Kindred Spirits (2016) s01e06 Episode Script
Trapped in the Attic
Bruni: AND YOU JUST TELL THEM TO GO AWAY, THOUGH, AND THEY GO AWAY? THE SCARY ONES, THEY NEVER, EVER GO AWAY.
WHAT WAS THAT? THEIR FATHER PASSED AWAY.
I SAW THE BLACK SILHOUETTE OF SOMETHING SITTING.
YOU SAW AN APPARITION SITTING HERE? SOMETHING MOVING IN THE KID'S ROOM? THAT IS THE KID'S ROOM.
HE'S TALKING ABOUT SEEING A SHADOW FIGURE AT NIGHT.
Berry: THE ACTIVITY SCARES HER ENOUGH WHERE SHE IS LITERALLY MOVING OUT.
-[ GASPS .]
-OH, [BLEEP.]
! -- Captions by VITAC -- I'M AMY BRUNI.
AND I'M ADAM BERRY.
WE'VE SPEN A COMBINED 30 YEARS INVESTIGATING THE WORLD'S MOST TERRIFYING HAUNTINGS.
AFTER THOUSANDS OF CASES, WE ARE READY FOR OUR MOST IMPORTANT JOURNEY YET.
[ BOTH GASP .]
RESCUING FAMILIES TERRORIZED BY PARANORMAL ACTIVITY IN THEIR OWN HOMES.
WE UNCOVER THE TRUTH BEHIND THE HAUNTING TO HELP FAMILIES RECLAIM THEIR HOMES THANK YOU SO MUCH.
AND THEIR LIVES.
CAPTIONS PAID FOR BY DISCOVERY COMMUNICATIONS SO THIS CASE IS KIND OF INTERESTING IN THAT IT'S, LIKE, AN OLD TENEMENT HOUSE, YOU KNOW, NEW ENGLAND STYLE WHERE IT'S, LIKE, APARTMENT, APARTMENT, APARTMENT.
IT WAS BUILT IN 1924.
-OKAY.
SO THE ONES WHO CALLED US ARE SHANNON AND REBEKKA.
THEY ARE SISTERS.
THEY'RE ALL RELATED.
BUT, LIKE, BOTTOM FLOOR IS THE GRANDMOTHER.
NEXT UP IS SHANNON, HER SON.
AND THEN THE TOP FLOOR IS REBEKKA AND HER SON.
IT SOUNDS HUGE, THOUGH.
-IT'S REALLY BIG.
-OKAY.
THEIR FATHER PASSED AWAY, LIKE, 13, 14 YEARS AGO.
DID THE FATHER DIE IN THE HOUSE, THOUGH? -NO.
NO.
-NO? THEY SEEM TO THINK A LOT OF THE ACTIVITY IS HIM.
BUT SOME OF IT DOESN' SOUND LIKE IT COULD BE HIM.
THEY'VE HAD THINGS THROWN IN THE HOUSE.
THEY HEAR FOOTSTEPS UPSTAIRS.
THEY ARE SO FRIGHTENED, AT THIS POINT, THAT THEY'RE NOT EVEN GOING INTO CERTAIN ROOMS.
REBEKKA LIVES ON THE TOP UNIT.
AND THERE'S, LIKE, A WHOLE HALF OF THE UNI SHE'S NOT EVEN USING, AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE SHE DOESN' WANNA GO IN THOSE ROOMS.
SHE FEELS UNSAFE.
-THAT'S CRAZY.
-I KNOW.
-THAT'S CRAZY.
THE ACTIVITY SCARES HER ENOUGH WHERE SHE IS LITERALLY MOVING OUT.
AND THEN PLUS THERE'S KIDS INVOLVED.
AND ONE OF THEM IS 5.
HE'S TALKING ABOUT SEEING, LIKE, A SHADOW FIGURE AT NIGH WHEN HE'S IN BED TRYING TO SLEEP.
YOU KNOW, HAS FULL-ON CONVERSATIONS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.
THERE'S THE FOOTSTEPS, THE OBJECTS MOVING, THE SHADOW FIGURES I REALLY WANNA SEE REBEKKA MOVE INTO THE REST OF HER HOUSE.
RIGHT.
OF COURSE.
I REALLY WANNA MAKE SURE THE KID'S OKAY.
YEAH.
AND I'D LIKE TO GIVE THEM SOME ANSWERS AS TO WHO'S THERE.
Berry: YOU KNOW, THIS FAMILY'S REALLY TERRIFIED.
THEY ARE REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE, YOU KNOW, LIVING IN THEIR HOUSE.
Bruni: THAT IS A VERY BIG HOUSE.
Berry: YOU SAID THEY HAVE THREE APARTMENTS IN THERE? THREE INDIVIDUAL APARTMENTS.
THIS BUILDING IS HUGE.
THERE ARE THREE APARTMENTS, THREE DIFFERENT FAMILIES.
-HI.
-HOW ARE YOU? -HI.
I'M REBEKKA.
-I'M AMY.
GOOD TO MEET YOU.
-SHANNON.
NICE TO MEET YOU.
-HI.
-HI, HI.
-HI, SHANNON.
NICE TO MEET YOU.
THANK YOU, GUYS.
Bruni: LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON.
SHALL WE? THE GRANDMOTHER LIVES ON THE FIRST FLOOR, SHANNON ON THE SECOND AND REBEKKA ON THE THIRD.
WE HAVE OUR WORK CUT OUT FOR US BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF GROUND TO COVER AND A LOT OF MONITORING TO DO.
SO THIS HERE'S MY GRANDMOTHER'S HOUSE.
PARDON THE MESS.
WE'RE RENOVATING SOON.
SO WE'RE KINDA BOXING UP AS WE GO.
OH, YEAH.
ALL RIGHT.
SO HOW LONG HAS YOUR GRANDMOTHER LIVED IN THIS AREA? UM, SHE BOUGH THIS HOUSE IN 1982.
SHE'S BEEN HERE SINCE.
SHE'S ALWAYS LIVED ON THIS LEVEL? YES, ALWAYS ON THIS LEVEL, SPECIFICALLY.
AND SO, I MEAN, HAVE YOU HAD ACTIVITY IN HERE? NOTHING EVER REALLY HAPPENS IN HERE.
OKAY.
SO WE'LL PROBABLY FOCUS ON THE UPPER FLOORS.
SO I GUESS WE CAN MOVE ON.
NOW WE'LL GO TO MY APARTMENT.
SO THIS IS MY LIVING ROOM HERE.
HAVE YOU HAD EXPERIENCES IN THIS ROOM? UM, KNOCKING ON THE DOOR THERE, YES A COUPLE TIMES.
-AND SO YOU OPEN I AND THERE'S NOBODY THERE, OBVIOUSLY.
-NEVER.
-ALL RIGHT.
-OKAY.
-ALL RIGHT.
WELL, LET'S GO ON AND HEAD IN HERE.
OKAY.
-THIS IS MY KITCHEN.
-OKAY.
UM, THERE'S BEEN ACTIVITY IN HERE.
I HAVE A SLOTTED SPOON, UH, LIKE WE USE, LIKE, FOR OUR RICE.
AND THE SPOON FLEW OUT OF THE DISH RACK, HIT THE WALL, AND FELL TO THE FLOOR.
THERE WERE DISHES HERE, YEAH? I HAD A COUPLE SAUCE POTS UP ABOUT THIS HIGH OR SO.
-UH-HUH.
-AND I HAD THE SPOON IN HERE.
LIKE, IN BETWEEN THE SAUCE POTS, KINDA? YEAH, IT WAS KINDA, LIKE, STUCK IN THERE, YOU KNOW? YEAH, YEAH.
IT'S JUS AN UNSETTLING FEELING.
BUT THE NOT KNOWING IS WHAT IRKS ME.
-ALL RIGHT.
SO, THE THIRD FLOOR.
-YES.
NOW, WHO LIVES UP HERE? I LIVE UP HERE.
THIS IS MY APARTMENT.
-ALL RIGHT.
AND YOU LIVE HERE WITH YOUR SON? -MY SON.
-OKAY.
SO JUS THE TWO OF YOU UP HERE? -YEP.
-ALL RIGHT.
I NOTICE THERE'S NO FURNITURE.
WHAT'S HAPPENING? -YES, UM THIS ROOM MAKES ME VERY UNCOMFORTABLE.
-THIS ROOM DOES? -YES.
MM-HMM.
-HAS IT ALWAYS? -ALWAYS.
DID SOMETHING HAPPEN UP HERE EVER? THERE WAS A FIGURE SITTING ON A COUCH AGAINST THAT WALL THAT WAS OVER THERE AND THE FOOTSTEPS IN THE ATTIC CONTINUOUSLY.
AND YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE ATTIC? -YES.
-OKAY.
OH, GOOD.
SOUNDS LIKE A JOB FOR ADAM.
AHA, NO.
SO YOU WON'T EVEN GO INTO THIS SPACE, REALLY? NO.
I MEAN, IF I HAVE TO, IF I ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, CLEANING OR SOMETHING, I WILL.
BUT I DON'T CHOOSE TO HANG OUT IN HERE.
I DON'T LIKE TO BE IN HERE.
MAKES ME UNCOMFORTABLE.
THIS WOULD TECHNICALLY BE THE DINING ROOM.
BUT I ALSO DON' LIKE TO BE IN HERE.
MY SON LIKES TO BE IN HERE.
HE PLAYS WITH HIS TABLE AT THIS LITTLE PLUG RIGHT THERE.
SO YOU DON' LIKE THIS ROOM EITHER? I JUST, I -- I CHOOSE NO TO HANG OUT IN THESE ROOMS.
-SO YOU LIVE IN THIS BIG SPACE.
-MM-HMM.
BUT, LIKE, A BIG PORTION OF THE SPACE, YOU WON'T USE.
YEAH.
SO THE THINGS THAT HAVE OCCURRED THAT HAVE MADE YOU FREAK OU ABOUT THIS SPACE IS YOU SAW AN APPARITION.
I SAW THE BLACK SILHOUETTE OF SOMETHING SITTING.
SITTING HERE? -I WALKED THROUGH -I WAS HERE WHEN IT HAPPENED.
AND I GOT TO ABOUT, LIKE, THIS ANGLE.
WAS IT, LIKE COULD YOU TELL FEATURES OR WAS IT JUST A SHADOW? -IT WAS LIKE A SILHOUETTE.
-OKAY.
YEAH, YEAH.
-AND SO, YOU -- DO YOU KNOW WHO THA PERSON WAS OR DO YOU JUST? UM, THE POSITION IT WAS SITTING IN, I WOULD SAY, JUS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, POSSIBLY MY FATHER -YEAH.
BECAUSE THAT'S HOW HE WOULD SIT ON THE COUCH.
-WHAT WAS HIS REAL NAME? -JERRY.
JEROME.
MAYBE HE WANTED ME TO SEE HIM.
I DON'T KNOW.
Rebekka: SO THIS IS NOAH'S ROOM.
HE DOESN'T TYPICALLY LIKE TO BE IN HERE.
HE'D RATHER BE IN THE MIDDLE ROOM.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BECAUSE HE'S MORE AFRAID OF THIS ROOM THAN THAT ROOM.
-MM-HMM.
-HE DOES WAKE UP AT NIGH AND TELLS ME THAT HE SEES SHADOWS IN HIS ROOM A LOT.
I TRY TO TELL HIM, YOU KNOW, TRY TO MAKE -- BECAUSE HE'S LITTLE, I TRY TO MAKE HIM FEEL BETTER.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT TRUE.
IT'S NOT REAL, YOU KNOW.
BUT HE'S STILL -- HE'S VERY ADAMAN ON THAT HE SEES STUFF IN THIS ROOM ALL THE TIME.
HE HAS SAT IN HERE AND TALKED.
SHE'S HEARD HIM DOWNSTAIRS.
SHE'S CALLED ME AND LET ME KNOW.
SO YOU HEAR HIM TALKING AT NIGH IN HERE BY HIMSELF.
-MM-HMM.
WELL, THEY -- THEY HEAR I AND THEN THEY CALL ME BECAUSE HER ROOM IS RIGHT BELOW HIS ROOM.
AND THEY'LL HEAR HIM WALKING AROUND AND TALKING.
AND WHEN HE'S TALKING, DOES HE SOUND AGITATED? DOES HE SOUND -HE SOUNDS CURIOUS.
-HAPPY OR JUST TALKING? HE SOUNDS LIKE HE'S TALKING TO ANOTHER CHILD.
WHERE DOES HE SAY THAT, UH, HE SEES THE MAN? OR DOES HE EVER -- DID HE EVER TALK ABOU A SPECIFIC LOCATION? I'VE ASKED HIM BEFORE.
AND HE TELLS ME THEY'RE MOST AGAINST, LIKE, THIS AREA, THIS WALL.
HOW -- HOW MANY TIMES HAS THAT HAPPENED? -FOUR OR FIVE.
-DO YOU MENTION, LIKE, GHOSTS AROUND HIM AT ALL OR ANYTHING? NO, HE'S NEVER EVEN WATCHED, LIKE, A SCARY MOVIE.
YEAH.
OKAY.
SO HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THEY COULD BE OTHER THAN WHAT HE'S THINKING OF IN HIS MIND.
THE MOST HE'S HEARD ABOUT GHOSTS IS THAT YOU GUYS ARE COMING TO THE HOUSE TO YOU THINK HE'S SCARED? I MEAN, IS HE SCARED TO BE IN THE HOUSE? OH, YEAH.
HE WON'T STAY IN HERE ALONE AT NIGHT.
Bruni: EVERY KID SHOULD FEEL SAFE IN THEIR OWN ROOM.
I'M A MOTHER MYSELF.
SO TALKING TO CHILDREN IS PART OF MY DAILY LIFE.
SO I'M GONNA SIT DOWN WITH NOAH AND SEE IF WE CAN GE TO THE BOTTOM OF WHAT HE'S SEEING IN HIS ROOM.
I GOT SOMETHING FOR YOU.
-WHAT IS IT? WHAT IF WE PLAY DINOSAURS? I DON'T REALLY LIKE DINOSAURS.
