Killing Fields (2016) s01e06 Episode Script
Judgement Day
1 Eugenie Boisfontaine-- she was last seen alive in 1997.
Investigators have returned to the case's roots, re-interviewing witnesses and approaching the investigation with a fresh perspective.
Rodie: Since we've been working this case, we got a hell of a lot of good suspects.
Brocato: We have a DNA.
We were able to compare it to Derrick Todd Lee.
She said that she was dating a guy called Robert.
We're looking for a guy by the name of Mr.
Robert Dean.
His ashes are buried in our backyard.
Rodie: Damn, this case just got more mysterious than I've ever thought it would be.
But you know what? St.
Angelo: We are reopening your ex-wife's case.
Any way possible yes.
He done have another friggin' attorney.
Hebert: If he wants to cooperate, the DNA swab will confirm "I did not kill my wife.
" The ex now don't wan to give us DNA.
He wants to play hardball, let's break out the bats.
Follow your heart.
Give me a call.
I'm waiting.
[Insects chirping.]
Rodie: This is where it all started-- 18 years ago, right here.
Right here where she was left.
I guess you can say I have trouble letting go.
Always have.
[tony Lee Stafford Jr.
and Michael Dennis Smith's "blackbird" plays.]
Dressed in robes of white But these aren't wedding bells That strike the hour of our love Let me tell you, I been in law enforcement 30-something years.
I made a hell of a lot of mistakes in my lifetime.
I put my job before my family.
I've been married six times.
That's something I'm not proud of at all.
Some of my wives probably wouldn't want to speak to me.
But if some law-enforcement agency would call me and say, "we found your ex-wife murdered" I'd be glad to come talk to you.
Eugenie's ex-husband-- he hasn't done that.
Bless us, oh, lord, and these thy gifts I just hope that before it's too late, he realize Reporter: Eugenie Boisfontaine what he should do and do the right thing.
All: Amen.
Talk to me.
He's gonna have to come and see us either way.
One way or another.
The ex-husband isn't cooperating.
Hebert: When we talked last, he said he would be willing to give us his DNA.
If him and his lawyers don't want to cooperate, get a D.
A.
Subpoena and get his ass here.
Get his ass here.
This dude, he's dodging us, and he's stonewalling us.
He's giving us a hard time about the whole thing.
Bradford: The whole process, he hasn't been cooperative, and, I mean, he was married to you, you'd think that he would want to come in and help in any way possible.
Well, that's what I'm thinking.
St.
Angelo: For an investigator to get a D.
A.
Subpoena, they need to be able to show cause that that person is a potential witness.
Everything that we gave you, the facts that he was married to her, her demeanor, all that you felt was enough to just show cause? The most important part here is what she had on her body, which was the two sources of DNA.
And the fact that they had a marital relationship, that's the good cause.
Yes, ma'am.
To me, just simply because he doesn't want to come talk to y'all willingly, I want to talk to him even more.
This is the subpoena.
Cool.
All right, looks good.
Thanks for doing this for us, Libby.
St.
Angelo: We got a D.
A.
Subpoena.
If he doesn't appear, he can be arrested.
I've really had enough of this dude blowing us off.
Me, too.
I think we've been too nice.
Well, if your patience is done, you know mine's well out the door.
[Laughs.]
We're finding him today.
It's nonnegotiable.
If he's not at home, he's gonna be at work.
We're not leaving this city without him being served.
Amen, sister.
The ex lives out in new Orleans' area.
Now all we have to do is serve him, and he's got to come appear before us.
He's playing games with us, and the game's up.
Can't wait to Se the look on his face.
"Oh, he's not here.
" That's what we're gonna get.
That's okay.
We'll wait.
[Cellphone rings.]
Hello.
Hey, buddy.
Good morning.
How you feeling? Well, what's wrong? This case-- it's been a real test of my priorities in life.
I haven't been able to spend as much time with my son as I usually would.
It's gonna be over quickly.
And then we get to hang out tonight.
I'm committed as a father.
I'm also committed as a detective.
Who's my best friend? I don't hear you.
When he comes in, I want to sit across from him.
I want to look at him.
I want to observe his heartbeat, his breathing.
I want to see the dryness well up around his mouth.
It'll be an interesting interview, I'll tell you that.
I'm gonna ask him if he wants forgiveness.
[Laughs.]
"You want forgiveness? Do you want--" "we'll give it to you.
We can handle that.
" Absolutely.
I like how you think.
That's why we get along so good.
Serving a subpoena needs to be personal service.
You have to put it in that person's hands.
You can't just slip a subpoena under the door and call it served.
Left? Yeah, turn left.
Two things happen today, les-- he blows us off again, or he cooperates and comes in, stands up like a man, and tries to help his ex-wife out.
It should be on the right.
[Bleep.]
Live here? What does he drive? Oh, a hummer? Okay.
All right, thank you, ma'am.
Sheriff's office.
No vehicles.
No? Detectives with the sheriff's office.
Do you have a [Bleep.]
in this building? Y'all have a good day.
Let's go to his job.
Hello.
We're looking for a [Bleep.]
St.
Angelo: What's this address? It's another address, possibly for his dad.
[Knocking on door.]
Sheriff's office! All the lights off.
It's pretty dark.
[Cellphone rings.]
Hello.
Been bustin' our ass down here, and we knockin' on doors.
Yeah.
Ready? Yeah, we're with Iberville parish sheriff's office.
We need to drop off some paperwork.
St.
Angelo: We'll get you to sign this.
We're gonna leave you with the copy.
Thank you.
Now that we served the ex via his lawyers, he's got eight days to appear before us, and we'll be waiting on him.
[Crickets chirping.]
[Bis singing.]
Let me ask you a question.
Rodie: What? How you sucked in all them wives? How did I suck 'em in? Was it with your eyes, or you had some-- you was a smooth talker? [Laughs.]
I don't know, buddy.
I just-- you was a dog.
I was a hound.
You was a dog.
Hound.
That's why.
You was a dog.
Oh, I done some wild [Bleep.]
in my lifetime, buddy.
Believe me, now I regret it.
You needed me in your life 30 years ago.
Ah, you probably right.
I needed probably a couple of you.
[Both laugh.]
Think our guy gonna show? I don't know, bro.
We'll see when we get there, I guess.
[Ringing.]
Bradford: I was actually calling to see what I would need to do to go about getting financial records in regards to the insurance policy that he would've gotten paid out.
Rodie: Today's supposed to be the day that Eugenie's ex-husband come in and give us his DNA.
Everybody else did.
Everybody else walked in and cooperated and gave it to us.
You used to be married to her.
You are her ex-husband.
At one time, you had to love this woman.
Nobody's accusing him of anything-- nothing.
Just come on in and talk to us about it.
