The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City (2020) s01e14 Episode Script

1
[Andy] Tonight, the ladies
of Salt Lake City sit down
for a three-part reunion,
and they're bringing the heat.
Whitney said there was
a huge swinger community
in Salt Lake City.
-No.
-Yes.
-Mormon swingers?
-It's Mormon 2.0.
I wouldn't call that Mormon 2.0.
All right. I wanna move on.
-We're not gonna move on because
-'Cause she's in charge, Andy.
-Sorry, Andy, for one second.
-Wait a minute.
-Andy.
-[crickets chirping]
Did you fall asleep?
I don't remember.
You have attacked Brooks
on social media.
-Meredith, stop lying. You are lying.
-Oh, I am not lying.
Who did you see me
make feel less than?
People at your church.
Don't talk about my church.
Nobody's bringing up your alcohol.
How's your dad doing?
I just hope that the show
didn't break him.
I'm being treated racist?
If Jen Shah said,
"I'm-a cut a bitch,"
you guys have me
[bleep] handcuffed.
You say you hate drama,
you hate lies,
and you double down on Jen Shah?
-I care about Jen Shah.
-Over Meredith?
Are you watching
your own performance right now?
Let's all [bleep] bail on Jen.
-That's what you [bleep] want.
-when I brought her on the show.
Roll footage. Watch.
[Andy] Part one of The Real Housewives
of Salt Lake City Reunion
starts now.
[upbeat electronic music]
So we're gonna show all the girls today.
All the girls are coming out to play.
Did you sleep last night?
-I didn't sleep very well.
-I didn't think so.
So are you excited
for your first reunion show?
I'm excited.
-Getting good vibes.
-Good.
Excited.
Let the games begin.
Hey! How do you feel about tonight?
I feel something. Usually I'm
-What do you feel?
-Nerves.
-Okay.
-Yeah.
-Okay.
-I'm excited.
-Yeah.
-Mostly about this moment.
-Aw.
-So this is the peak.
It's all downhill from here.
It seems like there are
some unsaid things
between you and Jen Shah.
You know, I was very hurt
by her actions,
and, uh, we'll see.
-Understated hair.
-Very understated and simple.
Yes. A lot of people had
a lot to say about you.
Yeah. It was tough, but,
that's what today's for, right?
-Yeah.
-To talk about it.
Let's get everybody in place, though.
Let's go.
All right, Mary,
you are right there.
-All the way at the end, huh?
-Hey, Mary!
Hi. It's like a winter wonderland.
-Hey, Mer.
-Oh, hi.
-You look gorgeous.
-How's my posture?
All right, everybody settle in.
Three, two, one.
This is the Super Bowl, guys.
Whoo.
Welcome to The Real Housewives
of Salt Lake City:
Season One Reunion.
I'm Andy Cohen,
here with the women
who delivered such a wild
and wonderful freshman season.
Dare I give it two thumbs up?
-I do dare. Congratulations.
-Thank you.
Congratulations. Hey, Lisa.
Does God care now that you own
a tequila company?
God will never care that I own
a tequila company.
-Did you ask Him?
-I ask Him every day.
-You do.
-He keeps blessing me with selling more.
-Okay, very good. Hey, Whitney.
-Hi, Andy.
You left the stripper pole at home?
-I couldn't get it on the airplane.
-Yeah.
I was hoping to get some lessons today.
-I mean
-I actually want lessons, too.
-We can make that happen.
-Yeah, we can. Hey, Heather.
-How's it going?
-Good.
I heard you got a DM from Rihanna.
I did.
What did it say?
"Keep it real," and I said,
"You are everything."
"Like, I can't believe you DM'd me,"
and she's like, "No, you are."
It's, like, crazy.
-Wow. Hey, Mary.
-Hi, Andy.
Have you finally figured out
how many homes you own?
-No. I have not.
-Okay, good. Get back to me.
Hey, Jen, you're looking
Shah-mazing today.
Hi, Andy. Thank you.
Should we expect Zen Jen today,
or will you be turning up?
I'm gonna be Zen Jen for the most part
unless somebody makes me turn up.
All right, so it's up to you all,
just so you know.
-Hey, Meredith.
-Hi, Andy.
I see your bling. Is that
Meredith Marks you're wearing?
-Of course. [laughs]
-Well, congratulations, again
-on an amazing first season.
-That's big.
-That's huge.
-With from exclusive events
and high fashion
to stripper poles and low blows,
you ladies never missed the chance
to show us what was heating up
under the snowy mountains
of Salt Lake City.
Let's take a look.
-Give it up, give it up.
-Oh!
[cheering]
Whitney loves the stripper pole.
I was raised in suppression
my whole life.
-What do you expect?
-Yeah, Whitney!
Stop twerking. Get off the floor.
