT ANY POINT IS VERY TOUGH.
BUT LOSING A PARENT, AND THE LAST THING THEY SAY TO YOU IS, "I DON'T HAVE TIME FOR YOU," IS DEVASTATING.
HAVING JEANNINE SIT DOWN AND ACTUALLY TALK TO HER MOM AND HAVING HER MOM COME THROUGH THAT ONE LITTLE TIME IS REALLY GREAT.
I MEAN, IT'S SOMETHING THA HER MOTHER WANTED TO MAKE HAPPEN AND SOMETHING THA JEANNINE REALLY NEEDED.
THERE WERE A LOT MORE SPIRITS HERE THAN WE EXPECTED, AND I HOPE THAT THE HOMEOWNERS ARE READY TO HEAR WHAT WE HAVE TO SHARE.
I THINK THAT THE FIRST THING WE SHOULD PROBABLY TALK ABOU IS YOUR FAMILY.
Berry: MM-HMM.
THE ONLY TIME WE EVER GO ANYTHING REGARDING YOUR FAMILY WAS WHEN YOU WERE THERE AND WHEN YOU HEARD YOUR MOM'S VOICE.
WHILE SHE CAME HERE AND GAVE A LITTLE MESSAGE AND LEFT, SHE'S NOT THE ONLY THING THAT WE FOUND, OF COURSE.
SHE'S NOT.
IN 1886, THERE WAS A VERY LARGE SHOEBOX.
VERY BIG.
AND INSIDE, THEY DISCOVERED A MALE TORSO.
IT WAS NEVER SOLVED.
BUT THE THING IS THA THE SHOEBOX MURDER HAPPENED DIRECTLY UP THE HILL BEHIND YOUR HOUSE.
WHILE DOING MY RESEARCH, I ALSO DISCOVERED THAT HOMES IN THIS AREA HAVE REPORTED STRANGE ACTIVITY GOING ON.
DO WE THINK HE'S HERE ALL THE TIME? NO.
DO WE THINK HE'S THE ONE CAUSING ALL THE DRAMA? -NO.
-NO.
AND SO, THAT BRINGS US TO SUSPECT NUMBER THREE.
THERE'S A SHADOW FIGURE THAT YOU GUYS SEE PRETTY REGULARLY.
AND STEPHANIE CAME IN THE HOUSE, SHE WENT DOWN INTO THE BASEMENT, AND SHE WENT, "THERE'S A MAN STANDING THERE.
HE JUST DARTED BACK INTO THAT ROOM.
" HE'S MISCHIEVOUS AND HOSTILE, BUT ULTIMATELY JUST WANTS TO BE LEFT ALONE.
THIS IS WHERE WE STARTED REALIZING IT WAS REALLY TRYING TO MESS WITH US.
LISTEN.
-WHAT WAS THAT? "YOU'RE NOT ALONE.
" YEAH, SO THEN THAT BRINGS US TO OH, MY GOD.
OUR INVESTIGATION WITH CHRIS.
-YEAH.
-MM-HMM.
LIKE, "I WANT YOU TO BE QUIET.
" LIKE, IT'S TRYING -- IT'S JUST EXASPERATED, AND IT'S LIKE, "I NEED QUIET.
" LIKE, THAT'S WHAT IT WANTS.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE THINK THAT THE PERFECT EXPLANATION IS A GRUMPY, OLD MAN.
-MM-HMM.
-SOMEONE WHO LIVED HERE.
HE'S THE PERSON THA IS PROBABLY RESPONSIBLE FOR MOS OF YOUR ACTIVITY.
I MEAN, ALL OF THESE VOICES SOUND THE SAME -- THE "YOU'RE NOT ALONE VOICE," THE GRUFF VOICE, THE "I NEED QUIET" VOICE.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE HE'S MAD.
LIKE, HE'S LIKE, "WHO YOU MESSING WITH?" LIKE, BEING A WISE-ASS.
YEAH.
THIS IS WHY WE THINK THA WHEN YOU'RE RENOVATING, THINGS STAR GETTING MORE ACTIVE.
MORE ACTIVITY WHEN WE TEAR THINGS APART.
-RIGHT.
-EXACTLY.
AND SO, THIS IS WHY, YOU KNOW, YOU ESPECIALLY, BECAUSE YOU'RE THE MAN OF THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, HE YOU MIGHT HAVE TO PUT HIM IN HIS PLACE SOMETIMES, AND, LIKE, REALLY BE FIRM WITH HIM.
SO, JUST TAKE THE UPPER HAND.
AND IF YOU'RE GONNA RENOVATE, SAY, "HEY, LISTEN, I'M GONNA DO SOME RENOVATION WORK, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW.
" MM-HMM.
AND HE IS PROBABLY DOING THINGS TO INTIMIDATE YOU BECAUSE HE JUST WANTS YOU TO KIND OF GO AWAY.
[ CHUCKLES .]
AIN'T GONNA MAKE ME GO.
[ LAUGHS .]
SO, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS NOW? WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? AWESOME.
BECAUSE IT HAPPENED TO ME, AND I KNOW WHAT I HEARD, I KNOW WHAT I SAW, AND STUFF LIKE THIS.
AND IT'S RIGHT THERE -- PROOF THAT I'M NOT CRAZY, AND NEITHER IS SHE.
-YEAH.
-YEAH.
I'M GLAD YOU GUYS CAME HERE, BECAUSE FOR SURE.
NOW YOU MADE ME FEEL BETTER FOR HER, TOO.
DEFINITELY MADE ME FEEL BETTER, BECAUSE IT'S JUST -- KNOWING ABOUT MY MOTHER YEAH.
AND THE LAST WORDS THAT SHE SAID TO ME.
NOW, LIKE YOU SAID, I HAVE NEW LAST WORDS.
MM-HMM.
YEAH.
AND IT'S NICE KNOWING THAT I HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO THINK ABOUT NOW INSTEAD OF THOSE WORDS.
I'M GLAD WE COULD DO THA FOR YOU.
-YEAH, THAT'S AWESOME.
-THANK YOU.
THIS WEEK HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY THERAPEUTIC.
NOW THAT JEANNINE KNOWS HER MOM HAS BEEN TRYING TO MAKE AMENDS, SHE CAN FINALLY LET GO OF HER GRIEF.
Jeannine: I KEPT THE PHOTOS OF MY MOTHER IN A CLOSE FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS.
NOW I AM PUTTING HER PICTURE BACK IN THE BEDROOM.
IT JUST FELT GOOD TO SEE HER AGAIN.
Bruni: AND KNOWING THA THE SOURCE OF ALL THEIR ACTIVITY IS NOTHING BU A HARMLESS, GRUMPY, OLD MAN SHOULD SET JEANNINE AND CHRIS' MINDS AT EASE, ALLOWING THEM TO MOVE CONFIDENTLY AHEAD WITH FUTURE RENOVATIONS.
I AM COMPLETELY ALONE RIGHT NOW.
ADAM.
WHAT? SOMETHING JUST WHISPERED IN MY EAR DOWN HERE.
SHE SAW TWO SCRATCHES GO LIKE THIS ACROSS MY FACE.
IT'S TRYING TO MESS WITH US.
[ INDISTINCT WHISPERING .]
WHAT IS THAT? SHOWING ME THROWING A BODY IN.
[ MOUTHING "WHAT?" .]
Bruni: HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF THE SHOEBOX MURDER? -- Captions by VITAC -- I'M AMY BRUNI.
AND I'M ADAM BERRY.
WE'VE SPEN A COMBINED 30 YEARS INVESTIGATING THE WORLD'S MOST TERRIFYING HAUNTINGS.
AFTER THOUSANDS OF CASES, WE ARE READY FOR OUR MOST IMPORTANT JOURNEY YET.
[ BOTH GASP .]
RESCUING FAMILIES TERRORIZED BY PARANORMAL ACTIVITY IN THEIR OWN HOMES.
WE UNCOVER THE TRUTH BEHIND THE HAUNTING TO HELP FAMILIES RECLAIM THEIR HOMES THANK YOU SO MUCH.
AND THEIR LIVES.
