In Search of Aliens (2014) s01e04 Episode Script
The Roswell Rock
1 I'm on my way to Roswell, New Mexico, which is ground zero for modern day UFO researchers.
It's very exciting to go to a city that's steeped in alien lore, but I'm not going there to investigate the Roswell crash site because that's been done a thousand times before.
My mission involves a much more recent discovery.
I'm headed out in search of the Roswell Rock.
My name is Giorgio Tsoukalos.
I explore the world that exists between reality and speculation, the known and the unknown.
What we've been taught by mainstream scholars is not the whole picture.
But I'm convinced that every day we are one step closer to the truth.
On July 7th, 1947 an unidentified object crashed on a ranch just outside the town of Roswell, New Mexico.
The next day, the local newspaper announced that officials from the army airfield had reported the capture of a "flying saucer.
" But just a few hours later, the military revised that statement to say the object was nothing more than a weather balloon.
According to reports, the government removed all debris from the site of the crash.
And to this day not a single piece of evidence has been recovered.
Now, this to me is the most fascinating part of the story because the object that I'm here to investigate was found near the vicinity of the crash site.
So, what if it is the one piece of evidence the military missed? How are you today? Good.
How about you? Good.
Thanks.
What can I get you to drink? I'll have some coffee, please.
Would you like creamer? No, just black.
Thank you.
Okay.
What brings you to Roswell, New Mexico? I'm meeting a guy who might have potentially found an alien artifact, so I'm here to investigate.
Really? You're not the first one to ever say that walking into this Ever, right? Never.
A local man named Robert Ridge discovered the Roswell Rock about 10 years ago while tracking deer in the desert.
And he found it right near the area where the UFO allegedly crashed in 1947.
Now, the Roswell Rock is this small triangular-shaped rock of brown color.
It has this design on top of it that isn't etched into the rock, but it actually protrudes from it.
And it's interesting to me that most people I meet in Roswell have never even heard of this rock.
Robert? Hey.
Giorgio.
Pleasure to meet you.
Thanks so much for coming out and meeting me.
You bet.
Thank you for seeing me.
Have a seat.
Yeah.
How are you folks? Good, how are you today? Good, good.
Can I get you something to drink? Some iced tea, please.
Lemon? Please.
Did you bring the rock? Yeah, yeah, I did.
Oh, wow.
I did not expect this level of detail.
It is smaller than I had expected.
Definitely heavier than I expected.
I mean, the precision is Wow.
The Roswell Rock reminds me of precision-cut rocks I've seen before in other parts of the world, like the obelisks in Egypt or Ollantaytambo in Peru.
Are there any strange properties to this rock? It has some type of magnetic field in it.
A magnetic field? How do you mean? Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, it reacts to a magnet.
Did you bring a magnet? Sure.
I happen to have my magic wand with me here.
It might spin for me today, I don't know for sure, but Oh, wow.
That's interesting.
Let me see if I can Does anybody does it work with anybody, or does it work does it only work with you? Well, I guess I'm probably better at it than most.
Wow.
That is sure strange.
And is this the only space where it makes it spin? No, it The other circle It does it over here as well? Will send it counter will send it clockwise, yeah.
Oh, wow, yep.
There's something else you might find interesting.
You mess with something long enough, you pretty much learn everything about it.
And so I was messing with it one day and I got it to where it would It kind of draws to my other hand, you know, it's I try to keep this hand as still as I can and it's So it's almost reacting with your body energy.
Yeah.
That is wild.
Well, would you be opposed to show me where you found the rock? Oh, no.
I'm up for that, big time.
Yeah, really? Oh, yeah.
Yeah, let's go.
All right.
Check, please.
(Giorgio) So, what do you do for a living? Well, I've been in the paint and body business, you know, for basically all my life.
And I've owned my own shops.
Oh, that's cool.
Excellent.
All right, now you're going to need to take a right up here.
And then when you come around, you'll kind of see the terminal up there.
There's a lot of history here at this airbase.
In the '40s it was a SAC base, Strategic Air Command.
This is the place that they brought the debris from the '47 crash.
This is the place? This is it.
So, Hangar 84 must be around here.
Off over here somewhere, I believe.
(Giorgio) Hangar 84 is where the military allegedly took the debris and alien bodies after the crash in 1947 before eventually moving them to another location.
It's kind of surreal to be walking on the same tarmac.
Here's our pilot.
How you doing? Are we ready to go? We're ready to go.
Are you guys ready? All right.
Absolutely.
Let's do it.
Okay, let's get moving.
Sweet.
(Giorgio) Firing up the engines.
Let the adventure begin.
(Robert) Yee-haw.
Now, where is the crash site in relation to where you found the rock? It's 11 miles, what we call the skip site.
And what do you mean by the "skip site"? It's where the saucer made contact with the ground first, left a massive debris field.
And then proceeded back towards the mountains to where it finally came to rest.
Why do people believe that that is the spot? Jim Ragsdale and his girlfriend were up here camped.
They actually saw the craft come in and were the first ones on the scene.
That's why they call it the Ragsdale site.
They supposedly saw the bodies and everything.
There's theispott.
Ere.
This is it, right here? Yeah.
Wow.
So, do you think there's a connection between the crash and finding this rock right here? I think it's possible.
You know, the skip site is this direction.
It was a massive debris field from, you know, all accounts, that was left behind.
And so if it was moving that fast, you know, to skip off the ground like a rock on the water, why couldn't that have been thrown this far, you know? You know, the government did a pretty thorough sweep of this country when that happened.
And maybe they missed something, I don't know.
But I've thought it was special from the very first moment it hit my hand.
The military allegedly spent months recovering debris, but the sand out here is constantly shifting, so it's very easy to see how they could have missed something as small as the Roswell Rock.
Now what I want to do, too, is I want to see if we can find maybe some similar rocks around here so we can, you know, draw a comparison.
Great, I'm always up for hunting a rock.
All right.
There's some rocks right over there.
All I see is some rocks that are the same color like the sand, but it's definitely not the same, that's for sure.
Because you compare that and, I mean, it's not even, it's not even the same category.
Not a whole lot out here resembles it in any way.
(Giorgio) So I want to put these in my bag.
And so, you know, over the next couple of days I want to definitely mull over what happened today, and I'm going to go ahead and do some investigations on my own, so let's head back to the chopper.
Let's do it.
So I'm on my way to Albuquerque to see Linda Moulton Howe, an investigative journalist who has done extensive research not only on the original Roswell incident, but also on the Roswell Rock.
I have read on Earthfiles that there is a clear connection between a crop circle that was found in 1996 in England and also the Roswell Rock.
Pretty much the two designs are identical.
What can you tell me about that? At first I thought, "Could it really be identical?" And we can do a comparison here Now, on the left is the rock, the actual rock and its pattern.
