Killing Fields (2016) s01e05 Episode Script
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Rodie: I want to find out who brutally murdered Eugenie Boisfontaine and threw her in a ragged-ass ditch like a piece of trash.
Morgan: DNA is gonna be your key piece of evidence.
Rodie: We got our work cut out for us.
St.
Angelo: Did Eugenie have a boyfriend? A guy called Robert.
We were helping her get ready for a date with Robert, and she went missing.
Hebert: We got to get Robert.
Now.
Where is he at? Where is he now? His ashes are buried in our backyard.
You think he did it? Everybody's a suspect.
You talked to Eugenie's ex or his lawyer? He's playing dodgeball, dude.
The ex-husband-- very suspicious to me.
Sound like he got something to hide.
My gun is loaded It's what you do Your time has come, boy I'm gunning for you Since we've been working this case, we got a hell of a lot of good suspects.
But you know what? I'm not finished yet.
I'm not gonna stop till I find out who actually killed Eugenie.
And you know what? Still waiting on that DNA, and that's gonna tell us a hell of a lot.
I have a priority list.
And the main one on my damn list right now is her ex-husband.
They were married from 1990 to 1995.
They got divorced, and she took that very hard 'cause she was very in love with her husband.
In 1997, the ex said he hadn't spoke with Eugenie since they divorced.
We took him at his word then.
Now he's acting kind of squirrelly, wants his attorneys with him and all.
If he's innocent, come tell me about it.
That's all he has to do-- walk in the office and come talk to us.
We got Kathy fox in.
St.
Angelo: Closest friend we can find that's living.
So, it was a bad breakup, you would think.
Yes.
Her husband left her.
We're gonna bring her in and talk to her and see if she can enlighten us a little bit more about [bleep.]
Man, get her and get everything.
You squeeze her like a rag.
With the ex-husband acting the way he's acting and being so evasive, there's no other option but charge forward.
Kathy, come in here with us, please.
Until he's proven he's not a suspect, he's still on the radar, and we're gonna find out everything we can about him and see if we can include or exclude him.
Rodie: Come on.
Sit right here, my darling.
How you been? Miss Kathy.
Good.
Good.
Great.
Great.
Miss Kathy, we, uh-- you know, we talked to you at the beginning of the investigation.
And since then, you know, we've had more questions that we wanted to ask.
You're not gonna walk on a street corner and find a priest to give you information about a murder.
Eugenie's friends-- her sorority friends-- a lot of them has good information.
Tell me what you think about [bleep.]
I mean, she thought the world of him.
He kept to himself.
Like, when I would go and visit them, he was on the computer.
So he was, to me, very anti-social.
Right.
[bleep.]
Main thing was probably getting that-- that MBA.
It seemed like that's where all of his energy was going.
I'm gonna ask you a very important question.
Do you think any way possible Eugenie and [bleep.]
were seeing each other again? Yes.
What makes her think they were seeing each other again? You don't think she may have been embarrassed to tell you or any of her friends that? She might have been, yeah, because of the way that it ended, yes, 'cause we were all-- we were not happy with the way that it ended.
Did you find it to be any type of way volatile? Not at the time, no, but I think a lot of it, though, I was seeing through her-- Eugenie's eyes 'cause she was so happy.
Can we, uh-- can we take a break for a minute? Can I get you a glass of water or a cold drink? Ronnie wants to take a [coughs.]
[door opens.]
Hebert: What you think so far? She's got a lot of information.
[door opens.]
Yes, she does.
Let's go see what she-- you ready? Yeah.
I think Aubrey may have touched on this a few minutes ago about the, uh-- him coming back-- matter of fact, I know he did-- but him coming back and having sex with her.
You're not privy to that? No.
Okay.
That's something that was hearsay.
We need as many people as we can to talk about this case.
And if you could help us by, you know, calling your friends, you know, that were in the sorority, have their friends call their friends.
We want to put as much pressure as we can on the person-- person or persons-- responsible for this.
And I want you to find them.
[dramatic music plays.]
St.
Angelo: This case is heating up.
We have the husband dodging us.
We got multiple DNA.
We know we have multiple suspects.
This is when we go to the med I a for some help.
Rodie: The plan is to smoke this rat out by way of the press.
It's good to run ideas like this across our lawyer-- Tony Clayton.
And I can tell you one thing-- he is biting at the frickin' bit to take this case.
[paper rustles.]
Clayton: There was a hematoma to the head.
The skull was actually fractured.
We were able to Li ft any DNA from her body? Bradford: We found it in her panties that were on her body at the crime scene.
Any suspects were developed back in '97? No.
Any suspects been developed lately? Yes.
We have been looking at suspects, and we have been, you know, looking into different theories and checking some criminal hi stories and background.
The husband, to this date, has been contacted.
He has to speak with his attorney.
From what he's telling us, he do es not want to speak with us.
Rodie: In the meantime, how you feel about going to the press? Clayton: Here's what I'm thinking-- that we put out a public appeal.
It sends two sends ages-- one, that we haven't thrown this case away, two, that, "we're close to you, we're gonna get you.
" Rodie: When you go in front of the med I a, you're playing your hand to your killer, in a way.
He can run further.
He can hide what evidence we may be looking for.
But it's like throwing dice on the table, you know? You may win, and you may lose.
Eugenie Boisfontaine-- she was last seen alive in 1997, but he violent death still remains a mystery.
Now new advances in technology have given investigators hope that this case could finally be solved.
There may be some people who have some information that they didn't think was information back then, but now they know it is.
And somebody might have a heavy conscience right now.
Woman: you can help.
Investigators are asking anyone who may have information to give them a call at 225-687 Rodie: Will I ever stop on this case? I'll stop the day they throw dirt over me and I die or till I put the killer or killers away that murdered Eugenie Boisfontaine.
I just learned a week or two ago that they found some spots on my only kidney.
There's an enhancing lesion that's a bit of a concern.
Rodie: When you're almost dying you're sick, you sit and think about, "God, don't take me now.
I got a few more things I need to clear up.
Let me live a little bit longer.
" [cellphone rings.]
Hey, doc.
Man: So, let's just talk about a couple of things.
As you recall, the one kidney you have remaining has a couple spots on it.
So we'll plan on seeing you back.
Okay.
My next check-up will determine if it's cancer or if it's not.
If it's cancer, then we'll have to make a decision then what I want to do because it's the only kidney I got left.
20 years ago when I started this case, I was full of ambition.
When I leave If I don't solve it by then, I know one thing-- I'll leave it in good hands, and it won't be forgotten.
St.
Angelo: The ex is on our radar because he was married to Eugenie.
We want to re-interview him.
There's lots he can tell us.
But ultimately we want to get his DNA.
[ringing.]
Man: Hello.
