Chimp Crazy (2024) s01e03 Episode Script
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Let me get down over here.
I'm gonna go through the brush right here.
32, 42, 3202.
Alright, copy.
Yep.
- Got it?
- Yep, he just moved.
Do you want to play? Do you want to play?
Okay, Mom says okay. Mom says okay.
Cheater, cheater.
Now you're cheating. For sure!
So, we followed this story for a while
and Tonka was supposed to be deceased.
Yes.
How do you explain that?
Gimme.
I already said Tonka will never go
to the chimp sanctuary.
I opted to go against the court order.
His health doesn't allow him
to make a 14-hour travel
to Florida sedated.
It'll kill him.
All this right here, that's not fat.
That's fluid.
He's definitely
in congestive heart failure.
There's not even a question about that.
I want to make sure that
he lives as long as he can,
and live with people
that can interact with him daily
and do things with him.
We're down here all the time,
and he's got an iPad.
It's not a real iPad.
It's a kid one, but it has internet.
He has his own email account.
Even though, I mean,
I hope he don't email,
but if he does, it is what it is.
Here, see.
He's gonna clean his window
'cause he messed it up.
Wipe it down down here,
where you made that mess, clean it.
I think we made it worse, but maybe not.
Here, down here.
Good job. Good job.
- That's Tonka.
- Yeah.
Oh, my God.
I don't even know what to say.
It's so insane.
Part of me is saying this
is the craziest story ever now.
And part of me is thinking, what do we do?
- Oh, my God.
- We gotta call Dwayne.
Yeah.
I mean
Well, I'm not sure.
I guess the question is,
you know, is Tonka okay?
I think that we just take it, you know,
week by week right now, okay?
Okay, alright, Dwayne.
Talk to you later. Alright, bye-bye.
If we turn her in, that's it.
You know, she won't lead us
to anybody else.
And I always felt
as though there could be
other people that she knows.
I know there's other people
that she knows keeping chimps.
I don't know
if it's the right thing to do.
You know?
I don't know.
I don't know.
Let's back up to the summer.
PETA took the other chimps.
Where was Tonka?
Tonka was actually on the run with me.
I mean, literally on the run with me.
Before PETA came and took the kids,
Tonka had a massive stroke.
I feel like God gave me that opportunity,
and I just took advantage.
Basically, we just demised
a plan to just say he died.
I found him dead.
He was in his cage. He did not move.
We knew that Tonka's time was limited.
I had no reason at all to fake his death.
I've got a box of ashes that is his,
I mean
And if anybody wants me
to take a lie detector test
When they found out Tonka was dead
I'm glad he's dead. Literally dead.
He was dead!
I gotta stop!
I can't do this.
The night before
PETA came and took the chimps,
after the film crew left,
Jerry and I started preparation
to get Tonka sedated.
It took us till 3 a.m.
We went ahead
and just went to the Holiday Inn
2.4 miles from the facility.
But we couldn't leave him in the trailer.
We put him in the bathroom
in case he peed,
'cause we're not gonna trash a hotel.
I waited until I heard
that PETA hit the facility.
And then, we just drove straight to Cy's.
Oh, yeah. I texted him to let him know
we were on our way.
Cy is a chimp guy,
but I had never met him.
I met him the day I dropped Tonka off.
My best place was to pick somebody
that had chimpanzees
that I could blend Tonka in.
And Cy was the perfect person
because Cy had a male chimpanzee, Ricky.
Ricky happened to die of liver failure.
So, nobody would have known
that that was Tonka.
Three Chicken McNugget happy meals.
We want the extra fries,
and can we get chocolate milks with those?
Hi, you've reached Cy
at Union Ridge Wildlife Center.
We're all busy monkeying around,
so please leave a message
and someone will return your call.
Cy is not open to the public.
His is a private collection.
He has, like, some tigers
and some other animals,
as well as the chimps.
How does he fund it?
Where's the money from?
That, I'm not sure of.
I hear my girls. They hear me.
Do you hear 'em? The girls heard me here.
They know me. They know me.
Hey, girls!
Happy girl.
You're my favorite girl. Gimme kiss.
Are you happy, girl?
They look really good, Cy.
- What?
- They look amazing.
This was an opportunity for me
to do something for someone
that I would want done for me
if I was in the same situation.
You're shaking, baby girl!
Okay, okay, okay, already.
I didn't know Tonia,
but I'd seen some
of my own friends in Ohio
lose their animals
because they weren't willing
to, you know, adjust to the new rules
and regulations.
Tonka was here for at least six months.
Tonia drove here regularly,
even if just for an evening.
Hi, girlfriend.
PETA didn't know the connection
between Cy and I, so it was perfect.
When we came to Cy's,
we were very careful.
We would always be doing
a transport some place else,
so they would have had to have followed us
for many, many thousands of miles.
Do you want these nuggets?
There you go.
Here's your sauce.
Hey, baby girl.
You better stop. You better stop.
The Union Ridge Wildlife Center
provides sanctuary
to animals that are being displaced
for one reason or another.
I'm looking into expanding
the sanctuary's efforts with Great Apes.
This is the next project
for the outdoor yard.
I wanted to make it look
like a hamster cage,
and even painted the obnoxious colors.
But then, this is actually what it'll
what the actual shape will look like,
and this is the back of the building here.
And then, you got the two domes.
And then, as we gain
some creative funding sources,
you know, we'll be able
to house up to 24 chimps.
That's amazing.
I had to really try to sell Tonia
on trusting me.
You know, I've made choices
that have really
screwed that up
in a lot of people's minds.
I mean, if you just Google "Cy Vierstra,"
I was the township fiscal officer.
I had gotten hooked on buying
random things off the auction.
When I ran out of money,
I started spending township money,
always intending to put it back.
But it got really, really out of control.
If he doesn't pay that $340,000,
there's a nine-year sentence on the table.
So, they're throwing
the book at him, per se.
Can I see one?
Oh, Anna, it's okay.
Let me see your nails.
You were already
in trouble with the law.
Then, you helped Tonia defy a court order.
Doesn't that worry you?
No.
I wasn't scared at all.
I was prepared to be confronted
by anybody.
Once I announced
that Tonka had passed,
Jared Goodman, the attorney for PETA,
contacted me wanting proof.
So, I was like, "Okay, I cremated him.
I cremated him!"
It looks like dirt, but it's very fine.
We knew there was no real basis
to believe that Tonka had actually died.
Frankly, given her lies
up till this point in the case,
it was remarkable that she expected
anyone to believe this.
So then, they're like, "Okay, well,
we need some ashes." So, I'm like,
"Okay, where am I gonna come up
with these ashes?”