CAPTIONS PAID FOR BY DISCOVERY COMMUNICATIONS I WANT TO TELL YOU ALL ABOUT THIS CASE.
YEAH, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU DIDN'T BRING ME HERE TO EAT.
SO, OUR HOMEOWNERS ARE JEANNINE AND CHRIS.
LOTS OF ACTIVITY, BUT THERE'S ALSO A BIT OF VIOLENT ACTIVITY.
WOW.
THINGS LIKE THIS HAVE BEEN HAPPENING.
AND THAT SEEMS TO BE CENTERED AROUND CHRIS.
HE'S GOTTEN SCRATCHED ON THIS OCCASION, THEN HE'S ALSO BEEN SCRATCHED ON THE FACE.
THAT'S JUST ONE INCIDEN OF MANY.
-THAT'S A BIG DEAL.
-YEAH.
THEY HAVE THINGS MOVE ON THEIR OWN.
THEY HAVE SEEN A SHADOW FIGURE IN THE HOUSE.
-THAT'S WILD.
-I KNOW.
DOES IT HAPPEN ALL THE TIME? IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME -- ALMOST DAILY.
AND WHAT DO THEY THINK IT IS? SHE FEELS AS THOUGH IT MIGHT BE HER MOM.
I WOULD HOPE IT'S NOT, BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF WEIRD.
I MEAN, THE FAMILY WOULDN'T BE DOING THE AGGRESSIVE ACTIVITY.
AND IF IT'S NOT FAMILY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OU WHY THEY'RE THERE, WHO THEY ARE.
THIS CASE SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE MORE AGGRESSIVE.
THAN ANY OF THE OTHER ONES.
YEAH.
Berry: SO, WE'RE ABOUT TO STAR A CASE WHERE JEANNINE AND CHRIS ARE HAVING ACTIVITY IN THEIR HOUSE.
HI, I'M JEANNINE.
HI.
CHRIS.
HOW ARE YOU? CHRIS, NICE TO SEE YOU.
HI, I'M AMY.
HOW YOU DOING, AMY? GOOD TO MEET YOU.
AND IT SEEMS AS IF WHATEVER'S TRYING TO GET THEIR ATTENTION IS A MORE INTENSE FORCE, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WATCH OUR BACKS AND REALLY TRY TO FIGURE OU WHAT'S ATTACKING CHRIS.
SO, I MEAN, BASICALLY, HOW WE STAR IS WE'RE JUST GONNA GE KIND OF A GENERAL IDEA OF YOUR HOUSE AND WHERE YOU'VE HAD ACTIVITY.
BEFORE THAT, EVEN, CAN YOU JUST KIND OF GIVE US A LITTLE HISTORY OF THE HOUSE AND HOW YOU ENDED UP HERE? SURE.
FEBRUARY OF 1995, I PURCHASED THE HOME, AND I MOVED IN HERE.
THE HOUSE IS COMPLETELY DONE DIFFERENTLY THAN WHA IT WAS ORIGINALLY.
JUST ABOUT EVERY ROOM IN THIS HOUSE, IN SOME WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM HAS BEEN DONE OVER.
HAVE YOU ALWAYS HAD ACTIVITY HAPPENING, EVER SINCE YOU MOVED INTO THE HOUSE? -YES.
-INTERESTING.
WE HAD JUST TAKEN DOWN THAT WALL RIGHT BEHIND CHRIS TO OPEN THAT UP TO GO DOWN TO THE BASEMENT.
Berry: MM-HMM.
AND I HEAR "JEANNINE" IN A MAN'S VOICE.
SO I TURNED AROUND, THINKING IT WAS CHRIS, AND I SAID, "WHAT? CHRIS, WHAT DO YOU NEED?" MM-HMM.
AND I DIDN'T HE DIDN'T ANSWER BACK.
AS I TURN AROUND, A SHADOW -- BLACK SHADOW -- PROBABLY AROUND YOUR HEIGHT, MAYBE A LITTLE TALLER, WALKED ACROSS THAT WALL THROUGH THE DOOR AND THEN DOWN THE STAIRS.
BUT IT WASN' UP AGAINST THE WALL, LIKE A NORMAL SHADOW WOULD BE.
IT WAS AWAY FROM THE WALL.
OKAY, SO THIS SOLID WALL WAS HERE.
AND THIS -- DID THIS HAVE A DOOR OR NO? -NO.
-NO.
IT'S NEVER HAD A DOOR? WELL, IT DID.
MANY YEARS AGO.
WHEN I FIRST MOVED IN HERE, IT DID.
OKAY, SO THE WHOLE TIME ALL THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN DOING RENOVATIONS? -MM-HMM.
-MM-HMM.
IT SEEMS LIKE MORE I DO TO THE HOUSE, THE MORE WE SEE THINGS AND WE HEAR THINGS.
Berry: CHRIS SAYS HE RENOVATES AND THE ACTIVITY PICKS UP, WHICH LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT IT'S SOMEBODY THAT'S FAMILIAR WITH THE LAYOU AND DOESN'T LIKE WHAT THEY'RE DOING, AND IS JUST KIND OF HERE WREAKING HAVOC ON THE FAMILY.
I TOOK ALL THIS OUT.
AND JEANNINE WAS STANDING HERE, AND SHE SAID SHE SAW TWO SCRATCHES GO LIKE THIS ACROSS MY FACE.
-MM-HMM.
-REALLY? AND SHE'S LIKE, "YOU JUST GO TWO SCRATCHES ON YOUR FACE.
" I'M LIKE, "YEAH, OKAY.
" SHE'S LIKE, "GO IN THE MIRROR AND LOOK.
" I WENT IN THE MIRROR, I'M LOOKING LIKE THIS, AND NOW I SEE THE THIRD ONE COME JUST LIKE THAT.
ALL RIGHT.
YOU DON'T HAVE ANY, LIKE YOU NEVER HAD ANY DERMATITIS OR SKIN ALLERGIES OR ANYTHING EVER? NO, NO.
AND I'M NOT A BELIEVER.
I'D JUST BE LIKE, "THAT'S WEIRD.
" -YEAH.
-MM-HMM.
BUT THEN, WHEN I SAW THIS THING DOWNSTAIRS, I THINK THERE'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING HERE.
I WAS COMING IN HERE, AND WE HAD THE CURTAIN.
AND THE CURTAIN WAS OPEN A LITTLE BIT.
SO, AS I WAS WALKING INTO THIS ROOM HERE, I FELT LIKE SOMEBODY WAS STARING AT ME, AND I TURNED TO LOOK.
CLEAR AS DAY, I SAW THE SHAPE OF A MAN ALL IN BLACK.
WHEN I SAW THE FIGURE STANDING THERE, I JUST TURNED AROUND AND WENT RIGHT UPSTAIRS.
AND JEANNINE SAW ME THERE, AND SHE'S LIKE, "OH, YOU LOOK WHITE AS A GHOST.
" AND I WAS LIKE, "I JUST SAW A SHADOW OF A FIGURE STANDING IN OUR DOORWAY.
" Bruni: WEIRD.
THAT'S ONE THING YOU'LL FEEL A LOT DOWN HERE, IS LIKE SOMEBODY'S WATCHING YOU.
TWO SONS GOT THIS ROOM.
THEY USED TO SLEEP WITH THEIR EARPHONES IN, THEIR BLANKETS OVER THEIR HEAD, AND THE LIGHTS ON BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE ARGUING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.
-REALLY? -THEY WOULD HEAR IT? -THEY WOULD HEAR IT.
-IN THIS ROOM? PHYSICALLY HEAR I IN THIS ROOM.
SO, WHO DO YOU THINK IS CAUSING THE ACTIVITY IN THE HOUSE? I THINK IT'S MY MOTHER.
OKAY.
Chris: SHE DIDN'T LIKE ME.
UH-OH.
WHY? THEY GOT ALONG THE FIRST FEW YEARS THAT WE WERE TOGETHER, AND THEN AFTERWARDS, MY MOTHER GOT SICK WITH CANCER.
-MM-HMM.
-MM-HMM.
AND I THINK A LOT OF I AFFECTED HER BRAIN.