[cheering]
They're all the same?
I mean, does one tracksuit
make your collection?
I love your jacket.
I love your cane.
-This is Valentino.
-Love this.
You sent me a thumbs up
and I go, "Heather, you know
that's a '[bleep] you.'"
Two thumbs up is the "eff you,"
and that's a universal text code.
-[man] Was that a [bleep] you?
-Absolutely.
Okay, I never knew
that a thumbs up was a "[bleep] you."
Is that a Mormon thing?
I didn't know that one was, but
It's the intention behind it.
You know when you're getting
a "[bleep] you"
-in a thumbs up.
-Right.
Brian from Arlington, Virginia,
said, "Heather,
what's your fascination
with meat on a stick?"
Lollipop. How many licks does it take?
Don't clear the burger.
Guard the burger
and the lollipop drumsticks.
You always seem overly excited
and amused
every time an event serves them.
You know,
I love a good meatball,
and I love fun food,
and I'm not afraid to order it.
-Say that you love balls.
-Yeah, I love balls.
Marlena from Brooklyn said,
"I love you, Mary,
but, girl, what's up with your hair?"
"Are there no Black salons
or Black hairstylists
-in Salt Lake City?"
-There was not.
And my beautician
was not available,
so I grabbed wigs
and just was wearing them.
My hair was bad.
I get it. It was bad.
-Really?
-It hurt me.
-It hurt my feelings.
-It hurt you?
Yes, because I feel
your hair is part of your ensemble.
-Uh-huh.
-And, yeah, my hair was bad.
My hair was bad, too.
I felt it. I get it.
No, mine took all of us home.
Maxine from Atlanta said,
"Whitney, you said
there was a huge swinger
and polygamy scene
in Salt Lake City."
"Does this still exist?"
-No.
-Not polygamy. I mean
There's polygamists,
but they're underground.
I think it was, uh, insinuating
that we come
from a history of polygamy,
and I was joking that maybe
that's why this culture.
There is a strong
-Swing?
-swinger community.
There is a big swinger
community in Salt Lake City.
-There is?
-Yes.
-Mormon swingers?
-I don't know.
Yes, I know some personally,
and they
-And they swing.
-engage in that lifestyle.
I don't know anybody.
It's a way to say, listen,
we're celibate.
We've only been with one person.
We wanna sexually experiment,
but we don't wanna lose
our marriage.
So we're gonna swap,
and we're gonna swing,
So that we can have our cake
and eat it, too.
Have sexual experience but still
remain in our marriage.
Blaine from Albuquerque,
New Mexico, said,
"Meredith, what was
your reaction when you saw Jen
making fun of
Brooks' sweatsuit collection?"
"Were you appalled
that an older woman
-would be picking on a child?"
-100%.
I wasn't picking on Brooks.
His clothing line
I don't feel like I was being mean.
It's one sweatsuit. That does
not establish a fashion line.
Anyone's gonna say that.
That's not me being mean.
He saved his own money
to launch his brand.
Yes, it was a beginning.
It was a step.
And he should be commended,
not criticized.
Was that the thing you were insulted by,
or was it something else?
The the comment was whatever.
I didn't think
it was particularly nice,
but it's not untrue.
There was one tracksuit
in the fashion show.
That is 100% true. It just
was not said out of kindness,
so I wasn't thrilled with that
'cause it is my child.
-He's not a housewife.
-But they were
-Right.
-You know.
-They were a little different. They had
-And, um, but no.
But what really agitated me
much more
was the continuation
on social media
over these last couple of months,
weeks, whatever it's been.
Uh, no, I didn't post anything
about Brooks on
No, I never posted
anything about Brooks.
And if it was encouraged
Uh, you did.
Come on, Meredith.
Meredith, stop lying.
You did. Oh, I am not lying.
Yeah, you are lying.
I have not attacked Brooks,
and I'm not gonna allow you to say that.
You're talking about Brooks.
I'm not saying you addressed him directly.
You just said that.
Is that about
the vagina comment?
That was about the vagina.
We're gonna get into the vagina.
Yeah.
Andrea from Provincetown said,
"Jen, why do you think
it was acceptable
to throw a party
for your friend and then make it
all about yourself?"
"Are you that self-absorbed
and in need of attention?"
Uh, no, I'm not that self-absorbed.
I just thought it was fun.
I thought I could
incorporate my culture,
and, you know, make it fun.
If somebody's a host,
they can choose to host their event
whoever they want. I would
I don't pass judgment on Jen
for deciding that she
wanted it to, you know,
be representative of her culture
or whatever it was for her.
That's fine.
The harder part for me
was that it was
on Lisa's actual birthday,
and I thought that the party was
going to be for the two of us,
and that was, for me, the harder part
for me to get my head around.
It's my birthday.
My birthday.
It's my birthday!