And on the right is the crop formation in wheat, 120 feet long.
And when you take each item, you can measure it across, they're exactly identical.
(Giorgio) Wow.
So you clearly think that the crop circle wasn't man made.
In this one particular case, they had a pilot and a passenger who said that they had flown over the field and there was nothing there, and they flew back over, couldn't have been more than a half hour, and here was this pattern.
There were four layers thick where the crop was layered as one direction would flow and meet another and another direction would come over.
And there's no board, string, foot, nothing can do that.
It was one of the most perfect, clean lays that anyone had ever seen, meaning perfection.
What's the significance of this? I mean, it's kind of mind blowing.
Basically, we're dealing with lunar astronomy.
The moon and the sun and the tracking of the symbols, this is reflecting past, present, and future.
This is relating to space and time, that moving through the universe has got to be on a point-to-point bending space-time that quantum physicists have talked about.
I really do think something with a capital "S" is trying to teach us humans.
Now the fact that we have equal but opposite images of what appears to be the sun and the moon brings to mind a concept from the ancient Hindu texts known as the Vedas, and that is, "As above, so below.
" In other words, what happens here on Earth is connected directly to what happens up there in the sky.
The very fact that Robert Ridge's rock would have these magnetic properties, that it would spin clockwise and counterclockwise, was it constructed that way by some intelligence? Was it a fluke of nature? And, Giorgio, no one has proved this rock to be a hoax.
Linda, I thank you very much for this conversation.
The information that I've learned this afternoon has been absolutely invaluable.
Thanks very much.
Thank you.
Honestly, I really thought that this rock might be some fake, but after seeing it in person and after talking to Linda, I'm beginning to think that what we have here could be something quite extraordinary.
So now it's time to put the Roswell Rock through some serious scientific tests.
One of the biggest questions concerning the Roswell Rock is whether or not the design on it is man-made.
And those who claim it is say that because the design rises out of the rock, the most likely way that it would have been made is not with laser cutting or machining, but with a process known as sandblasting, which can be used to cut away the rock around the design.
All right, let's go.
Let's check this out.
So Robert and I decided to meet with a stonecutter to put this theory to the test.
Hey, guys.
David, how you doing? I'm Giorgio, pleasure to meet you.
I'm David.
Glad to meet you.
How are you? Robert Ridge, David.
All right.
Glad to meet you.
So, what do you have set up for us here today? Well, I'm trying to see if I can make a rock that looks like our Roswell Rock.
So you're going to try to replicate this item here? Exactly.
Going to try to show you all how we do this.
What processes will you be using? We'll be using stencils, cutting, and sandblasting.
Okay.
That's awesome.
I got a head start.
I copied the design, traced it, put it on a computer, ran it through our computer system, and cut the design, cut it in a few different sizes and of course all I had to go was by this picture, so You can get a pretty good tracing off of that.
Robert actually brought the Roswell Rock, so if you want to give Yeah.
The rock If that would help you out some.
Check it out.
What are your impressions right now? (Robert) Do you feel anything? [Laughs.]
No, I don't.
I don't blame you.
What are your thoughts? It's kind of interesting.
It's got some markings right there around that edge, that are a little deeper.
It's a 90-degree there and then it bevels around on this side, it's got this cup in the bottom here.
Very interesting.
Thank you.
Which one of you guys are going to volunteer to put that hood on and sandblast this? Every one of those cuts and every one of those are achievable by man.
(Robert) Give it your best shot.
All right.
Peel that stencil off.
First one finished gets a prize.
Oh, I was done five minutes ago, yes.
[Laughs.]
Mine's 10 times bigger.
Now, I think that this here, as a piece of art that you've just created, it looks awesome, but it does not match the Roswell Rock.
Well, of course.
It's a different rock.
These are perfect circles here and perfect cuts.
Okay, I could take my little tool and I could make perfect circles.
If you had to, you could take and knock off those little edges.
It's simply not the same.
I mean, this is an incredible creation.
Yet this and that to me right now is different.
And I know you had a half an hour to do this.
Thank you.
You know, I mean Make sure for my reputation you say that, that I only had a half an hour.
Of course.
This was supposed to be the ultimate proof that this is a sandblasted piece.
I got to tell you, Robert, I am more intrigued now than I was in the previous days.
All right, David.
Thank you very much for opening up your shop for us.
Anytime.
All right, take care, see you.
Thank you, sir.
(Giorgio) The sandblasted replicas appear very different to the naked eye, but Robert and I are going to take an even closer look under a microscope.
We're meeting with geoarchaeologist Dr.
Bill Doleman, a man who has been studying rocks for over 30 years in order to get an expert opinion on just what type of rock the Roswell Rock might be.
You must be Giorgio.
I am.
This is Dr.
Bill Doleman.
Giorgio.
Dr.
Doleman, pleasure to meet you.
Pleasure to meet you, sir.
And Robert.
Hi, Bill.
Pleasure to see you again.
You, too.
(Giorgio) We're here to look at the Roswell Rock.
Now, I know you've seen this rock before.
But we're here to draw some comparisons with some other rocks that we found in the area.
And also a sandblasted piece that we had done earlier.
So here's the rock, and then we're going to look at this under the microscope today, right? We're going to look at it under a microscope, and we're going to look at your specimens, and we're going to talk about whether that rock could have come from there naturally or not.
I can't wait to see this under high magnification.
Me neither.
Good.
Now, you found this where? Well, at the base of the Capitan Mountains.
Okay.
Let's take a look at the geology map here.
So that would be From Roswell it's Here's Roswell, and here's the Capitan Mountains right here, so we're smack in the middle of a whole bunch of blue.
The blue is limestone.
Now, this rock doesn't look like limestone to me, so, right off the bat, it seems kind of unusual and out of place.
Now, did you get any rocks from the area? I did, absolutely.
We collected some right here.
(Bill) You guys are real scientists.
Well, we do what we can do, you know? (Bill) Play the sorting game here pretty quickly.
Do some high-powered scientific tests.
Now, this is limestone.
You see, I can easily cut it with the point of a knife.
(Giorgio) You're cutting into this why? So you can determine the hardness? To test the hardness, exactly.
Limestone generally can be scratched with the point of a knife.
What I find striking The question is, where did that come from? Exactly.
Because this totally falls out of line with everything that we have here.
So, why do you think that is? Or what is your hunch on what this might actually be? Basically it's what geologists would call a pebble.
It's rounded, and that kind of rounding is very typical of stones that you find in a stream.
So, anyway, what's interesting to me is that this is a uniform color all over and that's very unusual.
As you can see, any one of these rocks has got different colors in different parts.
Do you think that this might have potentially been painted? There's some coat of paint on there? I'll tell you what I would like to do.
In fact, I've got the device right here.
I often use this to just grind down [whirring.]