OH, NO! ALL RIGHT.
BYE.
SEE YOU LATER.
BUT DON'T WORRY.
I DO KIND OF LIKE DINOSAURS.
WILL YOU PLAY WITH THEM WITH ME? OH, DINOSAURS.
WHAT'S THIS ONE? UH, IT'S A T.
REX.
T.
REX.
HE'S THE SCARIEST ONE, HUH? YEAH.
I'M NOT SCARED OF HIM.
-YOU'RE NOT SCARED OF HIM? ARE YOU SCARED OF ANYTHING? -NO.
BUT YOU'RE NEVER SCARED IN THIS ROOM? IS THIS YOUR -- THIS IS YOUR FAVORITE ROOM TO PLAY IN? YES.
DO YOU LIKE SLEEPING IN YOUR ROOM? COULD WE GET BACK TO PLAYING DINOSAURS? OH, YES.
WE CAN.
SORRY.
HAVE YOU EVER SEEN ANYTHING WEIRD IN YOUR ROOM? -UM, SOMETIMES.
-WHAT? SHADOWS.
SHADOWS? SO DO YOU EVER TRY TO TALK TO THE SHADOWS? -YES.
-AND WHAT DO YOU SAY? I SAY, "GET AWAY FROM ME!" YOU JUST TELL THEM TO GO AWAY, THOUGH, AND THEY GO AWAY? NOT THE SCARY ONES.
THE SCARY ONES, THEY NEVER, EVER GO AWAY.
IF I SEE ANY SHADOW PEOPLE, I'M GONNA TELL 'EM, "THIS IS NOAH'S ROOM.
AND YOU GUYS SHOULD PROBABLY LET HIM SLEEP.
" TALKING TO NOAH REALLY HEIGHTENED THE URGENCY OF THIS INVESTIGATION.
WE HAVE TO FIGURE OU WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THESE SHADOWS IN HIS ROOM.
NOAH'S SAFETY IS OUR FIRST PRIORITY.
IS THAT CAMERA UP? -Yes.
-OKAY.
THIS IS AMY AND ADAM IN THE THIRD-FLOOR APARTMEN IN NEW BRITAIN, CONNECTICUT, NIGHT ONE.
YOU SAW US IN HERE EARLIER.
WE WERE INTRODUCED BY SHANNON AND REBEKKA.
MY NAME IS AMY.
MY NAME IS ADAM.
AND THEY'VE ASKED US TO GET IN CONTACT WITH YOU, WHOEVER IS HERE.
WE'RE GONNA START WITH WHO THEY THINK IS HERE.
AND THAT WOULD BE SOMEONE NAMED JER, OR JERRY.
THESE GIRLS LOVED YOU VERY MUCH.
AND THEY WERE SURPRISED BY YOUR DEATH.
IT SEEMED TO COME AS A SHOCK TO THEM.
JER, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANNA SAY TO YOUR GIRLS? ALL RIGHT.
LET'S LISTEN.
YOU SAW US IN HERE EARLIER.
WE WERE INTRODUCED BY SHANNON AND REBEKKA.
MY NAME IS AMY.
MY NAME IS ADAM.
AND THEY'VE ASKED US, WHOEVER IS HERE, PARTICULARLY, WE WANNA STAR WITH SOME PEOPLE WHO THEY THINK IS HERE.
IS THAT A CAT? I DON'T KNOW.
THERE'S SOMETHING MOVING IN THE WINDOW, RIGHT? THERE'S SOMETHING MOVING IN THE WINDOW IN THE KID'S ROOM.
-THAT IS THE KID'S ROOM.
-THAT'S IN THE KID'S ROOM? -THAT IS THE KID'S ROOM.
Berry: I STILL SEE IT.
Bruni: YOU DO? YEAH, IT'S IN THE CORNER.
IT MOVED.
LOOK, IT'S RIGHT HERE.
RIGHT HERE, RIGHT HERE, RIGHT HERE.
I MEAN, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE ROOM.
BUT I SEE I ON THE CAMERA.
Bruni: CAN YOU SEE IT STILL? YEAH.
IT'S IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER.
I JUST SAW IT.
OKAY, I'M GONNA GO TO THIS SIDE SO I CAN SEE.
AND YOU CAN SEE RIGHT DOWN TO THE GARAGE FROM HERE.
IF IT WERE DOWN THERE, IT WAS THIS TALL.
BUT IT HAS TO BE, LIKE, AS TALL AS THE GARAGE, RIGHT? THAT'S WHERE NOAH SAYS HE SEES A SHADOW FIGURE.
-I KNOW.
-I'M CONCERNED FOR NOAH.
WHAT IF IT'S SOMETHING OUTSIDE CASTING A SHADOW UP HERE? IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S NATURALLY OCCURRING, WE NEED TO FIND OUT.
YOU KNOW WHAT? I'M GONNA GO DOWN THERE AND WALK AROUND.
ALL RIGHT.
LET ME GO DOWN.
-Check, check.
-CHECK GOOD.
OKAY, WALK IN FRON OF THE GARAGE.
I'M WALKING.
WALK AROUND THAT AREA TO THE RIGHT OF THE VAN.
I'm going to the garage door.
COMING BACK.
THERE, RIGHT THERE.
THAT WAS IT.
IT'S PEOPLE.
-GREAT.
RIGHT HERE? -YEP.
OH, I'M ACTUALLY KINDA RELIEVED.
ANY TIME ANYONE WALKS IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE, IT SHOWED UP ON OUR CAMERA AS A SHADOW FIGURE.
KIND OF A LETDOWN BUT NOT BECAUSE, UH, I DIDN'T REALLY WANNA THINK OF A -- A SHADOW THING LOOKING IN NOAH'S WINDOW AT NIGHT.
EVEN THOUGH WE FIGURED OU THE SHADOWS, THERE'S STILL A LOT OF OTHER THINGS GOING ON IN THIS HOUSE.
SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFEREN IN NOAH'S ROOM.
WE ARE GOING TO SET UP THREE FLASHLIGHTS.
AND WE'RE GONNA SEE IF WE CAN GET SOMETHING TO TURN THE FLASHLIGHTS OFF AND ON.
SINCE WHATEVER'S HERE SEEMS TO LIKE TO MANIPULATE OBJECTS AND THROW THINGS AND STUFF, IT MIGHT RESPOND TO TRYING TO TURN THESE FLASHLIGHTS ON AND OFF.
IT SEEMS SIMPLE.
BUT THEN ONCE THEY ACTUALLY WORK, WE CAN ASSIGN A "YES" FLASHLIGHT, A "NO" FLASHLIGHT, AN "I DON'T KNOW" FLASHLIGHT, AND WE CAN HAVE ACTUAL CONVERSATIONS WITH THESE THINGS.
ALL RIGHT.
SO WHOEVER'S IN HERE WITH US, I JUST SET OU SOME FLASHLIGHTS ON THAT DESK.
IF YOU TRY AND TWI -- OKAY.
OKAY.
IF YOU TWIST THE TOP OF THEM, IT TURNS ON, JUST LIKE THAT.
IF THAT'S YOU, CAN YOU TURN THAT ONE BACK OFF? I JUST NEED YOU TO TWIST I THE OTHER DIRECTION UNTIL IT TURNS ALL THE WAY OFF.
JUST GIVE I A GOOD TWIST.
KEEP GOING UNTIL IT TURNS OFF.
VERY GOOD.
-THANK YOU.
SO YOU TURNED ON THE RED ONE.
CAN YOU TURN ON EITHER THE BLUE OR THE BLACK FLASHLIGHT? EITHER ONE IS FINE.
IF YOU DO I WHEN WE ASK YOU TO DO I AND THE COLORS THAT WE ASK, WE CAN MAKE ONE YES, ONE NO, AND ONE I DON'T KNOW.
BUT WE JUST NEED YOU TO TURN THEM ON WHEN WE ASK.
SO EITHER THE BLUE OR THE BLACK ONE.
I KNOW IT'S REALLY HARD AND IT TAKES A LOT OF ENERGY, BUT DO WHATEVER YOU CAN AND TWIST THE END OF THAT FLASHLIGHT FOR US.
THE BLUE ONE OR THE BLACK ONE.
MAN, WE ARE, LIKE, STRIKIN' OUT HERE TONIGHT.
I KNOW.
I AM NOT READY TO -- TO SAY THAT IS PARANORMAL.
THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON HERE.
AND I FEEL LIKE THERE'S SOMETHING WE'RE MISSING.
LET'S DO AN EVP SESSION IN HERE.
THIS IS AMY AND ADAM.
WE ARE IN NOAH'S ROOM.
IS THERE SOMEONE IN HERE WITH US? DO YOU KNOW NOAH? DO YOU STAY IN THIS ROOM, OR DO YOU MOVE THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE HOUSE? DO YOU KNOW WHO JERRY IS? IS NOAH YOUR FRIEND? DO YOU TALK TO NOAH AT NIGHT? "NO.
" -YEAH.
"NO," RIGHT? "NO.
" THAT ONE THING -IT IS NO.
DO YOU KNOW JERRY? "NO.
" -DO YOU KNOW JERRY? "NO.
" WE'RE NOT GETTING ANYTHING ELSE.
I DON'T KNOW.
I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO THERE'S SOMETHING WE'RE MISSING.
MAYBE WE'RE JUST TALKING TO THE WRONG PEOPLE.
MAYBE IT'S NO WHO THEY THINK IT IS.
WE KNOW THEIR EXPERIENCES.
WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM.
WE KNOW THEIR NAMES AND STUFF.
YEAH.
I THINK WE NEED TO FIND OU MORE ABOUT THIS HOUSE, MORE ABOUT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, MORE ABOU WHAT HAPPENED HERE BEFORE, EVERYTHING WE CAN, BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON HERE.
AND WE NEED MORE INFO ON JERRY BECAUSE HE'S NOT TALKING.
YEAH.
Bruni: AFTER WHAT WE EXPERIENCED LAST NIGHT, WE'RE REALLY GONNA SHIF OUR FOCUS FROM LOOKING FOR THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS TO LOOKING AT SOME FORMER OWNERS OF THE HOUSE.
KOTEK FAMILY.
MEANWHILE, ADAM'S GOING TO SI DOWN WITH ISAIAH, SHANNON'S SON, AND JUST TRY TO GE MORE INFORMATION FROM THEM, GET MORE INTO THE NITTY-GRITTY OF WHAT THE HOUSE HAS BEEN LIKE, THEIR HISTORY, WHAT THEY'VE EXPERIENCED.
AND THAT'S HOW WE FIND OUT A LO MORE INFORMATION SOMETIMES.
-HOW ARE YOU, MAN? -GOOD.
I JUST WANTED TO CHAT WITH YOU FOR A MINUTE.
I JUST WANTED TO KNOW FROM YOU KIND OF WHAT THE ACTIVITY YOU'VE EXPERIENCED IN THE HOUSE.
DO YOU EVER FEEL THREATENED? DO YOU EVER FEEL UNSAFE BY THE THINGS THAT ARE HERE? I ONLY EVER FEEL UNSAFE IN THE ATTIC.
I SAW AN APPARITION OF A MAN FIGURE.
IT WAS JUST A DARK SHADOW.
-IN THE ATTIC? -YEAH.
I BELIEVED IT TO BE MALE BECAUSE OF THE BROAD SHOULDERS.
-UH-HUH.
-AND I EXCLAIMED, YOU KNOW, "THE MAN! THE MAN! THERE'S A MAN!" AND IT WAS QUITE TERRIFYING.
I WAS SCREAMING BLOODY MURDER.
IF THERE IS SOMEBODY HERE AND YOU WERE TO KNOW WHO THE PERSON WAS, WHO DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE? IT WOULD BE MY GRANDFATHER, JEROME.
OKAY.
SO YOU THINK HE KIND OF LIVES -- INHABITS THAT SPACE? MM-HMM.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING OF YOUR DAD'S IN THE HOUSE STILL, ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA HELP US IN TERMS OF TALKING TO HIM DURING THE INVESTIGATION? THIS IS MY VERY FIRST BIBLE, GIVEN TO ME BY HIM.
-WHO IS THIS? -THIS IS, UH, THE LAST PICTURE THAT I HAVE OF MY FATHER.
-OH, OKAY.
IT WAS THE LAST CHRISTMAS WE HAD TOGETHER.
HE WAS A REALLY AWESOME GUY.
HE WAS A VERY FRIENDLY MAN -MM-HMM.
-A VERY HONEST-WORKING GUY.
I'M KINDA LIKE MY FATHER WITH, LIKE, A STRONG MENTALITY WHERE I CAN TAKE CARE OF EVERYONE.
THAT WAS MY DAD.
HE TOOK CARE OF EVERYONE.
WHILE I WAS A CHI -- VERY SMALL CHILD, UM, HE WAS A BAPTIST PREACHER.
-REALLY? -MM-HMM.
-SO HE WAS RELIGIOUS? -YES, VERY.
WHAT IS THERE TO BE NERVOUS ABOUT WHEN THE ACTIVITY HAPPENS? AND WHAT -- WHAT IS THERE TO BE NERVOUS ABOUT, LIKE -- LIKE YOUR SISTER NOT UTILIZING THAT SPACE? LIKE, WHY THE NERVES IF YOU THINK IT'S -- IF HE'S HERE PROTECTING? WELL, THAT'S JUS MY THEORY ON IT.
SHE THINKS DIFFERENTLY.
-WHAT DOES SHE THINK? SHE'S JUST AFRAID OF THE UNKNOWN IN GENERAL.
SHE DOESN'T THINK IT'S YOUR DAD.
SHE DOESN'T KNOW.
SHE DOESN' KNOW IF IT'S MY FATHER.
SHE DOESN'T KNOW IF IT'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S WATCHING.
Bruni: HELLO, MR.
BERRY.
I'VE GOT A TON OF TRIGGER OBJECTS THAT WE CAN USE TO TALK TO JERRY.
THIS IS THE FIRST BIBLE THAT SHE EVER GO WITH PICTURES OF HER DAD.
THIS IS HER, LIKE, OLDER KID BIBLE THAT SHE GOT FROM HER DAD.
