Louis Theroux s01e10 Episode Script

Are they rubber bullets? What kind Are they rubber bullets? - No sir, they are not.
- They're not? - No.
- They're normal bullets? Exactly, yes.
- Shotgun pellets? - Yes.
For what In what eventuality would they be used? Sir, they will only be used if they fire at us.
Then we will retaliate with fire.
Johannesburg.
In this city of widespread poverty and unemployment, residents have found themselves increasingly besieged by crime.
I take your wife, I put a knife here.
Like example, you see their blood.
I say, I finish up now.
You don't give me money, or you give me.
What can you say? Despairing of the police and the courts, they've turned to an industry of private security, offering protection for a price.
It's quite a weird atmosphere, isn't it? Feels a little bit lawless.
I was here to try to understand the causes of the crime and to find out whether these private police are really a solution or another part of the problem.
In Britain, this would be considered too much.
If we beat him like this, he won't do this again.
He won't steal again.
He won't steal again.
On the outskirts of Johannesburg is a township-cum-squatter camp called Diepsloot.
It has only existed since 1994 and now has more than 150,000 residents, most of them migrants from rural areas and neighbouring countries.
I was here with William Mayangoni, the local co-ordinator for a security firm called Mapogo.
What does it mean when someone goes like that at you as you drive past? - I didn't see it.
- I saw someone do that.
- No, I didn't see it.
- What does it mean? It means you must be killed.
- It's a threat? - Yeah.
Why would they do that to us? No You never know.
You never know.
You never know.
- Are you worried about? - No, I'm worried about you.
- Not about myself.
- You're worried about us? About what happening to us? The people? What does it mean? We can't stay in one place for a long time.
- We can't stay in one place? - No.
Why not, William? What I'm trying to understand, William, cos I don't know anything about this area, about South Africa.
Jo'burg's got this reputation as being very dangerous, having a lot of violent crime.
Yeah, because a lot of unemployment people.
- A lot of unemployment? - Yeah.
You can see most of us here, we're not working.
If you don't do that, then you have no food.
William lives in a house on a hill overlooking the township of Diepsloot.
It also serves as the local headquarters of Mapogo.
What do you do? What does your organisation do? You call them "skellums"? We can call them suspects.
And if you find the suspects, what then? Then either give him to the police, or let him go.
What do you mean by medicine? Medicine is so you know, forcing somebody to talk, something he did and he didn't want to say it.
You're using some physical punishment? Yeah, we have got certain punishments of Mapogo only to let him talk.
And that's what makes Mapogo - Famous.
- Famous? And controversial, too, isn't it? - Yeah.
- But it's not strictly legal, is it? No, it's not So you're a little like an unofficial police force.
That's it.
Yeah.
People in Diepsloot have little faith in the real police, seeing them as unreliable and slow to respond.
For those residents who can't afford the services of William and Mapogo, they rely on a volunteer group headed up by Walter Lesoleil.
Hi.
What do you do here? - Really? - Yeah.
What happened to your office? Who burned it? Is there a lot of crime in this area? In Diepsloot? What kind of thing? Is it desperate, hungry people that do it? Or bad people? You think so? Why? - Roaming? - Yeah.
When you hear someone's been robbed, what do you do? In the heart of Johannesburg, an area called Hillbrow is the stomping ground of a security company called Bad Boyz run by Hendrik De Klerk.
- How's it going? - Nice to meet you.
Nice to meet you.
Much of their activity involves reclaiming and securing buildings that have been taken over or hijacked by criminal gangs who illegally take rent from tenants.
What are the telltale signs of this building being hijacked? The telltale signs are broken windows, dirty the pavement has not been looked after.
No lighting at night.
You can see the washing hanging from the trees, it's actually a beautiful example.
The people who live here pay rent - to the hijackers? - Yes.
- Are the hijackers in there now? - No, no, no.
They will have the heavies around, coming checking, collecting rent.
- Especially month end.
- Heavies? - Like Mafia guys? - Mafia guys, yeah.
Could we go in there? Will we see anything if we go in there? Let's go.
- We go here? - You can actually see the Don't stand here, they'll throw things.
You can actually see the decay.
No plumbing.
No maintenance at all.
Broken doors.
- Broken windows.
And it's - What's going on in there? - Is that an apartment? - It's a tavern.
- A tavern? - Yeah.
There's an electrical box that's been damaged.
Illegal connections and stuff.
There's broken staircases as well.