It was so important to me to help Tonia
protect her relationship with Tonka.
So, I said, "You know,
I've got Ricky out there.
"What a better purpose for him
to be part of this
greater scheme of things."
So, we dug him up.
But I mean, he was very much,
80% decomposed.
Now, mind you,
I had already removed his head.
I did want to preserve his skull.
When our house
by the lake was ready,
we went to go pick up Tonka and Ricky.
So here, we had this chimp body
in the back of our truck
with the fugitive going all the way
from Ohio to Missouri.
And if we would have been
stopped for any reason,
they would have thought
that was a human remain,
'cause they're so closely related.
With no head.
Like a Jeffrey Dahmer thing.
You're so funny.
This house was perfect.
It's up off the road.
It's in a rural area. Nobody bothers you.
I got your butt. I got your butt.
And he's very quiet.
Even though there was
people here constantly,
they had no clue that there
was a chimpanzee here.
People spent the night here, did not know
there was a chimpanzee here.
She even kept it from me for a while.
The first little bit of my time here,
she wouldn't let me go downstairs.
And I'd never understood why.
One day, I came down here,
and I just saw him,
and I was just like, holy crap.
It's very stressful,
you have to watch your P's and Q's
when you talk to people.
In all intents and purposes,
he's a fugitive.
It's like walking on eggshells, man.
While it's a worthy cause
for this boy, 100%,
it does scare me.
I'm just afraid that she might, you know,
get too caught up in this
and not worry about herself.
'Cause that's how she's always
been her entire life.
I think God has plans for everybody.
And I think I was just planned
to be a caregiver.
God gave us marriage for
the well-being of human society
and for the birth
and nurturance of children.
I got married when I was young.
My husband was quite a bit older
than I was.
He didn't believe in women working,
but I always felt like
I had a need to do something.
So, he allowed me
to become a foster parent.
I was 19 years old
and the youngest foster parent
in the state of Missouri.
I've had approximately 75 foster kids,
and then some medically
necessary placements, too.
You start hanging around
those special needs kids,
and you realize they were kind of like
the kids that were left behind.
So then, of course,
that's the kids I wanted to help most.
That's how I got my daughter
when she was six weeks old.
She had fetal alcohol syndrome,
so she required lots and lots of care.
I got to adopt her officially
when she was a little over two years old.
The judge said,
"Are you sure you want to take this on?
Because she'll probably never
be a productive citizen."
And I said, "I've had her
ever since she was a baby.
Why would I change that now?"
And then, I found out
I was pregnant with my son,
the only biological son I have.
The two kids were the most important thing
for many years.
Then, my kids started
doing their activities
and being gone,
and so I was there by myself.
I remember the time
she picked me up from school,
and I noticed little
premature diapers in the back.
And so, I asked her, I was like,
"Are we having a
Am I having another brother or sister?"
And she said, "Yeah, something like that."
Life kind of just revolved
around the monkeys.
If I had a school event or whatever,
and the monkeys had to be watched,
she'd stay home and watch the monkeys.
There was an underlying feeling
of just kind of feeling like,
I don't want to say abandoned,
but definitely just feel like
"Where do I fit into the picture?"
I love these chimps more
than anything in the world,
and I mean more than anything
more than my kids,
more than anything,
and I want these chimpanzees
At the court hearing, she literally said,
and I quote, "I care about these monkeys
more than I care about my own kids."
Yeah, and that kind of felt like that was
the mentality a lot of times.
What are you doing, Bubba?
What are you doing?
I don't have the emotional
attachment to this animal
quite like she does.
I have one, but it's nothing like hers.
I mean, I've never seen her
that passionate
about anything in my life, you know, ever.
And that includes her own son.
It does scare me because my mom
thinks with emotion
and not sometimes with logic.
You know, she said it several times,
"If they take him away,
I don't have nothing."
I think she feels that nobody needs her.
I love her to death
and tell her all the time,
and I think if you asked her,
she would say
that I don't need her,
and she's not important
in my life, which is very untrue.
I truly think she feels that way.
That's where the big attraction
to these primates comes in.
They're like children that never grow up.
So, they're constantly
gonna need her care.
Twenty-four hours a day,
seven days a week,
365 days a year, that's the monkeys.
I'll be honest with you,
I used to hate the idea
of being around them and stuff,
but the joy that she has
for taking care of these animals, man,
like, I'm telling you,
you can just tell she's happy.
And I can't get in the way of that.
There is this culture
of almost entirely women
who raise chimpanzees and monkeys
as if they're babies.
They have to create this myth
that "This animal is my son."
Stop. You need to stop the biting.
Stop.
"He's part of my family."
They have outfits for Valentine's,
for St. Patrick's, for Christmas,
for Fourth of July, everything.
But this family dynamic is a fantasy
that inevitably ends in tragedy.
And that was the case
with Buck in Pendleton.
Pendleton is a Western town.
We pride ourselves on being rural Oregon.
We are a conservative town,
but we are also
a very tight-knit community.
Everybody here kind of knows everybody.
But I never knew about Buck.
Until the day Tamara Brogoitti
walked into my store
with a chimpanzee on her back.
This is my little scrapbook.
Over the years, I kind of
collected a handful of pictures.
That's me and my buddy,
when he was just a small tyke
riding on my back.
Bucky backpack.
But he was a little fellow.
That was probably very early on
in my time there.
When I first met Buck,
he at the time would have been
about three, four years old.
One day, I was at work.
Tamara came in with this ape on her back,
and he immediately
crawled down off her shoulder
to come greet me and say hi to me.
He gave me kind of a little hug,
and he kind of sniffed me
and checked me out everywhere.
We seemed to have a moment there.
So, once she asked me if I would like
to have a playdate with Buck,
I, of course, you know,
was over there in a heartbeat.
We got monkey.
When I first came into the home
and saw how Tamara was raising Buck,
it was very easy to be dazzled.
He lived like a little boy.
He took bubble baths.
He went potty on the toilet.
What do you do when you pee?
Thank you.
He had a skateboard. He had puppies.
She's gonna eat you.
And you're just sitting there
sucking your thumb
like a wiener.
Are you cuddling my foot?
I spent at least four
to six days a week down there.
I was there with him
every moment I wasn't working.
Both hands on the wheel. Safety first.
We had quite the relationship.
You ready for your next bite,
Your Majesty?
You look ridiculous, dude.
Especially with the one shoe.
Tamara would take Buck to a lot
of our local establishments.
Hardware stores. Fast food restaurants.
The local pizza place delivered
lots of pizzas up there.
I've never delivered to a chimp
ever before.
When I get up there,
he would take my hands,
and we'd jump up and down.