And polish the surface of the rock to give myself a clean polished surface, to go through the patina or whatever is on there to really look at the rock's structure, using a microscope.
Robert, what do you think? Oh, hell no.
Uh-uh.
No.
That ain't going to work.
Well, I didn't think so.
And, actually So for all intents and purposes, this is a foreign object to this particular region.
(Bill) Even not looking at the design, yes.
It looks like it's quite probably foreign.
We haven't even talked about the design yet.
It keeps looking at me.
It's kind of hard to miss when you look at it, yes.
That aside.
Earlier, we went out there to meet with a sandblaster and he was 100 percent convinced that this is a sandblasted piece.
A fabrication.
Yes.
And so what he did was he created these replicas right here.
And we brought them to you for comparison.
I'm guessing that these are both some kind of clastic sedimentary rock.
I'm going to get it set up and you guys can take a look here.
All right, why don't you guys take a look? See what you see.
(Giorgio) Mm-hmm.
Yeah, you can definitely see a difference between the two surfaces.
(Bill) The granular structure of the rock.
Now let's put the Roswell Rock under this because that's what we came here for, to look at this under magnification.
Oh, wow.
This is wild.
The edges are so clean.
I mean, it's as if this was carved with some type of a very fine knife.
Wow.
It's crazy, huh? I'll say.
I mean, this is not even in the same ballpark as the sandblasted piece is.
I mean, here is the crazy thing, I've seen edges like this before at Puma Punku.
Puma Punku is a site in Bolivia that many scholars believe is more than 10,000 years old.
There you can find dozens of giant granite rocks that appear to be cut with extraordinary precision.
Now, no one has ever been able to explain how supposedly primitive people would have accomplished this using copper and chicken bones.
But according to the local native legends, they say that the stones weren't carved by humans at all, but by the gods.
Looking at the Roswell Rock under magnification, I'm beginning to think it's possible that this is not a carving made by some science fiction fan, but it appears to be the result of some type of advanced technology, whatever it may have been.
Now, could it be man-made? I still, of course, cannot rule that out.
(Bill) To my mind, I'm seeing, it almost looks as if that was clay that got carved with a very fine instrument.
Yeah, that's, that's (Giorgio) I mean, it's extraordinary.
As a scientist, what would you recommend for our next tests? Well, I think we need to look inside the rock and we need to evaluate two things, one, it's got a magnetic field apparently, we'd like to know more about the origins of it.
Two, we're not really sure whether it's multiple pieces, whether it has a magnet inside it.
So, I got a friend who's an electrical engineer and he has access to some very high-grade testing equipment for measuring magnetic fields.
Second of all, I've got a friend who has a CT scanner, and that's basically a three-dimensional X-ray of the rock.
And so we'll learn all sorts of things about the inside of that rock.
We're not done yet.
No, the investigation has just begun because I am definitely intrigued.
So, thanks again.
Appreciate it.
Take care.
Have a safe trip.
I'll see you guys soon.
All right, bye bye.
(Giorgio) The next step in solving the mystery of the Roswell Rock is to find out why it spins when brought in contact with a magnet.
Dr.
Doleman has arranged for a meeting with an electrical engineer, Nathan Menhorn.
And he has agreed to bring a whole bunch of sophisticated instruments from his lab to his garage where we can bring the rock and perform magnetic field tests.
So, Nathan, Robert showed me that with a simple magnet he was able to make the Roswell Rock spin.
So there are some type of magnetic properties, but we want to figure out if we can use some more sophisticated instruments to determine whether or not there's really something interesting about this particular rock that we have here.
It'd be kind of interesting to know, "A," is there really a magnetic field there? "B," what is its strength? And "C," what's its orientation inside the rock? What tests do we have lined up today? Okay, so the first test that I'd like to do is measure the field strength of the rock.
Cool.
Let's get started.
All right.
Show us the goods.
Okay.
So, we want to calibrate the magnetometer first to make sure we're getting accurate readings.
And what is this black thing right now? This just isolates the probe from any magnetic field.
Okay.
(Nathan) Now So on the tip of the rock we have about (Robert) It's going up.
(Nathan) A half to 0.
8 gauss about.
On this end close to zero there.
Close to zero there.
So the field is going to be coming out of here, so this would be the north pole of the magnet and this would be the south pole.
So, with the north pole, we're getting a positive reading because the magnetic field is coming out and it's coming back around and going into the south pole.
So let's probe around a little bit more and see what else we can see.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Whoa.
(Bill) Yeah, look at that.
(Giorgio) 7.
3.
(Robert) 6.
8.
(Giorgio) 7.
3 there for a second.
We got an 8.
1.
Near a pole there, right? It's getting higher.
(Bill) This is getting weird.
(Robert) It's the symbol that does it.
Whoa.
Wow, we got an 11.
It's the thickest part of the rock.
We got an 11 right over, over the fracture.
We got an 11.
3.
The edge of the design.
(Nathan) 15.
(Giorgio) That is pretty amazing.
There are some rocks found in nature that contain magnetite or other magnetic minerals like a lodestone, for instance, which the ancient Olmecs in Mexico actually used as a compass over 3,000 years ago.
But I do find very curious that the magnetism in the Roswell Rock seems to be concentrated in one area.
If there is a magnet, let's say, artificially embedded, then it would be right underneath this area right here.
That's correct.
Mm-hmm.
Is that something that you could imagine that there might be a magnet inside? Yes, there could be.
It's very, very, very possible.
(Giorgio) After Nathan suggested that there may actually be a magnet planted inside the rock, I was more determined than ever to cut into it to verify that it is in fact a solid rock and not some plaster cast made from a mold or painted.
And so, reluctantly, actually, very reluctantly Robert agreed to let us use a grinder on the backside of the rock.
(Bill) We're going to find something out about this rock.
I think you have amazing courage to let me do this, and I greatly appreciate it as well.
But I want you to have one last chance to say, "You know what? Maybe we shouldn't do this.
" Last chance.
Let's do it.
Let's do it.
(Giorgio) Let's do it.
(Bill) You are the man, Robert.
(Giorgio) Wow.
Here we go.
(tool whirring) (Bill) It's hard.
I'm going to try one more shot at grinding and collect the dust that comes off of there in case we want to analyze it later.
I think we need to do more grinding.
(Giorgio) Robert was genuinely affected by us grinding into the Roswell Rock.
I mean, the guy was tearing up and it's hard to imagine him doing that if he knew the rock was a fake.
This rock isn't just a novelty to him, but it's almost as if it's a part of him.
The grain or the fissure continues inside the rock.
Yeah, I can see it going in there.
Absolutely.
So that kind of confirms Robert, come over here.
(Bill) Yeah, Robert, you've got to see this, buddy.
You have to see this.
You're a bit emotional.
It's okay.
Right here, this is, this is a natural rock.