Two dustbins in the whole building.
How did these buildings? I mean, are they breeding places for crime? Yes, yes.
A lot.
A lot.
You said "robot peak hour", is that rush hour? - Smash and grab.
- Smash and grab at stop signs? At stop signs at night, yeah.
This building had a bit of nonsense.
The guys were shooting at us with AK-47 s at night.
They used to shoot at police officers.
This was one of the first hijack buildings.
The guy that hijacked the building used to call himself Hitler.
So he ran his own little show down there and eventually, he lived by the sword, he died by the sword.
He got shot in the building there, the hijacker himself.
Who shot him? The other hijacking group that took over.
Yeah.
Once the buildings are reclaimed, Bad Boyz take over the management and protect the tenants in what is one of the city's highest crime areas.
Are any of these guys out here actual drug dealers? - Most of them.
- Most of them? Do you recognise any of them? I know a lot of faces.
- Do you? - Yeah.
Where's the Chairman? Where is Chairman? Where's the Chairman, the tall one? The Chairman? What's the Chairman? They've got their own chairman.
Their own boss.
What do you do here? You run a business? He's a chairman, he runs all the businesses, yeah.
Bad Boyz are doing good work? It's getting better, you think? - You think it's getting better? - Yeah.
- And how do you two know each other? - A long time.
just mutual respect.
- You've known each other a few years? - A few years.
- And you get on quite well? - Very well.
Would you agree? You get on pretty well? - Thanks, Chairman.
- Thank you very much.
You seem to have a good rapport with him.
- Yeah, yeah.
- What does he actually do? He's a chairman.
He's in charge of everyone, all the criminal elements.
- Really? Is he like a gang boss? - Yes, yes.
And what I said to him is, our understanding is, stay away from our buildings, leave our tenants alone.
You do your business, my business is not on the street.
I'm not getting paid to look after the street corner.
But if you interfere with my business, there's hell to pay.
If you interfere with one of my tenants, there's hell to pay.
- And they got the message.
- Who were these guys round him? His lieutenants and stuff, and on the corners is his boys, all the guys.
So the guys who, erwho deal drugs? They're behind everything.
Some way, somehow, they're behind everything.
So you have to work with those guys a bit? No, they must work with me.
This is my area, they must work with me.
I don't want problems.
With public services overstretched, the police sometimes call on private agencies to back them up on big jobs.
In Hillbrow again, Bad Boyz and a company called Red Ants were helping with the eviction of a hijacked building.
I was riding along with the deputy director of Red Ants.
Are they already going in? What's happening? Is this the building? That's the house there.
They secure the premises.
So the cops have already gone in with their guns? Yes, they go in to secure the building and take out all the illegal immigrants that's there.
Sheriff? Can I talk to you for a second? - Yeah, sure.
- One of the officers just fired shots.
There may be some resistance, I don't know.
It's quite a weird atmosphere, isn't it? Feels a little bit lawless.
What do you think? Yeah, but what can we do? Jesus Christ! He's just firing at those guys! What's happening? Let them finish before we go in.
They're making sure everybody is out.
So the guys who come out first, who were put on the ground there, are the most dangerous characters? No, what they do is take the guys out, they search them there, they make sure they're citizens.
If they're not South African citizens, they get arrested.
And also for illegal firearms.
The police were firing rubber bullets to disperse small crowds.
- To disperse them from gathering.
- Because why? Because if they gather like this, at any stage they can attack you.
- As a mob? - As a mob, yeah.
- That could really happen? - Within seconds, it will happen.
Within seconds.
Were you living in this building? According to these guys, the owner says that it's been illegally occupied and he's not getting rent from it.
So who are you paying your rent to? - Really? - Yes.
So you're paying rent to the wrong guy, it sounds like.
One of them said they were paying rent to a guy who they thought was the agent of the owner - 450 rand a month.
These guys get caught by that.
They think they're paying it to the real owner.
But in fact, they are paying to the person who hijacked the building.
It must be quite dangerous going into these places? People do get hurt.
We do lose people.
- How often? - Two or three a month.
- Lose people? - Lose people, yeah.
- What, get killed? - In fights, yes.
- Red Ants do? - Red Ants.
And civilians as well.
- Really? - They tackle you hand to hand.
They fight you combat hand to hand.
You've got no choice to defend yourself and that close combat, that's where you get your injuries.
With the building emptied, Bad Boyz had arrived on the scene.
Leading the team was Bad Boyz' co-director, Lionel Williams.