-OKAY.
-I'M GLAD SHE GAVE IT TO US.
I MEAN, WE CAN USE THEM AS OBJECTS IN CASE HE RECOGNIZES THEM.
-RIGHT.
-MAYBE HE WILL SAY SOMETHING.
-I LEARNED A LOT TODAY.
I'M BASICALLY THE NEW TOWN HISTORIAN FOR NEW BRITAIN, CONNECTICUT.
-[ LAUGHS .]
-SO -AMAZING.
THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1924, WHICH WE KNEW.
-YEAH.
-WHAT WE DIDN'T KNOW WAS THAT THERE ARE TWO DEATHS ASSOCIATED WITH THE HOUSE.
ONE WAS A PREVIOUS OWNER.
HE HAD A MASSIVE HEART ATTACK IN THIS HOUSE MM-HMM.
AND, UH, THEN WAS TRANSPORTED TO THE HOSPITAL AND PASSED AWAY A DAY OR TWO LATER.
AND THEN THE KOTEK FAMILY BOUGHT THE HOUSE IN THE '60s.
NOW, THE KOTEKS, THEY CAME OVER IN 1956 OR 1957 FROM POLAND.
-MM-HMM.
-HE WAS VERY, VERY SICK.
WHAT I FOUND IS THAT THEY SOLD THIS HOUSE.
AND THEN 2 MONTHS LATER, HE DIED.
THAT'S INTERESTING.
SO EVEN THOUGH HE DIDN'T DIE HERE, HE COULD STILL REALLY BE CONNECTED TO THE HOUSE.
OKAY.
THERE'S SO MUCH TO PROCESS.
I JUST FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A LO OF INFORMATION THAT WE CAN USE.
SO HOPEFULLY USING THAT, IN ADDITION TO EVERYTHING WE GOT FROM THE FAMILY TODAY WE HAVE A LOT OF AMMUNITION.
SO LET'S TAKE IT.
-ALL RIGHT.
-LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
AND LET'S MAKE SURE THESE KIDS ARE SAFE.
Bruni: TONIGHT, WE'RE EXPLORING ALL THE POSSIBILITIES OF WHO COULD BE HAUNTING THIS FAMILY.
SINCE THEY BROUGH THIS STUFF OUT FOR US, LET'S PUT A REM POD NEXT TO IT.
-YEAH, FOR SURE.
AND THAT WAY, IF ANYTHING COMES NEAR IT, IT WILL GO OFF.
-YEAH.
WE'RE USING THE FATHER'S BELONGINGS TO SEE IF THAT CAN TRIGGER ANY RESPONSES.
AND SINCE THE FAMILY HAS REPORTED UNEXPLAINED NOISES AND APPARITIONS IN THE ATTIC, WE'RE GONNA START THERE.
THIS IS INTERESTING.
-WHAT? SOME STUFF THAT WAS JERRY'S, LOTS OF PHOTOS.
LET'S PUT THIS BACK.
I'M GONNA DO AN EVP SESSION UP HERE.
Berry: OKAY.
THIS IS AMY AND ADAM.
WE ARE IN THE ATTIC.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THIS ROOM WITH US? WHOEVER YOU ARE, CAN YOU TELL ME YOUR NAME? WE ARE LOOKING FOR ANYONE WHO LIVED IN THIS HOUSE.
IS YOUR NAME JERRY OR JER? ARE YOU MR.
KOTEK? DID YOU IMMIGRATE TO THE UNITED STATES? WHAT WAS THAT? KOPEK -- KOTEK.
NO, NO, NO.
WHAT? KOTEK! -KOTEK.
100%! GO BACK AGAIN.
GO BACK AGAIN.
GO BACK AGAIN.
I WANNA HEAR IT AGAIN.
IT'S, LIKE, "KOTEK.
" -[ GASPS .]
-OH, [BLEEP.]
! DID THAT THING JUST SAY "YES?" WHAT WAS THAT? KOTEK! -KOTEK.
100%! -[ GASPS .]
-OH, [BLEEP.]
! DID THAT THING JUST SAY "YES?" OH! OH.
OH, MY GOD.
KOTEK.
AND IT WAS SILENT.
IT WAS, LIKE, AFTER THE OTHER, AFTER THE OTHER, AFTER THE OTHER.
YES.
[ EXHALES .]
SO WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT THE KOTEK FAMILY? THEY ARE FROM POLAND.
THEY WORKED IN A MACHINE SHOP, BOTH OF THEM.
THEY BOTH RETIRED FROM THERE.
-ARE YOU RECORDING? -YEAH.
MR.
KOTEK? WE THINK WE HEARD YOU TALKING TO US.
IF THAT'S YOU, CAN YOU MAKE A NOISE FOR US IN HERE, MOVE SOMETHING? DO YOU LIKE THE CURRENT OWNERS? LET'S LISTEN.
IT'S SO QUIET NOW.
WHEW.
I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE HOW DIRECT THAT ANSWER WAS.
-WE HAVE GOTTEN NOTHING -NOTHING ON THIS RECORDER.
-ON THAT THING FOR 2 DAYS.
-I KNOW.
NOTHING.
AND IT DOESN'T KNOW WHO JERRY IS.
NO.
NO, IT DOESN'T.
AND IT SOUND -- I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE A MAN.
IT DOES.
THE THING IS, HE DIDN'T PASS AWAY HERE.
BUT HE WAS VERY SECURE FOR A LONG TIME.
I MEAN, HE IMMIGRATED HERE AND BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY.
IT WOULD MAKE PERFECT SENSE IF HE WERE STILL WANTING TO BE HERE BECAUSE THIS WAS HIS HOME.
YEAH.
LET'S GO DOWNSTAIRS.
LET'S GET OUTTA THIS ATTIC.
LET'S FIGURE OU WHAT TO DO NEXT.
THAT EVP IS INSANE.
I KNOW.
THAT'S CRAZY.
WHAT THE [BLEEP.]
? WE WENT THROUGH ALL THE NAMES.
WENT THROUGH ALL THE NAMES AND IT WAS LIKE, "YEP.
THAT'S ME.
" -YES.
YES.
THIS PERSON IS IN THE ATTIC.
BUT IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE HE VENTURES OUT SOMETIMES.
AND THAT'S WHY THEY'VE SEEN A MAN AND A SHADOW FIGURE AND WHY THINGS HAVE MOVED.
NOTHING FROM THE FAMILY.
-NO.
I'M NOT GET -- WE'RE NOT GETTING ANYTHING FROM THE FAMILY.
THERE'S SOMEBODY ELSE.
AND WE NEED TO FIGURE OU WHY.
Bruni: I FEEL LIKE WE WERE JUST STARTING TO GET A RESPONSE FROM THE SPIRI OF THE PREVIOUS HOMEOWNER.
BUT THEN, ALL OF A SUDDEN, HE JUST STOPPED INTERACTING.
AND WE DON'T KNOW WHY.
SO WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THE SPIRIT SOME SPACE.
MR.
KOTEK.
ADAM'S GOING TO LEAVE A RECORDER IN THE ATTIC OVERNIGH TO SEE WHAT IT CAN PICK UP.
MR.
KOTEK, I'M GONNA LEAVE THIS DEVICE HERE ON THIS TABLE.
TALK ALL YOU WAN INTO THIS RECORDER.
YOU CAN TAKE -- [ THUD .]
[ BLEEP .]
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE [BLEEP.]
THAT WAS.
CAN YOU DO THAT AGAIN? MR.
KOTEK, WAS THAT YOU? MR.
KOTEK, YOU CAN TALK INTO THIS IF YOU WANT US TO LEAVE, IF YOU -- ANYTHING ABOUT THE FAMILY, ANYTHING ABOUT YOUR LIFE NOW, IF YOU NEED HELP.
SIR, I BEG YOU TO SPEAK AS LOUD AS YOU CAN INTO THIS.
SO I'M GONNA LEAVE THIS HERE FOR YOU.
I'M GONNA GO AWAY.
YOU CAN TALK ALL YOU WANT, OKAY? Bruni: TODAY, WE'RE TRYING TO HONE IN ON THE PREVIOUS OWNER.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK WITH THOSE EVPs.
SO ADAM IS REVIEWING THE AUDIO FOR ANYTHING WE MIGHT HAVE MISSED WHILE I DO A DIFFERENT KIND OF RESEARCH I UNDER THAT YOU AND YOUR FAMILY USED TO LIVE HERE AT SOME POINT.
AND TALK TO A RELATIVE OF MR.
KOTEK TO LEARN ABOUT HIS LIFE.
SO YOUR PARENTS WERE IMMIGRANTS, THEN, RIGHT? AND DID THEY SPEAK [ THUNDER RUMBLES .]
OOH.
THAT WAS LIGHTNING.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA BELIEVE WHO I TALKED TO.
I SPOKE WITH A RELATIVE OF MR.
KOTEK.
-ON THE PHONE? -ON THE PHONE.
-AWESOME.
-SO HE TOLD ME A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT THE HOUSE.
HE TOLD ME A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT HIS PARENTS.
HE TOLD ME THAT HIS DAD WAS A MASON, LIKE, A MASONRY.
-YEAH.
-LIKE, HE WORKED IN MASONRY.
AND THAT'S WHAT HIS TRADE WAS.
HE WORKED A LOT, BUT HE ALWAYS MADE TIME FOR THEM.
AND THIS WAS THEIR FIRST HOME AND THEIR DREAM HOUSE WHEN THEY STARTED OU IN AMERICA.
-COOL.
-I KNOW.
AND -- OH, -NO WONDER.
-THEY ONLY SPOKE POLISH, WHICH EXPLAINS WHY, LIKE, THE ONLY THING HE COULD SAY TO US WAS HIS NAME.
-HIS NAME.
-AND YES.
-YES.
-YOU KNOW? AND HE PROBABLY COULDN'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING WE WERE ASKING.
TONIGHT, WE'LL TRY TO SPEAK POLISH AND SEE IF WE GET MORE.
YEAH, OR GET SOMEONE WHO CAN SPEAK POLISH.
YEAH.
DID YOU GET ANY EVIDENCE FROM LAST NIGHT? I REVIEWED THAT RECORDER THAT WE PUT UP THERE.
AND I GOT, UH, SOMETHING REALLY WEIRD.
LISTEN TO THIS.
LET ME PULL UP THIS.
LET ME PULL UP AND IT LASTS FOR ABOUT 45 SECONDS.
[ SHUFFLING .]
[ THUNDER RUMBLES .]
Berry: LISTEN HERE.
LET ME PULL UP THIS.
LET ME PULL UP AND IT LASTS FOR ABOUT 45 SECONDS.
[ SHUFFLING .]
[ Gasps .]
ADAM! IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S SOMETHING MOVING AROUND.
IT'S NOT POPS AND CREAKS BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE ITEMS.
AND IT'S NOT, UH, IT'S NOT AN ANIMAL BECAUSE IT WOULD BE, LIKE, RUMMAGING AND RUSTLING.
-OR COMING AND GOING.
-YEAH.
-IT'S WEIRD.
-THAT'S STRANGE.
WEIRD.
-RIGHT.
-IT'S WEIRD.
YOU CAN JUST HEAR HMM.
BUT IT DOESN' HELP US FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS MR.
KOTEK, WHY IS HE HERE? OBJECTS ARE BEING JUST SHUFFLED AROUND.
LIKE, SOMETHING IS BEING, LIKE, MOVED A LITTLE.
OR, LIKE, IT'S -- IT'S BIZARRE.
AND I THINK WE SHOULD PUT A CAMERA UP THERE.
AND I THINK WE SHOULD FOCUS ON THE ATTIC AND TRY TO BRING IN A TRANSLATOR WHO CAN COMMUNICATE WITH THE SPIRIT.
AFTER LAST NIGHT, WE KNEW WE NEEDED TO GET SOMEONE WHO SPEAKS POLISH.
SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY A DIFFERENT TECHNIQUE AND INVESTIGATE WITH A TRANSLATOR.
MARGARE IS A LOCAL POLISH WOMAN WHO OWNS A POLISH RESTAURANT.
SHE SPEAKS POLISH FLUENTLY.
SHE WAS BORN IN POLAND.
SHE GOES BACK REGULARLY.
SHE'S ACTUALLY PERFEC FOR THIS.
-HI.
ADAM.
-HI.
MARGARET.
-NICE TO MEET YOU.
-HI, I'M AMY.
HI, AMY.
I'M MARGARET.
THE PERSON THA WE'RE LOOKING FOR, KOTEK.
SO US TALKING TO HIM I MEAN, IT'S NOT -- IT'S NOT REALLY HELPING.
WHEN THEY CAME HERE, DO YOU KNOW WHERE THEY WORKED? AT THE ATLANTIC MACHINE COMPANY, I BELIEVE.
-ATLANTIC TOOL.
-ATLANTIC TOOL.
THEY WOULDN'T HAVE BECAUSE EVERYBODY SPOKE POLISH THERE, INCLUDING THE OWNER.
BASICALLY, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS IF YOU COULD JUST HELP US ASK SOME QUESTIONS AS WE GO.
SHOULD WE HEAD BACK TO WHERE WE WERE? Berry: YEAH.
LET'S GO BACK THAT WAY.
ALL RIGHT.
THE WAY WE DO EVP SESSIONS IS WE ASK A QUESTION.
AND THEN WE GIVE THEM SOME TIME TO ANSWER BEFORE WE ASK THE NEXT QUESTION.
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE NOW? [ SPEAKING IN POLISH .]
HOW MANY CHILDREN DO YOU HAVE? [ SPEAKING IN POLISH .]
DO YOU WANT TO STAY HERE? [ SPEAKING IN POLISH .]
[ SPEAKING IN POLISH .]
[ SPEAKING IN POLISH .]
WHAT'S THAT? [ SPEAKING IN POLISH .]
TAK.
HE SAID, "TAK" WHICH MEANS "YES" IN POLISH.
WHEW! [ LAUGHS .]
WHY IS HE STILL HERE? -I DON'T KNOW.
THAT'S -- THAT'S THE THING WE DO NOT KNOW.