That's all we asking him to do.
We just got a phone call from the clerk of court saying that the attorneys have filed a motion to quash the subpoena.
He's not coming.
Why he don't want to cooperate like that? I mean, at one time, he had to love her.
That was his wife.
Everybody else we talked to talked to us, told us what they didn't know, what they did know-- voluntarily.
The ex is on our radar because he put himself on our radar.
He avoided it.
He's not coming.
Rodie: Why is he making it so hard? Nobody's accusing him of murdering Eugenie.
No one's accused him of anything.
18 years ago, I made Eugenie's mother a promise Ho, ho, ho.
Here he come.
He's backing out.
Shut the [Bleep.]
up.
Really? I'd find who kill her daughter.
We got him, Aubrey.
We may fulfill this promise.
I'm looking for maybe any public records that can be obtained on an ex-husband of our murder victim.
Marriage certificate, state of Louisiana, and it ain't Eugenie's.
Rodie: What? In 19 years of law enforcement, I've never seen 3 lawyers walk into that interview room.
These are your rights related to Miranda.
Do you wish to make a statement or talk to us now? Welcome to the big leagues.
[Insects chirping.]
We just got a phone call from the clerk of court saying that Eugenie's ex-husband definitely not coming.
His attorneys have filed a motion to quash the subpoena.
Man, that puzzles me.
Hebert: I don't know what the deal is with it.
Rodie: Why is he making it so hard to come in and just talk to us about him and Eugenie? Hebert: Instead of sitting on our hands, I think we need to be a little more proactive, go get his DNA off of something that he discarded in public.
St.
Angelo: Give me the green light.
You got the green light.
Rodie: If you want to build a case, the most important thing in investigating a crime today-- DNA.
I can line up some rental cars.
They'll follow around and see what he does.
We'll leapfrog in and out and tag him in, tag him out.
We'll be on side of him, and he won't even know it.
If he leaves something in a public place, we'll swab it up, grab it.
St.
Angelo: People are always leaving DNA behind.
The half-eaten hamburger, the coffee cup, the gas pump.
You touch anything, it's called contact DNA.
You're leaving your skin cells behind.
Or if he drops something, spits out a piece of gum, that'd be great.
The way the law looks at it, in a murder investigation, that DNA becomes ours.
Do a little surveillance on him? Like we used to do in narcotics.
So you getting a flashback right now, yeah? Oh, I'm fired up.
Rodie: We are gonna get this DNA to see if we can rule him in or rule him out.
But we gonna get it our way now-- not his, ours.
So, Rodie, you gonna ride down with Aubrey in the morning? No way.
I ain't riding with him.
You got to take your shoes off, got to sanitize your hands.
You can't eat nothing.
Bradford: [Laughs.]
It'll be me or Lori.
We'll get you there, Rodie.
You don't have to worry about Aubrey.
Hey, y'all, just try to keep up.
Yeah.
Well, I suffer alone Through ill and woe Done so many wrong I don't even know St.
Angelo: The ex didn't come to us.
We can follow him around, and I think we can get his DNA from him.
Rodie: Aubrey, this is your comfort zone.
You be the quarterback.
10-4.
Aubrey worked at drug and addiction on the interstate.
He seized a hell of a lot of drugs being undercover.
I would put Aubrey against anyone out there.
Morgan: Here's the traffic coming in.
Yeah.
Now I know why I don't like living in a city, Lori.
I want to get to where I'm going either by boat [Both laugh.]
or-- four-Wheeler? Or four-Wheeler.
Where I don't see my neighbor within two Miles.
Right? I'll be a good neighbor, [laughing.]
But I'll be better if I don't see your ass.
Correct.
St.
Angelo: We pulling into the neighborhood.
His house is gonna be on the right.
Rodie, if you can go down the street, get eyes on the front of his house.
Leslie, stay about a block up.
Bradford: Yeah, I gotcha.
We're looking for a charcoal-colored hummer.
I can see that there's a light or a lamp or something on.
I'm gonna loop around the back.
I may be able to see something through this jacked-up fence.
Morgan: All right.
Let us know.
I think he's still here since I seen the hummer there.
Yeah.
Hey, after we get the ex's DNA, who's up for some bourbon street action? [Laughs.]
Who you think's getting more beads-- Leslie or Lori? I think whoever got the most shake in their Booty.
What you know about Booty? You better keep your mind off of booties.
That's what you got you in the shape you in now.
[Laughing.]
I agree with that, buddy.
All right.
Roger.
Ho, ho, ho.
Here he come.
He's backing out.
Shut the [Bleep.]
up.
Really? He's backing out.
Oh, this is beautiful.
Aubrey, take him.
All right.
I'm on him.
Go.
[Bleep.]
[Cellphone rings.]
Hey.
I'm behind him.
We coming back out towards the main thoroughfare.
Y'all go to 1 on your radio.
Go to 1 on your radio.
He took a right.
Okay, I'm going to 1.
Rodie: You know, the trickiest part in following someone is to not give yourself up.
People smell a rat, and if they get a whiff of you being around them, they gonna evade you and you'll never get it.
Leslie, are you right behind him? Bradford: No, I'm a couple of cars behind.
Rodie: So you have to be precise at the right moment and know when to do it and how to do it.
Bradford: He's turning at the red light.
All right.
I'm passing up, Ro.
I'm passing up.
You take him, Rodie.
We got him, Aubrey.
All right.
I had to get off.
I was right behind him at the light.
We're, like, in the garden district.
He's taking a left.
We're gonna have to pass him, Aubrey.
So you keep watching him.
St.
Angelo: All right.
I got it.
[Bleep.]
I'm trying not to get made in the middle of a [Bleep.]
parking lot.
Is he parked? Yeah, he's parked.
I hope he spits out a piece of gum.
Lori.
Hey, we're turning in the shopping center.
Ain't that it right over there? See it? He's sitting there.
I see it.
I see him.
He's still on the-- yeah, that's him.
Nacho mama's.
We in front of nacho mama's over here.
[Laughs.]
We got him.
We got him.
We have a great view.
It's easy to follow somebody in a big city like this.
Try doing it in the country.
I think he smells something 'cause why would he park? I know.
Why is he sitting there? I think Aubrey-- he might've caught Aubrey.
I wonder if he smells a rat with you sitting there or maybe he saw you.
If he did, I mean, it was a miracle.
Bu I mean, let's just see what he's doing.
I just seen him move.
All right, he's getting out.
He's getting out, wearing a plaid shirt, blue jeans-- white-and-black plaid shirt with blue jeans.
And it looks like he's going into the computer store.
Okay, I'll go walk in.
Lori just walked in.
She's in the building.
Wonder what he's making copies of.
Yeah, don't do that.