He loved the pizza.
He was kind of our little local rock star.
And lots of people knew that maybe today
was the day they got to see the ape.
We'd go down to the tavern.
Tamara would bring Buck
down there to eat dinner with 'em.
And he sat down there just like
a human and ate his food.
Very well-mannered at the dinner table.
Tamara was friends with my mom,
and she encouraged me to come over.
It was good for Buck.
He needed to socialize.
When I was coming up the driveway,
he would jump into my arms,
and he would just be shaking
while he was hugging me.
Buck was the most extraordinary thing
that this town has ever had to offer.
He was amazing, and he was beautiful.
And what about Tamara?
Tamara Brogoitti.
She was a regular at the liquor store.
Tamara Brogoitti did not walk in
and buy a fifth of booze.
We got six half-gallons
and we put them in a box.
She was a lonely woman,
her husband had died.
And after he passed,
she would take his clothes
and put them on Buck.
As far as Tamara's children go,
there was a lot of resentment.
I love my mother with all my heart.
But she is one tough, mean old lady.
And that's about
what I gotta say about her.
That's about it.
Okay, roll film.
Buck was the most
beautiful animal I ever seen.
A lot of those chimpanzees
are ugly as sin.
And he was very handsome.
He's the Tom Brady of chimpanzees.
My mother loved that thing
more than she loved me.
He slept in her bed with her.
That was her teddy bear.
Buck was Tamara's life at that point.
She said that she was a primatologist
doing research or a study.
She was gonna be the first person
to ever raise a chimpanzee
in a family setting.
I mean, that was it.
There was no questioning that.
Not the case.
I found her to have graduated
from Everett Community College in 1986.
She did not have anything
that qualified her in any way.
And I don't know that she really regarded
Buck's safety, his well-being.
It was more about
her getting attention for him.
I didn't think it was
gonna happen quite this way,
but I knew that Buck was never
gonna be completely safe
in her care long-term.
Bring me the star!
Tonka, sit.
I know. I know.
You're my best friend.
I know, you're my best friend.
That tickles.
My mom cares about this animal.
I think there's a bond.
I think she saved him
and he saved her, honestly.
I just wish PETA would see
my mom's side of the story.
They think she's doing it
for some kind of notoriety.
They don't see the compassion
that she really has.
She's trying to rescue this animal
from what she believes
is not a safe environment.
He can't be with other chimps
like what they wanna do with him.
They want to put him in a chimp sanctuary,
and they can't do that.
Any time that there's an altercation
with other chimps and stuff,
he won't fight.
He's such a human chimp.
He doesn't know how to fight.
He doesn't want to fight.
He just submits.
Even at Cy's, he got his butt kicked.
He's had, one time, 360 sutures.
He's just so docile.
He has no mean bone in his body.
And so, these other monkeys
bully him and gang up on him.
It just doesn't make any sense to me.
Like if you know he's gonna go
into something he can't survive,
then why would you do that?
You want something to drink?
Give me that paper.
My biggest fear is this kid.
It's not me, and everybody's like,
"Well, I'm worried about you."
I'm not worried about me.
Now, can you wave? Good boy.
They can throw me in jail for a year,
I don't care.
I'm not obligated to anybody
except this kid right here.
Can you take a bow? Good boy.
Happy birthday, dear Apollo!
Close-up magic.
You always have to keep
your eye on the ball.
Hello?
So, I'm just kind of talking
about this as a hypothetical.
What would generally be her exposure?
What would be a possible way
out of the situation?
So, none of it sounds good.
PETA has been exhausting
a lot of resources to find Tonka.
And after the beginning of 2022,
we put up a $10,000 reward.
If Tonka is still alive
and stashed somewhere,
there are people who know it.
And $10,000 is a significant incentive.
They've actually put us in harm's way.
You have these kooks
that feel like they're vigilantes
that's gonna go out and
they're gonna seek this reward.
One of these days,
I'm gonna be on the couch
and someone's gonna come
banging on the door
looking for Tonka.
People who own exotic animals
know that we're a threat to them.
We know their secrets.
As I get older,
this doesn't get any easier.
I would say somewhere close
to seven years.
It started off kind of
just being play buddies
and hanging out, and over time, we kind of
created a different relationship.
I became more of like a nanny of sorts.
Hands down,
the best moments I'll ever remember.
I mean, like, one of my favorite moments
was the first time
I ever gave him chewing gum.
He sat in the mirror
and watched himself chew gum.
Just fascinated by it.
Very chewy.
My not working there anymore
didn't have anything to do with Buck.
The ape was great,
but I couldn't deal with the human.
Tamara, do you not want to be involved
in getting Buck's story out?
Because it's gonna get done
with or without you, and I,
I don't
Tamara wanted
the entire community to believe
that she was constantly
building and constructing
a project that was gonna
benefit Buck's long-term life.
She was gonna build
an outdoor enclosure area.
It was going to be,
you know, two stories tall.
It was going to have fire hoses
and tire swings.
But nothing was ever built for him.
He wasn't happy.
He didn't get to go hang out
in the jungle,
climb trees, eat fruit,
meet ladies, you know,
get in fistfights, get laid.
He didn't have friends and
playmates and shit, you know?
Just my wonderful mother.
Around that time is when Tamara
had Buck castrated.
He was no longer being
treated like the baby boy.
He was now being treated like an animal,
wearing padlocks around his neck.
And that graduated to the shock collars.
When he would get upset,
his bowel would empty.
So, she bought a portable commode.
However, she was so bad at emptying it,
that there would be days
when it was completely full.
Tamara absolutely deprived
Buck of everything
that he needed to be an ape.
She had created this whole fantasy,
and anybody knowing the truth
about that property,
that was gonna uproot
and just ruin that fantasy.
When PETA initially found out about Buck,
we were able to find
some photos on Facebook.
She was just letting Buck
live freely in the home.
That was alarming to us.
So, PETA submitted a complaint
to Oregon Wildlife Authorities
about violations at Brogoitti's.
Out of the blue one day, I got a call,
and the person said, "This is Tamara."
She behaved erratically.
She would sob.
She would accuse me
of trying to steal Buck.
And then she invited me
to Oregon to visit Buck.
She thought that she was going
to be able to convince me
that she was giving Buck a great life.
They tried to make that appointment,
make that day to visit Tamara and Buck,
and Tamara ghosted them.
It's Tamara's inner turmoil.
"On the one hand, I want
to show everybody this ape,
"and I want to make sure that
everybody's looking at me.
"But on the other hand,
please don't look at my ape,
because if you're the right people,
you're gonna know it's wrong."