There's no question that no paint has been applied to this.
It's okay.
(Bill) Yep, you can breathe now.
If this thing was a plaster cast made from a mold, we would have found out about it right there.
But whatever this thing was made up of is certainly much harder than plaster, and we now know that it was definitely not painted.
(Bill) This is a very, very fine-grained quartzitic sandstone.
Magnetite has what we're looking for.
I am going to go under the assumption that they are the little black flecks I'm seeing in here, although I expected to see a lot more.
Magnetite could explain the Roswell Rock's magnetic charge, but we found much less than what Dr.
Doleman was originally expecting.
But why does it have a magnetic charge at all? And one that's highly concentrated in one specific part of the rock's design? That is still a mystery.
(Bill) This is much finer grained than I expected it to be.
So at this point in time I'm going to say even with this power, short of thin sectioning the rock, it might be kind of hard to determine what it is just because it is so fine grained.
And so I think that when we look at the X rays of this thing, we're going to have another chance to think about, well, is the inside different than what we can see, having only shaved off about half a millimeter? Right.
Wow.
And thank you once again, Robert, I mean, I'm just Thank you.
Good work.
got all sorts of pride in you for being willing to do this.
Thank you.
I think a lot of times, you know, when push comes to shove, people back out.
You didn't back out.
You didn't, and that to me was the telltale sign because I was holding back and I was, like, you know I don't know if this guy If he takes that rock and is like, "I'm out of here.
" You didn't do that.
"Oh, I left the real one at home, sorry.
" Yeah.
Okay, so, here's what we know.
We've established that the Roswell Rock isn't some fan made rip-off.
It's not plaster.
It's not painted.
It's a real stone with a finely carved design that cannot be easily reproduced.
It's also magnetic, but we still don't know why exactly.
So now we need to find out for sure if there isn't some little magnet or something hidden inside the rock that makes it move and spin the way it does.
Well, this is a CAT scanner and it takes a beam of X rays and passes them through a body and detects them, puts it through a computer and makes images that you can interpret.
That's fantastic.
Do you have the rock? Well, yeah.
Let's do it.
There it is.
Whoa.
I've never scanned anything quite like that, no.
So, this is a first? Let's go ahead.
Let's do it.
Okay, boss, take her away.
Fire it up.
Okay.
We're trying to come right across the design.
Okay.
You know, to show it and get it all in one plane because the surface of the rock is slightly rounded.
Right, that's the design.
(Giorgio) Wow.
We're essentially flying through it.
Right.
Right.
(Robert) Looks like a star up there.
(Giorgio) What's going on? (Robert) That right there.
See that? Look at that.
Wow, it is a star.
It's a ganglion, actually.
That's the nerves of the rock.
(Giorgio) What we see here on the screen is the inside of the rock and it appears almost entirely white, which means it's very dense throughout.
We see a gray line indicating less density where the fracture is, but overall this thing is pretty solid.
Now, if this rock was carved by some process other than sandblasting, we still can't figure out what it was.
And who would choose such a hard rock to cut into? We're looking right down the long axis of the rock and there's the design, and we're looking to see if there's any density behind that as if it were appliquéd onto the surface.
Which we don't see, so now we're paging through, scrolling through it.
It looks like the design is exactly the same material as the rock itself.
It does, it does.
(Bill) I don't see any discontinuity between the areas.
(James) I do not see any.
So, I'd like to go back to, like, at right angles, reason being this question that we had.
Is there anything inside the rock that might be responsible for the magnetic properties that it has? And nothing is present.
(James) And nothing We don't see any density in there.
But we don't see some clear cut object inside that rock Exactly.
To account for the magnetism or anything else.
The great thing is that we now know that there is nothing inside the Roswell Rock because some people have suggested that there's an inserted magnet inside or something like this, but clearly there is nothing inside of it.
That is what I was curious about.
It doesn't look that way.
Yeah.
I think this is all incredibly fascinating.
(Bill) Yeah, me, too.
It's great.
After conducting the final test on the Roswell Rock, I met up with Robert one last time to get his thoughts on everything we discovered this week.
There you are.
Hey.
Good to see you again.
What's going on? How are you? Fine.
All right.
Wow.
Wow.
What a week, huh? Man.
Before I tell you what I think, I want you to tell me, what do you think? How do you feel? I want to really thank you, you know, for coming to Roswell to see me.
I'm just thrilled that everything we've done has shored up and validated what I've always felt about the rock.
Great.
Do you have the rock here? Yeah, I happen to have the rock here.
Well, it kind of travels with you all the time.
Thanks very much.
You're welcome.
Appreciate it.
If y'all need anything else, just let me know.
You got it.
Sweet.
There it is.
This part right here you can forever tell people, well, this is where they did testing.
This is where they ground into the rock.
Right, sure.
But I know that there were some pretty emotional moments, to say the least.
Yeah, well, you know, it's, it hurt to take it from the original state that I found it in, you know.
That was the point where I was still on the fence, and then we drilled into it.
We determined right there and then that it's not a plaster piece, it's not painted, and then the CT scan.
And, of course, also looking at this under great magnification.
(Robert) Wasn't that cool? Wasn't that just too cool? (Giorgio) Yes, I mean (Robert) That blew my mind when we saw that.
Especially when I saw the incision marks under high magnification.
It's as if this was a soft piece of butter that eventually hardened.
And I have seen these type of surfaces before in other places around the world where sophisticated tools were used.
I've seen that.
I think that we have an artifact here that might potentially be ancient.
And so maybe this piece wasn't left behind after the crash, but that this is what they were looking for.
A key.
Who knows? It might truly be of extraterrestrial origin.
Now, that is pure speculation, but that does not prohibit me from asking questions.
Sure.
And we all know if those questions are uncomfortable, and I always ask the uncomfortable questions, so be it, I don't care.
Right.
So, this has been nothing short of amazing, and so before I leave, I wanted to give you one of these.
It is the ancient pre-Columbian gold flyer.
Oh, wow.
I know this.
I know this.
I know this very well.
Wonderful, I'm glad.
So you are now part of the club.
This is so cool.
Thank you, thank you so much.
You know, I hope that this won't be the last time that we see each other.
I hope not either.
So, thank you very much.
I appreciate that.
Yeah.
I'll take these with me.
Sure glad to have you.
And, you know, give me a call.
Yeah, I have your number, so Anything new about this for sure.
You got it.
All right, Robert.
Thank you, Giorgio.
Thank you very much.
All right, take care.
Have a safe trip.
So, now, when I connect the dots, what do I think that the Roswell Rock actually is? Well, perhaps it was supposed to be found back in 1947, but when it wasn't, the crop circle was made maybe as a second attempt to give us the message.
And what is the message? Maybe it's a type of star calendar letting us know that they're out there and that they plan to return one day.