How you doing, sir? My name's Aubrey St.
Angelo.
I'm a detective with Iberville sheriff's office.
Did Mr.
[bleep.]
Get in touch with you regarding me contacting him? All right.
Obviously, it's a cold case, where his ex-wife was murdered.
I'm just trying to get maybe some victimology from the ex-husband.
Well, I haven't talked to her stepfather 'cause he's deceased.
I understand you're trying to protect [bleep.]
But when you conduct an investigation, you try to talk to people to learn about the person.
You keep telling me I need things that I should know.
So, what is the possibility-- what is the possibility I could speak with Mr.
[bleep.]
In your presence? In 1997, the ex-husband was talked to on the phone, and he was ruled out via telephone conversation.
Today he needs to be sat down and talked to, just the way we're trying to do it.
So, I need to sit down like a little schoolboy, write a list of questions, then return to you and ask for your permission to get the answers? Rodie: You know, most people, really, want to do anything they can to help you in an investigation.
But the ex-husband-- nothing, nothing at all.
But he's gonna talk to me one way or the other.
Keegan: I actually hated you at times for not being there.
Now I want to be a father the opposite of my dad.
A couple years ago, he had a little girl that he was holding hostage I think, they said, against her will.
St.
Angelo: Somebody took her life and threw her in the damn water.
What is the possibility-- what is the possibility I could speak with Mr.
[bleep.]
In your presence? So, I need to sit down like a little schoolboy, write a list of questions, and return to you and ask for your permission to get the answers? We're talking to everyone that was involved in Eugenie's case.
We are trying to find out what happened to Eugenie.
We want to talk to [bleep.]
Mainly because he was married to her.
We want to question him just like I did 18 years ago.
Let me ask you this-- could you-- could you have him call me so I can speak to him personally by telephone? That's not a problem.
You can put him on speaker.
That's fine.
You can't do it sooner than that? All right, well, if you could do that, I would like to speak to him by phone, ex plain to him what we're doing, what we're looking for, and just try to, you know, put him at ease.
Appreciate it very much.
All right.
Morgan: Wow.
That was a lot of work.
Bradford: Yeah, that was.
St.
Angelo: I mean, dude, what you was trying to hide the whole time and why you was being so evasive? I told him a hundred times-- who, what, what, when, where, how? That's all we want to know.
Rodie: Y'all ready? Go long.
Go! Keegan: Unh! Ugh! I hadn't been feeling up to par lately.
[sighs.]
I just hope it ain't cancer, but if my cancer does come back, I'm gonna spend the time that I lost with my children and my grands on before the good lo rd takes me.
All right, call you chickens.
Young man: Here, chick, chick, chick, chick, chick, chick, chick, chick! Here, chick, chick, chick, chick, chick, chick, chick, chick, chick, chick, chick! Here, chick, chick! Rodie: I'm glad you come.
Keegan: Oh, yeah.
Thank you for having us.
Glad y'all came.
We should have done this a long time ago.
Yep.
You know I've always loved you.
I love you, too.
I wish I was there for you more and more.
I do.
I actually hated you at times for not being there, you know? I know.
I tell people that now I want to be a father the opposite of my dad.
Yep.
I want to spend as much time with my son as I can because I don't want him to feel like I felt.
I know, baby.
I know.
I know.
I've lived with that a long time.
You made me become the father that I am today.
Good.
I know you meant well.
Yep.
And I don't love you any less.
Rodie: Years ago, I was a better detective than a father.
Keegan: Bless us, oh, lo rd, and these, thy gifts, which we are about to receive.
All I want him to know is I love him and I loved him back then, too.
This means more to me than anything, having y'all here.
[laughter.]
[cellphone ringing.]
Mm-hmm.
Ex cu Se me a minute.
What you say? What y'all got? St.
Angelo: Hey, man.
I know you're enjoying the family, but we're getting stonsoft IPS from that news broadcast.
Can you come in this afternoon? I'm on my way, partner.
Give me about 20 minutes.
[dramatic music plays.]
Woman: Investigators have returned to the case's roots, re-interviewing witnesses and approaching the investigation with a fresh perspective.
Investigators are as king anyone who may have information to give them a call at 225 [telephone rings.]
Hebert: Detectives.
So, sir, you're calling about the homicide case you saw on the news? What's your name? You were working for that tree service? Okay.
Okay.
Did y'all ever do any work or cutting trees around the LSU area? Got a tip from the gentleman on the phone, said he got a guy by the name of Shanon thrasher.
Yes.
Was working for a tree-removal service back in 1997 around the LSU lake area.
This guy sounds convinced thrasher may have played a part in Eugenie's murder.
He's gonna come in.
I'm gonna set him up with the interview.
Rodie: When you want to get him? He's on his way now.
You called us this morning I sure did.
said you saw something on the news, right? I saw I t on the news.
They said the girl was last seen in June 1997.
I was in the tree-surgery business, and we was getting ready for the-- for the fall.
How many employees you had with you? We had me and Shanon and a couple of guys.
When you had your tree service, did you ever do any work around the LSU area? We did a job around Dalrymple.
Dalrymple drive? It comes out by LSU.
[dramatic music plays.]
Hebert: You gave me the name Shanon thrasher.
I did.
Why that name stand out to you? The name stands out to me because, a couple of years ago, thrasher had a little girl against her will.
But he was prostituting her.
And they arrested him for that.
And then a year and 10 months after the incident that-- what did he do? Well, he "allegedly" followed a 17-year-old girl up into vista trailer park.
When she went in the house, he proceeded to kick the door open.
He wasn't just going in there to play Patty-cake.
Right.
I don't know if he fits the profile or not.
That's what y'all are doing.
Right, but he was in that area, and he's a-- he was in the area.
He's a psychopath.
Just a sick, sick individual.
And evidently, he's got a thing for women.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Shanon Wayne thrasher.
[keyboard clacking.]
[mouse clicks.]
He's doing some D.
O.
C.
Time up north.
Yeah, he's got a lengthy history-- some prostitution, false imprisonment, which is the kidnapping.
Gomez: She should have been nothing.
Her scraps of clothing should just about have been disintegrated.
Why didn't that happen? Did he keep her somewhere or what? Indecent behavior with juveniles.
That is the exact same type of person-- and a drug charge-- that he'd get high, grab somebody, pull them in a vehicle, and do what he got to do.
Go grab him and bring him over here.
I don't know.
I hope he talks to us.
Me, too.
He's serving 11 years.
And he was described as a psychopath.
113-239, on the lot.
Guess we can let him sit upfront and I'll sit in the back-- we don't have a cage in here-- just in case he does go a little crazy.
St.
Angelo: You got thrasher here? Man: Yeah.
Right down the line.
Can you shackle him up and handcuff him in the front for us, please - Sure.