Don't burn it.
Don't risk it.
Aubrey, how 'bout we do this? We try to swab the door handle right now and get this done.
Leslie's right there close by him.
Let's take this shot.
10-4.
Rodie: You know, I'm a long way from an expert in technology, and I've said that before.
But if it help me find out who Eugenie's murderer is, this old dog's ready to go to school and learn some new tricks.
Hey, we doing it right now.
What he looks like right now? Morgan: He's not paying attention to the door.
I mean, you could do it quickly.
Go, Leslie.
Go, Leslie.
Ro.
Rodie: Yeah? We still good, babe.
We still good.
Cool, cool, cool, cool, cool.
[Bleep.]
Not good, not good.
Walking out the door.
Get in your car and back out.
Morgan: He's not paying attention to the doors.
I mean, you could do it quickly.
Go, Leslie.
Go, Leslie.
Cool, cool, cool.
He's leaving.
I think he's leaving.
[Bleep.]
Not good, not good.
Leslie, what you doing? Walking out the door.
Get in your car and back out.
You should see him walking out of the store.
[Sighs.]
Leslie, what you doing? Sweet! Freakin' right! Rodie: Lori's out.
Lori's out.
Mission accomplished.
Leslie, you looked stunning over there.
Bradford: Where are you? [Laughs.]
That's what I like.
You don't know where I'm at! [Laughter.]
That's good surveillance.
That's the way to do it, man.
I'm almost sure we got it now.
Morgan: You know what I love is he just got into the vehicle this morning, so that contact DNA has not had any time to degrade.
We caught it fresh right when he grabbed the handle.
Are we ready to get back? Got it.
We are going to go ahead and turn in all of our reference samples.
We might have the killer's DNA in our stuff.
We finally have Eugenie's ex's DNA.
And his will go with this big pile of them.
St.
Angelo: That'd be great.
Now we're gonna send all our samples of DNA to the crime lab, and we have to just wait for them results.
They said they would take it all in at one time and run those and compare those to the male profile.
Hopefully, we'll find out what we need to know.
While waiting for DNA results, we're gonna continue investigating the ex-husband.
We wanted to gather even more evidence to make sure that the subpena doesn't get quashed.
That way, he damn sure has to appear before us.
How bad was the divorce? Woman: She looked sad.
She looked like a sad person.
She was walking with the weight of the world.
She was so excited about getting married.
She just-- she loved him.
The first time I met [Bleep.]
I didn't particularly like him.
Man: I never saw him angry or anything like that.
There was a different Eugenie before her marriage to after her marriage.
I never got the sense that he was as in love with her as she was with him.
Fox: Eugenie had just gotten back from working out, and [Bleep.]
was moving out on her.
Rodie: What you thought of Eugenie's ex? [Ringing.]
St.
Angelo.
.
I'm looking for maybe any public records that can be obtained on an ex-husband of our murder victim, Eugenie Boisfontaine.
Anything that can tell me anything about him or her? [Printer whirring.]
Check this out.
Marriage certificate, state of Louisiana, and it ain't Eugenie's.
It's a marriage license for the ex-husband to marry another lady.
One month after his divorce was final with Eugenie, he's marrying another woman.
"Wham, bam, thank you, ma'am.
" Rodie: He filed for a marriage license less than a month after he was divorced from Eugenie.
This guy is a smooth operator.
There you go.
Rodie: He falls in love fast, very fast.
He's an interesting guy.
To marry within a month of just getting divorced, you've been seeing somebody for a minute.
Absolutely.
St.
Angelo: Rodie's been married six times, so, you know, I'm not here to judge nobody, and hopefully the DNA will tell the tale.
Rude, crude, and totally unacceptable.
Bradford: Can't wait another minute.
My heart is pumping.
The anticipation is-- [Chuckles.]
I know.
Today, the DNA results come back from the crime lab.
We've been waiting for this moment since we reopened Eugenie's case.
St.
Angelo: This investigation, we interviewed a lot of persons of interest, and after each interview, we were able to obtain their DNA.
There's a chance those results could show that somebody's DNA matches the DNA that was found in Eugenie's undergarments.
We could learn that the killer is amongst us.
Rodie: If we don't get a hit on any of these people, the sad part is we're back to square one.
Rodie: Didn't I tell you that wasn't no good you? That's the champion of all drinks.
I drink this like water.
There ain't no energy in there.
Bet when you hold your hand out, you're like this.
Look.
Hmm? Rodie: You know what's making you do that? That energy drink you're drinking.
Hey, guys, we got to call the lab.
[Ringing.]
Brocato: Hello.
Hebert: Hi, Joanie.
We all gathered up here.
No pressure.
[Laughs.]
The DNA in Eugenie's undergarments is so degraded that it's not enough for us to run through CODIS and get a nationwide hit.
But it is enough DNA for us to see somebody can be included or excluded.
Morgan: Okay.
St.
Angelo: Today is judgment day.
Morgan: It's now or never.
Hebert: Why would one person feel the need to bring three attorneys with him? St.
Angelo: You have the right to remain silent.
Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.
Do you wish to make a statement or talk to us now? Morgan: That's the ex-husband.
The only person that cannot be excluded is her ex-husband.
But what you're saying, Joanie, even though it's degraded as it is, there is some similarities with the ex's and what we have, right? Thank you, Joanie.
And the one that's given us the most trouble.
And who is that one person? Morgan: The ex-husband.
I'd like for him to tell me why his similarities are there.
I'd really like for DNA to advance again and we rerun that DNA and it confirm or deny.
Hebert: It may be probable cause enough for a judge to issue a court order that say, "you gonna give it up.
" Rodie: Bottom line is, he can't be ruled out as a suspect.
I want this guy in my interview room, especially right now.
Hebert: This plot is thickening by the minute.
I got 8: 32 A.
M.
Court's at 9: 00.
So in a few minutes, they'll let you sit.
St.
Angelo: Today isn't judgment day.
There'll be a hearing in front of a judge, and hopefully the judge rules that we shall have enough cause to speak with the ex-husband.
Y'all ready to head upstairs and go do this thing? Morgan: It's now or never.
Shut your phone off.
Yes.
When I first started looking into the ex and trying to find out if he'd talk to us and he kept dodging our calls and wanting an attorney St.
Angelo: What is the possibility I could speak with Mr.
[Bleep.]
In your presence? Rodie: Then he tells us, "I didn't know my wife was dead till recently.
" Then he's saying that he's coming in, give us his DNA.
Then he calls-- no, he's not.
We submitted the DNA samples to the lab, and the only person that cannot be excluded is her ex-husband.
[Beeping.]
This is a homicide, a murder case.
Not saying he's guilty.
Not saying he done anything.
No one's ever said he was implicated in this murder-- no one.