-OKAY.
-SURE, OKAY.
EVEN THOUGH IT WASN' BRAIN CANCER, BUT I THINK THE CHEMO, THE TREATMENT -- CHANGES EVERYTHING.
-YEP.
-YEAH, YEAH.
JEANNINE HAD A TORRID RELATIONSHIP WITH HER MOTHER TOWARD THE END OF HER MOTHER'S LIFE, AND SHE THINKS HER MOM IS THE CAUSE OF THE ACTIVITY.
BUT THE ACTIVITY THEY'RE DESCRIBING -- LIKE THE SCRATCHES THAT APPEARED ON CHRIS -- DON'T SOUND LIKE THE ACTIONS OF A FAMILY MEMBER.
I MEAN, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE A PRETTY EVIL MOM.
MY HUNCH IS THAT IT'S SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE HOSTILE.
I MEAN, THE SONS HEARD ARGUING, WHICH WOULD LEAD ME TO BELIEVE THERE'S MORE THAN ONE ENTITY HERE.
WE'LL ONLY KNOW FOR SURE BY MAKING CONTACT WITH THE SPIRI AND GETTING CONCRETE EVIDENCE IN TONIGHT'S INVESTIGATION.
Bruni: ADAM.
WHAT? SOMETHING JUST WHISPERED IN MY EAR DOWN HERE.
I'M SORRY, WHAT? I'M ALL BY MYSELF.
WAIT, WHAT HAPPENED? I JUST HEARD SOMETHING JUST WHISPER RIGHT IN MY EAR.
WHAT DID IT SAY? IT WAS JUST I COULDN'T MAKE OU WHAT IT WAS SAYING.
IT WAS -- IT JUS SOUNDED LIKE [HISSES.]
-THAT'S WEIRD.
-I KNOW.
THAT'S THE SAME THING THAT THEY TALK ABOUT ALL THE TIME, THOUGH, RIGHT? YEAH.
I WAS LITERALLY THINKING AT THE TIME, "I FEEL LIKE SOMETHING'S WATCHING ME.
" AND I REMEMBERED HER SAYING, "YOU'LL FEEL LIKE SOMETHING'S WATCHING YOU DOWN HERE.
" SHE TOLD ME THAT.
AND I AM GETTING CHILLS RIGHT NOW THINKING ABOUT IT.
IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GET OUR ATTENTION, CAN YOU DO THAT AGAIN FOR US? WHAT IS YOUR NAME? DID YOU JUST WHISPER IN MY EAR? CAN YOU DO IT AGAIN? ALL RIGHT, WELL, LET'S PLAY THIS BACK AND SEE IF IT'S QUIET.
YEAH.
MAYBE IT ONLY WANTS TO TALK TO ME.
LEAVE.
DON'T HAVE TELL ME TWICE.
ALL RIGHT.
[ THUD .]
WHOEVER IS DOWN HERE WITH ME -- WAIT, IS THERE SOMEBODY -- IS THERE SOMEBODY IN THE KITCHEN? WAIT.
WHAT, ARE YOU HEARING THAT NOISE? DID YOU NEAR THE KNOCK THAT CAME UP HERE? YEAH, YES.
WHAT WAS THAT? I DON'T KNOW.
IT WAS FROM, LIKE, THE BACK BEDROOM.
-REALLY? -YEAH.
IT WAS, LIKE, LITERALLY FROM THE BACK AREA OF THE HOUSE.
-REALLY? -YEAH.
[ THUD .]
WAIT, IS THAT IT AGAIN? I HEARD IT.
IT WAS LIKE A THUD.
YEAH.
KEEP GOING, KEEP GOING.
WHY DON'T YOU GO INVESTIGATE THAT.
I'LL STAY RIGHT HERE.
ALL RIGHT.
ALL RIGHT, WHOEVER'S HERE, WE THINK WE HEAR YOU.
[ THUD .]
THERE'S, LIKE, SOMETHING REALLY TRYING TO GE OUR ATTENTION RIGHT NOW.
WHO ARE YOU? KNOCK AGAIN FOR ME.
WHY ARE YOU HERE? CAN YOU SAY YOUR NAME, PLEASE, INTO THIS BEFORE I PLAY IT BACK? [ BEEP .]
[ STATIC .]
NOTHING.
THAT WAS ADAM.
NOTHING.
NOTHING ON THAT RECORDER.
SO IT'S JUS TOTALLY QUIET.
I MEAN, LET'S -- LET'S RECAP.
LET'S JUST GO BACK FOR A SECOND.
SO, WE WERE SETTING UP.
YOU WERE DOWNSTAIRS BY YOURSELF.
AND YOU HEARD A WHISPER.
THERE WAS NO ONE DOWN THERE? NO ONE.
I FEEL LIKE IT'S TRYING TO SCARE.
IT'S DEFINITELY TRYING TO INTIMIDATE.
LIKE, "I'M GONNA WAI FOR THEM TO BE ALONE AND PICK ON THE PEOPLE.
" THAT'S WHY I'M KIND OF WONDERING IF I SHOULD GO DOWN THERE COMPLETELY ALONE.
AND JUST TAKE A CAMERA.
I COULD, LIKE, FILM MYSELF WITH IT.
YEAH.
LET'S GET THAT.
I WANT TO GET THE EVIDENCE.
I WANT TO FIND OUT ANSWERS FOR THIS FAMILY.
AND SO, TO ME, GOING BY MYSELF DOWN INTO A DARK, SPOOKY BASEMEN IS THE LEAST I CAN DO.
YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA GET THE RESULTS THAT THEY NEED, THEN THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA DO.
THIS IS AMY.
I AM COMPLETELY ALONE RIGHT NOW.
SO, BASICALLY, AMY IS DOWNSTAIRS IN THE BASEMENT BY HERSELF.
I CAN SEE HER FROM ONE, TWO, THREE DIFFERENT ANGLES.
SO, I'M GONNA MONITOR HER TO SEE IF I SEE ANY MOVEMENT AROUND HER.
HOW MANY OF YOU ARE HERE? DO YOU KNOW WHO JEANNINE IS? [ Static .]
[ Indistinct speech .]
WHAT? SO, BASICALLY, AMY IS DOWNSTAIRS IN THE BASEMENT BY HERSELF.
I CAN SEE HER FROM THREE DIFFERENT ANG-- [ Static .]
[ Indistinct speech .]
WHAT? BRUNI: I got something on the recorder.
LISTEN TO THIS.
"YOU'RE NOT ALONE.
" OH, GOD.
"YOU'RE NOT ALONE.
" [ BEEP .]
[ RECORDING STOPS .]
THIS THING IS, LIKE, MESSING WITH US.
IT'S NOT TRYING TO TELL US SOME MESSAGE OR ANYTHING.
NO.
IT'S JUST -- I DON'T THINK IT'S HER FAMILY.
I MEAN, NOT AT THIS POINT.
HER FAMILY WOULD BE REACHING OU AND SAYING "HELLO," AND, LIKE -- NO, THIS THING'S JUST [BLEEP.]
WITH US.
IT'S JUS MESSING WITH US.
I THINK WHATEVER IS HERE IS PROBABLY ATTACHED TO THIS HOUSE IN SOME WAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S JEANNINE'S MOTHER OR IF IT'S SOMEONE ELSE, BUT BEFORE WE WRAP FOR THE NIGHT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS GHOST KNOWS THAT WE ARE IN CHARGE, NOT THEM.
SO, WHOEVER'S HERE, IF YOU SEPARATE US, IT DOESN'T AFFECT US.
IT DOESN'T MAKE US ANY MORE FRIGHTENED OR VULNERABLE, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR TOO LONG.
AND SO, WHATEVER IT IS YOU'RE TRYING TO DO, WE ARE NOT AFRAID.
YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SCARE US.
BUT, IF YOU LIKE A CHALLENGE, WE'RE UP FOR IT.
Berry: ALL RIGHT, COOL.
LET'S PACK IT UP FOR NOW.
I'M GOING TO START THE DAY TALKING TO JEANNINE TO FIND OU IF SHE KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT THE HOUSE'S HISTORY.