LET'S ASK HIM MORE QUESTIONS AND FIND OUT.
SEE IF WE CAN GET HIM TO ANSWER.
THAT'S THE SECOND TIME THA THAT'S HAPPENED IN THIS SPOT.
-IN THIS EXACT SPOT.
-WOW.
WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE? [ SPEAKING IN POLISH .]
WHERE DID YOU WORK? [ SPEAKING IN POLISH .]
IS THIS YOUR HOME? [ SPEAKING IN POLISH .]
[ SPEAKING IN POLISH .]
[ SPEAKING IN POLISH .]
THAT WAS SOMETHING.
THAT WAS YEAH.
THAT WAS A LOT OF WORDS.
WHERE DID HE WORK? WHAT WAS IT CALLED? -ATLANTIC TOOL.
-ATLANTIC TOOL? [ SPEAKING IN POLISH .]
-HOW? -ATLANTIC TOOL.
THREE SYLLABLES.
TOOL WITH A T AND AN L.
YOU HEAR IT SO CLEARLY.
[ SPEAKING IN POLISH .]
THAT WAS SOMETHING.
THAT WAS YEAH.
THAT WAS A LOT OF WORDS.
WHERE DID HE WORK? WHAT WAS IT CALLED? -ATLANTIC TOOL.
-ATLANTIC TOOL? [ SPEAKING IN POLISH .]
-HOW? -ATLANTIC TOOL.
THREE SYLLABLES.
TOOL WITH A T AND AN L.
YOU HEAR IT SO CLEARLY.
THAT'S SO GREAT.
THAT IS SO GOOD.
[ LAUGHS .]
-ALL RIGHT.
LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE.
-KEEP GOING.
[ SPEAKING IN POLISH .]
-OH! -WHAT WAS THAT? -THAT WAS -- THAT WAS.
-YEAH.
[ SPEAKING IN POLISH .]
NO.
-NO? THAT WAS A VERY LOUD, "NO!" LOUD.
THAT WAS VIOLENT.
THAT WAS A VIOLENT NO.
NO.
I -- I -- I THINK THAT -- OOH, VERY I -- I -- I'VE GOT, LIKE, ANTS ALL OVER ME.
-CHILL BUMPS.
CHILL BUMPS, -YEAH.
YEAH.
YEAH.
UH, THEY HAVE A SAYING, [SPEAKING POLISH.]
WHICH, UH, "ORDER HAS TO BE.
" -MM-HMM.
-AND I THINK THAT -- THAT THIS JUST REALLY MAKES HIM ANGRY.
OH, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS VERY AND HE SAYS IT'S NOT HIS HOME.
IT WOULDN'T LOOK LIKE THIS.
IT'S NOT HIS HOME.
-MM-HMM.
YEAH.
THAT'S WHY HE'S SO -- HE'S SO ANGRY.
THAT'S -- THAT'S INCREDIBLE.
THAT'S INCREDIBLE.
SO WHEN PEOPLE IMMIGRATED TO THIS COUNTRY, RIGHT? WOULD THIS BE, LIKE, THEIR NEST EGG AND THEIR AMERICAN DREAM AND THEY -OH, THIS WOULD BE -THIS WOULD BE IT.
-THIS WOULD BE IT.
-THEY FOUND THEIR COMMUNITY.
THIS WOULD BE IT.
THIS WOULD BE THEIR ULTIMATE DREAM -MM-HMM.
-TO HAVE THEIR OWN HOME.
AND TO HAVE A HOUSE WHERE YOU HAVE IT'S A MULTI-FAMILY.
THAT WOULD SAY, "THE KIDS ARE GONNA STAY WITH US.
WE'RE GONNA ALL LIVE TOGETHER.
" AND THIS WOULD BE THEIR ULTIMATE AMERICAN DREAM.
YEAH.
BUT THAT'S WHY HE'S HERE.
LIKE, HE MUS BE STAYING HERE BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE HE RAISED HIS FAMILY.
HE CAME ALL THE WAY HERE.
THEY WORKED SO HARD.
THEY BOUGHT THIS HOUSE.
THEY WERE HERE FOR, LIKE, 20 YEARS.
THEY HAD GENERATIONS LIVING HERE.
-YEAH.
-YEAH, YEAH.
I MEAN, THEY ARE -- THEY ARE, LIKE, IN THE PROCESS OF RENOVATING.
BUT MAYBE ENCOURAGING THEM TO, LIKE, CONTINUE AND GET IT OUT.
-YEAH.
-TO CLEAN IT OUT WOULD BE OKAY.
WHAT I'M THINKING IS MAYBE WE CAN, YOU KNOW, THANK HIM SO MUCH FOR THIS, FOR BOTH OF US.
HOW DO YOU SAY "THANK YOU" AGAIN? [ ALL SPEAK IN POLISH .]
THANK YOU.
OH, SO GREAT.
WE GOT A LOT OF INFORMATION.
BRINGING MARGARET WAS, LIKE, THE BEST THING THAT EVER COULD'VE HAPPENED.
-MM-HMM, MM-HMM.
-SHE IS PHENOMENAL.
[ LAUGHS .]
UM, WE DEFINITELY KNOW WHO'S IN THE HOUSE.
I MEAN, WE'VE GOT A NAME.
CAN YOU TELL ME YOUR NAME? -[ GASPS .]
-OH, [BLEEP.]
! -WE'VE GOT WHERE HE WORKS.
-WHERE DID YOU WORK? [ SPEAKING IN POLISH .]
-HOW? -ATLANTIC TOOL! THREE SYLLABLES, TOOL WITH A T AND AN L.
-MM-HMM.
-YOU HEAR IT SO CLEARLY.
IT WAS CLEAR ANSWERS ON A RECORDER WITH A TRANSLATOR -IN POLISH.
-BECAUSE HE DID NOT SPEAK -- YEAH, BECAUSE I MEAN, IT'S -- IT'S -- IT'S CLEAR-CU IN TERMS OF THAT PERSON AND THAT ACTIVITY.
IT SOUNDS LIKE MR.
KOTEK JUST REALLY IS HERE.
AND HE'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE.
-MM-HMM.
HE DOES NOT SOUND LIKE HE'S BUDGING.
I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE HE'S JUST GONNA STAY HERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHY HE'S HERE.
BUT, I MEAN, GENERATIONALLY AND, UH, CULTURALLY, IT SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE.
-YEAH.
-WE HAVE A LOT TO TELL THEM, EVIDENCE-WISE, ABOUT WHY WE THINK WHO'S HERE.
-MM-HMM.
THEY CAN USE THAT SPACE.
THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO FOR THE RENOVATIONS, GET IT DONE.
BUT WE DIDN'T FIND ANYTHING FROM, LIKE, THE FAMILY.
SO ANYTHING RELATING TO THE FAMILY ITSELF.
-NO.
-I AM REALLY CONCERNED.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE GONNA REAC TO I NOT BEING THEIR FATHER.
THIS WAS ACTUALLY A PRETTY INTENSE CASE.
WE CAME IN WITH A PRETTY GOOD IDEA.
AND I THINK YOU HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF WHO YOU THINK IS HERE.
BUT I THINK THAT WHAT WE FOUND IS GONNA REALLY SURPRISE YOU GUYS.
OBVIOUSLY, THE FIRST THING WE WANTED TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF WAS NOAH'S ROOM BECAUSE HE'S THE PERSON WE WERE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT.
SO WHAT WE DISCOVERED WAS IF PEOPLE WALK IN FRONT OF YOUR GARAGE WITH THE LIGHTS ON OUT THERE, IT CASTS A SHADOW RIGHT ACROSS HIS WINDOW.
AND IT LITERALLY LOOKS LIKE A PERSON WALKING.
Berry: MM-HMM.
-Coming back.
-THERE.
RIGHT THERE.
-What, right here? -YEP, RIGHT THERE.
AND HE SAYS IT GOES AWAY WHEN YOU TURN THE LIGHTS ON, WHICH ALSO MAKES ME THINK SHADOW.
SO MAYBE GET HIM ONE OF THOSE NIGHTLIGHTS THAT HAS A PROJECTOR ON THE CEILING OR SOMETHING WITH STARS SO THAT HE'S LOOKING AT THA INSTEAD WHEN HE GOES TO SLEEP, INSTEAD OF LOOKING FOR LIKE SHAPES IN THE ROOM AND EVERYTHING.
-MM-HMM.
YOU KNOW, WHAT WE SAW WASN'T PARANORMAL.
-MM-HMM.
-AND WE WERE ABLE TO EXPLAIN IT.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT GIVES YOU SOME EASE AND COMFORT.
YEAH.
FOR NOAH'S ROOM, YEAH.
-YEAH.
-FEEL A LOT BETTER.
YEAH, I CAN SEE THAT.
SO, UM, THAT NIGHT, WE WERE DOING EVP WORK.
AND WE WERE LISTENING.
WE GOT -- WE GOT NO INFORMATION CONCERNING YOUR FATHER.
HOWEVER, WE DID FIND SOMETHING ON DAY 2 THAT EXPLAINS WHA YOU'VE BEEN EXPERIENCING.
DAY 2, WE WENT REALLY HEAVY ON RESEARCH.
I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO ELSE PASSED AWAY IN THE HOUSE.
THE HOMEOWNER WHO LIVED HERE BEFORE YOUR FAMILY, HE WAS VERY, VERY ILL.
AND THEY MOVED FROM HERE TO ANOTHER LOCATION, AND HE PASSED AWAY 2 MONTHS LATER.
THIS HOUSE WAS THEIR LIFE.
WE FOCUSED ON THEM.
THIS IS OUR FIRST SESSION UP THERE.
DO YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE PREVIOUS HOMEOWNER'S LAST NAME WAS? HIS LAST NAME WAS KOTEK.
LISTEN.
-YEAH.
YEAH.
-RIGHT.
OH, THAT GAVE ME CHILLS.
MM-HMM.
I GET CHILLS EVERY TIME I LISTEN TO IT.
I CAN'T RECALL EVER GETTING SUCH A DIRECT RESPONSE.
AND WE WERE JUST -SHOCKED.
WE FOUND OUT THAT THEY -AT ALL.
-AT ALL.
-OH.
-THEY ONLY SPOKE POLISH.
OKAY.
FOR THEM, THIS RENOVATION WOULD PROBABLY BE HARD TO LOOK AT.
THEY LIKE ORDER, I MEAN, PROBABLY TO THE POIN OF WHAT WE WOULD CALL, LIKE OCD, YOU KNOW? -MM-HMM.
THE STACKED DISHES, FOR INSTANCE WHAT WITH THE SPOON BEING THROWN MIGHT BE AN IRRITABLE THING FOR HIM -YEAH.
-FOR THIS MAN.
AND THE FAC THAT HE GRAVITATED TOWARDS PROBABLY AREAS OF THE HOUSE THAT WERE, LIKE, MORE TOGETHER LIKE THAT -- THAT -- YOUR LIVING ROOM AND -- AND THAT AREA.
HE PROBABLY JUST MADE HIMSELF AT HOME, SAT DOWN, YOU KNOW.
SO IF THAT WAS WHO WAS THERE, OR SHADOW FIGURES YOU'VE BEEN SEEING HE, VERY SIMILAR TO YOUR FATHER, WAS EXTREMELY HARDWORKING.
-MM-HMM.
-HE NEVER STOPPED WORKING.
MY OPINION, I THINK HE APPRECIATES THAT KIND OF THING.
I MEAN, HE COMMUNICATED WITH US.
AND, YOU KNOW, HE'S THERE.
-HE'S YOU KNOW, YOU DEFINITELY DON' HAVE ANYTHING EVIL OR NEGATIVE.
I KNOW YOU WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
THERE'S NOTHING LIKE THA HERE.
I THINK YOU -- YOU JUST HAVE A MAN WHO PUT HIS LIFE'S WORK INTO THIS HOUSE.
THIS WAS THE END RESUL OF EVERYTHING HE WENT THROUGH.
-CORRECT.
-AND HE RAISED HIS FAMILY HERE.
AND I JUST THINK, FOR HIM, THIS IS WHERE HE WANTS TO STAY.
I THINK IT WOULD MAKE SENSE.
YEAH.
WE DON'T THINK YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO WORRY ABOU AT ALL, WHATSOEVER.
SO WE INVITED THE TRANSLATOR TO COME TODAY.
AND WE WERE THINKING MAYBE WE COULD JUS ALL GO UP INTO THE ATTIC FOR A FEW MINUTES.
-MM-HMM.
-AND YOU GUYS -SURE.
-COULD SPEAK WITH HIM.
AND SHE COULD TRANSLATE FOR YOU AND JUST KIND OF LET HIM KNOW YOUR PLANS AND HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT HIM BEING HERE, JUST KIND OF LETTING HIM KNOW THAT YOU KNOW HE'S HERE NOW.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE INCREDIBLE.
I WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT.
-I AGREE.
Bruni: EVEN THOUGH IT WASN'T WHAT THEY EXPECTED, REBEKKA AND SHANNON FINALLY HAVE SOME ANSWERS.
I JUST WANT YOU GUYS TO MEET MARGARET.
MARGARET SPEAK BEAUTIFUL, FLUENT POLISH.
YOU'LL GET TO HEAR IT.
IT'S AMAZING.
UM, IF I HAD ANYTHING THA I WOULD WANT YOU TO TRANSLATE, IT WOULD BE THA HE IS MORE THAN WELCOME TO STAY.
AND THAT, YES, WE WILL BE TAKING CARE OF THIS AS WE RENOVATE.
[ SPEAKING IN POLISH .]
Bruni: HOPEFULLY, MARGARE WILL HELP BRIDGE THE GAP BETWEEN MR.
KOTEK AND THE GIRLS.
[ SPEAKING IN POLISH .]
Berry: [ SPEAKING IN POLISH .]
Bruni: NOW SHANNON AND REBEKKA WILL BE ABLE TO BRING LIFE BACK INTO THOSE EMPTY ROOMS AND MOVE ON.
THEIR FATHER WAS A HARDWORKING MAN WHO LOVED THIS HOUSE.
AND SO WAS MR.