She's going to stall until
she can buy herself enough time
to figure out how she's going
to get through it.
We were so desperately trying to get him
into an appropriate environment,
but Tamara wasn't going
to let that happen.
With this new pressure on her,
she was panicking.
Tamara had been isolating herself
and Buck more and more.
And he could no longer go into town,
and he could no longer go out
into these businesses.
Couldn't bring friends over to the house.
They would have seen how neglected he was.
She just wanted him to sit still
and hang out with her
while she was drinking her scotch.
Come here, Tonk.
I know you want to see.
He likes to watch Instagram.
Like this one.
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grow the exact same rate
If PETA wasn't hardcore after him,
we'd let you go out.
If Tonia still has Tonka,
Tonka's alive and she's hiding him,
she's kind of trapped.
What can she do?
You know, she's got this chimp.
She can't really take him out
and go for a walk
'cause everyone will see her.
Voilà!
If this is happening, she must know
what a dangerous thing it is for her.
Put it on your neck.
PETA are still observing,
and people are eventually
going to find out.
Where's Tonka?
Where's that old Tonka?
There he is!
He's off and running.
Let's put these on and show everybody.
I've never met Tonia.
To me, she's a woman wronged,
and spurned, and furious
at her love being wrenched from her.
I have great empathy for that,
for that feeling.
I loved that chimp so much.
I had a special, special bond.
So, I understand if she has that.
And I truly understand
how you behave crazily
for what you consider to be your family.
I mean, I really do feel sorry for her.
I truly do,
I really have great empathy for her.
But I have more empathy for Tonka.
So, then I put up another
$10,000 to match PETA's,
just in the hope that someone
will come forward
and help us get some information.
Are you scrubbing?
Are you scrubbing?
Are you working?
You better work for yourself, boy.
You almost did one!
Come on, you can do it! You can do it!
Oh, not that one!
Tonka, use your fork.
It's important for me not
to overreach into the story,
but just document it, and let the viewers
at the end of this story
come to their conclusion.
That's always the best device, sure.
But, you know,
we had obviously never thought
in our wildest imagination
we would be in a situation like this.
Do we turn her in,
or do we continue following the story?
What would you do
in a situation like that?
As journalists,
we don't want to do something
that's morally, ethically wrong,
but we are looking at how
we can act to get the story.
And you have to hope that the end result
is more positive than negative.
Is there a greater good?
Do you feel comfortable
that there won't be something negative
that will occur if you wait?
Keelie says, "Up yours, PETA."
Oh, the cover right here
of "Variety" magazine.
This little bastard, look at this article.
This is all bullshit.
He didn't care about Tonka,
'cause that movie
was done in 1997,
and he didn't even know
anything about Tonka.
Never offered to come visit,
never offered to bring him a gift,
never offered to send him anything,
never cared about where he was
until PETA pledged
the campaign against Connie,
and they paid him to get involved.
Just absolutely pisses me fucking off.
This is very bad on their behalf.
Very bad.
I know the pressure that you're under
from all of this.
Alan Cummings' reward or PETA's reward.
Man
Yeah. How do you feel about that?
I know. I know.
I'll get the crew together
and we'll figure out when we're coming.
- Yeah, she's gonna euthanize
- Tell us. Tell us. Tell us.
No, the chimp is in bad
Okay, I'm not a vet,
but you can see that the chimp
is in failing health.
Would she really kill the chimp
and make her problems worse?
Well, there is no problem, is there?
Because the chimp doesn't exist.
If the chimp goes away,
the liability goes away
from everybody involved in it.
Do you think this sounds awfully similar
to the chimp in Pendleton?
Yes.
I don't know a lot about PETA,
but they like to take animals
away from people.
And my mother just said,
you know, pretty much,
"Fuck you, I want to do this to the end."
She tried to get me
to go move back up there.
I said no.
And then she got my sister, April,
to go stay up there to help.
Buck had now been completely confined
to just the upstairs.
The downstairs room that he had
lived in his entire childhood,
now, some stranger's living in there
with all of their stuff in there.
Every day, Buck and my mother would go out
and have their coffee and tea.
The protocol was, before she let Buck out,
Mom would call my sister
to make sure the door
is locked downstairs.
Well, everyone forgot protocol.
As soon as Mom let Buck out,
he ran down there
wanting to go see my sister.
And then, it began.
It lasted between five and eight minutes.
A bloody fight.
She was lying in bed, kicking at him,
trying to defend herself.
If Buck wanted to kill April,
he could have.
But he stopped.
And after it was done
he looked at my mom like he was confused.
He was like, "I don't know what happened.”
911, what is your emergency?
What's going on?
When Tamara makes the 911 call
I'm gonna go through the brush right here.
the very weird thing
is that she is calm as can be.
Yeah.
Well, he just moved.
Tamara was done paying for him.
She was done being isolated.
There's a secondary fence under the patio.
She was looking for a way out,
but she was never going
to let it be through PETA.
Buddy?
Alright,
I'm gonna try to get in for a shot.
Hey.
Is there somebody there?
Okay.
He's down.
Okay.
He took some big chunks
out of her legs, her torso.
It was horrible.
I mean, it was like a shark bite.
Sweetheart, I'll be up at the hospital.
I'll be there.
I love you, April.
Everything's gonna be okay.
It's gonna be okay, baby.
I'm sorry. My sister's okay.
Only because she's like
the toughest human being alive.
But it had to be done.
The shooting was 100% justified,
without question.
Something else should have happened.
He should not have been shot in the head.
Should not have been killed.
As soon as I found out that Buck died,
I called Tamara.
She didn't talk to me for very long,
and she told me that
Buck's death was my fault.
What hurt me was not
that Tamara accused me
of being responsible for Buck's death.
It was just the complete senselessness
of his death in the first place,
especially when we were
making progress, and
It's just awful that that happened to him.
Ready? Here's your last one.
Yes, you're a snot-face.
I believe that Buck
is a victim of circumstance,
and he is a victim of humans.
And I understand it is a beautiful baby
that you feel so incredibly bonded to.
And it is so strong, and it is so loving.
But it is so for you.
And it is at the expense of the ape.
They don't understand.
They don't understand.
Because there is going to come a day
when no matter how much you love him,
he needs more than you can provide.
We have some urgent information
that we have to talk
to you about immediately.
It echoes a very similar storyline
as Buck and Tamara in Pendleton.
And we don't want that outcome.
This is a phone
conversation that we recorded.
Thank you so much
for sharing this information.
It is critical, it's effectively
what we've been looking for.
And we will do everything
we possibly can with it.
And at least from my perspective,
I think we're ready to discuss
what that something is
and how we're going to do it.
Should we go off the record?