And I know because I started it.
No one has ever said anything about "Eugenie's ex-husband is a murderer.
" "Eugenie's ex-husband knows about who killed her.
" No one.
I want to know about his ex-wife.
I want to know about Eugenie Boisfontaine.
That's all.
He has to abide by that subpoena.
Hebert: I'm thrilled to death that the judge did rule in our favor.
Rodie: He's got to come.
He has to show.
This is the best-case scenario.
We got exactly what we wanted.
That's what we wanted.
Yeah.
And he had to pay three lawyers to come in from new Orleans to come do this.
He had a whole frickin' firm.
The ex-husband loses his motion to quash the D.
A.
Subpoena, and he's ordered to appear before us in our interrogation room.
Hebert: How you doing? Ron Hebert.
Y'all gonna come at 11: 00? Yes, sir.
All right, just come in the sheriff's office next to me, and they'll let me know you're here.
And then we'll bring you to the back, okay? All right.
Thank you, guys.
18 years ago, I made Ms.
Joan, Eugenie's mother, a promise-- I'd find who killed her daughter.
We may fulfill this promise.
Hopefully, he will come in and give us some information about her.
I hope.
Hebert: Hey, Rodie.
Rodie: Sir.
Telling you When you're first, just kind of Mellow.
Yeah.
You know, try to Kind of ease in.
Yeah, try to give him a little conf-- you know, a little tone.
Rodie: Okay.
That dude look like he wants to be out that room like yesterday.
All right.
Just for the record, we're gonna log this down as 10: 59 on December 9, 2015.
See the guy in the back corner? He was a prosecutor for the state of Louisiana in federal court.
Mm.
These are your rights related to Miranda.
You have the right to remain silent.
Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.
You have the right to talk to a lawyer, have a lawyer present with you while you're being questioned.
If you cannot afford to hire a lawyer, one will be appointed to represent you free of charge before any question.
You understand your rights I explained to you? Put your initials on "yes," please.
[Clears throat.]
Having been read these rights, do you wish to make a statement or talk to us now? [Police radio chatter.]
Rodie: We found DNA from two to three males in Eugenie's underwear.
Would you give me a reference sample of DNA? Absolutely.
In the last month, we interviewed a lot of people and asked them for their DNA.
Unfortunately, that DNA that was found in Eugenie's panties was mixed and damaged too much to find an I.
D.
in CODIS, but it's still good enough to make a manual comparison.
A manual comparison is a way to line up two DNA samples to include or exclude a suspect.
Out of all these suspects, the only person that cannot be excluded is her ex-husband.
Hell, no.
Hell, no.
Not by a long shot.
Rodie: Out of all the suspects we have, the only person whose DNA can't be excluded from Eugenie's panties is the ex-husband.
Today, the judge ruled that he has to come show up.
Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.
He didn't come in, the judge can hold him in contempt of court.
You understand your rights I explained to you? Put your initials on "yes," please.
[Clears throat.]
I don't read, and I ain't no freakin' poet for sure, but, man, I love interrogatin'.
Makes me feel young all over again.
Having been read these rights, do you wish to make a statement or talk to us now? Put your initials on "no," please, sir.
We advise him his rights.
He says, "I'm taking the fifth.
I don't have anything to say to y'all.
" St.
Angelo: Eugenie's ex is exercising his right to remain silent.
It's no crime in doing that.
But all that does is provokes us to dig harder.
Can you believe, after all this, he's gonna now plead the fifth? Morgan: It's frustrating.
I mean, I think y'all have concern for your own reasons of your client, and with the reopening of the Eugenie case, it's protocol that we follow up on every person.
The point of talking to Mr.
[Bleep.]
Is not to point any fingers at him.
It is to try to learn something about Eugenie.
And who else to know somebody but a person who joined hands with them in holy matrimony? And that's all we wanted.
Would there be any victimology that you guys would let us obtain? No.
We have contacted the families, and they've all cooperated.
Only thing we wanted to do was see if we could get some kind of knowledge about Eugenie during the marriage and what we could shed light on.
So everybody else has Cooper-- the marriage? Sir? It's not violating any trust of marriage that I could see.
Morgan: What kind of statement is he trying to make right here? Doesn't look like somebody who's willing to cooperate.
St.
Angelo: I was very excited that we finally got our moment, but in the end, he plead the fifth.
We were thirsty, and they wasn't feeding.
Mm-hmm.
Very nice to meet y'all.
I think you did have some concern about your DNA.
Thank you.
But I have your DNA, just to let you know.
Okay.
Great.
Thank you.
All right.
Thank you.
Have a nice day.
St.
Angelo: It sucks.
It's just I mean, it's crazy.
It's crazy.
What kind of guy doesn't want to help find out who murdered his ex-wife? Rodie: You know, this investigation really is far from over.
We're gonna continue to investigate him to see whether he is or he is not involved in this murder.
Hebert: From the time he walked in that door to the time he left out that door was nothing but indications of nervousness.
He wouldn't even look at us.
If his demeanor would've been different.
Hebert: Of all the people we have interviewed, that guy right there was the most uncomfortable person I seen throughout this investigation.
And I agree.
St.
Angelo: Dude walked in with three lawyers.
Three attorneys.
We're from two to three now.
I had to go get extra chairs.
This is bull [Bleep.]
18 years ago, I made Eugenie's mother a promise I'd find who killed her daughter.
But maybe it's something I shouldn't have done.
What if I can't fulfill this promise? Then maybe I should just say, "to hell with it all, I'm retiring, and the rest of my life is devoted strictly to my children.
" [Breathing heavily.]
Are there cold cases that have never been solved out there? Of course there are.
Are there mediocre detectives out there with cold cases that should've been solved because of their work performance? Absolutely.
And that's upsetting.
But I'm not doing anything half-ass when it comes to this line of work.
Rodie: To do this job, can't get frustrated.
You got to back out, come back in with another strategy.
Engolio: My boss, the D.
A.
, wants us to bring a case that we can win at trial.
And to get to trial, we got to get to beyond a reasonable doubt.
I want to check the records to see if this guy has ever received any insurance payments.
Rodie: I want to know if she had a will, did she have a life-insurance policy, who had access to her accounts.
You know, that all could point to a motive.
And that's it.
Probable cause is still a big burden that we have to carry.
We're on the right track.
We're on the right track.
We're not going away.
We're gonna be here, and we're gonna dig, dig, dig.
St.
Angelo: I'll stop this case when the right person or persons that committed this murder is brought to justice.
Until then, let it be known that we're coming.
As of today, nobody's been arrested in connection with Eugenie's murder, but we're not giving up.
We're still pushing forward.
I'm not gonna give up that easy.
My team and the D.
A.
's office now are working together on this case.