KOTEK.
I'M REALLY HAPPY WE WERE ABLE TO HONOR BOTH OF THEM BY TELLING THIS STORY.
WHAT WAS THAT? THEIR FATHER PASSED AWAY.
I SAW THE BLACK SILHOUETTE OF SOMETHING SITTING.
YOU SAW AN APPARITION SITTING HERE? SOMETHING MOVING IN THE KID'S ROOM? THAT IS THE KID'S ROOM.
HE'S TALKING ABOUT SEEING A SHADOW FIGURE AT NIGHT.
Berry: THE ACTIVITY SCARES HER ENOUGH WHERE SHE IS LITERALLY MOVING OUT.
-[ GASPS .]
-OH, [BLEEP.]
! -- Captions by VITAC -- I'M AMY BRUNI.
AND I'M ADAM BERRY.
WE'VE SPEN A COMBINED 30 YEARS INVESTIGATING THE WORLD'S MOST TERRIFYING HAUNTINGS.
AFTER THOUSANDS OF CASES, WE ARE READY FOR OUR MOST IMPORTANT JOURNEY YET.
[ BOTH GASP .]
RESCUING FAMILIES TERRORIZED BY PARANORMAL ACTIVITY IN THEIR OWN HOMES.
WE UNCOVER THE TRUTH BEHIND THE HAUNTING TO HELP FAMILIES RECLAIM THEIR HOMES THANK YOU SO MUCH.
AND THEIR LIVES.
CAPTIONS PAID FOR BY DISCOVERY COMMUNICATIONS SO THIS CASE IS KIND OF INTERESTING IN THAT IT'S, LIKE, AN OLD TENEMENT HOUSE, YOU KNOW, NEW ENGLAND STYLE WHERE IT'S, LIKE, APARTMENT, APARTMENT, APARTMENT.
IT WAS BUILT IN 1924.
-OKAY.
SO THE ONES WHO CALLED US ARE SHANNON AND REBEKKA.
THEY ARE SISTERS.
THEY'RE ALL RELATED.
BUT, LIKE, BOTTOM FLOOR IS THE GRANDMOTHER.
NEXT UP IS SHANNON, HER SON.
AND THEN THE TOP FLOOR IS REBEKKA AND HER SON.
IT SOUNDS HUGE, THOUGH.
-IT'S REALLY BIG.
-OKAY.
THEIR FATHER PASSED AWAY, LIKE, 13, 14 YEARS AGO.
DID THE FATHER DIE IN THE HOUSE, THOUGH? -NO.
NO.
-NO? THEY SEEM TO THINK A LOT OF THE ACTIVITY IS HIM.
BUT SOME OF IT DOESN' SOUND LIKE IT COULD BE HIM.
THEY'VE HAD THINGS THROWN IN THE HOUSE.
THEY HEAR FOOTSTEPS UPSTAIRS.
THEY ARE SO FRIGHTENED, AT THIS POINT, THAT THEY'RE NOT EVEN GOING INTO CERTAIN ROOMS.
REBEKKA LIVES ON THE TOP UNIT.
AND THERE'S, LIKE, A WHOLE HALF OF THE UNI SHE'S NOT EVEN USING, AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE SHE DOESN' WANNA GO IN THOSE ROOMS.
SHE FEELS UNSAFE.
-THAT'S CRAZY.
-I KNOW.
-THAT'S CRAZY.
THE ACTIVITY SCARES HER ENOUGH WHERE SHE IS LITERALLY MOVING OUT.
AND THEN PLUS THERE'S KIDS INVOLVED.
AND ONE OF THEM IS 5.
HE'S TALKING ABOUT SEEING, LIKE, A SHADOW FIGURE AT NIGH WHEN HE'S IN BED TRYING TO SLEEP.
YOU KNOW, HAS FULL-ON CONVERSATIONS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.
THERE'S THE FOOTSTEPS, THE OBJECTS MOVING, THE SHADOW FIGURES I REALLY WANNA SEE REBEKKA MOVE INTO THE REST OF HER HOUSE.
RIGHT.
OF COURSE.
I REALLY WANNA MAKE SURE THE KID'S OKAY.
YEAH.
AND I'D LIKE TO GIVE THEM SOME ANSWERS AS TO WHO'S THERE.
Berry: YOU KNOW, THIS FAMILY'S REALLY TERRIFIED.
THEY ARE REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE, YOU KNOW, LIVING IN THEIR HOUSE.
Bruni: THAT IS A VERY BIG HOUSE.
Berry: YOU SAID THEY HAVE THREE APARTMENTS IN THERE? THREE INDIVIDUAL APARTMENTS.
THIS BUILDING IS HUGE.
THERE ARE THREE APARTMENTS, THREE DIFFERENT FAMILIES.
-HI.
-HOW ARE YOU? -HI.
I'M REBEKKA.
-I'M AMY.
GOOD TO MEET YOU.
-SHANNON.
NICE TO MEET YOU.
-HI.
-HI, HI.
-HI, SHANNON.
NICE TO MEET YOU.
THANK YOU, GUYS.
Bruni: LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON.
SHALL WE? THE GRANDMOTHER LIVES ON THE FIRST FLOOR, SHANNON ON THE SECOND AND REBEKKA ON THE THIRD.
WE HAVE OUR WORK CUT OUT FOR US BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF GROUND TO COVER AND A LOT OF MONITORING TO DO.
SO THIS HERE'S MY GRANDMOTHER'S HOUSE.
PARDON THE MESS.
WE'RE RENOVATING SOON.
SO WE'RE KINDA BOXING UP AS WE GO.
OH, YEAH.
ALL RIGHT.
SO HOW LONG HAS YOUR GRANDMOTHER LIVED IN THIS AREA? UM, SHE BOUGH THIS HOUSE IN 1982.
SHE'S BEEN HERE SINCE.
SHE'S ALWAYS LIVED ON THIS LEVEL? YES, ALWAYS ON THIS LEVEL, SPECIFICALLY.
AND SO, I MEAN, HAVE YOU HAD ACTIVITY IN HERE? NOTHING EVER REALLY HAPPENS IN HERE.
OKAY.
SO WE'LL PROBABLY FOCUS ON THE UPPER FLOORS.
SO I GUESS WE CAN MOVE ON.
NOW WE'LL GO TO MY APARTMENT.
SO THIS IS MY LIVING ROOM HERE.
HAVE YOU HAD EXPERIENCES IN THIS ROOM? UM, KNOCKING ON THE DOOR THERE, YES A COUPLE TIMES.
-AND SO YOU OPEN I AND THERE'S NOBODY THERE, OBVIOUSLY.
-NEVER.
-ALL RIGHT.
-OKAY.
-ALL RIGHT.
WELL, LET'S GO ON AND HEAD IN HERE.
OKAY.
-THIS IS MY KITCHEN.
-OKAY.
UM, THERE'S BEEN ACTIVITY IN HERE.
I HAVE A SLOTTED SPOON, UH, LIKE WE USE, LIKE, FOR OUR RICE.
AND THE SPOON FLEW OUT OF THE DISH RACK, HIT THE WALL, AND FELL TO THE FLOOR.
THERE WERE DISHES HERE, YEAH? I HAD A COUPLE SAUCE POTS UP ABOUT THIS HIGH OR SO.
-UH-HUH.
-AND I HAD THE SPOON IN HERE.
LIKE, IN BETWEEN THE SAUCE POTS, KINDA? YEAH, IT WAS KINDA, LIKE, STUCK IN THERE, YOU KNOW? YEAH, YEAH.
IT'S JUS AN UNSETTLING FEELING.
BUT THE NOT KNOWING IS WHAT IRKS ME.
-ALL RIGHT.
SO, THE THIRD FLOOR.
-YES.
NOW, WHO LIVES UP HERE? I LIVE UP HERE.
THIS IS MY APARTMENT.
-ALL RIGHT.
AND YOU LIVE HERE WITH YOUR SON? -MY SON.
-OKAY.
SO JUS THE TWO OF YOU UP HERE? -YEP.
-ALL RIGHT.
I NOTICE THERE'S NO FURNITURE.
WHAT'S HAPPENING? -YES, UM THIS ROOM MAKES ME VERY UNCOMFORTABLE.
-THIS ROOM DOES? -YES.
MM-HMM.
-HAS IT ALWAYS? -ALWAYS.
DID SOMETHING HAPPEN UP HERE EVER? THERE WAS A FIGURE SITTING ON A COUCH AGAINST THAT WALL THAT WAS OVER THERE AND THE FOOTSTEPS IN THE ATTIC CONTINUOUSLY.
AND YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE ATTIC? -YES.
-OKAY.
OH, GOOD.
SOUNDS LIKE A JOB FOR ADAM.
AHA, NO.
SO YOU WON'T EVEN GO INTO THIS SPACE, REALLY? NO.
I MEAN, IF I HAVE TO, IF I ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, CLEANING OR SOMETHING, I WILL.
BUT I DON'T CHOOSE TO HANG OUT IN HERE.
I DON'T LIKE TO BE IN HERE.
MAKES ME UNCOMFORTABLE.
THIS WOULD TECHNICALLY BE THE DINING ROOM.
BUT I ALSO DON' LIKE TO BE IN HERE.
MY SON LIKES TO BE IN HERE.
HE PLAYS WITH HIS TABLE AT THIS LITTLE PLUG RIGHT THERE.
SO YOU DON' LIKE THIS ROOM EITHER? I JUST, I -- I CHOOSE NO TO HANG OUT IN THESE ROOMS.
-SO YOU LIVE IN THIS BIG SPACE.
-MM-HMM.
BUT, LIKE, A BIG PORTION OF THE SPACE, YOU WON'T USE.
YEAH.
SO THE THINGS THAT HAVE OCCURRED THAT HAVE MADE YOU FREAK OU ABOUT THIS SPACE IS YOU SAW AN APPARITION.
I SAW THE BLACK SILHOUETTE OF SOMETHING SITTING.
SITTING HERE? -I WALKED THROUGH -I WAS HERE WHEN IT HAPPENED.
AND I GOT TO ABOUT, LIKE, THIS ANGLE.
WAS IT, LIKE COULD YOU TELL FEATURES OR WAS IT JUST A SHADOW? -IT WAS LIKE A SILHOUETTE.
-OKAY.
YEAH, YEAH.
-AND SO, YOU -- DO YOU KNOW WHO THA PERSON WAS OR DO YOU JUST? UM, THE POSITION IT WAS SITTING IN, I WOULD SAY, JUS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, POSSIBLY MY FATHER -YEAH.
BECAUSE THAT'S HOW HE WOULD SIT ON THE COUCH.
-WHAT WAS HIS REAL NAME? -JERRY.
JEROME.
MAYBE HE WANTED ME TO SEE HIM.
I DON'T KNOW.
Rebekka: SO THIS IS NOAH'S ROOM.
HE DOESN'T TYPICALLY LIKE TO BE IN HERE.
HE'D RATHER BE IN THE MIDDLE ROOM.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BECAUSE HE'S MORE AFRAID OF THIS ROOM THAN THAT ROOM.
-MM-HMM.
-HE DOES WAKE UP AT NIGH AND TELLS ME THAT HE SEES SHADOWS IN HIS ROOM A LOT.
I TRY TO TELL HIM, YOU KNOW, TRY TO MAKE -- BECAUSE HE'S LITTLE, I TRY TO MAKE HIM FEEL BETTER.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT TRUE.
IT'S NOT REAL, YOU KNOW.
BUT HE'S STILL -- HE'S VERY ADAMAN ON THAT HE SEES STUFF IN THIS ROOM ALL THE TIME.
HE HAS SAT IN HERE AND TALKED.
SHE'S HEARD HIM DOWNSTAIRS.
SHE'S CALLED ME AND LET ME KNOW.
SO YOU HEAR HIM TALKING AT NIGH IN HERE BY HIMSELF.
-MM-HMM.
WELL, THEY -- THEY HEAR I AND THEN THEY CALL ME BECAUSE HER ROOM IS RIGHT BELOW HIS ROOM.
AND THEY'LL HEAR HIM WALKING AROUND AND TALKING.
AND WHEN HE'S TALKING, DOES HE SOUND AGITATED? DOES HE SOUND -HE SOUNDS CURIOUS.
-HAPPY OR JUST TALKING? HE SOUNDS LIKE HE'S TALKING TO ANOTHER CHILD.
WHERE DOES HE SAY THAT, UH, HE SEES THE MAN? OR DOES HE EVER -- DID HE EVER TALK ABOU A SPECIFIC LOCATION? I'VE ASKED HIM BEFORE.
AND HE TELLS ME THEY'RE MOST AGAINST, LIKE, THIS AREA, THIS WALL.
HOW -- HOW MANY TIMES HAS THAT HAPPENED? -FOUR OR FIVE.
-DO YOU MENTION, LIKE, GHOSTS AROUND HIM AT ALL OR ANYTHING? NO, HE'S NEVER EVEN WATCHED, LIKE, A SCARY MOVIE.
YEAH.
OKAY.
SO HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THEY COULD BE OTHER THAN WHAT HE'S THINKING OF IN HIS MIND.
THE MOST HE'S HEARD ABOUT GHOSTS IS THAT YOU GUYS ARE COMING TO THE HOUSE TO YOU THINK HE'S SCARED? I MEAN, IS HE SCARED TO BE IN THE HOUSE? OH, YEAH.
HE WON'T STAY IN HERE ALONE AT NIGHT.
Bruni: EVERY KID SHOULD FEEL SAFE IN THEIR OWN ROOM.
I'M A MOTHER MYSELF.
SO TALKING TO CHILDREN IS PART OF MY DAILY LIFE.
SO I'M GONNA SIT DOWN WITH NOAH AND SEE IF WE CAN GE TO THE BOTTOM OF WHAT HE'S SEEING IN HIS ROOM.
I GOT SOMETHING FOR YOU.
-WHAT IS IT? WHAT IF WE PLAY DINOSAURS? I DON'T REALLY LIKE DINOSAURS.
OH, NO! ALL RIGHT.
BYE.
SEE YOU LATER.
BUT DON'T WORRY.