Let's face it, the final chapter of this book has not yet been written.
But in the meantime, I'm off once again in search of aliens.
It's very exciting to go to a city that's steeped in alien lore, but I'm not going there to investigate the Roswell crash site because that's been done a thousand times before.
My mission involves a much more recent discovery.
I'm headed out in search of the Roswell Rock.
My name is Giorgio Tsoukalos.
I explore the world that exists between reality and speculation, the known and the unknown.
What we've been taught by mainstream scholars is not the whole picture.
But I'm convinced that every day we are one step closer to the truth.
On July 7th, 1947 an unidentified object crashed on a ranch just outside the town of Roswell, New Mexico.
The next day, the local newspaper announced that officials from the army airfield had reported the capture of a "flying saucer.
" But just a few hours later, the military revised that statement to say the object was nothing more than a weather balloon.
According to reports, the government removed all debris from the site of the crash.
And to this day not a single piece of evidence has been recovered.
Now, this to me is the most fascinating part of the story because the object that I'm here to investigate was found near the vicinity of the crash site.
So, what if it is the one piece of evidence the military missed? How are you today? Good.
How about you? Good.
Thanks.
What can I get you to drink? I'll have some coffee, please.
Would you like creamer? No, just black.
Thank you.
Okay.
What brings you to Roswell, New Mexico? I'm meeting a guy who might have potentially found an alien artifact, so I'm here to investigate.
Really? You're not the first one to ever say that walking into this Ever, right? Never.
A local man named Robert Ridge discovered the Roswell Rock about 10 years ago while tracking deer in the desert.
And he found it right near the area where the UFO allegedly crashed in 1947.
Now, the Roswell Rock is this small triangular-shaped rock of brown color.
It has this design on top of it that isn't etched into the rock, but it actually protrudes from it.
And it's interesting to me that most people I meet in Roswell have never even heard of this rock.
Robert? Hey.
Giorgio.
Pleasure to meet you.
Thanks so much for coming out and meeting me.
You bet.
Thank you for seeing me.
Have a seat.
Yeah.
How are you folks? Good, how are you today? Good, good.
Can I get you something to drink? Some iced tea, please.
Lemon? Please.
Did you bring the rock? Yeah, yeah, I did.
Oh, wow.
I did not expect this level of detail.
It is smaller than I had expected.
Definitely heavier than I expected.
I mean, the precision is Wow.
The Roswell Rock reminds me of precision-cut rocks I've seen before in other parts of the world, like the obelisks in Egypt or Ollantaytambo in Peru.
Are there any strange properties to this rock? It has some type of magnetic field in it.
A magnetic field? How do you mean? Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, it reacts to a magnet.
Did you bring a magnet? Sure.
I happen to have my magic wand with me here.
It might spin for me today, I don't know for sure, but Oh, wow.
That's interesting.
Let me see if I can Does anybody does it work with anybody, or does it work does it only work with you? Well, I guess I'm probably better at it than most.
Wow.
That is sure strange.
And is this the only space where it makes it spin? No, it The other circle It does it over here as well? Will send it counter will send it clockwise, yeah.
Oh, wow, yep.
There's something else you might find interesting.
You mess with something long enough, you pretty much learn everything about it.
And so I was messing with it one day and I got it to where it would It kind of draws to my other hand, you know, it's I try to keep this hand as still as I can and it's So it's almost reacting with your body energy.
Yeah.
That is wild.
Well, would you be opposed to show me where you found the rock? Oh, no.
I'm up for that, big time.
Yeah, really? Oh, yeah.
Yeah, let's go.
All right.
Check, please.
(Giorgio) So, what do you do for a living? Well, I've been in the paint and body business, you know, for basically all my life.
And I've owned my own shops.
Oh, that's cool.
Excellent.
All right, now you're going to need to take a right up here.
And then when you come around, you'll kind of see the terminal up there.
There's a lot of history here at this airbase.
In the '40s it was a SAC base, Strategic Air Command.
This is the place that they brought the debris from the '47 crash.
This is the place? This is it.
So, Hangar 84 must be around here.
Off over here somewhere, I believe.
(Giorgio) Hangar 84 is where the military allegedly took the debris and alien bodies after the crash in 1947 before eventually moving them to another location.
It's kind of surreal to be walking on the same tarmac.
Here's our pilot.
How you doing? Are we ready to go? We're ready to go.
Are you guys ready? All right.
Absolutely.
Let's do it.
Okay, let's get moving.
Sweet.
(Giorgio) Firing up the engines.
Let the adventure begin.
(Robert) Yee-haw.
Now, where is the crash site in relation to where you found the rock? It's 11 miles, what we call the skip site.
And what do you mean by the "skip site"? It's where the saucer made contact with the ground first, left a massive debris field.
And then proceeded back towards the mountains to where it finally came to rest.
Why do people believe that that is the spot? Jim Ragsdale and his girlfriend were up here camped.
They actually saw the craft come in and were the first ones on the scene.
That's why they call it the Ragsdale site.
They supposedly saw the bodies and everything.
There's theispott.
Ere.
This is it, right here? Yeah.
Wow.
So, do you think there's a connection between the crash and finding this rock right here? I think it's possible.
You know, the skip site is this direction.
It was a massive debris field from, you know, all accounts, that was left behind.
And so if it was moving that fast, you know, to skip off the ground like a rock on the water, why couldn't that have been thrown this far, you know? You know, the government did a pretty thorough sweep of this country when that happened.
And maybe they missed something, I don't know.
But I've thought it was special from the very first moment it hit my hand.
The military allegedly spent months recovering debris, but the sand out here is constantly shifting, so it's very easy to see how they could have missed something as small as the Roswell Rock.
Now what I want to do, too, is I want to see if we can find maybe some similar rocks around here so we can, you know, draw a comparison.
Great, I'm always up for hunting a rock.
All right.
There's some rocks right over there.
All I see is some rocks that are the same color like the sand, but it's definitely not the same, that's for sure.
Because you compare that and, I mean, it's not even, it's not even the same category.
Not a whole lot out here resembles it in any way.
(Giorgio) So I want to put these in my bag.
And so, you know, over the next couple of days I want to definitely mull over what happened today, and I'm going to go ahead and do some investigations on my own, so let's head back to the chopper.
Let's do it.
So I'm on my way to Albuquerque to see Linda Moulton Howe, an investigative journalist who has done extensive research not only on the original Roswell incident, but also on the Roswell Rock.
I have read on Earthfiles that there is a clear connection between a crop circle that was found in 1996 in England and also the Roswell Rock.
Pretty much the two designs are identical.
What can you tell me about that? At first I thought, "Could it really be identical?" And we can do a comparison here Now, on the left is the rock, the actual rock and its pattern.
And on the right is the crop formation in wheat, 120 feet long.
And when you take each item, you can measure it across, they're exactly identical.