We have a lot of leads in the works.
In a few months, you're gonna hear all about it.
Investigators have returned to the case's roots, re-interviewing witnesses and approaching the investigation with a fresh perspective.
Rodie: Since we've been working this case, we got a hell of a lot of good suspects.
Brocato: We have a DNA.
We were able to compare it to Derrick Todd Lee.
She said that she was dating a guy called Robert.
We're looking for a guy by the name of Mr.
Robert Dean.
His ashes are buried in our backyard.
Rodie: Damn, this case just got more mysterious than I've ever thought it would be.
But you know what? St.
Angelo: We are reopening your ex-wife's case.
Any way possible yes.
He done have another friggin' attorney.
Hebert: If he wants to cooperate, the DNA swab will confirm "I did not kill my wife.
" The ex now don't wan to give us DNA.
He wants to play hardball, let's break out the bats.
Follow your heart.
Give me a call.
I'm waiting.
[Insects chirping.]
Rodie: This is where it all started-- 18 years ago, right here.
Right here where she was left.
I guess you can say I have trouble letting go.
Always have.
[tony Lee Stafford Jr.
and Michael Dennis Smith's "blackbird" plays.]
Dressed in robes of white But these aren't wedding bells That strike the hour of our love Let me tell you, I been in law enforcement 30-something years.
I made a hell of a lot of mistakes in my lifetime.
I put my job before my family.
I've been married six times.
That's something I'm not proud of at all.
Some of my wives probably wouldn't want to speak to me.
But if some law-enforcement agency would call me and say, "we found your ex-wife murdered" I'd be glad to come talk to you.
Eugenie's ex-husband-- he hasn't done that.
Bless us, oh, lord, and these thy gifts I just hope that before it's too late, he realize Reporter: Eugenie Boisfontaine what he should do and do the right thing.
All: Amen.
Talk to me.
He's gonna have to come and see us either way.
One way or another.
The ex-husband isn't cooperating.
Hebert: When we talked last, he said he would be willing to give us his DNA.
If him and his lawyers don't want to cooperate, get a D.
A.
Subpoena and get his ass here.
Get his ass here.
This dude, he's dodging us, and he's stonewalling us.
He's giving us a hard time about the whole thing.
Bradford: The whole process, he hasn't been cooperative, and, I mean, he was married to you, you'd think that he would want to come in and help in any way possible.
Well, that's what I'm thinking.
St.
Angelo: For an investigator to get a D.
A.
Subpoena, they need to be able to show cause that that person is a potential witness.
Everything that we gave you, the facts that he was married to her, her demeanor, all that you felt was enough to just show cause? The most important part here is what she had on her body, which was the two sources of DNA.
And the fact that they had a marital relationship, that's the good cause.
Yes, ma'am.
To me, just simply because he doesn't want to come talk to y'all willingly, I want to talk to him even more.
This is the subpoena.
Cool.
All right, looks good.
Thanks for doing this for us, Libby.
St.
Angelo: We got a D.
A.
Subpoena.
If he doesn't appear, he can be arrested.
I've really had enough of this dude blowing us off.
Me, too.
I think we've been too nice.
Well, if your patience is done, you know mine's well out the door.
[Laughs.]
We're finding him today.
It's nonnegotiable.
If he's not at home, he's gonna be at work.
We're not leaving this city without him being served.
Amen, sister.
The ex lives out in new Orleans' area.
Now all we have to do is serve him, and he's got to come appear before us.
He's playing games with us, and the game's up.
Can't wait to Se the look on his face.
"Oh, he's not here.
" That's what we're gonna get.
That's okay.
We'll wait.
[Cellphone rings.]
Hello.
Hey, buddy.
Good morning.
How you feeling? Well, what's wrong? This case-- it's been a real test of my priorities in life.
I haven't been able to spend as much time with my son as I usually would.
It's gonna be over quickly.
And then we get to hang out tonight.
I'm committed as a father.
I'm also committed as a detective.
Who's my best friend? I don't hear you.
When he comes in, I want to sit across from him.
I want to look at him.
I want to observe his heartbeat, his breathing.
I want to see the dryness well up around his mouth.
It'll be an interesting interview, I'll tell you that.
I'm gonna ask him if he wants forgiveness.
[Laughs.]
"You want forgiveness? Do you want--" "we'll give it to you.
We can handle that.
" Absolutely.
I like how you think.
That's why we get along so good.
Serving a subpoena needs to be personal service.
You have to put it in that person's hands.
You can't just slip a subpoena under the door and call it served.
Left? Yeah, turn left.
Two things happen today, les-- he blows us off again, or he cooperates and comes in, stands up like a man, and tries to help his ex-wife out.
It should be on the right.
[Bleep.]
Live here? What does he drive? Oh, a hummer? Okay.
All right, thank you, ma'am.
Sheriff's office.
No vehicles.
No? Detectives with the sheriff's office.
Do you have a [Bleep.]
in this building? Y'all have a good day.
Let's go to his job.
Hello.
We're looking for a [Bleep.]
St.
Angelo: What's this address? It's another address, possibly for his dad.
[Knocking on door.]
Sheriff's office! All the lights off.
It's pretty dark.
[Cellphone rings.]
Hello.
Been bustin' our ass down here, and we knockin' on doors.
Yeah.
Ready? Yeah, we're with Iberville parish sheriff's office.
We need to drop off some paperwork.
St.
Angelo: We'll get you to sign this.
We're gonna leave you with the copy.
Thank you.
Now that we served the ex via his lawyers, he's got eight days to appear before us, and we'll be waiting on him.
[Crickets chirping.]
[Bis singing.]
Let me ask you a question.
Rodie: What? How you sucked in all them wives? How did I suck 'em in? Was it with your eyes, or you had some-- you was a smooth talker? [Laughs.]
I don't know, buddy.
I just-- you was a dog.
I was a hound.
You was a dog.
Hound.
That's why.
You was a dog.
Oh, I done some wild [Bleep.]
in my lifetime, buddy.
Believe me, now I regret it.
You needed me in your life 30 years ago.
Ah, you probably right.
I needed probably a couple of you.
[Both laugh.]
Think our guy gonna show? I don't know, bro.
We'll see when we get there, I guess.
[Ringing.]
Bradford: I was actually calling to see what I would need to do to go about getting financial records in regards to the insurance policy that he would've gotten paid out.
Rodie: Today's supposed to be the day that Eugenie's ex-husband come in and give us his DNA.
Everybody else did.
Everybody else walked in and cooperated and gave it to us.
You used to be married to her.
You are her ex-husband.
At one time, you had to love this woman.
Nobody's accusing him of anything-- nothing.
Just come on in and talk to us about it.
That's all we asking him to do.