- I think so.
- Okay.
Let me get down over here.
I'm gonna go through the brush right here.
32, 42, 3202.
Alright, copy.
Yep.
- Got it?
- Yep, he just moved.
Do you want to play? Do you want to play?
Okay, Mom says okay. Mom says okay.
Cheater, cheater.
Now you're cheating. For sure!
So, we followed this story for a while
and Tonka was supposed to be deceased.
Yes.
How do you explain that?
Gimme.
I already said Tonka will never go
to the chimp sanctuary.
I opted to go against the court order.
His health doesn't allow him
to make a 14-hour travel
to Florida sedated.
It'll kill him.
All this right here, that's not fat.
That's fluid.
He's definitely
in congestive heart failure.
There's not even a question about that.
I want to make sure that
he lives as long as he can,
and live with people
that can interact with him daily
and do things with him.
We're down here all the time,
and he's got an iPad.
It's not a real iPad.
It's a kid one, but it has internet.
He has his own email account.
Even though, I mean,
I hope he don't email,
but if he does, it is what it is.
Here, see.
He's gonna clean his window
'cause he messed it up.
Wipe it down down here,
where you made that mess, clean it.
I think we made it worse, but maybe not.
Here, down here.
Good job. Good job.
- That's Tonka.
- Yeah.
Oh, my God.
I don't even know what to say.
It's so insane.
Part of me is saying this
is the craziest story ever now.
And part of me is thinking, what do we do?
- Oh, my God.
- We gotta call Dwayne.
Yeah.
I mean
Well, I'm not sure.
I guess the question is,
you know, is Tonka okay?
I think that we just take it, you know,
week by week right now, okay?
Okay, alright, Dwayne.
Talk to you later. Alright, bye-bye.
If we turn her in, that's it.
You know, she won't lead us
to anybody else.
And I always felt
as though there could be
other people that she knows.
I know there's other people
that she knows keeping chimps.
I don't know
if it's the right thing to do.
You know?
I don't know.
I don't know.
Let's back up to the summer.
PETA took the other chimps.
Where was Tonka?
Tonka was actually on the run with me.
I mean, literally on the run with me.
Before PETA came and took the kids,
Tonka had a massive stroke.
I feel like God gave me that opportunity,
and I just took advantage.
Basically, we just demised
a plan to just say he died.
I found him dead.
He was in his cage. He did not move.
We knew that Tonka's time was limited.
I had no reason at all to fake his death.
I've got a box of ashes that is his,
I mean
And if anybody wants me
to take a lie detector test
When they found out Tonka was dead
I'm glad he's dead. Literally dead.
He was dead!
I gotta stop!
I can't do this.
The night before
PETA came and took the chimps,
after the film crew left,
Jerry and I started preparation
to get Tonka sedated.
It took us till 3 a.m.
We went ahead
and just went to the Holiday Inn
2.4 miles from the facility.
But we couldn't leave him in the trailer.
We put him in the bathroom
in case he peed,
'cause we're not gonna trash a hotel.
I waited until I heard
that PETA hit the facility.
And then, we just drove straight to Cy's.
Oh, yeah. I texted him to let him know
we were on our way.
Cy is a chimp guy,
but I had never met him.
I met him the day I dropped Tonka off.
My best place was to pick somebody
that had chimpanzees
that I could blend Tonka in.
And Cy was the perfect person
because Cy had a male chimpanzee, Ricky.
Ricky happened to die of liver failure.
So, nobody would have known
that that was Tonka.
Three Chicken McNugget happy meals.
We want the extra fries,
and can we get chocolate milks with those?
Hi, you've reached Cy
at Union Ridge Wildlife Center.
We're all busy monkeying around,
so please leave a message
and someone will return your call.
Cy is not open to the public.
His is a private collection.
He has, like, some tigers
and some other animals,
as well as the chimps.
How does he fund it?
Where's the money from?
That, I'm not sure of.
I hear my girls. They hear me.
Do you hear 'em? The girls heard me here.
They know me. They know me.
Hey, girls!
Happy girl.
You're my favorite girl. Gimme kiss.
Are you happy, girl?
They look really good, Cy.
- What?
- They look amazing.
This was an opportunity for me
to do something for someone
that I would want done for me
if I was in the same situation.
You're shaking, baby girl!
Okay, okay, okay, already.
I didn't know Tonia,
but I'd seen some
of my own friends in Ohio
lose their animals
because they weren't willing
to, you know, adjust to the new rules
and regulations.
Tonka was here for at least six months.
Tonia drove here regularly,
even if just for an evening.
Hi, girlfriend.
PETA didn't know the connection
between Cy and I, so it was perfect.
When we came to Cy's,
we were very careful.
We would always be doing
a transport some place else,
so they would have had to have followed us
for many, many thousands of miles.
Do you want these nuggets?
There you go.
Here's your sauce.
Hey, baby girl.
You better stop. You better stop.
The Union Ridge Wildlife Center
provides sanctuary
to animals that are being displaced
for one reason or another.
I'm looking into expanding
the sanctuary's efforts with Great Apes.
This is the next project
for the outdoor yard.
I wanted to make it look
like a hamster cage,
and even painted the obnoxious colors.
But then, this is actually what it'll
what the actual shape will look like,
and this is the back of the building here.
And then, you got the two domes.
And then, as we gain
some creative funding sources,
you know, we'll be able
to house up to 24 chimps.
That's amazing.
I had to really try to sell Tonia
on trusting me.
You know, I've made choices
that have really
screwed that up
in a lot of people's minds.
I mean, if you just Google "Cy Vierstra,"
I was the township fiscal officer.
I had gotten hooked on buying
random things off the auction.
When I ran out of money,
I started spending township money,
always intending to put it back.
But it got really, really out of control.
If he doesn't pay that $340,000,
there's a nine-year sentence on the table.
So, they're throwing
the book at him, per se.
Can I see one?
Oh, Anna, it's okay.
Let me see your nails.
You were already
in trouble with the law.
Then, you helped Tonia defy a court order.
Doesn't that worry you?
No.
I wasn't scared at all.
I was prepared to be confronted
by anybody.
Once I announced
that Tonka had passed,
Jared Goodman, the attorney for PETA,
contacted me wanting proof.
So, I was like, "Okay, I cremated him.
I cremated him!"
It looks like dirt, but it's very fine.
We knew there was no real basis
to believe that Tonka had actually died.
Frankly, given her lies
up till this point in the case,
it was remarkable that she expected
anyone to believe this.
So then, they're like, "Okay, well,
we need some ashes." So, I'm like,
"Okay, where am I gonna come up
with these ashes?”