I DO KIND OF LIKE DINOSAURS.
WILL YOU PLAY WITH THEM WITH ME? OH, DINOSAURS.
WHAT'S THIS ONE? UH, IT'S A T.
REX.
T.
REX.
HE'S THE SCARIEST ONE, HUH? YEAH.
I'M NOT SCARED OF HIM.
-YOU'RE NOT SCARED OF HIM? ARE YOU SCARED OF ANYTHING? -NO.
BUT YOU'RE NEVER SCARED IN THIS ROOM? IS THIS YOUR -- THIS IS YOUR FAVORITE ROOM TO PLAY IN? YES.
DO YOU LIKE SLEEPING IN YOUR ROOM? COULD WE GET BACK TO PLAYING DINOSAURS? OH, YES.
WE CAN.
SORRY.
HAVE YOU EVER SEEN ANYTHING WEIRD IN YOUR ROOM? -UM, SOMETIMES.
-WHAT? SHADOWS.
SHADOWS? SO DO YOU EVER TRY TO TALK TO THE SHADOWS? -YES.
-AND WHAT DO YOU SAY? I SAY, "GET AWAY FROM ME!" YOU JUST TELL THEM TO GO AWAY, THOUGH, AND THEY GO AWAY? NOT THE SCARY ONES.
THE SCARY ONES, THEY NEVER, EVER GO AWAY.
IF I SEE ANY SHADOW PEOPLE, I'M GONNA TELL 'EM, "THIS IS NOAH'S ROOM.
AND YOU GUYS SHOULD PROBABLY LET HIM SLEEP.
" TALKING TO NOAH REALLY HEIGHTENED THE URGENCY OF THIS INVESTIGATION.
WE HAVE TO FIGURE OU WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THESE SHADOWS IN HIS ROOM.
NOAH'S SAFETY IS OUR FIRST PRIORITY.
IS THAT CAMERA UP? -Yes.
-OKAY.
THIS IS AMY AND ADAM IN THE THIRD-FLOOR APARTMEN IN NEW BRITAIN, CONNECTICUT, NIGHT ONE.
YOU SAW US IN HERE EARLIER.
WE WERE INTRODUCED BY SHANNON AND REBEKKA.
MY NAME IS AMY.
MY NAME IS ADAM.
AND THEY'VE ASKED US TO GET IN CONTACT WITH YOU, WHOEVER IS HERE.
WE'RE GONNA START WITH WHO THEY THINK IS HERE.
AND THAT WOULD BE SOMEONE NAMED JER, OR JERRY.
THESE GIRLS LOVED YOU VERY MUCH.
AND THEY WERE SURPRISED BY YOUR DEATH.
IT SEEMED TO COME AS A SHOCK TO THEM.
JER, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANNA SAY TO YOUR GIRLS? ALL RIGHT.
LET'S LISTEN.
YOU SAW US IN HERE EARLIER.
WE WERE INTRODUCED BY SHANNON AND REBEKKA.
MY NAME IS AMY.
MY NAME IS ADAM.
AND THEY'VE ASKED US, WHOEVER IS HERE, PARTICULARLY, WE WANNA STAR WITH SOME PEOPLE WHO THEY THINK IS HERE.
IS THAT A CAT? I DON'T KNOW.
THERE'S SOMETHING MOVING IN THE WINDOW, RIGHT? THERE'S SOMETHING MOVING IN THE WINDOW IN THE KID'S ROOM.
-THAT IS THE KID'S ROOM.
-THAT'S IN THE KID'S ROOM? -THAT IS THE KID'S ROOM.
Berry: I STILL SEE IT.
Bruni: YOU DO? YEAH, IT'S IN THE CORNER.
IT MOVED.
LOOK, IT'S RIGHT HERE.
RIGHT HERE, RIGHT HERE, RIGHT HERE.
I MEAN, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE ROOM.
BUT I SEE I ON THE CAMERA.
Bruni: CAN YOU SEE IT STILL? YEAH.
IT'S IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER.
I JUST SAW IT.
OKAY, I'M GONNA GO TO THIS SIDE SO I CAN SEE.
AND YOU CAN SEE RIGHT DOWN TO THE GARAGE FROM HERE.
IF IT WERE DOWN THERE, IT WAS THIS TALL.
BUT IT HAS TO BE, LIKE, AS TALL AS THE GARAGE, RIGHT? THAT'S WHERE NOAH SAYS HE SEES A SHADOW FIGURE.
-I KNOW.
-I'M CONCERNED FOR NOAH.
WHAT IF IT'S SOMETHING OUTSIDE CASTING A SHADOW UP HERE? IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S NATURALLY OCCURRING, WE NEED TO FIND OUT.
YOU KNOW WHAT? I'M GONNA GO DOWN THERE AND WALK AROUND.
ALL RIGHT.
LET ME GO DOWN.
-Check, check.
-CHECK GOOD.
OKAY, WALK IN FRON OF THE GARAGE.
I'M WALKING.
WALK AROUND THAT AREA TO THE RIGHT OF THE VAN.
I'm going to the garage door.
COMING BACK.
THERE, RIGHT THERE.
THAT WAS IT.
IT'S PEOPLE.
-GREAT.
RIGHT HERE? -YEP.
OH, I'M ACTUALLY KINDA RELIEVED.
ANY TIME ANYONE WALKS IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE, IT SHOWED UP ON OUR CAMERA AS A SHADOW FIGURE.
KIND OF A LETDOWN BUT NOT BECAUSE, UH, I DIDN'T REALLY WANNA THINK OF A -- A SHADOW THING LOOKING IN NOAH'S WINDOW AT NIGHT.
EVEN THOUGH WE FIGURED OU THE SHADOWS, THERE'S STILL A LOT OF OTHER THINGS GOING ON IN THIS HOUSE.
SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFEREN IN NOAH'S ROOM.
WE ARE GOING TO SET UP THREE FLASHLIGHTS.
AND WE'RE GONNA SEE IF WE CAN GET SOMETHING TO TURN THE FLASHLIGHTS OFF AND ON.
SINCE WHATEVER'S HERE SEEMS TO LIKE TO MANIPULATE OBJECTS AND THROW THINGS AND STUFF, IT MIGHT RESPOND TO TRYING TO TURN THESE FLASHLIGHTS ON AND OFF.
IT SEEMS SIMPLE.
BUT THEN ONCE THEY ACTUALLY WORK, WE CAN ASSIGN A "YES" FLASHLIGHT, A "NO" FLASHLIGHT, AN "I DON'T KNOW" FLASHLIGHT, AND WE CAN HAVE ACTUAL CONVERSATIONS WITH THESE THINGS.
ALL RIGHT.
SO WHOEVER'S IN HERE WITH US, I JUST SET OU SOME FLASHLIGHTS ON THAT DESK.
IF YOU TRY AND TWI -- OKAY.
OKAY.
IF YOU TWIST THE TOP OF THEM, IT TURNS ON, JUST LIKE THAT.
IF THAT'S YOU, CAN YOU TURN THAT ONE BACK OFF? I JUST NEED YOU TO TWIST I THE OTHER DIRECTION UNTIL IT TURNS ALL THE WAY OFF.
JUST GIVE I A GOOD TWIST.
KEEP GOING UNTIL IT TURNS OFF.
VERY GOOD.
-THANK YOU.
SO YOU TURNED ON THE RED ONE.
CAN YOU TURN ON EITHER THE BLUE OR THE BLACK FLASHLIGHT? EITHER ONE IS FINE.
IF YOU DO I WHEN WE ASK YOU TO DO I AND THE COLORS THAT WE ASK, WE CAN MAKE ONE YES, ONE NO, AND ONE I DON'T KNOW.
BUT WE JUST NEED YOU TO TURN THEM ON WHEN WE ASK.
SO EITHER THE BLUE OR THE BLACK ONE.
I KNOW IT'S REALLY HARD AND IT TAKES A LOT OF ENERGY, BUT DO WHATEVER YOU CAN AND TWIST THE END OF THAT FLASHLIGHT FOR US.
THE BLUE ONE OR THE BLACK ONE.
MAN, WE ARE, LIKE, STRIKIN' OUT HERE TONIGHT.
I KNOW.
I AM NOT READY TO -- TO SAY THAT IS PARANORMAL.
THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON HERE.
AND I FEEL LIKE THERE'S SOMETHING WE'RE MISSING.
LET'S DO AN EVP SESSION IN HERE.
THIS IS AMY AND ADAM.
WE ARE IN NOAH'S ROOM.
IS THERE SOMEONE IN HERE WITH US? DO YOU KNOW NOAH? DO YOU STAY IN THIS ROOM, OR DO YOU MOVE THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE HOUSE? DO YOU KNOW WHO JERRY IS? IS NOAH YOUR FRIEND? DO YOU TALK TO NOAH AT NIGHT? "NO.
" -YEAH.
"NO," RIGHT? "NO.
" THAT ONE THING -IT IS NO.
DO YOU KNOW JERRY? "NO.
" -DO YOU KNOW JERRY? "NO.
" WE'RE NOT GETTING ANYTHING ELSE.
I DON'T KNOW.
I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO THERE'S SOMETHING WE'RE MISSING.
MAYBE WE'RE JUST TALKING TO THE WRONG PEOPLE.
MAYBE IT'S NO WHO THEY THINK IT IS.
WE KNOW THEIR EXPERIENCES.
WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM.
WE KNOW THEIR NAMES AND STUFF.
YEAH.
I THINK WE NEED TO FIND OU MORE ABOUT THIS HOUSE, MORE ABOUT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, MORE ABOU WHAT HAPPENED HERE BEFORE, EVERYTHING WE CAN, BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON HERE.
AND WE NEED MORE INFO ON JERRY BECAUSE HE'S NOT TALKING.
YEAH.
Bruni: AFTER WHAT WE EXPERIENCED LAST NIGHT, WE'RE REALLY GONNA SHIF OUR FOCUS FROM LOOKING FOR THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS TO LOOKING AT SOME FORMER OWNERS OF THE HOUSE.
KOTEK FAMILY.
MEANWHILE, ADAM'S GOING TO SI DOWN WITH ISAIAH, SHANNON'S SON, AND JUST TRY TO GE MORE INFORMATION FROM THEM, GET MORE INTO THE NITTY-GRITTY OF WHAT THE HOUSE HAS BEEN LIKE, THEIR HISTORY, WHAT THEY'VE EXPERIENCED.
AND THAT'S HOW WE FIND OUT A LO MORE INFORMATION SOMETIMES.
-HOW ARE YOU, MAN? -GOOD.
I JUST WANTED TO CHAT WITH YOU FOR A MINUTE.
I JUST WANTED TO KNOW FROM YOU KIND OF WHAT THE ACTIVITY YOU'VE EXPERIENCED IN THE HOUSE.
DO YOU EVER FEEL THREATENED? DO YOU EVER FEEL UNSAFE BY THE THINGS THAT ARE HERE? I ONLY EVER FEEL UNSAFE IN THE ATTIC.
I SAW AN APPARITION OF A MAN FIGURE.
IT WAS JUST A DARK SHADOW.
-IN THE ATTIC? -YEAH.
I BELIEVED IT TO BE MALE BECAUSE OF THE BROAD SHOULDERS.
-UH-HUH.
-AND I EXCLAIMED, YOU KNOW, "THE MAN! THE MAN! THERE'S A MAN!" AND IT WAS QUITE TERRIFYING.
I WAS SCREAMING BLOODY MURDER.
IF THERE IS SOMEBODY HERE AND YOU WERE TO KNOW WHO THE PERSON WAS, WHO DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE? IT WOULD BE MY GRANDFATHER, JEROME.
OKAY.
SO YOU THINK HE KIND OF LIVES -- INHABITS THAT SPACE? MM-HMM.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING OF YOUR DAD'S IN THE HOUSE STILL, ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA HELP US IN TERMS OF TALKING TO HIM DURING THE INVESTIGATION? THIS IS MY VERY FIRST BIBLE, GIVEN TO ME BY HIM.
-WHO IS THIS? -THIS IS, UH, THE LAST PICTURE THAT I HAVE OF MY FATHER.
-OH, OKAY.
IT WAS THE LAST CHRISTMAS WE HAD TOGETHER.
HE WAS A REALLY AWESOME GUY.
HE WAS A VERY FRIENDLY MAN -MM-HMM.
-A VERY HONEST-WORKING GUY.
I'M KINDA LIKE MY FATHER WITH, LIKE, A STRONG MENTALITY WHERE I CAN TAKE CARE OF EVERYONE.
THAT WAS MY DAD.
HE TOOK CARE OF EVERYONE.
WHILE I WAS A CHI -- VERY SMALL CHILD, UM, HE WAS A BAPTIST PREACHER.
-REALLY? -MM-HMM.
-SO HE WAS RELIGIOUS? -YES, VERY.
WHAT IS THERE TO BE NERVOUS ABOUT WHEN THE ACTIVITY HAPPENS? AND WHAT -- WHAT IS THERE TO BE NERVOUS ABOUT, LIKE -- LIKE YOUR SISTER NOT UTILIZING THAT SPACE? LIKE, WHY THE NERVES IF YOU THINK IT'S -- IF HE'S HERE PROTECTING? WELL, THAT'S JUS MY THEORY ON IT.
SHE THINKS DIFFERENTLY.
-WHAT DOES SHE THINK? SHE'S JUST AFRAID OF THE UNKNOWN IN GENERAL.
SHE DOESN'T THINK IT'S YOUR DAD.
SHE DOESN'T KNOW.
SHE DOESN' KNOW IF IT'S MY FATHER.
SHE DOESN'T KNOW IF IT'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S WATCHING.
Bruni: HELLO, MR.
BERRY.
I'VE GOT A TON OF TRIGGER OBJECTS THAT WE CAN USE TO TALK TO JERRY.
THIS IS THE FIRST BIBLE THAT SHE EVER GO WITH PICTURES OF HER DAD.
THIS IS HER, LIKE, OLDER KID BIBLE THAT SHE GOT FROM HER DAD.
-OKAY.
-I'M GLAD SHE GAVE IT TO US.