We just got a phone call from the clerk of court saying that the attorneys have filed a motion to quash the subpoena.
He's not coming.
Why he don't want to cooperate like that? I mean, at one time, he had to love her.
That was his wife.
Everybody else we talked to talked to us, told us what they didn't know, what they did know-- voluntarily.
The ex is on our radar because he put himself on our radar.
He avoided it.
He's not coming.
Rodie: Why is he making it so hard? Nobody's accusing him of murdering Eugenie.
No one's accused him of anything.
18 years ago, I made Eugenie's mother a promise Ho, ho, ho.
Here he come.
He's backing out.
Shut the [Bleep.]
up.
Really? I'd find who kill her daughter.
We got him, Aubrey.
We may fulfill this promise.
I'm looking for maybe any public records that can be obtained on an ex-husband of our murder victim.
Marriage certificate, state of Louisiana, and it ain't Eugenie's.
Rodie: What? In 19 years of law enforcement, I've never seen 3 lawyers walk into that interview room.
These are your rights related to Miranda.
Do you wish to make a statement or talk to us now? Welcome to the big leagues.
[Insects chirping.]
We just got a phone call from the clerk of court saying that Eugenie's ex-husband definitely not coming.
His attorneys have filed a motion to quash the subpoena.
Man, that puzzles me.
Hebert: I don't know what the deal is with it.
Rodie: Why is he making it so hard to come in and just talk to us about him and Eugenie? Hebert: Instead of sitting on our hands, I think we need to be a little more proactive, go get his DNA off of something that he discarded in public.
St.
Angelo: Give me the green light.
You got the green light.
Rodie: If you want to build a case, the most important thing in investigating a crime today-- DNA.
I can line up some rental cars.
They'll follow around and see what he does.
We'll leapfrog in and out and tag him in, tag him out.
We'll be on side of him, and he won't even know it.
If he leaves something in a public place, we'll swab it up, grab it.
St.
Angelo: People are always leaving DNA behind.
The half-eaten hamburger, the coffee cup, the gas pump.
You touch anything, it's called contact DNA.
You're leaving your skin cells behind.
Or if he drops something, spits out a piece of gum, that'd be great.
The way the law looks at it, in a murder investigation, that DNA becomes ours.
Do a little surveillance on him? Like we used to do in narcotics.
So you getting a flashback right now, yeah? Oh, I'm fired up.
Rodie: We are gonna get this DNA to see if we can rule him in or rule him out.
But we gonna get it our way now-- not his, ours.
So, Rodie, you gonna ride down with Aubrey in the morning? No way.
I ain't riding with him.
You got to take your shoes off, got to sanitize your hands.
You can't eat nothing.
Bradford: [Laughs.]
It'll be me or Lori.
We'll get you there, Rodie.
You don't have to worry about Aubrey.
Hey, y'all, just try to keep up.
Yeah.
Well, I suffer alone Through ill and woe Done so many wrong I don't even know St.
Angelo: The ex didn't come to us.
We can follow him around, and I think we can get his DNA from him.
Rodie: Aubrey, this is your comfort zone.
You be the quarterback.
10-4.
Aubrey worked at drug and addiction on the interstate.
He seized a hell of a lot of drugs being undercover.
I would put Aubrey against anyone out there.
Morgan: Here's the traffic coming in.
Yeah.
Now I know why I don't like living in a city, Lori.
I want to get to where I'm going either by boat [Both laugh.]
or-- four-Wheeler? Or four-Wheeler.
Where I don't see my neighbor within two Miles.
Right? I'll be a good neighbor, [laughing.]
But I'll be better if I don't see your ass.
Correct.
St.
Angelo: We pulling into the neighborhood.
His house is gonna be on the right.
Rodie, if you can go down the street, get eyes on the front of his house.
Leslie, stay about a block up.
Bradford: Yeah, I gotcha.
We're looking for a charcoal-colored hummer.
I can see that there's a light or a lamp or something on.
I'm gonna loop around the back.
I may be able to see something through this jacked-up fence.
Morgan: All right.
Let us know.
I think he's still here since I seen the hummer there.
Yeah.
Hey, after we get the ex's DNA, who's up for some bourbon street action? [Laughs.]
Who you think's getting more beads-- Leslie or Lori? I think whoever got the most shake in their Booty.
What you know about Booty? You better keep your mind off of booties.
That's what you got you in the shape you in now.
[Laughing.]
I agree with that, buddy.
All right.
Roger.
Ho, ho, ho.
Here he come.
He's backing out.
Shut the [Bleep.]
up.
Really? He's backing out.
Oh, this is beautiful.
Aubrey, take him.
All right.
I'm on him.
Go.
[Bleep.]
[Cellphone rings.]
Hey.
I'm behind him.
We coming back out towards the main thoroughfare.
Y'all go to 1 on your radio.
Go to 1 on your radio.
He took a right.
Okay, I'm going to 1.
Rodie: You know, the trickiest part in following someone is to not give yourself up.
People smell a rat, and if they get a whiff of you being around them, they gonna evade you and you'll never get it.
Leslie, are you right behind him? Bradford: No, I'm a couple of cars behind.
Rodie: So you have to be precise at the right moment and know when to do it and how to do it.
Bradford: He's turning at the red light.
All right.
I'm passing up, Ro.
I'm passing up.
You take him, Rodie.
We got him, Aubrey.
All right.
I had to get off.
I was right behind him at the light.
We're, like, in the garden district.
He's taking a left.
We're gonna have to pass him, Aubrey.
So you keep watching him.
St.
Angelo: All right.
I got it.
[Bleep.]
I'm trying not to get made in the middle of a [Bleep.]
parking lot.
Is he parked? Yeah, he's parked.
I hope he spits out a piece of gum.
Lori.
Hey, we're turning in the shopping center.
Ain't that it right over there? See it? He's sitting there.
I see it.
I see him.
He's still on the-- yeah, that's him.
Nacho mama's.
We in front of nacho mama's over here.
[Laughs.]
We got him.
We got him.
We have a great view.
It's easy to follow somebody in a big city like this.
Try doing it in the country.
I think he smells something 'cause why would he park? I know.
Why is he sitting there? I think Aubrey-- he might've caught Aubrey.
I wonder if he smells a rat with you sitting there or maybe he saw you.
If he did, I mean, it was a miracle.
Bu I mean, let's just see what he's doing.
I just seen him move.
All right, he's getting out.
He's getting out, wearing a plaid shirt, blue jeans-- white-and-black plaid shirt with blue jeans.
And it looks like he's going into the computer store.
Okay, I'll go walk in.
Lori just walked in.
She's in the building.
Wonder what he's making copies of.
Yeah, don't do that.
Don't burn it.
Don't risk it.