- And take him back to C.
I.
D.
? We want to talk to him about a murder.
But he's a smart guy.
He's an inmate counselor.
Bradford: Oh.
So, he's like a legal aid? He's a legal-aid guy.
Yeah.
We got to sweet-talk him.
[handcuffs clicking.]
My name is Aubrey St.
Angelo.
That's detective Bradford.
Oh, we're gonna go in here.
Go around the front.
Bradford: Well, he's serving 11 years right now.
St.
Angelo: And he was described as a psychopath.
[handcuffs clicking.]
[radio beeps.]
113-106 is off your lot.
110-15 around the C.
I.
D.
[radio chatter.]
Shanon thrasher was described to us as a psychopath.
So maybe this is our break.
Maybe this is a guy that just-- he was in the area, but he was off our radar.
He knows, you know, how to deal with the police.
Rodie: He's a pro.
[door closes.]
[keys clink.]
St.
Angelo: Shanon, the reason you've been brought down here is because we need your help, based on a murder that happened in 1997.
Are you willing to talk to us? How old are you now? How many years of your life have you spent behind bars? When you interrogate a known criminal, you've got to be able to read them-- body language, whether they're opened or closed to you, involuntary muscle movement, eye contact.
But look at me.
Don't look down now.
There's no body down there talking to you.
Okay.
You try to read into those kind of things, and sometimes they know that.
You really got to try to beat them at their own game.
Where you was working in '97? What if I told you, you was doing some work in '97 by the LSU lakes? You know where the LSU lakes are? We was told you was working there.
Your boss told us you was working there.
Y'all did a lot of drugs back then, huh? Yeah.
Well, that's what I'm talking about-- back then, 1997.
You ever been down bayou Manchac? Uhh Let me ask you a question blatantly-- would you hurt anybody? And have you ever hurt anybody without intentionally trying to hurt them? What did he do? Well, he "allegedly" followed a 17-year-old girl up into vista trailer park.
When she went in the house, he proceeded to kick the door open.
He wasn't just going in there to play Patty-cake.
I wonder what constitutes "intentionally" to him.
False imprisonment-- that ain't intentionally trying to hurt someone? Phew! St.
Angelo: You prefer men or women? Were you interested in women back in 97? You ever dated a lady by the name of Eugenie? You know her? This is the case we're working man.
You ever seen this lady? He's got his guard up.
You've got to chisel away piece by piece.
What makes you the saddest in life? Oh, man.
And from there, you find out where the truth is lying.
Put your daughter in that bayou.
Do that for me.
[camera shutter clicking.]
No.
Push his ass.
Don't-- don't give him a chance to catch a breath.
Keep going on him.
This is that lady in '97.
Somebody Bradford: Dumped her.
dumped her there, used that bayou as a killing field.
In that bayou, man, just left to rot.
Could you picture your daughter there after somebody took her, with cracks in the back of her head? Does nasty things to her and throws her in the water? So, you couldn't imagine that being your daughter in that body bag? Huh? [coughs.]
[coughing.]
Do you have a bag? Here, man.
Somebody took her life and threw her in the damn water, homey, and to rot-- put a tire over her, an old-ass tire and a log.
Thing is, shanon, she was having sex with somebody before she was killed 'cause we got DNA out of her underpants.
If your DNA matches her undergarments, it's gonna be worse than what it could be today.
Let me ask you a question.
Your DNA is on file.
Mm-hmm.
Would you give us a reference ample of your DNA? All right.
[door closes.]
He almost puked.
Why you didn't let him puke? 'Cause I didn't want to clean it up.
Well, Mr.
tough guy got a weak stomach.
Rodie: Yeah.
Seen that.
He was about to throw up, looked like.
What you think about his charges? Well, that's exactly right-- kidnapping, false imprisonment, prostitution, indecent behavior with juveniles.
That's a classic sign of a son of a bitch that would grab somebody, throw them in a vehicle, hit them in the head, and do what he got to do with them.
Yeah.
I'm gonna take his ass back to jail.
We got his DNA.
DNA gonna tell us.
Yeah, take him back to his home.
Tell him he looks good in his new clothes.
I hope he keeps them forever.
Well, if his DNA comes back in Eugenie's undergarments, you can tell him.
I'll be glad to.
Thank you, buddy.
Good job, Aub.
All right, man.
[telephone rings.]
Hebert: Detectives.
Speaking.
Eugenie's ex-husband has been fighting us tooth and nails on coming in and talking to us.
What kind of guy doesn't want to help find out who murdered his ex-wife? Mr.
[bleep.]
We want to interview you.
I'd like to know Eugenie, you know, on a personal level, and I was hoping maybe you could help me with that.
You could tell me some stuff about Eugenie.
Right.
The divorce-- was there a particular reason for the divorce? Um, when did you first become aware that Eugenie was either missing or dead? Do you remember? Yeah, detective Rodie Sanchez.
Okay.
Where did that take place? Do you remember? Yeah, dude.
Was it in person or by phone? When you first found that out, that would have been in 1997, I'm assuming, right, during the time when it first happened? I said when you found out that she was dead, would that have been the same year that she died, when Rodie was doing his investigation? Would it have been 1997? I know detective Sanchez spoke to him 18 years ago and told him about the death of his ex-wife.
I mean, this was all over the news.
Yeah.
You mean to tell me that no one in the world had called him and tell him, "your ex-wife's been murdered"? I find it hard to believe that he did not know anything about her death till recently.
I think that's an insult to Eugenie.
That's pitiful, and it's very sad to even think or say something like that.
You know, if he wants to cooperate with me and present-- here it is.
Here's your chance.
Not saying he's guilty.
Not saying he done anything.
He wants to play hard ball, let's break out the bats.
Bring his ass in.
[siren wailing.]
she died, when Rodie was doing his investigation? Would it have been 1997? Okay.
Well, she was taken, apparently, from her home in Baton Rouge.
And her body was located in our parish in St.
Gabriel, Louisiana.
She died a horrific death.
An autopsy report shows there was severe trauma to her head.
She was dropped off in a canal, and the body had been there for probably several weeks before she was located.
Our goal is to hopefully bring some closure to this case our goals to hopefully bring some closure to this case for her family and for you, as well, 'cause I'm sure, in the back of your heart somewhere, there is a feeling there for Eugenie.
Would you be willing to submit to a DNA swab? Okay, and, well, we could do it just as a process of elimination.
You know, if he wants to cooperate with me and present-- here it is.
Here's your chance-- "Mr.
Hebert, I will give you my DNA because I did not kill my wife, and here is my DNA.
Go for it.
" Well, and like you said, you know, he had no contact.
But this is gonna confirm it.
The DNA swab will confirm no contact.
I will be in.
[phone hangs up.]