I ALSO WANT TO DIG DEEPER ABOUT WHY SHE THINKS HER MOM IS PRESENT.
NOW, JUST -- JUS TO GET STARTED, I KNOW THAT THINGS WEREN'T GREA WITH YOUR MOTHER AT THE END.
BUT, OTHER THAN THAT, WHAT WAS HER PERSONALITY LIKE? SHE WAS ALWAYS WITH KIDS.
I MEAN, EVEN AFTER SHE RETIRED FROM THE DAY CARE, SHE BECAME A LUNCH LADY A ONE OF THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS.
AWW.
SO, ANYTHING THAT I LEARNED ON HOW TO TAKE CARE OF MY KIDS CAME FROM HER.
OKAY.
ME AND HER WERE INSEPARABLE.
I MEAN, WE HAD, LIKE, A PERFECT I WAS JUST GONNA ASK THAT.
MOTHER-DAUGHTER RELATIONSHIP.
THE FIRST TIME SHE GOT CANCER, I STAYED EVERY NIGHT WITH HER AT THE HOSPITAL.
RIGHT.
I MEAN, WE REALLY HAD THAT TYPE OF A RELATIONSHIP AT THE TIME.
NOW, DID YOUR MOM EVER LIVE HERE? FOR TWO YEARS.
AND THEN THINGS STARTED TO FALL APART, BECAUSE SHE ENDED UP HAVING CANCER AGAIN.
AFTER YOUR MOM MOVED OUT, DID YOU GUYS SPEAK ANY MORE? THE WEEK BEFORE SHE DIED, I GOT AHOLD OF HER.
I SAID, "MOM, IT'S J.
J.
" AND I COULD HEAR -- IN THE BACKGROUND, I CAN HEAR THE BEEPING OF THE MACHINES.
MM-HMM.
AND SHE GOES, "I REALLY DON'T HAVE TIME FOR YOU RIGHT NOW," AND SHE HUNG UP ON ME.
AND THAT WAS THE LAST WORDS I EVER HEARD MY MOTHER SAY.
OH, MY GOODNESS.
AND ODDS ARE, SHE HAD NO IDEA WHERE SHE WAS AT, MEDICALLY, WHEN SHE TALKED TO YOU.
ABSOLUTELY NOT.
IS THERE ANY SPECIFIC ACTIVITY THAT HAPPENS THAT YOU WOULD ATTRIBUTE TO YOUR MOTHER, POTENTIALLY? THIS IS A COLLIE THAT MY MOTHER HAD.
I REMEMBER PLAYING WITH I WHEN I WAS A LITTLE GIRL.
YEAH.
IT DID FALL OFF THE TOP SHELF ALL ON ITS OWN.
-OH, IT DID? -YES.
YOU HAVE VERY DIFFEREN ACTIVITY HERE.
YOU HAVE KIND OF BENIGN STUFF.
AND THEN YOU HAVE STUFF, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, IS A LITTLE MORE AGGRESSIVE.
AND SO, IT SEEMS SO DIFFEREN THAT IT COULD VERY WELL BE MORE THAN ONE PERSON.
YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOU THE FORMER OWNERS? NOPE, OTHER THAN THEY WERE JUST HERE FOR A COUPLE YEARS.
OKAY.
WE NEED TO DO A LOT OF RESEARCH ON THE HISTORY OF THE HOUSE.
I'M GOING TO SEE WHAT I CAN FIND OUT ONLINE WHILE ADAM GETS MORE INFO FROM CHRIS.
HE'S LIVED IN THIS TOWN HIS ENTIRE LIFE, AND SHOULD GIVE US SOME CLUES.
Berry: CHRIS, THANK YOU, MAN, FOR TALKING WITH ME FOR A MINUTE.
I MEAN, WHAT I LIKE ABOUT YOU -- YOU'RE EXTREMELY RATIONAL.
MM.
LIKE, YOU'RE A MILITARY GUY.
MM-HMM.
LIKE, YOU DO NO JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS.
MM-HMM.
I KNOW I'M NOT NUTS.
YEAH.
YEAH, YEAH.
AND I KNOW WHAT I SAW, I KNOW WHAT I FELT, I KNOW WHAT I HEARD.
MM-HMM.
WHY DO YOU THINK JEANNINE THINKS IT'S HER MOM? SHE FEELS THA SHE DIDN'T GET TO, YOU KNOW, SAY GOOD-BYE TO HER MOM THE RIGHT WAY, LIKE SHE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO.
AND, I THINK, MAYBE, SHE THINKS HER MOM'S TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE MAKE AMENDS OR MAKE IT WORSE.
I DON'T KNOW.
DO YOU THINK IT'S THE MOM? I -- ME, PERSONALLY? -YEAH.
-I DON'T.
WHAT ABOU THE SCRATCHES? I MEAN, DO YOU THINK THE SCRATCHING -- SHE WAS ALIVE WHEN THOSE SCRATCHES HAPPENED.
THAT'S SO STRANGE.
YEP.
Berry: SO, THIS IS STARTLING INFORMATION, BECAUSE, AFTER TALKING WITH CHRIS, I REALIZE THE TIMELINE DOESN'T MATCH UP, BECAUSE THERE WAS VIOLENT PARANORMAL ACTIVITY WHILE JEANNINE'S MOM WAS STILL ALIVE.
SO THERE'S DEFINITELY NO WAY THE MOM COULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON HERE.
YOU HAVE ANY IDEA, LIKE, WHO YOU THINK IT MIGHT BE? THE LADY ACROSS THE STREET, WITH THE LIGHT THERE, SHE SAID THAT THE OLD MAN AND OLD LADY THAT LIVED HERE, THE OLD MAN WAS A NASTY GUY.
YEAH.
NOW, I WAS TOLD THA THE OLD MAN DIED IN HERE.
-THAT'S CRAZY.
-YEP.
Bruni: HOW WAS YOUR INTERVIEW WITH CHRIS? Berry: I LEARNED THAT CHRIS DOES NOT THINK IT'S HER MOTHER.
AND THERE'S A RUMOR ABOUT AN ANGRY MAN WHO DIED IN THIS HOUSE.
RIGHT.
I ASKED AROUND AND HEARD THAT SAME STORY.
SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS SAID THAT THERE WAS AN OLDER COUPLE WHO LIVED HERE AT ONE TIME AND THAT THE OLDER GENTLEMAN PASSED AWAY IN THE HOUSE.
SO I WAS TRYING TO DO SOME RESEARCH ON IT, AND I WAS ABLE TO TRACE BACK THE LAND AND WHO OWNED THE LAND BEFORE, AND, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPERS AND WHO BOUGHT IT.
AND, UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK THEY MAY HAVE BEEN RENTERS OR SOMETHING OKAY, YEAH.
SO WE DON'T HAVE THEIR NAMES.
BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THEIR NAMES.
BUT IT VERY WELL COULD HAVE HAPPENED, ESPECIALLY SINCE SO MANY OF THE NEIGHBORS REMEMBER THEM.
-MM-HMM.
-SO, I'M SURE IT HAPPENED.
I JUST DON'T KNOW WHO THEY WERE.
AND WE MAY NEVER FIND OUT.
WHILE WE'VE BEEN HAVING A LOT OF ACTIVITY, NOW WE'VE HIT A BRICK WALL.
I DO NOT KNOW HOW WE CAN GE MORE CONCRETE EVIDENCE TONIGHT, BECAUSE THIS ENTITY THAT'S INTERACTING WITH US IS VERY MISCHIEVOUS AND SEEMS TO BE PLAYING HARD TO GET.
I THINK THAT, SINCE WE'RE HAVING A LOT OF ACTIVITY THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY IDENTIFIABLE RIGHT.
I THINK IT'S TIME, MAYBE, WE BRING IN A PSYCHIC.
AND MY FRIEND STEPHANIE, SHE CAN COME DO A WALK THROUGH.
I'LL TAKE DOWN ALL THE FAMILY PHOTOS -- ANYTHING THAT MAY CLUE HER IN ONTO THIS FAMILY AT ALL.
YES.
OH, TAKE EVERYTHING DOWN.