Aubrey, how 'bout we do this? We try to swab the door handle right now and get this done.
Leslie's right there close by him.
Let's take this shot.
10-4.
Rodie: You know, I'm a long way from an expert in technology, and I've said that before.
But if it help me find out who Eugenie's murderer is, this old dog's ready to go to school and learn some new tricks.
Hey, we doing it right now.
What he looks like right now? Morgan: He's not paying attention to the door.
I mean, you could do it quickly.
Go, Leslie.
Go, Leslie.
Ro.
Rodie: Yeah? We still good, babe.
We still good.
Cool, cool, cool, cool, cool.
[Bleep.]
Not good, not good.
Walking out the door.
Get in your car and back out.
Morgan: He's not paying attention to the doors.
I mean, you could do it quickly.
Go, Leslie.
Go, Leslie.
Cool, cool, cool.
He's leaving.
I think he's leaving.
[Bleep.]
Not good, not good.
Leslie, what you doing? Walking out the door.
Get in your car and back out.
You should see him walking out of the store.
[Sighs.]
Leslie, what you doing? Sweet! Freakin' right! Rodie: Lori's out.
Lori's out.
Mission accomplished.
Leslie, you looked stunning over there.
Bradford: Where are you? [Laughs.]
That's what I like.
You don't know where I'm at! [Laughter.]
That's good surveillance.
That's the way to do it, man.
I'm almost sure we got it now.
Morgan: You know what I love is he just got into the vehicle this morning, so that contact DNA has not had any time to degrade.
We caught it fresh right when he grabbed the handle.
Are we ready to get back? Got it.
We are going to go ahead and turn in all of our reference samples.
We might have the killer's DNA in our stuff.
We finally have Eugenie's ex's DNA.
And his will go with this big pile of them.
St.
Angelo: That'd be great.
Now we're gonna send all our samples of DNA to the crime lab, and we have to just wait for them results.
They said they would take it all in at one time and run those and compare those to the male profile.
Hopefully, we'll find out what we need to know.
While waiting for DNA results, we're gonna continue investigating the ex-husband.
We wanted to gather even more evidence to make sure that the subpena doesn't get quashed.
That way, he damn sure has to appear before us.
How bad was the divorce? Woman: She looked sad.
She looked like a sad person.
She was walking with the weight of the world.
She was so excited about getting married.
She just-- she loved him.
The first time I met [Bleep.]
I didn't particularly like him.
Man: I never saw him angry or anything like that.
There was a different Eugenie before her marriage to after her marriage.
I never got the sense that he was as in love with her as she was with him.
Fox: Eugenie had just gotten back from working out, and [Bleep.]
was moving out on her.
Rodie: What you thought of Eugenie's ex? [Ringing.]
St.
Angelo.
.
I'm looking for maybe any public records that can be obtained on an ex-husband of our murder victim, Eugenie Boisfontaine.
Anything that can tell me anything about him or her? [Printer whirring.]
Check this out.
Marriage certificate, state of Louisiana, and it ain't Eugenie's.
It's a marriage license for the ex-husband to marry another lady.
One month after his divorce was final with Eugenie, he's marrying another woman.
"Wham, bam, thank you, ma'am.
" Rodie: He filed for a marriage license less than a month after he was divorced from Eugenie.
This guy is a smooth operator.
There you go.
Rodie: He falls in love fast, very fast.
He's an interesting guy.
To marry within a month of just getting divorced, you've been seeing somebody for a minute.
Absolutely.
St.
Angelo: Rodie's been married six times, so, you know, I'm not here to judge nobody, and hopefully the DNA will tell the tale.
Rude, crude, and totally unacceptable.
Bradford: Can't wait another minute.
My heart is pumping.
The anticipation is-- [Chuckles.]
I know.
Today, the DNA results come back from the crime lab.
We've been waiting for this moment since we reopened Eugenie's case.
St.
Angelo: This investigation, we interviewed a lot of persons of interest, and after each interview, we were able to obtain their DNA.
There's a chance those results could show that somebody's DNA matches the DNA that was found in Eugenie's undergarments.
We could learn that the killer is amongst us.
Rodie: If we don't get a hit on any of these people, the sad part is we're back to square one.
Rodie: Didn't I tell you that wasn't no good you? That's the champion of all drinks.
I drink this like water.
There ain't no energy in there.
Bet when you hold your hand out, you're like this.
Look.
Hmm? Rodie: You know what's making you do that? That energy drink you're drinking.
Hey, guys, we got to call the lab.
[Ringing.]
Brocato: Hello.
Hebert: Hi, Joanie.
We all gathered up here.
No pressure.
[Laughs.]
The DNA in Eugenie's undergarments is so degraded that it's not enough for us to run through CODIS and get a nationwide hit.
But it is enough DNA for us to see somebody can be included or excluded.
Morgan: Okay.
St.
Angelo: Today is judgment day.
Morgan: It's now or never.
Hebert: Why would one person feel the need to bring three attorneys with him? St.
Angelo: You have the right to remain silent.
Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.
Do you wish to make a statement or talk to us now? Morgan: That's the ex-husband.
The only person that cannot be excluded is her ex-husband.
But what you're saying, Joanie, even though it's degraded as it is, there is some similarities with the ex's and what we have, right? Thank you, Joanie.
And the one that's given us the most trouble.
And who is that one person? Morgan: The ex-husband.
I'd like for him to tell me why his similarities are there.
I'd really like for DNA to advance again and we rerun that DNA and it confirm or deny.
Hebert: It may be probable cause enough for a judge to issue a court order that say, "you gonna give it up.
" Rodie: Bottom line is, he can't be ruled out as a suspect.
I want this guy in my interview room, especially right now.
Hebert: This plot is thickening by the minute.
I got 8: 32 A.
M.
Court's at 9: 00.
So in a few minutes, they'll let you sit.
St.
Angelo: Today isn't judgment day.
There'll be a hearing in front of a judge, and hopefully the judge rules that we shall have enough cause to speak with the ex-husband.
Y'all ready to head upstairs and go do this thing? Morgan: It's now or never.
Shut your phone off.
Yes.
When I first started looking into the ex and trying to find out if he'd talk to us and he kept dodging our calls and wanting an attorney St.
Angelo: What is the possibility I could speak with Mr.
[Bleep.]
In your presence? Rodie: Then he tells us, "I didn't know my wife was dead till recently.
" Then he's saying that he's coming in, give us his DNA.
Then he calls-- no, he's not.
We submitted the DNA samples to the lab, and the only person that cannot be excluded is her ex-husband.
[Beeping.]
This is a homicide, a murder case.
Not saying he's guilty.
Not saying he done anything.
No one's ever said he was implicated in this murder-- no one.
And I know because I started it.
No one has ever said anything about "Eugenie's ex-husband is a murderer.