- This is [bleep.]
- Yeah.
Every day you turned the TV on, she was plastered on that TV.
Her death was everywhere.
But he act like he never friggin' heard of that before in his life.
This [bleep.]
said he don't know anything about her death simply because he's trying to distance himself from this frickin' investigation.
He wants to play hard ball, let's break out the bats.
Bring his ass in.
Let's break out the bat.
We're gonna play ball.
Dr.
Morris: Let's go take a look.
All right.
Come on in here.
Okay.
If you look right here, this is the kidney.
As you recall, the one kidney you have remaining has a couple of spots on it.
- Gotcha.
And so when that's the case, we get concerned that it could possibly be a recurrence or a new kidney cancer.
Rodie: After you've had cancer, you're always hoping you never hear that word again, but you're always scared to walk in that office and have them say, "you know, hey, look, I got some bad news again.
" As you know, that part of your surveillance for the history of renal-cell kidney cancer is the C.
T.
S.
C.
So, we've got the report back.
You have what's called a complex cyst.
Right.
Well, the MRI showed that everything was negative, no concern for malignancy at all.
The area of concern-- the complex cyst-- is what we call a proteinaceous cyst.
So, that is great news.
That's what you wanted to hear from me today.
Most definitely.
Great, doc.
Thanks.
Thank God.
Now I'm cancer-free.
If you have any problems, you know where to find me.
- Thank you, my friend.
- All right, Rodie.
- Good seeing you.
- Thank you, doc.
- Good seeing you.
- Okay.
I still got my good days and bad days, but I still have to solve this case.
So let go find this son of a bitch.
[soft guitar music playing.]
[man humming.]
St.
Angelo: How you want to go out? How you want to be buried? I'm being buried over with my mother in grace memo rial.
I already got that taken care of.
You better start thinking about it.
You're getting kind of old.
I'm thinking about it.
Believe me, I've already planned some of it, not all of it.
What you want to be dressed in, a suit? Oh, dressed? You want to be dressed in your wife-beater? - How you want to go? - I don't know.
I ain't decided yet about that, buddy.
I think I might go in my, uh, cowboy boots, blue jeans-- I don't know yet.
When you start a murder case, you have to finish a murder case.
I done had cancer.
Good lord spared me from that.
And I feel that he kept me here for a reason-- trying to find out who murdered this young lady.
What about you, young man? How you going? You got any plans yet? Well, I think on my tomb stone, I want it to say, "heroes get remembered, but legends never die" "legends"?! You don't fit either one of them! Why don't you quit now and put something on there that says the truth, like, "here lies Aubrey--" you want to listen.
Listen.
One ornery [bleep.]
[laughs.]
Yeah.
Sad but true.
- Hey, Rodie - Yes, sir? Aubrey, Leslie, y'all come see for a second.
All right.
I want y'all to listen to something.
[sighs.]
New sends age.
Attorney: So, thank you, everyone.
Have a good day.
Bye-bye.
He done hi red another friggin' attorney.
Bradford: That's interesting.
He has hi red another attorney because he's not feeling comfortable about some things.
So, what are you not feeling comfortable about? It certainly gives me questions-- more questions than I already have.
Not saying he's guilty.
Not saying he done anything.
All we want to do is talk to him about his relationship when he was married to his wife.
All I want to know is what kind of person she was.
I want to know more than what I know now.
And there's no one can tell me that but you.
You're still pretty sharp for being an antique.
Antique.
You talking about, antique? Are you still dyeing your hair? I ain't never dyed my hair.
Stop lying.
Somebody with as much swagger as you, and you ain't dyed your hair? - Silver fox.
[chuckles.]
Silver fox? Whatever.
My wife loves my hair like this.
That's all that matters.
She takes her hand and then rubs it through my hair.
Don't ta dirty to me like you talk to them women.
Done hired another friggin' attorney.
He's a high-profile attorney.
Everybody has a right to his counsel, and I understand that-- but two? Bradford: Two attorneys? Exactly.
Why would you need two attorneys? Him hiring two now speaks for itself.
I want to hear what he has to say.
Bradford: Me too.
[ringing.]
[bleep.]
I'm doing great today, buddy.
How about you? I understand he, uh-- he retained another attorney? Okay, uh-- why would he feel the need to go hi re another attorney? When we talked last, he said he would be willing to give us his DNA, and that's basically what we was after-- his DNA.
Well, I can as sure you it's not a fishing expedition.
This is a full-fledged investigation of a homicide.
And all we're trying to do is rule him out.
Let me share a little secret with you.
We have probably interviewed 10 people at zero cost to them, period.
All they did was came in, sit down, we talked to them, they gave us their DNA swab, and they left, and we told them, "ad I Os, have a good day.
" And, again, it's just a pure investigative tool we're using to speak to everybody and move this case forward.
Okay.
Wish him nothing but the best.
How can he say he spent $15,000 already in attorney fees? Do you believe that? Bradford: Why? If we were investigating you, you, or you on a case and you were completely innocent, would you feel the need to bring an attorney with you? Even if it's my ex-wife and she got murdered-- which one? [chuckles.]
Any one that you want.
[chuckles.]
But wouldn't you say, "hey, Rodie, what you need from me, man? That was my wife.
" I'd beat the door down to get here.
I mean, geez.
I mean I just-- I don't know.
It just raises a red flag for me.
I'm with you, buddy.
If him and his lawyers don't want to cooperate, get a D.
A.
Subpoena and get his ass here.
Get his ass here.
It's been so long These long, hard days And they don't say Go D's changed my ways Rodie: The ex now don't want to give us DNA.
I guess he's following the ad vi Ce of his attorneys.
That's his right.
I think he got something deep down in his heart he's hiding.
What it is, I don't know.
Follow your heart.
Give me a call.
I'm waiting.
St.
Angelo: This guy can play all the games he wants.
He can Bob and weave.
He can duck and dive because I'm not the person you got to meet on judgment day.
So, we've got a tool we can use.
It's called a D.
A.
Subpoena.
You can go put it in his hand and force him to come back to Iberville parish.
He's playing game with us, and the game's up.
I would like to see you fully retired by the summertime.
Rodie: The ex-husband, I want to know everything about him.
I didn't particularly like him.
Check this out-- marriage certificate, state of Louisiana.
- It ain't Eugenie's.
- What? It appears he got his second wife pregnant while he was still married to Eugenie.
Ho, ho, ho, here he come.
He's backing out.
- Shut the [bleep.]
up.
Really? - He's backing out.
Oh, this is beautiful.
Morgan: We got him, Aubrey.
[police radio chatter.]
St.
Angelo: In 19 years of law enforcement, I've never seen 3 lawyers walk into that interview room.
These are your rights.
It's the Miranda-- "do you wish to make a statement or talk to us now?"