It was so important to me to help Tonia
protect her relationship with Tonka.
So, I said, "You know,
I've got Ricky out there.
"What a better purpose for him
to be part of this
greater scheme of things."
So, we dug him up.
But I mean, he was very much,
80% decomposed.
Now, mind you,
I had already removed his head.
I did want to preserve his skull.
When our house
by the lake was ready,
we went to go pick up Tonka and Ricky.
So here, we had this chimp body
in the back of our truck
with the fugitive going all the way
from Ohio to Missouri.
And if we would have been
stopped for any reason,
they would have thought
that was a human remain,
'cause they're so closely related.
With no head.
Like a Jeffrey Dahmer thing.
You're so funny.
This house was perfect.
It's up off the road.
It's in a rural area. Nobody bothers you.
I got your butt. I got your butt.
And he's very quiet.
Even though there was
people here constantly,
they had no clue that there
was a chimpanzee here.
People spent the night here, did not know
there was a chimpanzee here.
She even kept it from me for a while.
The first little bit of my time here,
she wouldn't let me go downstairs.
And I'd never understood why.
One day, I came down here,
and I just saw him,
and I was just like, holy crap.
It's very stressful,
you have to watch your P's and Q's
when you talk to people.
In all intents and purposes,
he's a fugitive.
It's like walking on eggshells, man.
While it's a worthy cause
for this boy, 100%,
it does scare me.
I'm just afraid that she might, you know,
get too caught up in this
and not worry about herself.
'Cause that's how she's always
been her entire life.
I think God has plans for everybody.
And I think I was just planned
to be a caregiver.
God gave us marriage for
the well-being of human society
and for the birth
and nurturance of children.
I got married when I was young.
My husband was quite a bit older
than I was.
He didn't believe in women working,
but I always felt like
I had a need to do something.
So, he allowed me
to become a foster parent.
I was 19 years old
and the youngest foster parent
in the state of Missouri.
I've had approximately 75 foster kids,
and then some medically
necessary placements, too.
You start hanging around
those special needs kids,
and you realize they were kind of like
the kids that were left behind.
So then, of course,
that's the kids I wanted to help most.
That's how I got my daughter
when she was six weeks old.
She had fetal alcohol syndrome,
so she required lots and lots of care.
I got to adopt her officially
when she was a little over two years old.
The judge said,
"Are you sure you want to take this on?
Because she'll probably never
be a productive citizen."
And I said, "I've had her
ever since she was a baby.
Why would I change that now?"
And then, I found out
I was pregnant with my son,
the only biological son I have.
The two kids were the most important thing
for many years.
Then, my kids started
doing their activities
and being gone,
and so I was there by myself.
I remember the time
she picked me up from school,
and I noticed little
premature diapers in the back.
And so, I asked her, I was like,
"Are we having a
Am I having another brother or sister?"
And she said, "Yeah, something like that."
Life kind of just revolved
around the monkeys.
If I had a school event or whatever,
and the monkeys had to be watched,
she'd stay home and watch the monkeys.
There was an underlying feeling
of just kind of feeling like,
I don't want to say abandoned,
but definitely just feel like
"Where do I fit into the picture?"
I love these chimps more
than anything in the world,
and I mean more than anything
more than my kids,
more than anything,
and I want these chimpanzees
At the court hearing, she literally said,
and I quote, "I care about these monkeys
more than I care about my own kids."
Yeah, and that kind of felt like that was
the mentality a lot of times.
What are you doing, Bubba?
What are you doing?
I don't have the emotional
attachment to this animal
quite like she does.
I have one, but it's nothing like hers.
I mean, I've never seen her
that passionate
about anything in my life, you know, ever.
And that includes her own son.
It does scare me because my mom
thinks with emotion
and not sometimes with logic.
You know, she said it several times,
"If they take him away,
I don't have nothing."
I think she feels that nobody needs her.
I love her to death
and tell her all the time,
and I think if you asked her,
she would say
that I don't need her,
and she's not important
in my life, which is very untrue.
I truly think she feels that way.
That's where the big attraction
to these primates comes in.
They're like children that never grow up.
So, they're constantly
gonna need her care.
Twenty-four hours a day,
seven days a week,
365 days a year, that's the monkeys.
I'll be honest with you,
I used to hate the idea
of being around them and stuff,
but the joy that she has
for taking care of these animals, man,
like, I'm telling you,
you can just tell she's happy.
And I can't get in the way of that.
There is this culture
of almost entirely women
who raise chimpanzees and monkeys
as if they're babies.
They have to create this myth
that "This animal is my son."
Stop. You need to stop the biting.
Stop.
"He's part of my family."
They have outfits for Valentine's,
for St. Patrick's, for Christmas,
for Fourth of July, everything.
But this family dynamic is a fantasy
that inevitably ends in tragedy.
And that was the case
with Buck in Pendleton.
Pendleton is a Western town.
We pride ourselves on being rural Oregon.
We are a conservative town,
but we are also
a very tight-knit community.
Everybody here kind of knows everybody.
But I never knew about Buck.
Until the day Tamara Brogoitti
walked into my store
with a chimpanzee on her back.
This is my little scrapbook.
Over the years, I kind of
collected a handful of pictures.
That's me and my buddy,
when he was just a small tyke
riding on my back.
Bucky backpack.
But he was a little fellow.
That was probably very early on
in my time there.
When I first met Buck,
he at the time would have been
about three, four years old.
One day, I was at work.
Tamara came in with this ape on her back,
and he immediately
crawled down off her shoulder
to come greet me and say hi to me.
He gave me kind of a little hug,
and he kind of sniffed me
and checked me out everywhere.
We seemed to have a moment there.
So, once she asked me if I would like
to have a playdate with Buck,
I, of course, you know,
was over there in a heartbeat.
We got monkey.
When I first came into the home
and saw how Tamara was raising Buck,
it was very easy to be dazzled.
He lived like a little boy.
He took bubble baths.
He went potty on the toilet.
What do you do when you pee?
Thank you.
He had a skateboard. He had puppies.
She's gonna eat you.
And you're just sitting there
sucking your thumb
like a wiener.
Are you cuddling my foot?
I spent at least four
to six days a week down there.
I was there with him
every moment I wasn't working.
Both hands on the wheel. Safety first.
We had quite the relationship.
You ready for your next bite,
Your Majesty?
You look ridiculous, dude.
Especially with the one shoe.
Tamara would take Buck to a lot
of our local establishments.
Hardware stores. Fast food restaurants.
The local pizza place delivered
lots of pizzas up there.
I've never delivered to a chimp
ever before.
When I get up there,
he would take my hands,
and we'd jump up and down.
He loved the pizza.