So what's happening here? You're going to send in your guys now? The raid is going to finish now with the police.
And then we will secure the building after the eviction so nobody else goes back into the building.
Nobody's allowed inside.
We will lock up the building and secure it.
You two guys wait here.
Two guys come with me.
Do the criminals and hijackers ever try and take the buildings back from you? Certain buildings.
But not from Bad Boyz.
- Not from Bad Boyz? - Not from Bad Boyz.
- We didn't have one attempt yet.
- Really? How come the hijackers don't try to chase YOU out of the building? Because we can fight.
We can fight.
Any which way you want us to fight, we can fight.
We can fight with the law, we can fight within the law.
We are a force to be reckoned with.
Let me tell you something.
For the hijackers, they know.
We don't look for a fight, but if they want to pick a fight, then we're not going to stand back.
We can get pushed so far, and that's it.
On the outskirts of Diepsloot, I had a call from William of Mapogo to say he had a suspect in custody.
The man was alleged to have been stealing cell phones.
- William.
- Hello, hello.
- How are you doing? - Fine.
What's going on here? Well, we've got him.
He is in the car now.
- You've got your suspect? - Yeah.
Is that the guy in there? Looks like he's bleeding a little bit.
- Is he bleeding a little bit? - Yeah, he got the medicine.
What's he suspected of doing? What makes you think it's the right guy? He had one of the stolen? He could have bought the stolen phone.
What did you do to him exactly? You samboked him? Where's the sambok? The medicine, this is the medicine, but don't use it.
- But don't use it? - No, we have already used it.
That's what you whipped him with just now? Not that one, but one like it? - That's a smaller one than that? - Yeah.
Disturbed by the goings-on, I tried to speak to the beaten man No English? then asked my fixer, Sydney, to interpret.
- He doesn't want to talk.
- He doesn't want to talk? Is he frightened and hurt? Is that? Can you tell what's happened here? Have they just taken him because he committed some crimes, they think? Is that right? - Really? - Yeah.
William, did you sambok him yourself? - Are you? - Yeah.
- Really? - I must wait till Which guys did it? This guy here? How do you do? So you were doing part of the? How do you do? I'm Louis.
- Abraham.
- Abraham? Were you doing part of the interrogation? Yeah, it was me.
It's quite brutal.
- Quite brutal? A little bit? - Yeah.
What do you think? You think it's good? - To do this? - Yes.
- Is it? - For the community, it's good.
In Britain, this would be considered too much.
Too much.
- Beating him? - Yeah, we beat him.
- That's how Mapogo work.
- That's how Mapogo works? - Yeah.
- Does it work? - Yeah.
- How? If we beat him like this, he won't do this again.
He won't steal again.
He won't steal again.
He won't ever.
William, are you calling the police now? - Yeah.
- Will they come and pick him up? If we wanted to see this guy's wounds, would that be allowed? - No, no.
- You don't want to show them? Why not? Is there a chance, if the police see that he's been beaten, that they will? - Really? - Yeah.
Might Abrahammight Abraham get in trouble? And what will you say? You'll make a donation to the police? The aftermath of the interrogation was strange to witness.
I wasn't sure what to make of William's casual descriptions of the violence or whether to believe his claims of police corruption.
I wondered if his clients knew about his techniques.
A little later, we visited the manager of a nearby farm.
- This is one of your big contracts.
- Yeah.
- For years and years.
- For how long? How long? Ten years? Eleven years.
Does the farm here pay Mapogo a subscription to keep an eye on the place? Yes, yes.
We have a retainer fee and he charges us for armed guards.
It costs quite a lot of money, but, you know But you're looking at 25,000 rand a month.
- What's that, ã150 plus a month? - Yeah.
Which in South Africa is quite a lot.
Yeah, it is, but you know, without that, we'd be in serious trouble.
- Really? - Yeah.
In the past, they've been criticised for harsh techniques, including interrogating and some corporal? I believe so, but I haven't seen much of that.
The police do nothing, so, you know, what can you do? If you knew for a fact that William's techniques were slightly rough round the edges, you'd think that's OK, because of the seriousness of the situation? Well, yeah, I hate to say it, but it's, er it would appear to be an African solution for an African problem.
Down in the main area of Diepsloot, there were reports of unrest.
I went to see Walter, the sector police volunteer, to find out more.
- How are you doing, Walter? - How are you? Good to see you.