(Giorgio) Wow.
So you clearly think that the crop circle wasn't man made.
In this one particular case, they had a pilot and a passenger who said that they had flown over the field and there was nothing there, and they flew back over, couldn't have been more than a half hour, and here was this pattern.
There were four layers thick where the crop was layered as one direction would flow and meet another and another direction would come over.
And there's no board, string, foot, nothing can do that.
It was one of the most perfect, clean lays that anyone had ever seen, meaning perfection.
What's the significance of this? I mean, it's kind of mind blowing.
Basically, we're dealing with lunar astronomy.
The moon and the sun and the tracking of the symbols, this is reflecting past, present, and future.
This is relating to space and time, that moving through the universe has got to be on a point-to-point bending space-time that quantum physicists have talked about.
I really do think something with a capital "S" is trying to teach us humans.
Now the fact that we have equal but opposite images of what appears to be the sun and the moon brings to mind a concept from the ancient Hindu texts known as the Vedas, and that is, "As above, so below.
" In other words, what happens here on Earth is connected directly to what happens up there in the sky.
The very fact that Robert Ridge's rock would have these magnetic properties, that it would spin clockwise and counterclockwise, was it constructed that way by some intelligence? Was it a fluke of nature? And, Giorgio, no one has proved this rock to be a hoax.
Linda, I thank you very much for this conversation.
The information that I've learned this afternoon has been absolutely invaluable.
Thanks very much.
Thank you.
Honestly, I really thought that this rock might be some fake, but after seeing it in person and after talking to Linda, I'm beginning to think that what we have here could be something quite extraordinary.
So now it's time to put the Roswell Rock through some serious scientific tests.
One of the biggest questions concerning the Roswell Rock is whether or not the design on it is man-made.
And those who claim it is say that because the design rises out of the rock, the most likely way that it would have been made is not with laser cutting or machining, but with a process known as sandblasting, which can be used to cut away the rock around the design.
All right, let's go.
Let's check this out.
So Robert and I decided to meet with a stonecutter to put this theory to the test.
Hey, guys.
David, how you doing? I'm Giorgio, pleasure to meet you.
I'm David.
Glad to meet you.
How are you? Robert Ridge, David.
All right.
Glad to meet you.
So, what do you have set up for us here today? Well, I'm trying to see if I can make a rock that looks like our Roswell Rock.
So you're going to try to replicate this item here? Exactly.
Going to try to show you all how we do this.
What processes will you be using? We'll be using stencils, cutting, and sandblasting.
Okay.
That's awesome.
I got a head start.
I copied the design, traced it, put it on a computer, ran it through our computer system, and cut the design, cut it in a few different sizes and of course all I had to go was by this picture, so You can get a pretty good tracing off of that.
Robert actually brought the Roswell Rock, so if you want to give Yeah.
The rock If that would help you out some.
Check it out.
What are your impressions right now? (Robert) Do you feel anything? [Laughs.]
No, I don't.
I don't blame you.
What are your thoughts? It's kind of interesting.
It's got some markings right there around that edge, that are a little deeper.
It's a 90-degree there and then it bevels around on this side, it's got this cup in the bottom here.
Very interesting.
Thank you.
Which one of you guys are going to volunteer to put that hood on and sandblast this? Every one of those cuts and every one of those are achievable by man.
(Robert) Give it your best shot.
All right.
Peel that stencil off.
First one finished gets a prize.
Oh, I was done five minutes ago, yes.
[Laughs.]
Mine's 10 times bigger.
Now, I think that this here, as a piece of art that you've just created, it looks awesome, but it does not match the Roswell Rock.
Well, of course.
It's a different rock.
These are perfect circles here and perfect cuts.
Okay, I could take my little tool and I could make perfect circles.
If you had to, you could take and knock off those little edges.
It's simply not the same.
I mean, this is an incredible creation.
Yet this and that to me right now is different.
And I know you had a half an hour to do this.
Thank you.
You know, I mean Make sure for my reputation you say that, that I only had a half an hour.
Of course.
This was supposed to be the ultimate proof that this is a sandblasted piece.
I got to tell you, Robert, I am more intrigued now than I was in the previous days.
All right, David.
Thank you very much for opening up your shop for us.
Anytime.
All right, take care, see you.
Thank you, sir.
(Giorgio) The sandblasted replicas appear very different to the naked eye, but Robert and I are going to take an even closer look under a microscope.
We're meeting with geoarchaeologist Dr.
Bill Doleman, a man who has been studying rocks for over 30 years in order to get an expert opinion on just what type of rock the Roswell Rock might be.
You must be Giorgio.
I am.
This is Dr.
Bill Doleman.
Giorgio.
Dr.
Doleman, pleasure to meet you.
Pleasure to meet you, sir.
And Robert.
Hi, Bill.
Pleasure to see you again.
You, too.
(Giorgio) We're here to look at the Roswell Rock.
Now, I know you've seen this rock before.
But we're here to draw some comparisons with some other rocks that we found in the area.
And also a sandblasted piece that we had done earlier.
So here's the rock, and then we're going to look at this under the microscope today, right? We're going to look at it under a microscope, and we're going to look at your specimens, and we're going to talk about whether that rock could have come from there naturally or not.
I can't wait to see this under high magnification.
Me neither.
Good.
Now, you found this where? Well, at the base of the Capitan Mountains.
Okay.
Let's take a look at the geology map here.
So that would be From Roswell it's Here's Roswell, and here's the Capitan Mountains right here, so we're smack in the middle of a whole bunch of blue.
The blue is limestone.
Now, this rock doesn't look like limestone to me, so, right off the bat, it seems kind of unusual and out of place.
Now, did you get any rocks from the area? I did, absolutely.
We collected some right here.
(Bill) You guys are real scientists.
Well, we do what we can do, you know? (Bill) Play the sorting game here pretty quickly.
Do some high-powered scientific tests.
Now, this is limestone.
You see, I can easily cut it with the point of a knife.
(Giorgio) You're cutting into this why? So you can determine the hardness? To test the hardness, exactly.
Limestone generally can be scratched with the point of a knife.
What I find striking The question is, where did that come from? Exactly.
Because this totally falls out of line with everything that we have here.
So, why do you think that is? Or what is your hunch on what this might actually be? Basically it's what geologists would call a pebble.
It's rounded, and that kind of rounding is very typical of stones that you find in a stream.
So, anyway, what's interesting to me is that this is a uniform color all over and that's very unusual.
As you can see, any one of these rocks has got different colors in different parts.
Do you think that this might have potentially been painted? There's some coat of paint on there? I'll tell you what I would like to do.
In fact, I've got the device right here.
I often use this to just grind down [whirring.]
And polish the surface of the rock to give myself a clean polished surface, to go through the patina or whatever is on there to really look at the rock's structure, using a microscope.