AND WE'LL HAVE SOMEBODY GO PICK HER UP.
YEAH, HAVE SOMEBODY PICK HER UP.
SHE WON'T KNOW WHERE SHE'S GOING.
ANYTHING SHE SAYS ON HER OWN WOULDN'T BE YOU KNOW, DEFINITIVE.
RIGHT.
BUT IF SHE SAYS SOMETHING, AND THEN WE GET EVIDENCE TO BACK IT UP OR AN EXPERIENCE TO BACK IT UP, OR RESEARCH TO BACK IT UP, THAT'S HUGE.
YEAH, WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK.
SO, LET'S JUS KEEP THAT IN MIND.
ALL RIGHT.
COOL.
SOALL RIGHT.
I WILL GIVE HER A CALL, AND THEN WE CAN GET STARTED.
Bruni: STEPHANIE'S A TALENTED PSYCHIC WHO'S SOLVED SOME PRETTY MYSTIFYING CASES, AND I'M HOPING SHE CAN HELP GET US GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
HI.
-HOW ARE YOU? GOOD.
IT'S SO GOOD TO SEE YOU.
I KNOW.
IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
YOU'RE WELCOME.
SO, THIS IS THE DEAL.
OKAY.
WE'RE JUST GONNA DO JUST, BASICALLY, A WALK THROUGH OF THE HOUSE.
AND YOU JUST KIND OF TELL US YOUR IMPRESSIONS.
AND JUST, NO MATTER HOW CRAZY IT IS -- NOTHING WILL SHOCK US.
GOOD TO KNOW.
SO, ARE YOU READY? -I THINK SO.
-OKAY.
I'LL GO THIS WAY FIRST.
I'M BEING PULLED IN THIS DIRECTION FIRST.
IT'S PITCH DARK.
YEAH, I KNOW.
DON'T TURN A LIGHT ON YET.
I SAW A MAN STANDING IN THAT CORNER.
Stephanie: DON'T TURN THE LIGHT ON YET.
I SAW A MAN STANDING IN THA CORNER, WEARING OVERALLS -MM-HMM.
-AND HE TOOK OFF THAT WAY.
OKAY.
SO, I'M GONNA GO SEE IF I CAN FIND HIM.
WHERE DOES THIS LEAD ME TO? PHEW, OKAY.
OKAY.
UM, HE LIKES TO BOUNCE AROUND.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE WENT.
HEY, LET'S GO BACK THIS WAY.
YEAH.
ARE YOU FEELING ANYONE THAT MIGHT BE THEIR FAMILY? THAT VERY WELL COULD BE.
I FEEL LIKE EVERYTHING THA I'VE ENCOUNTERED SO FAR IS DEFINITELY CONNECTED TO THE HOUSE OR THE LAND.
OKAY.
WHATEVER'S HERE MM-HMM.
WOULD IT, LIKE, SCRATCH PEOPLE? UM YES.
OKAY.
I FEEL LIKE IT'S A SCARE TACTIC.
LIKE, HE'S JUST TRYING TO SCARE WHOEVER IS HERE.
WHAT IS HE TRYING TO DO -- ANY IDEA? TRYING TO HAVE, LIKE, THE PLACE TO HIMSELF, I GUESS.
THE MAN IN THE BASEMENT'S DEMEANOR SEEMS ALMOS A NEGATIVE ENERGY.
IT'S NOT THAT FRIENDLY.
MM-HMM.
I KEEP HEARING, "I WATCH THEM.
" I FEEL LIKE IT'S ALMOS LIKE A SCARE TACTIC.
YEAH.
LIKE, "I'M GONNA BE SUPER CREEPY SO THAT WAY YOU GUYS ALL RUN OUT, AND I CAN CONTINUE DOING WHAT I'M DOING.
" OKAY.
I JUST HAD SOMEBODY POP IN.
I THINK I MIGHT HAVE TO EXPLORE THE BACKYARD.
OKAY.
THERE'S A LOT OF ENERGY HERE, LIKE, CONNECTED TO THE LAND.
IT'S TOTALLY SEPARATE FROM EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S GOING ON.
IT'S TWO SEPARATE PEOPLE.
MM-HMM.
Berry: SO YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S, WHAT, THERE'S A GUY IN THERE? THERE'S A GUY IN THE BASEMENT, YES.
BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO SOMETHING OUT HERE.
YES.
[ SIGHS .]
WHAT IS THIS GUY SHOWING ME? -IT'S A GUY? -YEAH, MM-HMM.
HE KEEPS -- HE'S NOT SAYING ANYTHING.
ALL HE KEEPS DOING IS, LIKE, SHOWING ME, LIKE, FLASHES OF PICTURES.
HE'S SHOWING ME, LIKE, PULLING UP TO THIS AREA BY HORSE.
HE'S SHOWING ME, LIKE, A SET OF KNIVES.
SHOWING ME THROWING A BODY IN.
I KEEP GETTING A PULL UP.
I CAN'T EVEN SEE THAT FAR.
-LIKE UP-OVER? -YEAH.
LIKE, THERE'S A LOT THAT'S HAPPENING AT THE MOMENT.
IS HE COMING FROM HERE, OR IS IT LIKE? IT WANTS ME TO WALK UP THAT WAY.
I KEEP FEELING, LIKE, THIS OLD ENERGY COMING FROM, LIKE, THAT AREA.
ALL THE ENERGY I KEEP PICKING UP KEEPS, LIKE, ROLLING BACK TO, LIKE, A TIME BEFORE.
CAN YOU TELL IF WHAT'S HERE EVER GOES IN THERE? I'M TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
OKAY.
UM HE'S TELLING ME HE'S OUTSIDE AND HE'S INSIDE.
I THINK THAT'S ALL HE'S GONNA GIVE ME FOR NOW.
ALL RIGHT.
THAT'S GOOD, THOUGH.
UNTIL SOMETHING ELSE -THAT'S FINE.
-YEAH.
WE'LL JUST FOLLOW UP ON THAT STUFF.
STEPHANIE PICKED UP ON NOT ONE, BUT TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES ON JEANNINE AND CHRIS' PROPERTY.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE ONE OF THEM WAS INVOLVED IN SOME KIND OF VIOLENT INCIDENT.
I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO GO ON, BUT THE TOWN HALL HAS A WEALTH OF ARCHIVAL RECORDS THAT COULD MAKE SOME SENSE OF WHAT STEPHANIE ENCOUNTERED.
I DID FIND OUT SOMETHING SUPER CREEPY AND WEIRD.
MM, WHAT? IN 1886 BASICALLY, THIS GUY WAS OUT WALKING HIS DOG, AND HE STUMBLED ACROSS THIS LARGE SHOEBOX THAT HAD CARRIED A BUNCH OF SMALLER SHOEBOXES, BASICALLY.
AND HE NOTICED A WEIRD SMELL COMING FROM IT, AND SO HE LEFT AND CAME BACK WITH A BUNCH OF PEOPLE, AND THEY ALL OPENED IT TOGETHER.
AND IN IT, THEY FOUND A MALE TORSO [ GULPS .]
WRAPPED IN TAR PAPER, MISSING HIS ARMS, HIS HEAD, HIS LEGS -- LITERALLY ON THIS LAND.
AND IT'S UNSOLVED.
I WANTED TO SEE JUS HOW CLOSE IT WAS TO HERE, BECAUSE ON, LIKE, YOU KNOW, A MAP, IT LOOKS -- IF YOU TAKE ROADS, IT'S LIKE A MILE -- JUST OVER A MILE.
RIGHT.
BUT IF YOU JUST WALK UP THIS HILL [CHUCKLES.]
BASICALLY -- IT'S RIGHT THERE.
OH, MY GOD.
AND THERE'S A ROAD UP THERE CALLED "SHOEBOX DRIVE.
" BUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD DIDN'T WAN TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH IT ANYMORE, SO THEY GOT RID OF THE NAME.
BUT IF YOU LOOK ON, LIKE -- I WAS USING MY GPS, AND IT STILL SAYS "SHOEBOX DRIVE" WHEN YOU GO UP AND DRIVE UP TO IT.