How's it going? What's going on? They were burning people? Who was burning people? Really? Someone was killed, when? Last night? What are you going to do about it? What was the motive? There was a mob going round robbing people? So it was like a vigilante mob who cornered the guys who had been doing the robbing? And killed him? - Yeah.
- Really? How did they kill him? Was this where he was killed? The blood's underneath.
That's why the dirt's on there.
How did they kill him? What did they use? On his head? Did the police come? Do you think he was a criminal? I mean, people are killed like chickens.
People are killed like chickens? How often does something like that happen here? There were two this morning.
- Even last week.
- Last week it happened again? Can you try and find the ringleaders? Is it possible there are one or two guys who are mainly responsible? - Really? - Yeah.
Back at Walter's headquarters, a recent victim of a shooting wanted to share his frustration.
Where were you shot? Can you show us? Here.
The bullet came out from here.
That looks like it would have been quite serious.
In the impoverished conditions of Diepsloot, a violent response to crime was in some ways less surprising than the ability of people like Walter to take a peaceful stand against it.
This is your place? - This is your house? - Yeah.
Where did you get the uniform? - Is it? - Yeah.
When you fight crime, what do you do? Do you go on patrol? And you actually make arrests? Isn't it quite dangerous? You don't punish them? - You don't sambok them? - No.
- Or punish them? - No.
- Why not? - Nothat's the law.
That's what I'm saying, you can't fight crime with crime.
Friday nights tend to be the most violent time around the hijacked buildings of Hillbrow, and I had arranged with Bad Boyz to join them on patrol.
My chaperones for the evening would be Lionel and his fellow director, Matthew.
Have you brought a weapon with you? Yeah, we carry weapons every day.
- Do you? - Yeah.
- I mean handguns.
- You've got one here now? Of course.
- Wow, that's quite a big one, isn't it? - Yes.
Have you ever had to discharge that gun in the line of duty? - Yes.
- Really? - Yes.
- At a target, not a warning shot? Sometimes, just as a warning shot, just to scare the guy off.
Sometimes, shooting at the suspect itself.
- You've done that? - I've done that.
We've done that.
- You, too, Matthew.
- Yes.
Where is your gun? - It's quite big as well.
- Yeah, it is big.
We started the night close to the scene of the eviction I'd been at.
I was curious about a hijacked building I'd noticed that was more than ten storeys high.
This is the one that you said was hijacked and had no electricity.
Yeah, I think this has been hijacked.
- Can we have a closer look? - We aren't going to go inside.
- Why not? - Because we don't want conflict.
There might be guys sitting in there.
- Can we have a look from closer up? - Yeah.
Let's walk over there.
What would happen if we go inside, then? They might get a bit aggressive and stuff.
"They" being who? - The people who live there? - The people running the building.
- How did they get in? Through here? - Through there.
All the holes here.
What would happen if? We can't go in.
I do want to go in.
WellI don't want to go inside.
- We need somebody who lives there.
- Let's see how he goes in.
It's dark inside.
Very dark inside.
- It's a smelly - We can go up to the first floor.
- The first floor.
- OK, let's go.
Just up to the first floor.
So these were the lifts once upon a time, were they? Yeah.
Here are the stairs.
- Come onLouis.
- I can go up? You go first, then you can go.
I'll go behind you.
OK, you go.
It's very dark here.
What exactly are we afraid of? There are guys with guns here.
They do have firearms here.
The robbers might be staying here.
- Come.
- So it could be a hideout.
If you look in here, it's empty.
It smells in here.
Oh, God! Maybe this was for cars at one time, was it? But you think the hijackers of the building - would live here, or somewhere else? - No, they wouldn't live here.
Only the guys that work for them will live here.
The hijacker's making money - he doesn't have to live here.
He can live comfortably somewhere else.
It's filthy.
- Hello? - How are you? How are you? Can we talk to the people? Do you want to speak to this gentleman? - You live here? - Yeah.
Can we see your room? So, this is your place? You sleep there? Do you work? Do you have a job? And you? And these two? Do you have jobs? How long have you been in this apartment? Are there people on all the floors? All the way to the top? All the floors.
Lionel had mentioned guys with guns, but there were none inside that I met, just people without jobs and without money.
Oh, yeah, it was this way.
Quite horrendous.
Yeah, you can't live in those conditions.
Was it quite a nice building at one time? You can see, it was a very nice building.
Professional people? You can see the security things in place.
The turnstiles and stuff, you can see.