Robert, what do you think? Oh, hell no.
Uh-uh.
No.
That ain't going to work.
Well, I didn't think so.
And, actually So for all intents and purposes, this is a foreign object to this particular region.
(Bill) Even not looking at the design, yes.
It looks like it's quite probably foreign.
We haven't even talked about the design yet.
It keeps looking at me.
It's kind of hard to miss when you look at it, yes.
That aside.
Earlier, we went out there to meet with a sandblaster and he was 100 percent convinced that this is a sandblasted piece.
A fabrication.
Yes.
And so what he did was he created these replicas right here.
And we brought them to you for comparison.
I'm guessing that these are both some kind of clastic sedimentary rock.
I'm going to get it set up and you guys can take a look here.
All right, why don't you guys take a look? See what you see.
(Giorgio) Mm-hmm.
Yeah, you can definitely see a difference between the two surfaces.
(Bill) The granular structure of the rock.
Now let's put the Roswell Rock under this because that's what we came here for, to look at this under magnification.
Oh, wow.
This is wild.
The edges are so clean.
I mean, it's as if this was carved with some type of a very fine knife.
Wow.
It's crazy, huh? I'll say.
I mean, this is not even in the same ballpark as the sandblasted piece is.
I mean, here is the crazy thing, I've seen edges like this before at Puma Punku.
Puma Punku is a site in Bolivia that many scholars believe is more than 10,000 years old.
There you can find dozens of giant granite rocks that appear to be cut with extraordinary precision.
Now, no one has ever been able to explain how supposedly primitive people would have accomplished this using copper and chicken bones.
But according to the local native legends, they say that the stones weren't carved by humans at all, but by the gods.
Looking at the Roswell Rock under magnification, I'm beginning to think it's possible that this is not a carving made by some science fiction fan, but it appears to be the result of some type of advanced technology, whatever it may have been.
Now, could it be man-made? I still, of course, cannot rule that out.
(Bill) To my mind, I'm seeing, it almost looks as if that was clay that got carved with a very fine instrument.
Yeah, that's, that's (Giorgio) I mean, it's extraordinary.
As a scientist, what would you recommend for our next tests? Well, I think we need to look inside the rock and we need to evaluate two things, one, it's got a magnetic field apparently, we'd like to know more about the origins of it.
Two, we're not really sure whether it's multiple pieces, whether it has a magnet inside it.
So, I got a friend who's an electrical engineer and he has access to some very high-grade testing equipment for measuring magnetic fields.
Second of all, I've got a friend who has a CT scanner, and that's basically a three-dimensional X-ray of the rock.
And so we'll learn all sorts of things about the inside of that rock.
We're not done yet.
No, the investigation has just begun because I am definitely intrigued.
So, thanks again.
Appreciate it.
Take care.
Have a safe trip.
I'll see you guys soon.
All right, bye bye.
(Giorgio) The next step in solving the mystery of the Roswell Rock is to find out why it spins when brought in contact with a magnet.
Dr.
Doleman has arranged for a meeting with an electrical engineer, Nathan Menhorn.
And he has agreed to bring a whole bunch of sophisticated instruments from his lab to his garage where we can bring the rock and perform magnetic field tests.
So, Nathan, Robert showed me that with a simple magnet he was able to make the Roswell Rock spin.
So there are some type of magnetic properties, but we want to figure out if we can use some more sophisticated instruments to determine whether or not there's really something interesting about this particular rock that we have here.
It'd be kind of interesting to know, "A," is there really a magnetic field there? "B," what is its strength? And "C," what's its orientation inside the rock? What tests do we have lined up today? Okay, so the first test that I'd like to do is measure the field strength of the rock.
Cool.
Let's get started.
All right.
Show us the goods.
Okay.
So, we want to calibrate the magnetometer first to make sure we're getting accurate readings.
And what is this black thing right now? This just isolates the probe from any magnetic field.
Okay.
(Nathan) Now So on the tip of the rock we have about (Robert) It's going up.
(Nathan) A half to 0.
8 gauss about.
On this end close to zero there.
Close to zero there.
So the field is going to be coming out of here, so this would be the north pole of the magnet and this would be the south pole.
So, with the north pole, we're getting a positive reading because the magnetic field is coming out and it's coming back around and going into the south pole.
So let's probe around a little bit more and see what else we can see.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Whoa.
(Bill) Yeah, look at that.
(Giorgio) 7.
3.
(Robert) 6.
8.
(Giorgio) 7.
3 there for a second.
We got an 8.
1.
Near a pole there, right? It's getting higher.
(Bill) This is getting weird.
(Robert) It's the symbol that does it.
Whoa.
Wow, we got an 11.
It's the thickest part of the rock.
We got an 11 right over, over the fracture.
We got an 11.
3.
The edge of the design.
(Nathan) 15.
(Giorgio) That is pretty amazing.
There are some rocks found in nature that contain magnetite or other magnetic minerals like a lodestone, for instance, which the ancient Olmecs in Mexico actually used as a compass over 3,000 years ago.
But I do find very curious that the magnetism in the Roswell Rock seems to be concentrated in one area.
If there is a magnet, let's say, artificially embedded, then it would be right underneath this area right here.
That's correct.
Mm-hmm.
Is that something that you could imagine that there might be a magnet inside? Yes, there could be.
It's very, very, very possible.
(Giorgio) After Nathan suggested that there may actually be a magnet planted inside the rock, I was more determined than ever to cut into it to verify that it is in fact a solid rock and not some plaster cast made from a mold or painted.
And so, reluctantly, actually, very reluctantly Robert agreed to let us use a grinder on the backside of the rock.
(Bill) We're going to find something out about this rock.
I think you have amazing courage to let me do this, and I greatly appreciate it as well.
But I want you to have one last chance to say, "You know what? Maybe we shouldn't do this.
" Last chance.
Let's do it.
Let's do it.
(Giorgio) Let's do it.
(Bill) You are the man, Robert.
(Giorgio) Wow.
Here we go.
(tool whirring) (Bill) It's hard.
I'm going to try one more shot at grinding and collect the dust that comes off of there in case we want to analyze it later.
I think we need to do more grinding.
(Giorgio) Robert was genuinely affected by us grinding into the Roswell Rock.
I mean, the guy was tearing up and it's hard to imagine him doing that if he knew the rock was a fake.
This rock isn't just a novelty to him, but it's almost as if it's a part of him.
The grain or the fissure continues inside the rock.
Yeah, I can see it going in there.
Absolutely.
So that kind of confirms Robert, come over here.
(Bill) Yeah, Robert, you've got to see this, buddy.
You have to see this.
You're a bit emotional.
It's okay.
Right here, this is, this is a natural rock.
There's no question that no paint has been applied to this.
It's okay.
(Bill) Yep, you can breathe now.