Rodie: I want to find out who brutally murdered Eugenie Boisfontaine and threw her in a ragged-ass ditch like a piece of trash.
Morgan: DNA is gonna be your key piece of evidence.
Rodie: We got our work cut out for us.
St.
Angelo: Did Eugenie have a boyfriend? A guy called Robert.
We were helping her get ready for a date with Robert, and she went missing.
Hebert: We got to get Robert.
Now.
Where is he at? Where is he now? His ashes are buried in our backyard.
You think he did it? Everybody's a suspect.
You talked to Eugenie's ex or his lawyer? He's playing dodgeball, dude.
The ex-husband-- very suspicious to me.
Sound like he got something to hide.
My gun is loaded It's what you do Your time has come, boy I'm gunning for you Since we've been working this case, we got a hell of a lot of good suspects.
But you know what? I'm not finished yet.
I'm not gonna stop till I find out who actually killed Eugenie.
And you know what? Still waiting on that DNA, and that's gonna tell us a hell of a lot.
I have a priority list.
And the main one on my damn list right now is her ex-husband.
They were married from 1990 to 1995.
They got divorced, and she took that very hard 'cause she was very in love with her husband.
In 1997, the ex said he hadn't spoke with Eugenie since they divorced.
We took him at his word then.
Now he's acting kind of squirrelly, wants his attorneys with him and all.
If he's innocent, come tell me about it.
That's all he has to do-- walk in the office and come talk to us.
We got Kathy fox in.
St.
Angelo: Closest friend we can find that's living.
So, it was a bad breakup, you would think.
Yes.
Her husband left her.
We're gonna bring her in and talk to her and see if she can enlighten us a little bit more about [bleep.]
Man, get her and get everything.
You squeeze her like a rag.
With the ex-husband acting the way he's acting and being so evasive, there's no other option but charge forward.
Kathy, come in here with us, please.
Until he's proven he's not a suspect, he's still on the radar, and we're gonna find out everything we can about him and see if we can include or exclude him.
Rodie: Come on.
Sit right here, my darling.
How you been? Miss Kathy.
Good.
Good.
Great.
Great.
Miss Kathy, we, uh-- you know, we talked to you at the beginning of the investigation.
And since then, you know, we've had more questions that we wanted to ask.
You're not gonna walk on a street corner and find a priest to give you information about a murder.
Eugenie's friends-- her sorority friends-- a lot of them has good information.
Tell me what you think about [bleep.]
I mean, she thought the world of him.
He kept to himself.
Like, when I would go and visit them, he was on the computer.
So he was, to me, very anti-social.
Right.
[bleep.]
Main thing was probably getting that-- that MBA.
It seemed like that's where all of his energy was going.
I'm gonna ask you a very important question.
Do you think any way possible Eugenie and [bleep.]
were seeing each other again? Yes.
What makes her think they were seeing each other again? You don't think she may have been embarrassed to tell you or any of her friends that? She might have been, yeah, because of the way that it ended, yes, 'cause we were all-- we were not happy with the way that it ended.
Did you find it to be any type of way volatile? Not at the time, no, but I think a lot of it, though, I was seeing through her-- Eugenie's eyes 'cause she was so happy.
Can we, uh-- can we take a break for a minute? Can I get you a glass of water or a cold drink? Ronnie wants to take a [coughs.]
[door opens.]
Hebert: What you think so far? She's got a lot of information.
[door opens.]
Yes, she does.
Let's go see what she-- you ready? Yeah.
I think Aubrey may have touched on this a few minutes ago about the, uh-- him coming back-- matter of fact, I know he did-- but him coming back and having sex with her.
You're not privy to that? No.
Okay.
That's something that was hearsay.
We need as many people as we can to talk about this case.
And if you could help us by, you know, calling your friends, you know, that were in the sorority, have their friends call their friends.
We want to put as much pressure as we can on the person-- person or persons-- responsible for this.
And I want you to find them.
[dramatic music plays.]
St.
Angelo: This case is heating up.
We have the husband dodging us.
We got multiple DNA.
We know we have multiple suspects.
This is when we go to the med I a for some help.
Rodie: The plan is to smoke this rat out by way of the press.
It's good to run ideas like this across our lawyer-- Tony Clayton.
And I can tell you one thing-- he is biting at the frickin' bit to take this case.
[paper rustles.]
Clayton: There was a hematoma to the head.
The skull was actually fractured.
We were able to Li ft any DNA from her body? Bradford: We found it in her panties that were on her body at the crime scene.
Any suspects were developed back in '97? No.
Any suspects been developed lately? Yes.
We have been looking at suspects, and we have been, you know, looking into different theories and checking some criminal hi stories and background.
The husband, to this date, has been contacted.
He has to speak with his attorney.
From what he's telling us, he do es not want to speak with us.
Rodie: In the meantime, how you feel about going to the press? Clayton: Here's what I'm thinking-- that we put out a public appeal.
It sends two sends ages-- one, that we haven't thrown this case away, two, that, "we're close to you, we're gonna get you.
" Rodie: When you go in front of the med I a, you're playing your hand to your killer, in a way.
He can run further.
He can hide what evidence we may be looking for.
But it's like throwing dice on the table, you know? You may win, and you may lose.
Eugenie Boisfontaine-- she was last seen alive in 1997, but he violent death still remains a mystery.
Now new advances in technology have given investigators hope that this case could finally be solved.
There may be some people who have some information that they didn't think was information back then, but now they know it is.
And somebody might have a heavy conscience right now.
Woman: you can help.
Investigators are asking anyone who may have information to give them a call at 225-687 Rodie: Will I ever stop on this case? I'll stop the day they throw dirt over me and I die or till I put the killer or killers away that murdered Eugenie Boisfontaine.
I just learned a week or two ago that they found some spots on my only kidney.
There's an enhancing lesion that's a bit of a concern.
Rodie: When you're almost dying you're sick, you sit and think about, "God, don't take me now.
I got a few more things I need to clear up.
Let me live a little bit longer.
" [cellphone rings.]
Hey, doc.
Man: So, let's just talk about a couple of things.
As you recall, the one kidney you have remaining has a couple spots on it.
So we'll plan on seeing you back.
Okay.
My next check-up will determine if it's cancer or if it's not.
If it's cancer, then we'll have to make a decision then what I want to do because it's the only kidney I got left.
20 years ago when I started this case, I was full of ambition.
When I leave If I don't solve it by then, I know one thing-- I'll leave it in good hands, and it won't be forgotten.
St.
Angelo: The ex is on our radar because he was married to Eugenie.
We want to re-interview him.
There's lots he can tell us.
But ultimately we want to get his DNA.
[ringing.]
Man: Hello.
How you doing, sir? My name's Aubrey St.