WHAT'S WEIRD IS THAT I WAS READING, LIKE, A PARANORMAL TEAM'S WEBSITE.
PEOPLE ALL OVER THIS NEIGHBORHOOD REPOR PARANORMAL PHENOMENA BECAUSE THEY FEEL THA THAT GUY HAUNTS THIS WHOLE AREA.
IT'S SO WEIRD.
I'LL SHOW YOU.
THIS -- THIS IS THE ORIGINAL ARTICLE? THAT'S ONE OF THE ORIGINAL ARTICLES.
-AUGUST 9th.
-AUGUST 9th.
IT'S NOW.
IT'S NOW.
THAT'S LITERALLY TODAY -- LIKE LITERALLY TODAY.
SO, WHAT IS THAT -- 130 YEARS AGO EXACTLY? YEAH.
EXACTLY 130 YEARS AGO.
MM-HMM.
Bruni: 1886.
SO, WHAT IS THAT -- 130 YEARS AGO EXACTLY? YEAH.
EXACTLY 130 YEARS AGO.
MM-HMM.
I SAY, LET'S GET INTO THE CAR AND GO TO THE SHOEBOX ROAD.
Berry: STEPHANIE CLEARLY PICKED UP ON THE MURDERER, AND OUR RESEARCH VERIFIED IT.
AND SINCE THE SPIRI SHE ENCOUNTERED A JEANNINE AND CHRIS' WAS TRYING TO LEAD HER UP THE HILL TO WHAT MAY HAVE BEEN THE MURDER SITE, WE FIGURE IT'S THE BEST PLACE TO GET MORE DEFINITIVE ANSWERS.
WE'RE JUST ARRIVING ON SHOEBOX ROAD.
SO, WE'RE JUST GONNA TRY AND DO A QUICK EVP SESSION WITHOUT RILING UP THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
-I MEAN -OKAY.
Berry: HERE, HERE.
BRING THAT OUT.
[ INSECTS CHIRPING .]
HELLO? IF ANYONE IS HERE, MY NAME IS AMY, AND THIS IS ADAM.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR A MAN.
WE HEARD THERE WAS A MURDER HERE.
AND A BOX WAS FOUND, AND THERE WAS A TORSO OF A MAN.
ARE YOU HIM? HERE, YOU HOLD THIS.
I'M GONNA GET THE UMBRELLA.
HERE, LET'S LISTEN.
WHOA.
DID YOU HEAR THAT? YEAH.
DID YOU HEAR THAT? -"YES.
" -"YES," RIGHT? YES! HE'S TALKING TO US.
JUST GONNA RUN IT AGAIN.
WHO DID THIS TO YOU? TELL US YOUR STORY, AND WE WILL MAKE SURE THE WORLD KNOWS.
WE JUST WAN TO HELP YOU.
SEE IF WE GOT ANYTHING ON THAT.
NOTHING.
JUST GOT THAT ONE ANSWER.
MM-HMM.
[ SIGHS .]
ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO.
YEAH, LET'S GO.
I'M GONNA LISTEN TO IT AGAIN WHEN WE GET TO THE HOUSE SO WE CAN HEAR IT BETTER.
YEAH, IT'S QUIETER.
THAT "YES" WAS VERY CLEAR.
RIGHT.
IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A WHISPER, LIKE, RIGHT NEX TO THE RECORDER -- "YES.
" WE KNOW SOMETHING ANSWERED THIS, "YES.
" WE ASSUME IT'S WHO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE SAME PERSON IN THIS HOUSE YET.
WE DON'T KNOW YET.
BUT THAT IS THE QUESTION TO FIND OUT.
Bruni: WE HAVE TWO SUSPECTS THAT COULD BE CAUSING THE PARANORMAL ACTIVITY IN THIS HOUSE -- THE GRUMPY, OLD PREVIOUS TENANT, OR THE SHOEBOX MURDER VICTIM.
SINCE CHRIS IS A TRIGGER FOR A LOT OF THE ACTIVITY -- LIKE ALL THE MYSTERIOUS SCRATCHES ACROSS HIS BODY -- WE'RE BRINGING HIM FOR TONIGHT'S INVESTIGATION, AS WELL AS STEPHANIE, TO SEE IF SHE PICKS UP ON ANY NEW CLUES.
CHRIS, THIS IS MY FRIEND STEPH.
STEPHANIE IS A PSYCHIC MEDIUM.
FIRST THING SHE DID IS SHE WENT DOWN IN THE BASEMENT, AND SHE WENT RIGH TO THAT BACK WALL AND SAID, "THERE'S A MAN RIGHT THERE, AND HE JUST RAN INTO THAT HALLWAY.
" -SERIOUSLY? -YEAH.
Chris: IS HE, LIKE, AN OLDER GUY? HE SEEMS OLDER, AND ABOUT MY HEIGHT, OR BETWEEN ADAM AND I.
-THAT'S THE -- -YEAH? WE HAVE SOME THEORIES ABOU WHO IT MIGHT BE.
WE HAVE SOME THEORIES ABOU WHY THEY'RE DOING IT.
HAVE YOU EVER HEARD ABOUT A STORY OF -- ABOUT THE STORY OF THE SHOEBOX MURDER? IN 1886, RIGHT UP THE HILL, THERE WAS THIS KIND OF LARGE BOX.
THEY OPEN UP THE BOX, AND THEY FIND A MALE TORSO -- NO ARMS, NO LEGS, NO HEAD.
IT WAS LITERALLY RIGHT UP THE HILL FROM HERE.
AND PEOPLE HAVE REPORTED PARANORMAL ACTIVITY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEY BELIEVE IT IS CONNECTED TO THAT.
I'VE BEEN HERE ALL MY LIFE -- 58 YEARS.
I'VE NEVER HEARD ANYBODY TALK ABOUT THAT, EVER.
I MEAN, THERE'S SOMETHING HERE THAT'S VERY MISCHIEVOUS, THAT LIKES TO GET OUR ATTENTION AND PLAY GAMES WITH US.
AND SHE MENTIONED, WHATEVER'S HERE, POSSIBLY, IS DOING AN INTIMIDATION TACTIC.
SO, WHETHER OR NO IT IS THIS GENTLEMAN WHO WAS FOUND MURDERED, OR WHETHER OR NO IT IS THIS GUY -- THE GRUMPY, OLD MAN WHO USED TO LIVE HERE -- WE WANTED YOU TO COME AND INVESTIGATE, BECAUSE YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE IN THE HOUSE THAT HAS HAD ANY KIND OF ACTIVITY THAT'S SORT OF VIOLENT.
IT LEANS TOWARD THE VIOLENT.
MM-HMM.
WE'RE TALKING ABOU SCRATCHES ON THE BACK, THE SCRATCHES ON THE CHEEK.
AND HAVING YOU HERE MAY DRAW THE SPIRIT OUT.
THAT WAY, WE COULD FIGURE OUT WHO IT IS.
-MM.
-YEAH.
Bruni: WE'RE READY TO GO? -OKAY.
-ALL RIGHT.
LET'S GO, GUYS.
WHOEVER IS HERE WITH US, WE BROUGHT CHRIS HOME TONIGHT.
ARE YOU THE ONE THAT'S BEEN TRYING TOSCRATCH CHRIS? YEAH, I CAN HEAR RESPONSES IN MY HEAD AS YOU GUYS ARE TALKING.
REALLY? I JUST HEARD, "I WANT TO STAY HERE.
" WHY WOULD YOU TRY TO SCARE THE FAMILY? Berry: ARE YOU MAD AT CHRIS? -OKAY.
-YOU KNOW WHAT'S WEIRD? I SWEAR TO GOD, I CAN -- I THOUGHT I WAS HEARING SOMEONE TALK OUT OF THIS EAR HERE.
-WEIRD.
-YEAH.
I'M ACTUALLY JUST SITTING HERE.
THAT'S WHY I WAS SO QUIET.
I'M LISTENING.
I CAN HEAR SOMEONE TALK LIKE SHE WAS -- LIKE, WHISPERING.
AND I'D SWEAR TO GOD THAT SHE WAS TALKING.