" "Eugenie's ex-husband knows about who killed her.
" No one.
I want to know about his ex-wife.
I want to know about Eugenie Boisfontaine.
That's all.
He has to abide by that subpoena.
Hebert: I'm thrilled to death that the judge did rule in our favor.
Rodie: He's got to come.
He has to show.
This is the best-case scenario.
We got exactly what we wanted.
That's what we wanted.
Yeah.
And he had to pay three lawyers to come in from new Orleans to come do this.
He had a whole frickin' firm.
The ex-husband loses his motion to quash the D.
A.
Subpoena, and he's ordered to appear before us in our interrogation room.
Hebert: How you doing? Ron Hebert.
Y'all gonna come at 11: 00? Yes, sir.
All right, just come in the sheriff's office next to me, and they'll let me know you're here.
And then we'll bring you to the back, okay? All right.
Thank you, guys.
18 years ago, I made Ms.
Joan, Eugenie's mother, a promise-- I'd find who killed her daughter.
We may fulfill this promise.
Hopefully, he will come in and give us some information about her.
I hope.
Hebert: Hey, Rodie.
Rodie: Sir.
Telling you When you're first, just kind of Mellow.
Yeah.
You know, try to Kind of ease in.
Yeah, try to give him a little conf-- you know, a little tone.
Rodie: Okay.
That dude look like he wants to be out that room like yesterday.
All right.
Just for the record, we're gonna log this down as 10: 59 on December 9, 2015.
See the guy in the back corner? He was a prosecutor for the state of Louisiana in federal court.
Mm.
These are your rights related to Miranda.
You have the right to remain silent.
Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.
You have the right to talk to a lawyer, have a lawyer present with you while you're being questioned.
If you cannot afford to hire a lawyer, one will be appointed to represent you free of charge before any question.
You understand your rights I explained to you? Put your initials on "yes," please.
[Clears throat.]
Having been read these rights, do you wish to make a statement or talk to us now? [Police radio chatter.]
Rodie: We found DNA from two to three males in Eugenie's underwear.
Would you give me a reference sample of DNA? Absolutely.
In the last month, we interviewed a lot of people and asked them for their DNA.
Unfortunately, that DNA that was found in Eugenie's panties was mixed and damaged too much to find an I.
D.
in CODIS, but it's still good enough to make a manual comparison.
A manual comparison is a way to line up two DNA samples to include or exclude a suspect.
Out of all these suspects, the only person that cannot be excluded is her ex-husband.
Hell, no.
Hell, no.
Not by a long shot.
Rodie: Out of all the suspects we have, the only person whose DNA can't be excluded from Eugenie's panties is the ex-husband.
Today, the judge ruled that he has to come show up.
Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.
He didn't come in, the judge can hold him in contempt of court.
You understand your rights I explained to you? Put your initials on "yes," please.
[Clears throat.]
I don't read, and I ain't no freakin' poet for sure, but, man, I love interrogatin'.
Makes me feel young all over again.
Having been read these rights, do you wish to make a statement or talk to us now? Put your initials on "no," please, sir.
We advise him his rights.
He says, "I'm taking the fifth.
I don't have anything to say to y'all.
" St.
Angelo: Eugenie's ex is exercising his right to remain silent.
It's no crime in doing that.
But all that does is provokes us to dig harder.
Can you believe, after all this, he's gonna now plead the fifth? Morgan: It's frustrating.
I mean, I think y'all have concern for your own reasons of your client, and with the reopening of the Eugenie case, it's protocol that we follow up on every person.
The point of talking to Mr.
[Bleep.]
Is not to point any fingers at him.
It is to try to learn something about Eugenie.
And who else to know somebody but a person who joined hands with them in holy matrimony? And that's all we wanted.
Would there be any victimology that you guys would let us obtain? No.
We have contacted the families, and they've all cooperated.
Only thing we wanted to do was see if we could get some kind of knowledge about Eugenie during the marriage and what we could shed light on.
So everybody else has Cooper-- the marriage? Sir? It's not violating any trust of marriage that I could see.
Morgan: What kind of statement is he trying to make right here? Doesn't look like somebody who's willing to cooperate.
St.
Angelo: I was very excited that we finally got our moment, but in the end, he plead the fifth.
We were thirsty, and they wasn't feeding.
Mm-hmm.
Very nice to meet y'all.
I think you did have some concern about your DNA.
Thank you.
But I have your DNA, just to let you know.
Okay.
Great.
Thank you.
All right.
Thank you.
Have a nice day.
St.
Angelo: It sucks.
It's just I mean, it's crazy.
It's crazy.
What kind of guy doesn't want to help find out who murdered his ex-wife? Rodie: You know, this investigation really is far from over.
We're gonna continue to investigate him to see whether he is or he is not involved in this murder.
Hebert: From the time he walked in that door to the time he left out that door was nothing but indications of nervousness.
He wouldn't even look at us.
If his demeanor would've been different.
Hebert: Of all the people we have interviewed, that guy right there was the most uncomfortable person I seen throughout this investigation.
And I agree.
St.
Angelo: Dude walked in with three lawyers.
Three attorneys.
We're from two to three now.
I had to go get extra chairs.
This is bull [Bleep.]
18 years ago, I made Eugenie's mother a promise I'd find who killed her daughter.
But maybe it's something I shouldn't have done.
What if I can't fulfill this promise? Then maybe I should just say, "to hell with it all, I'm retiring, and the rest of my life is devoted strictly to my children.
" [Breathing heavily.]
Are there cold cases that have never been solved out there? Of course there are.
Are there mediocre detectives out there with cold cases that should've been solved because of their work performance? Absolutely.
And that's upsetting.
But I'm not doing anything half-ass when it comes to this line of work.
Rodie: To do this job, can't get frustrated.
You got to back out, come back in with another strategy.
Engolio: My boss, the D.
A.
, wants us to bring a case that we can win at trial.
And to get to trial, we got to get to beyond a reasonable doubt.
I want to check the records to see if this guy has ever received any insurance payments.
Rodie: I want to know if she had a will, did she have a life-insurance policy, who had access to her accounts.
You know, that all could point to a motive.
And that's it.
Probable cause is still a big burden that we have to carry.
We're on the right track.
We're on the right track.
We're not going away.
We're gonna be here, and we're gonna dig, dig, dig.
St.
Angelo: I'll stop this case when the right person or persons that committed this murder is brought to justice.
Until then, let it be known that we're coming.
As of today, nobody's been arrested in connection with Eugenie's murder, but we're not giving up.
We're still pushing forward.
I'm not gonna give up that easy.
My team and the D.
A.
's office now are working together on this case.
We have a lot of leads in the works.
In a few months, you're gonna hear all about it.