Angelo.
I'm a detective with Iberville sheriff's office.
Did Mr.
[bleep.]
Get in touch with you regarding me contacting him? All right.
Obviously, it's a cold case, where his ex-wife was murdered.
I'm just trying to get maybe some victimology from the ex-husband.
Well, I haven't talked to her stepfather 'cause he's deceased.
I understand you're trying to protect [bleep.]
But when you conduct an investigation, you try to talk to people to learn about the person.
You keep telling me I need things that I should know.
So, what is the possibility-- what is the possibility I could speak with Mr.
[bleep.]
In your presence? In 1997, the ex-husband was talked to on the phone, and he was ruled out via telephone conversation.
Today he needs to be sat down and talked to, just the way we're trying to do it.
So, I need to sit down like a little schoolboy, write a list of questions, then return to you and ask for your permission to get the answers? Rodie: You know, most people, really, want to do anything they can to help you in an investigation.
But the ex-husband-- nothing, nothing at all.
But he's gonna talk to me one way or the other.
Keegan: I actually hated you at times for not being there.
Now I want to be a father the opposite of my dad.
A couple years ago, he had a little girl that he was holding hostage I think, they said, against her will.
St.
Angelo: Somebody took her life and threw her in the damn water.
What is the possibility-- what is the possibility I could speak with Mr.
[bleep.]
In your presence? So, I need to sit down like a little schoolboy, write a list of questions, and return to you and ask for your permission to get the answers? We're talking to everyone that was involved in Eugenie's case.
We are trying to find out what happened to Eugenie.
We want to talk to [bleep.]
Mainly because he was married to her.
We want to question him just like I did 18 years ago.
Let me ask you this-- could you-- could you have him call me so I can speak to him personally by telephone? That's not a problem.
You can put him on speaker.
That's fine.
You can't do it sooner than that? All right, well, if you could do that, I would like to speak to him by phone, ex plain to him what we're doing, what we're looking for, and just try to, you know, put him at ease.
Appreciate it very much.
All right.
Morgan: Wow.
That was a lot of work.
Bradford: Yeah, that was.
St.
Angelo: I mean, dude, what you was trying to hide the whole time and why you was being so evasive? I told him a hundred times-- who, what, what, when, where, how? That's all we want to know.
Rodie: Y'all ready? Go long.
Go! Keegan: Unh! Ugh! I hadn't been feeling up to par lately.
[sighs.]
I just hope it ain't cancer, but if my cancer does come back, I'm gonna spend the time that I lost with my children and my grands on before the good lo rd takes me.
All right, call you chickens.
Young man: Here, chick, chick, chick, chick, chick, chick, chick, chick! Here, chick, chick, chick, chick, chick, chick, chick, chick, chick, chick, chick! Here, chick, chick! Rodie: I'm glad you come.
Keegan: Oh, yeah.
Thank you for having us.
Glad y'all came.
We should have done this a long time ago.
Yep.
You know I've always loved you.
I love you, too.
I wish I was there for you more and more.
I do.
I actually hated you at times for not being there, you know? I know.
I tell people that now I want to be a father the opposite of my dad.
Yep.
I want to spend as much time with my son as I can because I don't want him to feel like I felt.
I know, baby.
I know.
I know.
I've lived with that a long time.
You made me become the father that I am today.
Good.
I know you meant well.
Yep.
And I don't love you any less.
Rodie: Years ago, I was a better detective than a father.
Keegan: Bless us, oh, lo rd, and these, thy gifts, which we are about to receive.
All I want him to know is I love him and I loved him back then, too.
This means more to me than anything, having y'all here.
[laughter.]
[cellphone ringing.]
Mm-hmm.
Ex cu Se me a minute.
What you say? What y'all got? St.
Angelo: Hey, man.
I know you're enjoying the family, but we're getting stonsoft IPS from that news broadcast.
Can you come in this afternoon? I'm on my way, partner.
Give me about 20 minutes.
[dramatic music plays.]
Woman: Investigators have returned to the case's roots, re-interviewing witnesses and approaching the investigation with a fresh perspective.
Investigators are as king anyone who may have information to give them a call at 225 [telephone rings.]
Hebert: Detectives.
So, sir, you're calling about the homicide case you saw on the news? What's your name? You were working for that tree service? Okay.
Okay.
Did y'all ever do any work or cutting trees around the LSU area? Got a tip from the gentleman on the phone, said he got a guy by the name of Shanon thrasher.
Yes.
Was working for a tree-removal service back in 1997 around the LSU lake area.
This guy sounds convinced thrasher may have played a part in Eugenie's murder.
He's gonna come in.
I'm gonna set him up with the interview.
Rodie: When you want to get him? He's on his way now.
You called us this morning I sure did.
said you saw something on the news, right? I saw I t on the news.
They said the girl was last seen in June 1997.
I was in the tree-surgery business, and we was getting ready for the-- for the fall.
How many employees you had with you? We had me and Shanon and a couple of guys.
When you had your tree service, did you ever do any work around the LSU area? We did a job around Dalrymple.
Dalrymple drive? It comes out by LSU.
[dramatic music plays.]
Hebert: You gave me the name Shanon thrasher.
I did.
Why that name stand out to you? The name stands out to me because, a couple of years ago, thrasher had a little girl against her will.
But he was prostituting her.
And they arrested him for that.
And then a year and 10 months after the incident that-- what did he do? Well, he "allegedly" followed a 17-year-old girl up into vista trailer park.
When she went in the house, he proceeded to kick the door open.
He wasn't just going in there to play Patty-cake.
Right.
I don't know if he fits the profile or not.
That's what y'all are doing.
Right, but he was in that area, and he's a-- he was in the area.
He's a psychopath.
Just a sick, sick individual.
And evidently, he's got a thing for women.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Shanon Wayne thrasher.
[keyboard clacking.]
[mouse clicks.]
He's doing some D.
O.
C.
Time up north.
Yeah, he's got a lengthy history-- some prostitution, false imprisonment, which is the kidnapping.
Gomez: She should have been nothing.
Her scraps of clothing should just about have been disintegrated.
Why didn't that happen? Did he keep her somewhere or what? Indecent behavior with juveniles.
That is the exact same type of person-- and a drug charge-- that he'd get high, grab somebody, pull them in a vehicle, and do what he got to do.
Go grab him and bring him over here.
I don't know.
I hope he talks to us.
Me, too.
He's serving 11 years.
And he was described as a psychopath.
113-239, on the lot.
Guess we can let him sit upfront and I'll sit in the back-- we don't have a cage in here-- just in case he does go a little crazy.
St.
Angelo: You got thrasher here? Man: Yeah.
Right down the line.
Can you shackle him up and handcuff him in the front for us, please - Sure.