SO, LET ME SEE.
[ BEEP .]
[ STATIC .]
-I NEVER HEARD THAT.
-SOMETHING "QUIET"? IT SOUNDS LIKE, SOMETHING "QUIET.
" -YEAH.
-LET ME SEE IT FOR A SECOND.
Stephanie: BUT IT'S MULTIPLE SYLLABLES.
YEAH.
"I NEED QUIET.
" "I NEED QUIET.
" Bruni: [ GASPS .]
"I NEED QUIET.
" YEAH.
-YEAH, "I NEED QUIET.
" -YEP.
WHERE IT'S LIKE IT SENDS CHILLS THROUGH YOU.
AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE VOICE THAT, LIKE, WE WERE GETTING THAT, "YOU'RE NOT ALONE.
" YEAH.
I WENT INTO THE BASEMEN ALL BY MYSELF, AND I SAID, "THIS IS AMY.
I'M DOWN HERE TOTALLY ALONE.
" AND A VOICE SAYS, "YOU'RE NOT ALONE.
" -"YOU'RE NOT ALONE.
" -"YOU'RE NOT" -- IT SOUNDS JUST LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, THAT, TO ME, SOUNDS LIKE WHA WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH -- THIS THING THAT DOESN' REALLY WANT TO TALK TO US.
IT'S JUST KIND OF LIKE, "I'M OVER YOU.
" AND I FEEL LIKE IT'S ACTING OU AT YOU GUYS A LITTLE BI BECAUSE, I MEAN, I CAN TELL JUST BEING HERE, YOU HAVE A HOUSE THAT YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN AND OUT ALL THE TIME.
IT'S ALWAYS GOING, YEAH.
AND THAT WHATEVER IS HERE DOES NOT LIKE THAT.
MM.
IT IS LIKE, "I NEED QUIET.
" MM-HMM.
SO I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF IT'S ONE OF THE FORMER HOMEOWNERS.
BUT, I MEAN, THAT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE SOMEBODY WHO, IS THEIR SPACE, AND THEY ARE LIKE, "STOP.
THAT IS ENOUGH.
" OLD MAN AND OLD LADY THAT LIVED HERE MM-HMM.
NOW, I WAS TOLD THA THE OLD MAN DIED IN HERE.
BUT IF YOU GUYS DIDN'T FIND THAT, YOU DIDN'T FIND THAT.
YEAH.
WE HAVEN'T FOUND IT YET.
THE OLD MAN WAS A NASTY GUY.
-REALLY? -YEAH.
-OKAY.
-SO JUST TO HEAR THAT VOICE -- -THAT SOUNDS LIKE AN OLD MAN.
-YEAH, LIKE AN OLD MAN.
AND IT'S TRYING HARD TO, LIKE, MAKE IT SO IT'S JUST NOT FRIENDLY SO EVERYBODY WILL JUST GO AWAY.
USUALLY, WHEN WE DO THESE CASES, THERE'S, LIKE, LOTS OF LITTLE LAYERS MM-HMM.
AND THEN WE'RE ABLE TO PINPOINT, LIKE, ONE OR TWO THAT ACTUALLY MAKE SENSE TO THIS LOCATION.
THIS LOCATION HAS MULTIPLE LAYERS.
YEAH.
LIKE, IT DOESN'T -- THERE'S NOT JUST ONE PERSON IN THIS SPACE.
NO.
ALL THE ACTIVITY THAT'S TRYING TO SCARE US, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S PROBABLY THE PREVIOUS HOMEOWNER "YOU'RE NOT ALONE.
" WHO'S ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR SCRATCHING CHRIS.
BUT I DO THINK THAT IT'S NOT EVIL.
-NO.
-IT'S GRUMPY.
BUT THEN, WHATEVER IS OUT THERE, MAYBE THAT -- THE SHOEBOX MURDER VICTIM.
I FEEL LIKE THAT PERSON DOES WANDER THROUGH.
STEPHANIE WAS PINPOINTING TO THE THINGS WHERE IT'S LIKE, IT WAS SPOT-ON.
HE'S SHOWING ME, LIKE, A SET OF KNIVES.
SHOWING ME THROWING A BODY IN.
EVERYTHING SHE WAS SAYING RELATED TO THE SHOEBOX MURDER.
BUT ONE THING WE DIDN'T GE WAS ANYTHING ON THE MOM.
THAT'S WHO JEANNINE THOUGHT WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ACTIVITY.
Jeannine: THIS IS A COLLIE THAT MY MOTHER HAD.
IT DID FALL OFF THE TOP SHELF ALL ON ITS OWN.
I MEAN, MY HUNCH IS THA HER FAMILY'S TALKING TO HER.
RIGHT.
AND I THINK JEANNINE NEEDS TO COME IN.
SO, IF SHE COMES IN, HOPEFULLY SHE'LL GE AN ANSWER FROM THEM.
BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA COME TO US.
BUT I THINK SHE MIGHT BE THE KEY TO GETTING A RESPONSE FROM THEM.
WE HAVE A DIRECTION TO GO IN.
ALL RIGHT.
SO, LET'S GET READY FOR TONIGHT.
MM-HMM.
AND LET'S TALK TO JEANNINE.
YES.
TO ME, OUR INVESTIGATION ISN'T DONE UNTIL WE RULE OU ALL THE POSSIBILITIES.
AND WE CAN'T RULE OU THAT JEANNINE'S MOM ISN'T HERE.
FROM OUR YEARS OF EXPERIENCE DOING THIS, WE KNOW THAT FAMILY SPIRITS COULD BE MORE ATTACHED TO THE PEOPLE RATHER THAN THE HOUSE.
SO, BY BRINGING JEANNINE IN, WE'RE HOPING SHE'LL BE THE TRIGGER FOR HER MOTHER.
SO, LAST NIGH WE GOT SOME RESULTS, BUT I DON'T THINK WE REALLY GO ANYTHING THAT MADE US THINK WE WERE TALKING TO ANY OF YOUR RELATIVES.
OH.
AND WE LIKE, SOMETIMES, TO HAVE YOU ACTUALLY INVESTIGATE WITH US, BECAUSE IT HELPS US A LOT WHEN -- THEY'RE MORE FAMILIAR WITH YOU THAN THEY ARE WITH US.
OKAY, SO WHOEVER'S HERE WITH US, JEANNINE IS HERE NOW, TOO, BECAUSE WE THOUGH YOU MIGHT WANT TO TALK TO HER.
IS THERE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SAY TO HER? MOM, IF YOU'RE AROUND, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO TELL ME, TALK TO ME ABOUT? YOU AND I HAD A BIG FALLING OU THAT I'M STILL CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED.
AND YOU PASSED WITHOUT KNOWING YOU WERE GONNA PASS.
DO YOU FORGIVE ME, AS I HAVE FORGIVEN YOU? LET'S SEE IF WE GOT ANY ANSWERS.
[ BEEP .]
-WHAT WAS THAT? -WOW.
THAT -- OH, MY GOD.
I JUST GOT THE CHILLS.
THAT'S HER VOICE.
IT IS? THAT'S MY MOTHER.
-WHAT WAS THAT? -WOW.
THAT'S MY MOTHER'S VOICE.
OH, MY GOD.
I JUST GOT THE CHILLS.
[ INDISTINCT SPEECH .]
Berry: WHAT IS SHE SAYING? SHE'S SAYING SOMETHING, BUT I CAN'T BUT IT ALMOST SOUNDS LIKE THREE SYLLABLES.
BUT THAT'S HER TONE.
THAT MIGHT BE HER FIRST BIG GO AT, LIKE, USING WHATEVER ENERGY IT TAKES TO GET THAT OUT.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT CLEAR, BUT AT LEAST SHE'S TRYING.
THAT WAS WILD TO HEAR HER VOICE.
HOW ARE -- ARE YOU OKAY? LIKE I SAID, THE LAST WORDS SHE SAID TO ME WAS, "I DON'T HAVE TIME FOR YOU RIGHT NOW," AND SHE HUNG UP ON ME.
AND NOW JUST TO HEAR HER VOICE AGAIN YES.