He was kind of our little local rock star.
And lots of people knew that maybe today
was the day they got to see the ape.
We'd go down to the tavern.
Tamara would bring Buck
down there to eat dinner with 'em.
And he sat down there just like
a human and ate his food.
Very well-mannered at the dinner table.
Tamara was friends with my mom,
and she encouraged me to come over.
It was good for Buck.
He needed to socialize.
When I was coming up the driveway,
he would jump into my arms,
and he would just be shaking
while he was hugging me.
Buck was the most extraordinary thing
that this town has ever had to offer.
He was amazing, and he was beautiful.
And what about Tamara?
Tamara Brogoitti.
She was a regular at the liquor store.
Tamara Brogoitti did not walk in
and buy a fifth of booze.
We got six half-gallons
and we put them in a box.
She was a lonely woman,
her husband had died.
And after he passed,
she would take his clothes
and put them on Buck.
As far as Tamara's children go,
there was a lot of resentment.
I love my mother with all my heart.
But she is one tough, mean old lady.
And that's about
what I gotta say about her.
That's about it.
Okay, roll film.
Buck was the most
beautiful animal I ever seen.
A lot of those chimpanzees
are ugly as sin.
And he was very handsome.
He's the Tom Brady of chimpanzees.
My mother loved that thing
more than she loved me.
He slept in her bed with her.
That was her teddy bear.
Buck was Tamara's life at that point.
She said that she was a primatologist
doing research or a study.
She was gonna be the first person
to ever raise a chimpanzee
in a family setting.
I mean, that was it.
There was no questioning that.
Not the case.
I found her to have graduated
from Everett Community College in 1986.
She did not have anything
that qualified her in any way.
And I don't know that she really regarded
Buck's safety, his well-being.
It was more about
her getting attention for him.
I didn't think it was
gonna happen quite this way,
but I knew that Buck was never
gonna be completely safe
in her care long-term.
Bring me the star!
Tonka, sit.
I know. I know.
You're my best friend.
I know, you're my best friend.
That tickles.
My mom cares about this animal.
I think there's a bond.
I think she saved him
and he saved her, honestly.
I just wish PETA would see
my mom's side of the story.
They think she's doing it
for some kind of notoriety.
They don't see the compassion
that she really has.
She's trying to rescue this animal
from what she believes
is not a safe environment.
He can't be with other chimps
like what they wanna do with him.
They want to put him in a chimp sanctuary,
and they can't do that.
Any time that there's an altercation
with other chimps and stuff,
he won't fight.
He's such a human chimp.
He doesn't know how to fight.
He doesn't want to fight.
He just submits.
Even at Cy's, he got his butt kicked.
He's had, one time, 360 sutures.
He's just so docile.
He has no mean bone in his body.
And so, these other monkeys
bully him and gang up on him.
It just doesn't make any sense to me.
Like if you know he's gonna go
into something he can't survive,
then why would you do that?
You want something to drink?
Give me that paper.
My biggest fear is this kid.
It's not me, and everybody's like,
"Well, I'm worried about you."
I'm not worried about me.
Now, can you wave? Good boy.
They can throw me in jail for a year,
I don't care.
I'm not obligated to anybody
except this kid right here.
Can you take a bow? Good boy.
Happy birthday, dear Apollo!
Close-up magic.
You always have to keep
your eye on the ball.
Hello?
So, I'm just kind of talking
about this as a hypothetical.
What would generally be her exposure?
What would be a possible way
out of the situation?
So, none of it sounds good.
PETA has been exhausting
a lot of resources to find Tonka.
And after the beginning of 2022,
we put up a $10,000 reward.
If Tonka is still alive
and stashed somewhere,
there are people who know it.
And $10,000 is a significant incentive.
They've actually put us in harm's way.
You have these kooks
that feel like they're vigilantes
that's gonna go out and
they're gonna seek this reward.
One of these days,
I'm gonna be on the couch
and someone's gonna come
banging on the door
looking for Tonka.
People who own exotic animals
know that we're a threat to them.
We know their secrets.
As I get older,
this doesn't get any easier.
I would say somewhere close
to seven years.
It started off kind of
just being play buddies
and hanging out, and over time, we kind of
created a different relationship.
I became more of like a nanny of sorts.
Hands down,
the best moments I'll ever remember.
I mean, like, one of my favorite moments
was the first time
I ever gave him chewing gum.
He sat in the mirror
and watched himself chew gum.
Just fascinated by it.
Very chewy.
My not working there anymore
didn't have anything to do with Buck.
The ape was great,
but I couldn't deal with the human.
Tamara, do you not want to be involved
in getting Buck's story out?
Because it's gonna get done
with or without you, and I,
I don't
Tamara wanted
the entire community to believe
that she was constantly
building and constructing
a project that was gonna
benefit Buck's long-term life.
She was gonna build
an outdoor enclosure area.
It was going to be,
you know, two stories tall.
It was going to have fire hoses
and tire swings.
But nothing was ever built for him.
He wasn't happy.
He didn't get to go hang out
in the jungle,
climb trees, eat fruit,
meet ladies, you know,
get in fistfights, get laid.
He didn't have friends and
playmates and shit, you know?
Just my wonderful mother.
Around that time is when Tamara
had Buck castrated.
He was no longer being
treated like the baby boy.
He was now being treated like an animal,
wearing padlocks around his neck.
And that graduated to the shock collars.
When he would get upset,
his bowel would empty.
So, she bought a portable commode.
However, she was so bad at emptying it,
that there would be days
when it was completely full.
Tamara absolutely deprived
Buck of everything
that he needed to be an ape.
She had created this whole fantasy,
and anybody knowing the truth
about that property,
that was gonna uproot
and just ruin that fantasy.
When PETA initially found out about Buck,
we were able to find
some photos on Facebook.
She was just letting Buck
live freely in the home.
That was alarming to us.
So, PETA submitted a complaint
to Oregon Wildlife Authorities
about violations at Brogoitti's.
Out of the blue one day, I got a call,
and the person said, "This is Tamara."
She behaved erratically.
She would sob.
She would accuse me
of trying to steal Buck.
And then she invited me
to Oregon to visit Buck.
She thought that she was going
to be able to convince me
that she was giving Buck a great life.
They tried to make that appointment,
make that day to visit Tamara and Buck,
and Tamara ghosted them.
It's Tamara's inner turmoil.
"On the one hand, I want
to show everybody this ape,
"and I want to make sure that
everybody's looking at me.
"But on the other hand,
please don't look at my ape,
because if you're the right people,
you're gonna know it's wrong."
She's going to stall until
she can buy herself enough time
to figure out how she's going
to get through it.