If this thing was a plaster cast made from a mold, we would have found out about it right there.
But whatever this thing was made up of is certainly much harder than plaster, and we now know that it was definitely not painted.
(Bill) This is a very, very fine-grained quartzitic sandstone.
Magnetite has what we're looking for.
I am going to go under the assumption that they are the little black flecks I'm seeing in here, although I expected to see a lot more.
Magnetite could explain the Roswell Rock's magnetic charge, but we found much less than what Dr.
Doleman was originally expecting.
But why does it have a magnetic charge at all? And one that's highly concentrated in one specific part of the rock's design? That is still a mystery.
(Bill) This is much finer grained than I expected it to be.
So at this point in time I'm going to say even with this power, short of thin sectioning the rock, it might be kind of hard to determine what it is just because it is so fine grained.
And so I think that when we look at the X rays of this thing, we're going to have another chance to think about, well, is the inside different than what we can see, having only shaved off about half a millimeter? Right.
Wow.
And thank you once again, Robert, I mean, I'm just Thank you.
Good work.
got all sorts of pride in you for being willing to do this.
Thank you.
I think a lot of times, you know, when push comes to shove, people back out.
You didn't back out.
You didn't, and that to me was the telltale sign because I was holding back and I was, like, you know I don't know if this guy If he takes that rock and is like, "I'm out of here.
" You didn't do that.
"Oh, I left the real one at home, sorry.
" Yeah.
Okay, so, here's what we know.
We've established that the Roswell Rock isn't some fan made rip-off.
It's not plaster.
It's not painted.
It's a real stone with a finely carved design that cannot be easily reproduced.
It's also magnetic, but we still don't know why exactly.
So now we need to find out for sure if there isn't some little magnet or something hidden inside the rock that makes it move and spin the way it does.
Well, this is a CAT scanner and it takes a beam of X rays and passes them through a body and detects them, puts it through a computer and makes images that you can interpret.
That's fantastic.
Do you have the rock? Well, yeah.
Let's do it.
There it is.
Whoa.
I've never scanned anything quite like that, no.
So, this is a first? Let's go ahead.
Let's do it.
Okay, boss, take her away.
Fire it up.
Okay.
We're trying to come right across the design.
Okay.
You know, to show it and get it all in one plane because the surface of the rock is slightly rounded.
Right, that's the design.
(Giorgio) Wow.
We're essentially flying through it.
Right.
Right.
(Robert) Looks like a star up there.
(Giorgio) What's going on? (Robert) That right there.
See that? Look at that.
Wow, it is a star.
It's a ganglion, actually.
That's the nerves of the rock.
(Giorgio) What we see here on the screen is the inside of the rock and it appears almost entirely white, which means it's very dense throughout.
We see a gray line indicating less density where the fracture is, but overall this thing is pretty solid.
Now, if this rock was carved by some process other than sandblasting, we still can't figure out what it was.
And who would choose such a hard rock to cut into? We're looking right down the long axis of the rock and there's the design, and we're looking to see if there's any density behind that as if it were appliquéd onto the surface.
Which we don't see, so now we're paging through, scrolling through it.
It looks like the design is exactly the same material as the rock itself.
It does, it does.
(Bill) I don't see any discontinuity between the areas.
(James) I do not see any.
So, I'd like to go back to, like, at right angles, reason being this question that we had.
Is there anything inside the rock that might be responsible for the magnetic properties that it has? And nothing is present.
(James) And nothing We don't see any density in there.
But we don't see some clear cut object inside that rock Exactly.
To account for the magnetism or anything else.
The great thing is that we now know that there is nothing inside the Roswell Rock because some people have suggested that there's an inserted magnet inside or something like this, but clearly there is nothing inside of it.
That is what I was curious about.
It doesn't look that way.
Yeah.
I think this is all incredibly fascinating.
(Bill) Yeah, me, too.
It's great.
After conducting the final test on the Roswell Rock, I met up with Robert one last time to get his thoughts on everything we discovered this week.
There you are.
Hey.
Good to see you again.
What's going on? How are you? Fine.
All right.
Wow.
Wow.
What a week, huh? Man.
Before I tell you what I think, I want you to tell me, what do you think? How do you feel? I want to really thank you, you know, for coming to Roswell to see me.
I'm just thrilled that everything we've done has shored up and validated what I've always felt about the rock.
Great.
Do you have the rock here? Yeah, I happen to have the rock here.
Well, it kind of travels with you all the time.
Thanks very much.
You're welcome.
Appreciate it.
If y'all need anything else, just let me know.
You got it.
Sweet.
There it is.
This part right here you can forever tell people, well, this is where they did testing.
This is where they ground into the rock.
Right, sure.
But I know that there were some pretty emotional moments, to say the least.
Yeah, well, you know, it's, it hurt to take it from the original state that I found it in, you know.
That was the point where I was still on the fence, and then we drilled into it.
We determined right there and then that it's not a plaster piece, it's not painted, and then the CT scan.
And, of course, also looking at this under great magnification.
(Robert) Wasn't that cool? Wasn't that just too cool? (Giorgio) Yes, I mean (Robert) That blew my mind when we saw that.
Especially when I saw the incision marks under high magnification.
It's as if this was a soft piece of butter that eventually hardened.
And I have seen these type of surfaces before in other places around the world where sophisticated tools were used.
I've seen that.
I think that we have an artifact here that might potentially be ancient.
And so maybe this piece wasn't left behind after the crash, but that this is what they were looking for.
A key.
Who knows? It might truly be of extraterrestrial origin.
Now, that is pure speculation, but that does not prohibit me from asking questions.
Sure.
And we all know if those questions are uncomfortable, and I always ask the uncomfortable questions, so be it, I don't care.
Right.
So, this has been nothing short of amazing, and so before I leave, I wanted to give you one of these.
It is the ancient pre-Columbian gold flyer.
Oh, wow.
I know this.
I know this.
I know this very well.
Wonderful, I'm glad.
So you are now part of the club.
This is so cool.
Thank you, thank you so much.
You know, I hope that this won't be the last time that we see each other.
I hope not either.
So, thank you very much.
I appreciate that.
Yeah.
I'll take these with me.
Sure glad to have you.
And, you know, give me a call.
Yeah, I have your number, so Anything new about this for sure.
You got it.
All right, Robert.
Thank you, Giorgio.
Thank you very much.
All right, take care.
Have a safe trip.
So, now, when I connect the dots, what do I think that the Roswell Rock actually is? Well, perhaps it was supposed to be found back in 1947, but when it wasn't, the crop circle was made maybe as a second attempt to give us the message.
And what is the message? Maybe it's a type of star calendar letting us know that they're out there and that they plan to return one day.
Let's face it, the final chapter of this book has not yet been written.
But in the meantime, I'm off once again in search of aliens.