I MEAN, IMMEDIATELY LIKE, I GOT THE CHILLS JUST RUN RIGHT THROUGH ME.
AND, SUDDENLY, THOSE LAST WORDS AREN'T HER LAST WORDS TO YOU ANYMORE.
-NO.
-MNH-MNH.
IT'S WHATEVER SHE'S SAYING RIGHT THERE, WHICH IS WILD.
YEAH.
YOU KNOW, THAT TOOK AWAY THAT LITTLE BIT OF HURT, LIKE YOU SAID YEAH.
OF ALL THOSE YEARS.
I GOT TO GET A [ SNIFFLES .]
[ EXHALES .]
A LITTLE BIT.
ARE YOU ALL RIGHT? OH, YEAH.
IT'S JUST -- THANK YOU, AMY.
I KNOW.
THAT'S SO HARD.
THAT'S SO TOUGH.
-YOU KNOW? -I KNOW.
TO NOT HAVE THAT AS HER LAST WORDS TO ME ANYMORE.
[ SNIFFLES .]
I KNOW IT'S TOUGH.
THANK YOU, ADAM.
YOU'RE WELCOME.
THANK YOU.
I'M GLAD WE COULD PROVIDE IT.
THANK YOU.
Berry: I THINK LOSING A PAREN AT ANY POINT IS VERY TOUGH.
BUT LOSING A PARENT, AND THE LAST THING THEY SAY TO YOU IS, "I DON'T HAVE TIME FOR YOU," IS DEVASTATING.
HAVING JEANNINE SIT DOWN AND ACTUALLY TALK TO HER MOM AND HAVING HER MOM COME THROUGH THAT ONE LITTLE TIME IS REALLY GREAT.
I MEAN, IT'S SOMETHING THA HER MOTHER WANTED TO MAKE HAPPEN AND SOMETHING THA JEANNINE REALLY NEEDED.
THERE WERE A LOT MORE SPIRITS HERE THAN WE EXPECTED, AND I HOPE THAT THE HOMEOWNERS ARE READY TO HEAR WHAT WE HAVE TO SHARE.
I THINK THAT THE FIRST THING WE SHOULD PROBABLY TALK ABOU IS YOUR FAMILY.
Berry: MM-HMM.
THE ONLY TIME WE EVER GO ANYTHING REGARDING YOUR FAMILY WAS WHEN YOU WERE THERE AND WHEN YOU HEARD YOUR MOM'S VOICE.
WHILE SHE CAME HERE AND GAVE A LITTLE MESSAGE AND LEFT, SHE'S NOT THE ONLY THING THAT WE FOUND, OF COURSE.
SHE'S NOT.
IN 1886, THERE WAS A VERY LARGE SHOEBOX.
VERY BIG.
AND INSIDE, THEY DISCOVERED A MALE TORSO.
IT WAS NEVER SOLVED.
BUT THE THING IS THA THE SHOEBOX MURDER HAPPENED DIRECTLY UP THE HILL BEHIND YOUR HOUSE.
WHILE DOING MY RESEARCH, I ALSO DISCOVERED THAT HOMES IN THIS AREA HAVE REPORTED STRANGE ACTIVITY GOING ON.
DO WE THINK HE'S HERE ALL THE TIME? NO.
DO WE THINK HE'S THE ONE CAUSING ALL THE DRAMA? -NO.
-NO.
AND SO, THAT BRINGS US TO SUSPECT NUMBER THREE.
THERE'S A SHADOW FIGURE THAT YOU GUYS SEE PRETTY REGULARLY.
AND STEPHANIE CAME IN THE HOUSE, SHE WENT DOWN INTO THE BASEMENT, AND SHE WENT, "THERE'S A MAN STANDING THERE.
HE JUST DARTED BACK INTO THAT ROOM.
" HE'S MISCHIEVOUS AND HOSTILE, BUT ULTIMATELY JUST WANTS TO BE LEFT ALONE.
THIS IS WHERE WE STARTED REALIZING IT WAS REALLY TRYING TO MESS WITH US.
LISTEN.
-WHAT WAS THAT? "YOU'RE NOT ALONE.
" YEAH, SO THEN THAT BRINGS US TO OH, MY GOD.
OUR INVESTIGATION WITH CHRIS.
-YEAH.
-MM-HMM.
LIKE, "I WANT YOU TO BE QUIET.
" LIKE, IT'S TRYING -- IT'S JUST EXASPERATED, AND IT'S LIKE, "I NEED QUIET.
" LIKE, THAT'S WHAT IT WANTS.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE THINK THAT THE PERFECT EXPLANATION IS A GRUMPY, OLD MAN.
-MM-HMM.
-SOMEONE WHO LIVED HERE.
HE'S THE PERSON THA IS PROBABLY RESPONSIBLE FOR MOS OF YOUR ACTIVITY.
I MEAN, ALL OF THESE VOICES SOUND THE SAME -- THE "YOU'RE NOT ALONE VOICE," THE GRUFF VOICE, THE "I NEED QUIET" VOICE.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE HE'S MAD.
LIKE, HE'S LIKE, "WHO YOU MESSING WITH?" LIKE, BEING A WISE-ASS.
YEAH.
THIS IS WHY WE THINK THA WHEN YOU'RE RENOVATING, THINGS STAR GETTING MORE ACTIVE.
MORE ACTIVITY WHEN WE TEAR THINGS APART.
-RIGHT.
-EXACTLY.
AND SO, THIS IS WHY, YOU KNOW, YOU ESPECIALLY, BECAUSE YOU'RE THE MAN OF THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, HE YOU MIGHT HAVE TO PUT HIM IN HIS PLACE SOMETIMES, AND, LIKE, REALLY BE FIRM WITH HIM.
SO, JUST TAKE THE UPPER HAND.
AND IF YOU'RE GONNA RENOVATE, SAY, "HEY, LISTEN, I'M GONNA DO SOME RENOVATION WORK, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW.
" MM-HMM.
AND HE IS PROBABLY DOING THINGS TO INTIMIDATE YOU BECAUSE HE JUST WANTS YOU TO KIND OF GO AWAY.
[ CHUCKLES .]
AIN'T GONNA MAKE ME GO.
[ LAUGHS .]
SO, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS NOW? WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? AWESOME.
BECAUSE IT HAPPENED TO ME, AND I KNOW WHAT I HEARD, I KNOW WHAT I SAW, AND STUFF LIKE THIS.
AND IT'S RIGHT THERE -- PROOF THAT I'M NOT CRAZY, AND NEITHER IS SHE.
-YEAH.
-YEAH.
I'M GLAD YOU GUYS CAME HERE, BECAUSE FOR SURE.
NOW YOU MADE ME FEEL BETTER FOR HER, TOO.
DEFINITELY MADE ME FEEL BETTER, BECAUSE IT'S JUST -- KNOWING ABOUT MY MOTHER YEAH.
AND THE LAST WORDS THAT SHE SAID TO ME.
NOW, LIKE YOU SAID, I HAVE NEW LAST WORDS.
MM-HMM.
YEAH.
AND IT'S NICE KNOWING THAT I HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO THINK ABOUT NOW INSTEAD OF THOSE WORDS.
I'M GLAD WE COULD DO THA FOR YOU.
-YEAH, THAT'S AWESOME.
-THANK YOU.
THIS WEEK HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY THERAPEUTIC.
NOW THAT JEANNINE KNOWS HER MOM HAS BEEN TRYING TO MAKE AMENDS, SHE CAN FINALLY LET GO OF HER GRIEF.
Jeannine: I KEPT THE PHOTOS OF MY MOTHER IN A CLOSE FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS.
NOW I AM PUTTING HER PICTURE BACK IN THE BEDROOM.
IT JUST FELT GOOD TO SEE HER AGAIN.
Bruni: AND KNOWING THA THE SOURCE OF ALL THEIR ACTIVITY IS NOTHING BU A HARMLESS, GRUMPY, OLD MAN SHOULD SET JEANNINE AND CHRIS' MINDS AT EASE, ALLOWING THEM TO MOVE CONFIDENTLY AHEAD WITH FUTURE RENOVATIONS.