I MEAN, WE CAN USE THEM AS OBJECTS IN CASE HE RECOGNIZES THEM.
-RIGHT.
-MAYBE HE WILL SAY SOMETHING.
-I LEARNED A LOT TODAY.
I'M BASICALLY THE NEW TOWN HISTORIAN FOR NEW BRITAIN, CONNECTICUT.
-[ LAUGHS .]
-SO -AMAZING.
THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1924, WHICH WE KNEW.
-YEAH.
-WHAT WE DIDN'T KNOW WAS THAT THERE ARE TWO DEATHS ASSOCIATED WITH THE HOUSE.
ONE WAS A PREVIOUS OWNER.
HE HAD A MASSIVE HEART ATTACK IN THIS HOUSE MM-HMM.
AND, UH, THEN WAS TRANSPORTED TO THE HOSPITAL AND PASSED AWAY A DAY OR TWO LATER.
AND THEN THE KOTEK FAMILY BOUGHT THE HOUSE IN THE '60s.
NOW, THE KOTEKS, THEY CAME OVER IN 1956 OR 1957 FROM POLAND.
-MM-HMM.
-HE WAS VERY, VERY SICK.
WHAT I FOUND IS THAT THEY SOLD THIS HOUSE.
AND THEN 2 MONTHS LATER, HE DIED.
THAT'S INTERESTING.
SO EVEN THOUGH HE DIDN'T DIE HERE, HE COULD STILL REALLY BE CONNECTED TO THE HOUSE.
OKAY.
THERE'S SO MUCH TO PROCESS.
I JUST FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A LO OF INFORMATION THAT WE CAN USE.
SO HOPEFULLY USING THAT, IN ADDITION TO EVERYTHING WE GOT FROM THE FAMILY TODAY WE HAVE A LOT OF AMMUNITION.
SO LET'S TAKE IT.
-ALL RIGHT.
-LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
AND LET'S MAKE SURE THESE KIDS ARE SAFE.
Bruni: TONIGHT, WE'RE EXPLORING ALL THE POSSIBILITIES OF WHO COULD BE HAUNTING THIS FAMILY.
SINCE THEY BROUGH THIS STUFF OUT FOR US, LET'S PUT A REM POD NEXT TO IT.
-YEAH, FOR SURE.
AND THAT WAY, IF ANYTHING COMES NEAR IT, IT WILL GO OFF.
-YEAH.
WE'RE USING THE FATHER'S BELONGINGS TO SEE IF THAT CAN TRIGGER ANY RESPONSES.
AND SINCE THE FAMILY HAS REPORTED UNEXPLAINED NOISES AND APPARITIONS IN THE ATTIC, WE'RE GONNA START THERE.
THIS IS INTERESTING.
-WHAT? SOME STUFF THAT WAS JERRY'S, LOTS OF PHOTOS.
LET'S PUT THIS BACK.
I'M GONNA DO AN EVP SESSION UP HERE.
Berry: OKAY.
THIS IS AMY AND ADAM.
WE ARE IN THE ATTIC.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THIS ROOM WITH US? WHOEVER YOU ARE, CAN YOU TELL ME YOUR NAME? WE ARE LOOKING FOR ANYONE WHO LIVED IN THIS HOUSE.
IS YOUR NAME JERRY OR JER? ARE YOU MR.
KOTEK? DID YOU IMMIGRATE TO THE UNITED STATES? WHAT WAS THAT? KOPEK -- KOTEK.
NO, NO, NO.
WHAT? KOTEK! -KOTEK.
100%! GO BACK AGAIN.
GO BACK AGAIN.
GO BACK AGAIN.
I WANNA HEAR IT AGAIN.
IT'S, LIKE, "KOTEK.
" -[ GASPS .]
-OH, [BLEEP.]
! DID THAT THING JUST SAY "YES?" WHAT WAS THAT? KOTEK! -KOTEK.
100%! -[ GASPS .]
-OH, [BLEEP.]
! DID THAT THING JUST SAY "YES?" OH! OH.
OH, MY GOD.
KOTEK.
AND IT WAS SILENT.
IT WAS, LIKE, AFTER THE OTHER, AFTER THE OTHER, AFTER THE OTHER.
YES.
[ EXHALES .]
SO WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT THE KOTEK FAMILY? THEY ARE FROM POLAND.
THEY WORKED IN A MACHINE SHOP, BOTH OF THEM.
THEY BOTH RETIRED FROM THERE.
-ARE YOU RECORDING? -YEAH.
MR.
KOTEK? WE THINK WE HEARD YOU TALKING TO US.
IF THAT'S YOU, CAN YOU MAKE A NOISE FOR US IN HERE, MOVE SOMETHING? DO YOU LIKE THE CURRENT OWNERS? LET'S LISTEN.
IT'S SO QUIET NOW.
WHEW.
I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE HOW DIRECT THAT ANSWER WAS.
-WE HAVE GOTTEN NOTHING -NOTHING ON THIS RECORDER.
-ON THAT THING FOR 2 DAYS.
-I KNOW.
NOTHING.
AND IT DOESN'T KNOW WHO JERRY IS.
NO.
NO, IT DOESN'T.
AND IT SOUND -- I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE A MAN.
IT DOES.
THE THING IS, HE DIDN'T PASS AWAY HERE.
BUT HE WAS VERY SECURE FOR A LONG TIME.
I MEAN, HE IMMIGRATED HERE AND BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY.
IT WOULD MAKE PERFECT SENSE IF HE WERE STILL WANTING TO BE HERE BECAUSE THIS WAS HIS HOME.
YEAH.
LET'S GO DOWNSTAIRS.
LET'S GET OUTTA THIS ATTIC.
LET'S FIGURE OU WHAT TO DO NEXT.
THAT EVP IS INSANE.
I KNOW.
THAT'S CRAZY.
WHAT THE [BLEEP.]
? WE WENT THROUGH ALL THE NAMES.
WENT THROUGH ALL THE NAMES AND IT WAS LIKE, "YEP.
THAT'S ME.
" -YES.
YES.
THIS PERSON IS IN THE ATTIC.
BUT IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE HE VENTURES OUT SOMETIMES.
AND THAT'S WHY THEY'VE SEEN A MAN AND A SHADOW FIGURE AND WHY THINGS HAVE MOVED.
NOTHING FROM THE FAMILY.
-NO.
I'M NOT GET -- WE'RE NOT GETTING ANYTHING FROM THE FAMILY.
THERE'S SOMEBODY ELSE.
AND WE NEED TO FIGURE OU WHY.
Bruni: I FEEL LIKE WE WERE JUST STARTING TO GET A RESPONSE FROM THE SPIRI OF THE PREVIOUS HOMEOWNER.
BUT THEN, ALL OF A SUDDEN, HE JUST STOPPED INTERACTING.
AND WE DON'T KNOW WHY.
SO WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THE SPIRIT SOME SPACE.
MR.
KOTEK.
ADAM'S GOING TO LEAVE A RECORDER IN THE ATTIC OVERNIGH TO SEE WHAT IT CAN PICK UP.
MR.
KOTEK, I'M GONNA LEAVE THIS DEVICE HERE ON THIS TABLE.
TALK ALL YOU WAN INTO THIS RECORDER.
YOU CAN TAKE -- [ THUD .]
[ BLEEP .]
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE [BLEEP.]
THAT WAS.
CAN YOU DO THAT AGAIN? MR.
KOTEK, WAS THAT YOU? MR.
KOTEK, YOU CAN TALK INTO THIS IF YOU WANT US TO LEAVE, IF YOU -- ANYTHING ABOUT THE FAMILY, ANYTHING ABOUT YOUR LIFE NOW, IF YOU NEED HELP.
SIR, I BEG YOU TO SPEAK AS LOUD AS YOU CAN INTO THIS.
SO I'M GONNA LEAVE THIS HERE FOR YOU.
I'M GONNA GO AWAY.
YOU CAN TALK ALL YOU WANT, OKAY? Bruni: TODAY, WE'RE TRYING TO HONE IN ON THE PREVIOUS OWNER.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK WITH THOSE EVPs.
SO ADAM IS REVIEWING THE AUDIO FOR ANYTHING WE MIGHT HAVE MISSED WHILE I DO A DIFFERENT KIND OF RESEARCH I UNDER THAT YOU AND YOUR FAMILY USED TO LIVE HERE AT SOME POINT.
AND TALK TO A RELATIVE OF MR.
KOTEK TO LEARN ABOUT HIS LIFE.
SO YOUR PARENTS WERE IMMIGRANTS, THEN, RIGHT? AND DID THEY SPEAK [ THUNDER RUMBLES .]
OOH.
THAT WAS LIGHTNING.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA BELIEVE WHO I TALKED TO.
I SPOKE WITH A RELATIVE OF MR.
KOTEK.
-ON THE PHONE? -ON THE PHONE.
-AWESOME.
-SO HE TOLD ME A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT THE HOUSE.
HE TOLD ME A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT HIS PARENTS.
HE TOLD ME THAT HIS DAD WAS A MASON, LIKE, A MASONRY.
-YEAH.
-LIKE, HE WORKED IN MASONRY.
AND THAT'S WHAT HIS TRADE WAS.
HE WORKED A LOT, BUT HE ALWAYS MADE TIME FOR THEM.
AND THIS WAS THEIR FIRST HOME AND THEIR DREAM HOUSE WHEN THEY STARTED OU IN AMERICA.
-COOL.
-I KNOW.
AND -- OH, -NO WONDER.
-THEY ONLY SPOKE POLISH, WHICH EXPLAINS WHY, LIKE, THE ONLY THING HE COULD SAY TO US WAS HIS NAME.
-HIS NAME.
-AND YES.
-YES.
-YOU KNOW? AND HE PROBABLY COULDN'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING WE WERE ASKING.
TONIGHT, WE'LL TRY TO SPEAK POLISH AND SEE IF WE GET MORE.
YEAH, OR GET SOMEONE WHO CAN SPEAK POLISH.
YEAH.
DID YOU GET ANY EVIDENCE FROM LAST NIGHT? I REVIEWED THAT RECORDER THAT WE PUT UP THERE.
AND I GOT, UH, SOMETHING REALLY WEIRD.
LISTEN TO THIS.
LET ME PULL UP THIS.
LET ME PULL UP AND IT LASTS FOR ABOUT 45 SECONDS.
[ SHUFFLING .]
[ THUNDER RUMBLES .]
Berry: LISTEN HERE.
LET ME PULL UP THIS.
LET ME PULL UP AND IT LASTS FOR ABOUT 45 SECONDS.
[ SHUFFLING .]
[ Gasps .]
ADAM! IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S SOMETHING MOVING AROUND.
IT'S NOT POPS AND CREAKS BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE ITEMS.
AND IT'S NOT, UH, IT'S NOT AN ANIMAL BECAUSE IT WOULD BE, LIKE, RUMMAGING AND RUSTLING.
-OR COMING AND GOING.
-YEAH.
-IT'S WEIRD.
-THAT'S STRANGE.
WEIRD.
-RIGHT.
-IT'S WEIRD.
YOU CAN JUST HEAR HMM.
BUT IT DOESN' HELP US FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS MR.
KOTEK, WHY IS HE HERE? OBJECTS ARE BEING JUST SHUFFLED AROUND.
LIKE, SOMETHING IS BEING, LIKE, MOVED A LITTLE.
OR, LIKE, IT'S -- IT'S BIZARRE.
AND I THINK WE SHOULD PUT A CAMERA UP THERE.
AND I THINK WE SHOULD FOCUS ON THE ATTIC AND TRY TO BRING IN A TRANSLATOR WHO CAN COMMUNICATE WITH THE SPIRIT.
AFTER LAST NIGHT, WE KNEW WE NEEDED TO GET SOMEONE WHO SPEAKS POLISH.
SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY A DIFFERENT TECHNIQUE AND INVESTIGATE WITH A TRANSLATOR.
MARGARE IS A LOCAL POLISH WOMAN WHO OWNS A POLISH RESTAURANT.
SHE SPEAKS POLISH FLUENTLY.
SHE WAS BORN IN POLAND.
SHE GOES BACK REGULARLY.
SHE'S ACTUALLY PERFEC FOR THIS.
-HI.
ADAM.
-HI.
MARGARET.
-NICE TO MEET YOU.
-HI, I'M AMY.
HI, AMY.
I'M MARGARET.
THE PERSON THA WE'RE LOOKING FOR, KOTEK.
SO US TALKING TO HIM I MEAN, IT'S NOT -- IT'S NOT REALLY HELPING.
WHEN THEY CAME HERE, DO YOU KNOW WHERE THEY WORKED? AT THE ATLANTIC MACHINE COMPANY, I BELIEVE.
-ATLANTIC TOOL.
-ATLANTIC TOOL.
THEY WOULDN'T HAVE BECAUSE EVERYBODY SPOKE POLISH THERE, INCLUDING THE OWNER.
BASICALLY, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS IF YOU COULD JUST HELP US ASK SOME QUESTIONS AS WE GO.
SHOULD WE HEAD BACK TO WHERE WE WERE? Berry: YEAH.
LET'S GO BACK THAT WAY.
ALL RIGHT.
THE WAY WE DO EVP SESSIONS IS WE ASK A QUESTION.
AND THEN WE GIVE THEM SOME TIME TO ANSWER BEFORE WE ASK THE NEXT QUESTION.
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE NOW? [ SPEAKING IN POLISH .]
HOW MANY CHILDREN DO YOU HAVE? [ SPEAKING IN POLISH .]
DO YOU WANT TO STAY HERE? [ SPEAKING IN POLISH .]
[ SPEAKING IN POLISH .]
[ SPEAKING IN POLISH .]
WHAT'S THAT? [ SPEAKING IN POLISH .]
TAK.
HE SAID, "TAK" WHICH MEANS "YES" IN POLISH.
WHEW! [ LAUGHS .]
WHY IS HE STILL HERE? -I DON'T KNOW.
THAT'S -- THAT'S THE THING WE DO NOT KNOW.
LET'S ASK HIM MORE QUESTIONS AND FIND OUT.
SEE IF WE CAN GET HIM TO ANSWER.