- And take him back to C.
I.
D.
? We want to talk to him about a murder.
But he's a smart guy.
He's an inmate counselor.
Bradford: Oh.
So, he's like a legal aid? He's a legal-aid guy.
Yeah.
We got to sweet-talk him.
[handcuffs clicking.]
My name is Aubrey St.
Angelo.
That's detective Bradford.
Oh, we're gonna go in here.
Go around the front.
Bradford: Well, he's serving 11 years right now.
St.
Angelo: And he was described as a psychopath.
[handcuffs clicking.]
[radio beeps.]
113-106 is off your lot.
110-15 around the C.
I.
D.
[radio chatter.]
Shanon thrasher was described to us as a psychopath.
So maybe this is our break.
Maybe this is a guy that just-- he was in the area, but he was off our radar.
He knows, you know, how to deal with the police.
Rodie: He's a pro.
[door closes.]
[keys clink.]
St.
Angelo: Shanon, the reason you've been brought down here is because we need your help, based on a murder that happened in 1997.
Are you willing to talk to us? How old are you now? How many years of your life have you spent behind bars? When you interrogate a known criminal, you've got to be able to read them-- body language, whether they're opened or closed to you, involuntary muscle movement, eye contact.
But look at me.
Don't look down now.
There's no body down there talking to you.
Okay.
You try to read into those kind of things, and sometimes they know that.
You really got to try to beat them at their own game.
Where you was working in '97? What if I told you, you was doing some work in '97 by the LSU lakes? You know where the LSU lakes are? We was told you was working there.
Your boss told us you was working there.
Y'all did a lot of drugs back then, huh? Yeah.
Well, that's what I'm talking about-- back then, 1997.
You ever been down bayou Manchac? Uhh Let me ask you a question blatantly-- would you hurt anybody? And have you ever hurt anybody without intentionally trying to hurt them? What did he do? Well, he "allegedly" followed a 17-year-old girl up into vista trailer park.
When she went in the house, he proceeded to kick the door open.
He wasn't just going in there to play Patty-cake.
I wonder what constitutes "intentionally" to him.
False imprisonment-- that ain't intentionally trying to hurt someone? Phew! St.
Angelo: You prefer men or women? Were you interested in women back in 97? You ever dated a lady by the name of Eugenie? You know her? This is the case we're working man.
You ever seen this lady? He's got his guard up.
You've got to chisel away piece by piece.
What makes you the saddest in life? Oh, man.
And from there, you find out where the truth is lying.
Put your daughter in that bayou.
Do that for me.
[camera shutter clicking.]
No.
Push his ass.
Don't-- don't give him a chance to catch a breath.
Keep going on him.
This is that lady in '97.
Somebody Bradford: Dumped her.
dumped her there, used that bayou as a killing field.
In that bayou, man, just left to rot.
Could you picture your daughter there after somebody took her, with cracks in the back of her head? Does nasty things to her and throws her in the water? So, you couldn't imagine that being your daughter in that body bag? Huh? [coughs.]
[coughing.]
Do you have a bag? Here, man.
Somebody took her life and threw her in the damn water, homey, and to rot-- put a tire over her, an old-ass tire and a log.
Thing is, shanon, she was having sex with somebody before she was killed 'cause we got DNA out of her underpants.
If your DNA matches her undergarments, it's gonna be worse than what it could be today.
Let me ask you a question.
Your DNA is on file.
Mm-hmm.
Would you give us a reference ample of your DNA? All right.
[door closes.]
He almost puked.
Why you didn't let him puke? 'Cause I didn't want to clean it up.
Well, Mr.
tough guy got a weak stomach.
Rodie: Yeah.
Seen that.
He was about to throw up, looked like.
What you think about his charges? Well, that's exactly right-- kidnapping, false imprisonment, prostitution, indecent behavior with juveniles.
That's a classic sign of a son of a bitch that would grab somebody, throw them in a vehicle, hit them in the head, and do what he got to do with them.
Yeah.
I'm gonna take his ass back to jail.
We got his DNA.
DNA gonna tell us.
Yeah, take him back to his home.
Tell him he looks good in his new clothes.
I hope he keeps them forever.
Well, if his DNA comes back in Eugenie's undergarments, you can tell him.
I'll be glad to.
Thank you, buddy.
Good job, Aub.
All right, man.
[telephone rings.]
Hebert: Detectives.
Speaking.
Eugenie's ex-husband has been fighting us tooth and nails on coming in and talking to us.
What kind of guy doesn't want to help find out who murdered his ex-wife? Mr.
[bleep.]
We want to interview you.
I'd like to know Eugenie, you know, on a personal level, and I was hoping maybe you could help me with that.
You could tell me some stuff about Eugenie.
Right.
The divorce-- was there a particular reason for the divorce? Um, when did you first become aware that Eugenie was either missing or dead? Do you remember? Yeah, detective Rodie Sanchez.
Okay.
Where did that take place? Do you remember? Yeah, dude.
Was it in person or by phone? When you first found that out, that would have been in 1997, I'm assuming, right, during the time when it first happened? I said when you found out that she was dead, would that have been the same year that she died, when Rodie was doing his investigation? Would it have been 1997? I know detective Sanchez spoke to him 18 years ago and told him about the death of his ex-wife.
I mean, this was all over the news.
Yeah.
You mean to tell me that no one in the world had called him and tell him, "your ex-wife's been murdered"? I find it hard to believe that he did not know anything about her death till recently.
I think that's an insult to Eugenie.
That's pitiful, and it's very sad to even think or say something like that.
You know, if he wants to cooperate with me and present-- here it is.
Here's your chance.
Not saying he's guilty.
Not saying he done anything.
He wants to play hard ball, let's break out the bats.
Bring his ass in.
[siren wailing.]
she died, when Rodie was doing his investigation? Would it have been 1997? Okay.
Well, she was taken, apparently, from her home in Baton Rouge.
And her body was located in our parish in St.
Gabriel, Louisiana.
She died a horrific death.
An autopsy report shows there was severe trauma to her head.
She was dropped off in a canal, and the body had been there for probably several weeks before she was located.
Our goal is to hopefully bring some closure to this case our goals to hopefully bring some closure to this case for her family and for you, as well, 'cause I'm sure, in the back of your heart somewhere, there is a feeling there for Eugenie.
Would you be willing to submit to a DNA swab? Okay, and, well, we could do it just as a process of elimination.
You know, if he wants to cooperate with me and present-- here it is.
Here's your chance-- "Mr.
Hebert, I will give you my DNA because I did not kill my wife, and here is my DNA.
Go for it.
" Well, and like you said, you know, he had no contact.
But this is gonna confirm it.
The DNA swab will confirm no contact.
I will be in.
[phone hangs up.]
- This is [bleep.]