- Lifts and everything.
- Everything was just left here.
A little later, and outside a Bad Boyz building, a man ran past, pursued by four or five assailants.
Why did you beat the guy up? Why? Why? I didn't do nothing! Wait, boss! Wait, boss! - You're a big man, huh? - Wait, boss.
Get up! Get up.
In the midst of the melee, Bad Boyz had accidentally blinded each other with pepper spray while the victim of the original attack was bloody and semi-conscious.
Are you OK? Oh, man, he looks quite beaten up.
Do you think we should call an ambulance for this guy? All right, boss? Who sprayed you? My supervisor.
Ask him if we should get an ambulance for you.
Matthew, what's he saying? Does he want us to get him an ambulance? Shall we call an ambulance for you, or are you all right? - No, I'm all right.
- Why did they attack you? I don't know.
They said you threw a bottle at them? Wash your face with the water.
Come, wash your face.
He's not that badly injured, but he's got a very deep cut here.
But he needs stitches.
Normally, we'll phone an ambulance.
They might take two hours to come.
That's the emergency services.
By now, I'd been in Johannesburg several weeks.
I'd been surprised by the brutality of the private police.
To make themselves effective against crime, they'd shown a worrying readiness to use violence themselves.
And things were about to take a strange and unexpected turn.
My fixer, Sydney, had had an urgent call from William.
The details were vague, but it sounded as though William and his partner Abraham might be in trouble.
What's the story? Why? They caught the criminal? Against William? OK.
Why not? OK.
This guy's got string.
Right now, the crowd is angry with the old man.
The crowd is angry with the old man.
- They want to hurt him.
- Yeah, they want to hurt him.
They want to know where is the guy they - That they took? - Mm.
You're saying this guy, William beat someone up that you know? Why is this crowd here? You want Donald to come here? Cos you're saying he's not a criminal.
William says he's going to burn him? Is that right? Can we just have a quick word with this guy? Thank you very much.
I can't do anything at the moment.
No car, no watch.
- Are you OK? - OK.
William, they're saying you beat someone up and threatened to No.
These guys seem very angry with you.
What was he accused of doing, the guy? What do these people want to do to you? William, what do they want to do to you? Are you OK? You seem a bit shaken up.
Are you shaken up? Yes.
What do they want to do to William? They want to kill William.
They want to burn him.
But why? So you want to burn him? You're saying you want to do something to William now.
The community wants to? After my encounter with the angry mob, what struck me was the people's sense of themselves as enforcers of the law.
Despairing of the police, the community has opted to take matters into its own hands by hunting down and burning those they suspect of wrongdoing.
William and the beaten men were taken to a police station in a neighbouring precinct, a safe distance from the squatter camp.
What's happened to this guy? How badly beaten is he? He's missing a tooth? He was beaten with the - Sambok? - golf stick.
- With a golf club? - Yes, and the samboks.
- And samboks? - Yes.
Mapogo? Do you know him? I was on my way to meet a pair of notorious criminals known since childhood to our fixer Sydney.
Since being in Johannesburg, I had heard a great deal about the violent crime plaguing the city.
This would be a chance to get some answers from two people directly involved in it.
Do I have to be careful how I talk to them? No, you can be open to them because they know me.
They won't do anything to you.
- Are you Maleven? - I'm Maleven.
Nice to meet you.
How's it going? What are you saying my friend? Are you OK? - Yes.
- And me too.
So, I understand You have just told me you've been a criminal, is that right? - Exactly, I'm a criminal.
- You are now? - Even now.
- And you too? - Yes.
- What kind of crimes? - Hijacking cars? - Yes.
- You too? - Yes.
- Using guns? - Of course.
You've got a gun there now? You've both been in prison? - Exactly.
- I go two months outside now.
- You've been out for two months.
- Now I have two months outside.
Almost inside about ten years.
- You were inside for ten years? - Yes.
- For what? - Two guys dead.
Traffic cop.
You're saying you shot and killed a traffic cop? For what reason did you kill the cops? - We want to make money.
- We want guns to make money.
- To take their guns? - We want to make money.
- To take their guns.
- That's it.
- Just that? - With guns, you've got money.
You don't feel any remorse? I don't feel even ashamed when I do that.
Why? Because I do that job and I will die for that job.
What job? Why? I never go to school so what can I do? What do you think, Sydney? You know, about Maleven You know, he's from a poor family.
Even his brothers, they were doing he learnt from his brothers.