THAT'S THE SECOND TIME THA THAT'S HAPPENED IN THIS SPOT.
-IN THIS EXACT SPOT.
-WOW.
WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE? [ SPEAKING IN POLISH .]
WHERE DID YOU WORK? [ SPEAKING IN POLISH .]
IS THIS YOUR HOME? [ SPEAKING IN POLISH .]
[ SPEAKING IN POLISH .]
[ SPEAKING IN POLISH .]
THAT WAS SOMETHING.
THAT WAS YEAH.
THAT WAS A LOT OF WORDS.
WHERE DID HE WORK? WHAT WAS IT CALLED? -ATLANTIC TOOL.
-ATLANTIC TOOL? [ SPEAKING IN POLISH .]
-HOW? -ATLANTIC TOOL.
THREE SYLLABLES.
TOOL WITH A T AND AN L.
YOU HEAR IT SO CLEARLY.
[ SPEAKING IN POLISH .]
THAT WAS SOMETHING.
THAT WAS YEAH.
THAT WAS A LOT OF WORDS.
WHERE DID HE WORK? WHAT WAS IT CALLED? -ATLANTIC TOOL.
-ATLANTIC TOOL? [ SPEAKING IN POLISH .]
-HOW? -ATLANTIC TOOL.
THREE SYLLABLES.
TOOL WITH A T AND AN L.
YOU HEAR IT SO CLEARLY.
THAT'S SO GREAT.
THAT IS SO GOOD.
[ LAUGHS .]
-ALL RIGHT.
LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE.
-KEEP GOING.
[ SPEAKING IN POLISH .]
-OH! -WHAT WAS THAT? -THAT WAS -- THAT WAS.
-YEAH.
[ SPEAKING IN POLISH .]
NO.
-NO? THAT WAS A VERY LOUD, "NO!" LOUD.
THAT WAS VIOLENT.
THAT WAS A VIOLENT NO.
NO.
I -- I -- I THINK THAT -- OOH, VERY I -- I -- I'VE GOT, LIKE, ANTS ALL OVER ME.
-CHILL BUMPS.
CHILL BUMPS, -YEAH.
YEAH.
YEAH.
UH, THEY HAVE A SAYING, [SPEAKING POLISH.]
WHICH, UH, "ORDER HAS TO BE.
" -MM-HMM.
-AND I THINK THAT -- THAT THIS JUST REALLY MAKES HIM ANGRY.
OH, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS VERY AND HE SAYS IT'S NOT HIS HOME.
IT WOULDN'T LOOK LIKE THIS.
IT'S NOT HIS HOME.
-MM-HMM.
YEAH.
THAT'S WHY HE'S SO -- HE'S SO ANGRY.
THAT'S -- THAT'S INCREDIBLE.
THAT'S INCREDIBLE.
SO WHEN PEOPLE IMMIGRATED TO THIS COUNTRY, RIGHT? WOULD THIS BE, LIKE, THEIR NEST EGG AND THEIR AMERICAN DREAM AND THEY -OH, THIS WOULD BE -THIS WOULD BE IT.
-THIS WOULD BE IT.
-THEY FOUND THEIR COMMUNITY.
THIS WOULD BE IT.
THIS WOULD BE THEIR ULTIMATE DREAM -MM-HMM.
-TO HAVE THEIR OWN HOME.
AND TO HAVE A HOUSE WHERE YOU HAVE IT'S A MULTI-FAMILY.
THAT WOULD SAY, "THE KIDS ARE GONNA STAY WITH US.
WE'RE GONNA ALL LIVE TOGETHER.
" AND THIS WOULD BE THEIR ULTIMATE AMERICAN DREAM.
YEAH.
BUT THAT'S WHY HE'S HERE.
LIKE, HE MUS BE STAYING HERE BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE HE RAISED HIS FAMILY.
HE CAME ALL THE WAY HERE.
THEY WORKED SO HARD.
THEY BOUGHT THIS HOUSE.
THEY WERE HERE FOR, LIKE, 20 YEARS.
THEY HAD GENERATIONS LIVING HERE.
-YEAH.
-YEAH, YEAH.
I MEAN, THEY ARE -- THEY ARE, LIKE, IN THE PROCESS OF RENOVATING.
BUT MAYBE ENCOURAGING THEM TO, LIKE, CONTINUE AND GET IT OUT.
-YEAH.
-TO CLEAN IT OUT WOULD BE OKAY.
WHAT I'M THINKING IS MAYBE WE CAN, YOU KNOW, THANK HIM SO MUCH FOR THIS, FOR BOTH OF US.
HOW DO YOU SAY "THANK YOU" AGAIN? [ ALL SPEAK IN POLISH .]
THANK YOU.
OH, SO GREAT.
WE GOT A LOT OF INFORMATION.
BRINGING MARGARET WAS, LIKE, THE BEST THING THAT EVER COULD'VE HAPPENED.
-MM-HMM, MM-HMM.
-SHE IS PHENOMENAL.
[ LAUGHS .]
UM, WE DEFINITELY KNOW WHO'S IN THE HOUSE.
I MEAN, WE'VE GOT A NAME.
CAN YOU TELL ME YOUR NAME? -[ GASPS .]
-OH, [BLEEP.]
! -WE'VE GOT WHERE HE WORKS.
-WHERE DID YOU WORK? [ SPEAKING IN POLISH .]
-HOW? -ATLANTIC TOOL! THREE SYLLABLES, TOOL WITH A T AND AN L.
-MM-HMM.
-YOU HEAR IT SO CLEARLY.
IT WAS CLEAR ANSWERS ON A RECORDER WITH A TRANSLATOR -IN POLISH.
-BECAUSE HE DID NOT SPEAK -- YEAH, BECAUSE I MEAN, IT'S -- IT'S -- IT'S CLEAR-CU IN TERMS OF THAT PERSON AND THAT ACTIVITY.
IT SOUNDS LIKE MR.
KOTEK JUST REALLY IS HERE.
AND HE'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE.
-MM-HMM.
HE DOES NOT SOUND LIKE HE'S BUDGING.
I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE HE'S JUST GONNA STAY HERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHY HE'S HERE.
BUT, I MEAN, GENERATIONALLY AND, UH, CULTURALLY, IT SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE.
-YEAH.
-WE HAVE A LOT TO TELL THEM, EVIDENCE-WISE, ABOUT WHY WE THINK WHO'S HERE.
-MM-HMM.
THEY CAN USE THAT SPACE.
THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO FOR THE RENOVATIONS, GET IT DONE.
BUT WE DIDN'T FIND ANYTHING FROM, LIKE, THE FAMILY.
SO ANYTHING RELATING TO THE FAMILY ITSELF.
-NO.
-I AM REALLY CONCERNED.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE GONNA REAC TO I NOT BEING THEIR FATHER.
THIS WAS ACTUALLY A PRETTY INTENSE CASE.
WE CAME IN WITH A PRETTY GOOD IDEA.
AND I THINK YOU HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF WHO YOU THINK IS HERE.
BUT I THINK THAT WHAT WE FOUND IS GONNA REALLY SURPRISE YOU GUYS.
OBVIOUSLY, THE FIRST THING WE WANTED TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF WAS NOAH'S ROOM BECAUSE HE'S THE PERSON WE WERE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT.
SO WHAT WE DISCOVERED WAS IF PEOPLE WALK IN FRONT OF YOUR GARAGE WITH THE LIGHTS ON OUT THERE, IT CASTS A SHADOW RIGHT ACROSS HIS WINDOW.
AND IT LITERALLY LOOKS LIKE A PERSON WALKING.
Berry: MM-HMM.
-Coming back.
-THERE.
RIGHT THERE.
-What, right here? -YEP, RIGHT THERE.
AND HE SAYS IT GOES AWAY WHEN YOU TURN THE LIGHTS ON, WHICH ALSO MAKES ME THINK SHADOW.
SO MAYBE GET HIM ONE OF THOSE NIGHTLIGHTS THAT HAS A PROJECTOR ON THE CEILING OR SOMETHING WITH STARS SO THAT HE'S LOOKING AT THA INSTEAD WHEN HE GOES TO SLEEP, INSTEAD OF LOOKING FOR LIKE SHAPES IN THE ROOM AND EVERYTHING.
-MM-HMM.
YOU KNOW, WHAT WE SAW WASN'T PARANORMAL.
-MM-HMM.
-AND WE WERE ABLE TO EXPLAIN IT.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT GIVES YOU SOME EASE AND COMFORT.
YEAH.
FOR NOAH'S ROOM, YEAH.
-YEAH.
-FEEL A LOT BETTER.
YEAH, I CAN SEE THAT.
SO, UM, THAT NIGHT, WE WERE DOING EVP WORK.
AND WE WERE LISTENING.
WE GOT -- WE GOT NO INFORMATION CONCERNING YOUR FATHER.
HOWEVER, WE DID FIND SOMETHING ON DAY 2 THAT EXPLAINS WHA YOU'VE BEEN EXPERIENCING.
DAY 2, WE WENT REALLY HEAVY ON RESEARCH.
I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO ELSE PASSED AWAY IN THE HOUSE.
THE HOMEOWNER WHO LIVED HERE BEFORE YOUR FAMILY, HE WAS VERY, VERY ILL.
AND THEY MOVED FROM HERE TO ANOTHER LOCATION, AND HE PASSED AWAY 2 MONTHS LATER.
THIS HOUSE WAS THEIR LIFE.
WE FOCUSED ON THEM.
THIS IS OUR FIRST SESSION UP THERE.
DO YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE PREVIOUS HOMEOWNER'S LAST NAME WAS? HIS LAST NAME WAS KOTEK.
LISTEN.
-YEAH.
YEAH.
-RIGHT.
OH, THAT GAVE ME CHILLS.
MM-HMM.
I GET CHILLS EVERY TIME I LISTEN TO IT.
I CAN'T RECALL EVER GETTING SUCH A DIRECT RESPONSE.
AND WE WERE JUST -SHOCKED.
WE FOUND OUT THAT THEY -AT ALL.
-AT ALL.
-OH.
-THEY ONLY SPOKE POLISH.
OKAY.
FOR THEM, THIS RENOVATION WOULD PROBABLY BE HARD TO LOOK AT.
THEY LIKE ORDER, I MEAN, PROBABLY TO THE POIN OF WHAT WE WOULD CALL, LIKE OCD, YOU KNOW? -MM-HMM.
THE STACKED DISHES, FOR INSTANCE WHAT WITH THE SPOON BEING THROWN MIGHT BE AN IRRITABLE THING FOR HIM -YEAH.
-FOR THIS MAN.
AND THE FAC THAT HE GRAVITATED TOWARDS PROBABLY AREAS OF THE HOUSE THAT WERE, LIKE, MORE TOGETHER LIKE THAT -- THAT -- YOUR LIVING ROOM AND -- AND THAT AREA.
HE PROBABLY JUST MADE HIMSELF AT HOME, SAT DOWN, YOU KNOW.
SO IF THAT WAS WHO WAS THERE, OR SHADOW FIGURES YOU'VE BEEN SEEING HE, VERY SIMILAR TO YOUR FATHER, WAS EXTREMELY HARDWORKING.
-MM-HMM.
-HE NEVER STOPPED WORKING.
MY OPINION, I THINK HE APPRECIATES THAT KIND OF THING.
I MEAN, HE COMMUNICATED WITH US.
AND, YOU KNOW, HE'S THERE.
-HE'S YOU KNOW, YOU DEFINITELY DON' HAVE ANYTHING EVIL OR NEGATIVE.
I KNOW YOU WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
THERE'S NOTHING LIKE THA HERE.
I THINK YOU -- YOU JUST HAVE A MAN WHO PUT HIS LIFE'S WORK INTO THIS HOUSE.
THIS WAS THE END RESUL OF EVERYTHING HE WENT THROUGH.
-CORRECT.
-AND HE RAISED HIS FAMILY HERE.
AND I JUST THINK, FOR HIM, THIS IS WHERE HE WANTS TO STAY.
I THINK IT WOULD MAKE SENSE.
YEAH.
WE DON'T THINK YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO WORRY ABOU AT ALL, WHATSOEVER.
SO WE INVITED THE TRANSLATOR TO COME TODAY.
AND WE WERE THINKING MAYBE WE COULD JUS ALL GO UP INTO THE ATTIC FOR A FEW MINUTES.
-MM-HMM.
-AND YOU GUYS -SURE.
-COULD SPEAK WITH HIM.
AND SHE COULD TRANSLATE FOR YOU AND JUST KIND OF LET HIM KNOW YOUR PLANS AND HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT HIM BEING HERE, JUST KIND OF LETTING HIM KNOW THAT YOU KNOW HE'S HERE NOW.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE INCREDIBLE.
I WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT.
-I AGREE.
Bruni: EVEN THOUGH IT WASN'T WHAT THEY EXPECTED, REBEKKA AND SHANNON FINALLY HAVE SOME ANSWERS.
I JUST WANT YOU GUYS TO MEET MARGARET.
MARGARET SPEAK BEAUTIFUL, FLUENT POLISH.
YOU'LL GET TO HEAR IT.
IT'S AMAZING.
UM, IF I HAD ANYTHING THA I WOULD WANT YOU TO TRANSLATE, IT WOULD BE THA HE IS MORE THAN WELCOME TO STAY.
AND THAT, YES, WE WILL BE TAKING CARE OF THIS AS WE RENOVATE.
[ SPEAKING IN POLISH .]
Bruni: HOPEFULLY, MARGARE WILL HELP BRIDGE THE GAP BETWEEN MR.
KOTEK AND THE GIRLS.
[ SPEAKING IN POLISH .]
Berry: [ SPEAKING IN POLISH .]
Bruni: NOW SHANNON AND REBEKKA WILL BE ABLE TO BRING LIFE BACK INTO THOSE EMPTY ROOMS AND MOVE ON.
THEIR FATHER WAS A HARDWORKING MAN WHO LOVED THIS HOUSE.
AND SO WAS MR.
KOTEK.
I'M REALLY HAPPY WE WERE ABLE TO HONOR BOTH OF THEM BY TELLING THIS STORY.