- Yeah.
Every day you turned the TV on, she was plastered on that TV.
Her death was everywhere.
But he act like he never friggin' heard of that before in his life.
This [bleep.]
said he don't know anything about her death simply because he's trying to distance himself from this frickin' investigation.
He wants to play hard ball, let's break out the bats.
Bring his ass in.
Let's break out the bat.
We're gonna play ball.
Dr.
Morris: Let's go take a look.
All right.
Come on in here.
Okay.
If you look right here, this is the kidney.
As you recall, the one kidney you have remaining has a couple of spots on it.
- Gotcha.
And so when that's the case, we get concerned that it could possibly be a recurrence or a new kidney cancer.
Rodie: After you've had cancer, you're always hoping you never hear that word again, but you're always scared to walk in that office and have them say, "you know, hey, look, I got some bad news again.
" As you know, that part of your surveillance for the history of renal-cell kidney cancer is the C.
T.
S.
C.
So, we've got the report back.
You have what's called a complex cyst.
Right.
Well, the MRI showed that everything was negative, no concern for malignancy at all.
The area of concern-- the complex cyst-- is what we call a proteinaceous cyst.
So, that is great news.
That's what you wanted to hear from me today.
Most definitely.
Great, doc.
Thanks.
Thank God.
Now I'm cancer-free.
If you have any problems, you know where to find me.
- Thank you, my friend.
- All right, Rodie.
- Good seeing you.
- Thank you, doc.
- Good seeing you.
- Okay.
I still got my good days and bad days, but I still have to solve this case.
So let go find this son of a bitch.
[soft guitar music playing.]
[man humming.]
St.
Angelo: How you want to go out? How you want to be buried? I'm being buried over with my mother in grace memo rial.
I already got that taken care of.
You better start thinking about it.
You're getting kind of old.
I'm thinking about it.
Believe me, I've already planned some of it, not all of it.
What you want to be dressed in, a suit? Oh, dressed? You want to be dressed in your wife-beater? - How you want to go? - I don't know.
I ain't decided yet about that, buddy.
I think I might go in my, uh, cowboy boots, blue jeans-- I don't know yet.
When you start a murder case, you have to finish a murder case.
I done had cancer.
Good lord spared me from that.
And I feel that he kept me here for a reason-- trying to find out who murdered this young lady.
What about you, young man? How you going? You got any plans yet? Well, I think on my tomb stone, I want it to say, "heroes get remembered, but legends never die" "legends"?! You don't fit either one of them! Why don't you quit now and put something on there that says the truth, like, "here lies Aubrey--" you want to listen.
Listen.
One ornery [bleep.]
[laughs.]
Yeah.
Sad but true.
- Hey, Rodie - Yes, sir? Aubrey, Leslie, y'all come see for a second.
All right.
I want y'all to listen to something.
[sighs.]
New sends age.
Attorney: So, thank you, everyone.
Have a good day.
Bye-bye.
He done hi red another friggin' attorney.
Bradford: That's interesting.
He has hi red another attorney because he's not feeling comfortable about some things.
So, what are you not feeling comfortable about? It certainly gives me questions-- more questions than I already have.
Not saying he's guilty.
Not saying he done anything.
All we want to do is talk to him about his relationship when he was married to his wife.
All I want to know is what kind of person she was.
I want to know more than what I know now.
And there's no one can tell me that but you.
You're still pretty sharp for being an antique.
Antique.
You talking about, antique? Are you still dyeing your hair? I ain't never dyed my hair.
Stop lying.
Somebody with as much swagger as you, and you ain't dyed your hair? - Silver fox.
[chuckles.]
Silver fox? Whatever.
My wife loves my hair like this.
That's all that matters.
She takes her hand and then rubs it through my hair.
Don't ta dirty to me like you talk to them women.
Done hired another friggin' attorney.
He's a high-profile attorney.
Everybody has a right to his counsel, and I understand that-- but two? Bradford: Two attorneys? Exactly.
Why would you need two attorneys? Him hiring two now speaks for itself.
I want to hear what he has to say.
Bradford: Me too.
[ringing.]
[bleep.]
I'm doing great today, buddy.
How about you? I understand he, uh-- he retained another attorney? Okay, uh-- why would he feel the need to go hi re another attorney? When we talked last, he said he would be willing to give us his DNA, and that's basically what we was after-- his DNA.
Well, I can as sure you it's not a fishing expedition.
This is a full-fledged investigation of a homicide.
And all we're trying to do is rule him out.
Let me share a little secret with you.
We have probably interviewed 10 people at zero cost to them, period.
All they did was came in, sit down, we talked to them, they gave us their DNA swab, and they left, and we told them, "ad I Os, have a good day.
" And, again, it's just a pure investigative tool we're using to speak to everybody and move this case forward.
Okay.
Wish him nothing but the best.
How can he say he spent $15,000 already in attorney fees? Do you believe that? Bradford: Why? If we were investigating you, you, or you on a case and you were completely innocent, would you feel the need to bring an attorney with you? Even if it's my ex-wife and she got murdered-- which one? [chuckles.]
Any one that you want.
[chuckles.]
But wouldn't you say, "hey, Rodie, what you need from me, man? That was my wife.
" I'd beat the door down to get here.
I mean, geez.
I mean I just-- I don't know.
It just raises a red flag for me.
I'm with you, buddy.
If him and his lawyers don't want to cooperate, get a D.
A.
Subpoena and get his ass here.
Get his ass here.
It's been so long These long, hard days And they don't say Go D's changed my ways Rodie: The ex now don't want to give us DNA.
I guess he's following the ad vi Ce of his attorneys.
That's his right.
I think he got something deep down in his heart he's hiding.
What it is, I don't know.
Follow your heart.
Give me a call.
I'm waiting.
St.
Angelo: This guy can play all the games he wants.
He can Bob and weave.
He can duck and dive because I'm not the person you got to meet on judgment day.
So, we've got a tool we can use.
It's called a D.
A.
Subpoena.
You can go put it in his hand and force him to come back to Iberville parish.
He's playing game with us, and the game's up.
I would like to see you fully retired by the summertime.
Rodie: The ex-husband, I want to know everything about him.
I didn't particularly like him.
Check this out-- marriage certificate, state of Louisiana.
- It ain't Eugenie's.
- What? It appears he got his second wife pregnant while he was still married to Eugenie.
Ho, ho, ho, here he come.
He's backing out.
- Shut the [bleep.]
up.
Really? - He's backing out.
Oh, this is beautiful.
Morgan: We got him, Aubrey.
[police radio chatter.]
St.
Angelo: In 19 years of law enforcement, I've never seen 3 lawyers walk into that interview room.
These are your rights.
It's the Miranda-- "do you wish to make a statement or talk to us now?"