We were so desperately trying to get him
into an appropriate environment,
but Tamara wasn't going
to let that happen.
With this new pressure on her,
she was panicking.
Tamara had been isolating herself
and Buck more and more.
And he could no longer go into town,
and he could no longer go out
into these businesses.
Couldn't bring friends over to the house.
They would have seen how neglected he was.
She just wanted him to sit still
and hang out with her
while she was drinking her scotch.
Come here, Tonk.
I know you want to see.
He likes to watch Instagram.
Like this one.
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grow the exact same rate
If PETA wasn't hardcore after him,
we'd let you go out.
If Tonia still has Tonka,
Tonka's alive and she's hiding him,
she's kind of trapped.
What can she do?
You know, she's got this chimp.
She can't really take him out
and go for a walk
'cause everyone will see her.
Voilà!
If this is happening, she must know
what a dangerous thing it is for her.
Put it on your neck.
PETA are still observing,
and people are eventually
going to find out.
Where's Tonka?
Where's that old Tonka?
There he is!
He's off and running.
Let's put these on and show everybody.
I've never met Tonia.
To me, she's a woman wronged,
and spurned, and furious
at her love being wrenched from her.
I have great empathy for that,
for that feeling.
I loved that chimp so much.
I had a special, special bond.
So, I understand if she has that.
And I truly understand
how you behave crazily
for what you consider to be your family.
I mean, I really do feel sorry for her.
I truly do,
I really have great empathy for her.
But I have more empathy for Tonka.
So, then I put up another
$10,000 to match PETA's,
just in the hope that someone
will come forward
and help us get some information.
Are you scrubbing?
Are you scrubbing?
Are you working?
You better work for yourself, boy.
You almost did one!
Come on, you can do it! You can do it!
Oh, not that one!
Tonka, use your fork.
It's important for me not
to overreach into the story,
but just document it, and let the viewers
at the end of this story
come to their conclusion.
That's always the best device, sure.
But, you know,
we had obviously never thought
in our wildest imagination
we would be in a situation like this.
Do we turn her in,
or do we continue following the story?
What would you do
in a situation like that?
As journalists,
we don't want to do something
that's morally, ethically wrong,
but we are looking at how
we can act to get the story.
And you have to hope that the end result
is more positive than negative.
Is there a greater good?
Do you feel comfortable
that there won't be something negative
that will occur if you wait?
Keelie says, "Up yours, PETA."
Oh, the cover right here
of "Variety" magazine.
This little bastard, look at this article.
This is all bullshit.
He didn't care about Tonka,
'cause that movie
was done in 1997,
and he didn't even know
anything about Tonka.
Never offered to come visit,
never offered to bring him a gift,
never offered to send him anything,
never cared about where he was
until PETA pledged
the campaign against Connie,
and they paid him to get involved.
Just absolutely pisses me fucking off.
This is very bad on their behalf.
Very bad.
I know the pressure that you're under
from all of this.
Alan Cummings' reward or PETA's reward.
Man
Yeah. How do you feel about that?
I know. I know.
I'll get the crew together
and we'll figure out when we're coming.
- Yeah, she's gonna euthanize
- Tell us. Tell us. Tell us.
No, the chimp is in bad
Okay, I'm not a vet,
but you can see that the chimp
is in failing health.
Would she really kill the chimp
and make her problems worse?
Well, there is no problem, is there?
Because the chimp doesn't exist.
If the chimp goes away,
the liability goes away
from everybody involved in it.
Do you think this sounds awfully similar
to the chimp in Pendleton?
Yes.
I don't know a lot about PETA,
but they like to take animals
away from people.
And my mother just said,
you know, pretty much,
"Fuck you, I want to do this to the end."
She tried to get me
to go move back up there.
I said no.
And then she got my sister, April,
to go stay up there to help.
Buck had now been completely confined
to just the upstairs.
The downstairs room that he had
lived in his entire childhood,
now, some stranger's living in there
with all of their stuff in there.
Every day, Buck and my mother would go out
and have their coffee and tea.
The protocol was, before she let Buck out,
Mom would call my sister
to make sure the door
is locked downstairs.
Well, everyone forgot protocol.
As soon as Mom let Buck out,
he ran down there
wanting to go see my sister.
And then, it began.
It lasted between five and eight minutes.
A bloody fight.
She was lying in bed, kicking at him,
trying to defend herself.
If Buck wanted to kill April,
he could have.
But he stopped.
And after it was done
he looked at my mom like he was confused.
He was like, "I don't know what happened.”
911, what is your emergency?
What's going on?
When Tamara makes the 911 call
I'm gonna go through the brush right here.
the very weird thing
is that she is calm as can be.
Yeah.
Well, he just moved.
Tamara was done paying for him.
She was done being isolated.
There's a secondary fence under the patio.
She was looking for a way out,
but she was never going
to let it be through PETA.
Buddy?
Alright,
I'm gonna try to get in for a shot.
Hey.
Is there somebody there?
Okay.
He's down.
Okay.
He took some big chunks
out of her legs, her torso.
It was horrible.
I mean, it was like a shark bite.
Sweetheart, I'll be up at the hospital.
I'll be there.
I love you, April.
Everything's gonna be okay.
It's gonna be okay, baby.
I'm sorry. My sister's okay.
Only because she's like
the toughest human being alive.
But it had to be done.
The shooting was 100% justified,
without question.
Something else should have happened.
He should not have been shot in the head.
Should not have been killed.
As soon as I found out that Buck died,
I called Tamara.
She didn't talk to me for very long,
and she told me that
Buck's death was my fault.
What hurt me was not
that Tamara accused me
of being responsible for Buck's death.
It was just the complete senselessness
of his death in the first place,
especially when we were
making progress, and
It's just awful that that happened to him.
Ready? Here's your last one.
Yes, you're a snot-face.
I believe that Buck
is a victim of circumstance,
and he is a victim of humans.
And I understand it is a beautiful baby
that you feel so incredibly bonded to.
And it is so strong, and it is so loving.
But it is so for you.
And it is at the expense of the ape.
They don't understand.
They don't understand.
Because there is going to come a day
when no matter how much you love him,
he needs more than you can provide.
We have some urgent information
that we have to talk
to you about immediately.
It echoes a very similar storyline
as Buck and Tamara in Pendleton.
And we don't want that outcome.
This is a phone
conversation that we recorded.
Thank you so much
for sharing this information.
It is critical, it's effectively
what we've been looking for.
And we will do everything
we possibly can with it.
And at least from my perspective,
I think we're ready to discuss
what that something is
and how we're going to do it.
Should we go off the record?
- I think so.
- Okay.