What about his parents? Didn't they look after him? No, his mother passed away a long time.
My mother's passed away, and my father.
- Is that true, Sydney? - Yes.
I grow up with them, but they were Some criminal came in and killed his father, mother and sister? - Yeah, because his brother used to - The soldiers.
His brother used to work like this, with that criminal.
Did the guy get caught? A mob killed him? Yeah, I was there as well.
Not to say I was a criminal, I grow up with them.
What was the last thing you did, you two? - We took four cars last night.
- Last night? Where? - In Benoni.
- In Benoni.
Yes, we waiting for buyer right now.
You're waiting for a buyer.
How did you get them? We take it with a gun.
What can we do? Only money that I want.
And to hurt people? If I've got a child there, are you saying you would hurt the child to find out the information? You never give me.
You never give me.
Or I took your wife.
I put it Is he ser? I can't tell when heif he's joking.
Maleven's crimes seemed almost unbelievable in their viciousness.
A childhood of violence and utter despair had instilled in him a kind of sadism, and a willingness to do harm that was, in turn, creating more fear and more victims.
I was back with Red Ants.
With a 300-strong force, they were retaking a hijacked building in an industrial area not far from Hillbrow.
They'd evicted the same building a couple of years before, amid scenes of heavy fighting, only to have it taken back by criminals.
But on this day, they encountered no resistance.
- Do you speak English? - Me? Yeah.
Do you understand what's happening today? What is it? They warned you this morning? - Did they? - Yes.
That they were going to evict you? They said that this morning? Have you liked living here? - Was it? - Too much.
There was a sense of futility hanging over the entire enterprise.
Those people charged with protecting residents and providing services face a seemingly impossible challenge, with millions of the jobless and the homeless from all over Africa seeking refuge here.
- You think so? - Yeah.
You think they'll take the building back? They will.
They will.
I was out for one last patrol with Bad Boyz Our day is starting with a visit to the spot where one of their colleagues had recently been killed.
- This is basically the building.
- This is the building? I think it wasthe fifth floor The murderer had himself later been killed, and there were rumours of Bad Boyz' involvement.
He was lying here? And you got the guy who did it? He got shot also.
Didn't Bad Boyz kind of deal with him? No.
No, Bad Boyz didn't do anything.
- Why are you smiling, Lionel? - I'm just, it's a lovely day.
It's not raining.
Is that a sensitive topic? You have to say that, don't you? Do you have to be careful how you talk about some of the things that Bad Boyz do? Anything else? A little later, and back in the high drugs area of Hillbrow, we ran into the Nigerian crime boss known as the Chairman.
You said you've got a problem? - With your business? - Yeah, my business.
Is Lionel gonna help you with the problem? Can Lionel help you? Has he? Lionel, you help the Chairman? More than ever, I wondered about the line Bad Boyz had to walk and the compromises they had to make working in such lawless areas.
He seemed to think you were gonna help him a bit.
Why? Because he's a drug dealer.
He's a big-time drug dealer.
You don't want to see him gone from the area? He's bringing the area down, isn't he? Isn't it possible the Chairman is involved in violent crimes? So, for the moment, you'd rather have a criminal here who you have a relationship with rather than some other criminals who aren't at all co-operative? What's your duty, then? My duty is Private security firms are helping to keep the peace in Johannesburg.
But only for a fee.
And in part, by resorting to violence themselves.
In the poorest areas, the lawmakers and the law breakers become almost indistinguishable.
And residents are trapped in a cycle of crime and retribution that makes victims of the entire community.
My time in Johannesburg was nearly over.
But before leaving, I wanted to make one last visit to William.
Having been cornered by an angry mob, then arrested by the police, he was now back at home, on bail.
They let you out? 2.
5 what? - Rand? - Yeah.
That's about ã150.
So you've got a court date.
What have they charged you with? Assault? The guy said you assaulted him with a golf club.
- Cos when I was going to - But he was beaten.
But you say you didn't do it? But you did do it? These are property crimes, aren't they, to do with money? - Yeah.
- And that doesn't make it OK.
What you're doing is worse, you're assaulting them physically.
Even if he's done something wrong, which we don't really know, it doesn't make it right for you to beat him up like that, so brutally.
Well, I would, I mean Build higher fences, maybe, or call the police? I mean, if I could catch the guy Secure the property more carefully? Build a higher fence, electrify the fence? You're saying the system is broken, there's no? The courts and the police don't dispense justice any more?