Happy birthday to me ♪
-Yeah.
-Oh!
I don't feel like Jen did that
on purpose,
but it was I think that,
you know, it's my birthday.
I was very sensitive to that
because Lisa is an old friend of mine.
Our birthdays are a day apart,
and for me, I I had said,
if you recollect, Jen,
if you wanna do this party,
that's so nice.
Thank you so much,
but it's Lisa's actual birthday,
so if you don't wanna do it
for the two of us,
I'd rather do it on another day,
'cause it made me very uncomfortable.
I was grateful that Jen threw the party.
Lisa wasn't throwing a party for Meredith.
You know what I mean?
What bothered me the most
was not the party.
It was how some of the girls
treated me on my birthday.
You mean that Heather
was coming at you that night.
Well, I mean, she gave me
the once-over,
looked me up and down
and then turns around.
I didn't dismiss Heather.
That was Heather dismissing me.
You are wonderful, welcoming,
and I'm so grateful for our friendship.
Heather was so dismissive for the moment.
That's your word. That's not mine.
"Dismissive."
I'm gonna borrow it for a second.
It's my word for you
to describe you perfectly.
I'm gonna talk for a minute now
so I need you to stop.
When I walked in,
I had a beautiful Cavalli jacket on,
Versace. I know I looked good.
-It's ridiculous.
-I know I looked good
and I had beautiful hair.
I went up to Heather
several times that night
and was being nice to her.
That's absurdly untrue.
Patently false,
which is typical for you.
-Heather, it's recorded.
-This is your brand, so go ahead.
-It's recorded.
-But, Heather, can I add
From what we from what we
From what I saw, it did look like
you were defensive already at Lisa.
Beyond defensive. She has
her back to me. Roll footage.
-Hello there.
-Hi.
-Hi, honey.
-Hi. Good to see you. Okay.
Thought I was gonna go in
for a hug.
-That's not a thing, to roll footage.
-Just being Heather Gay.
No one in this room needs us
to roll footage to see the way
that you treat me.
Keep talking so no one can hear Lisa,
and they won't hear the truth.
You're a [bleep] liar.
Stop talking.
[dramatic music playing]
[suspenseful music playing]
No one in this room needs us
to roll footage
to see the way
that you treat me.
She's a pathological liar.
I think the issue is also
that you
-Stop talking.
-It'd be nice.
You called her
a "good-time girl."
I said she was a good time.
My friend told me an anecdote.
When they were in school,
Heather was so much fun.
She would press her boobs
against the glass
and be so funny. They still have
the letters you wrote them.
-They've denied this.
-We can call her right now.
-Were you a good time?
-I am a good-time girl.
I'm a lot more fun
than this mess.
-Okay.
-But I Yeah.
-I'm a good-time girl.
-Okay.
-I wanna move on.
-Well, we're not gonna move on
She's in charge, Andy.
For one second.
Andy, you know what's bothering me?
I had to deal with this
the whole time we were filming
because she tried to convince everyone
what's the history, Heather? Prove it.
Where have we gone to lunch?
Where have we gone to dinner?
Been in the same car?
I have zero personal
friendship with you.
But we have been at the same events
with the same
circle of friends for 20 years.
-I've known her for 20 years.
-I have to assume
-Salt Lake City is not so big.
-It's not that big.
The same friends. Everyone has reached out
to me from that circle.
Okay, all right.
Moving on. I'm moving on.
Andrew from Eau Claire, Wisconsin, said,
"Whitney, how did you feel
seeing Lisa's comments
about your love of stripper poles?"
"Do you think she's jealous
'cause she wishes she had your moves?"
I actually don't think
Lisa's jealous of me.
-I think she thinks she's better than me.
-I don't think that.
-Do you think you're better than Whitney?
-No. I've never thought that.
I don't feel that way.
You weren't a fan of her dancing
at Sharrieff's party.
You said she should get off the floor
and stop twerking.
I think it's inappropriate
to dance like that
in front of somebody else's
husband on his birthday party.
I'm not judging. I don't care.
Who did you do your splits
in front of?
[cheering]
So were you upset
with her dancing?
No, it was the stuff
that happened after.
But I'm talking about the dance.
No, I spotted her. I helped her.
-I held her legs up.
-Yeah, she helped her.
[cheering]
Yeah, have you not seen Jen and I?
Did you see the party bus?
But I wanna make a point here.
I don't think she's jealous.
I just think
it's just a way for her to look
down on me.
I don't. I don't feel that way.
And she's constantly, like,
time after time calling me trash,
docking my looks.
I called you trash once,
and I'll explain that, too.
You've called me trash
multiple times.
All right. I wanna move on.
Kyla from Jacksonville, Florida, said,
"Mary, you claim to be
the fashionista of the group."
"What in the green loofah hell
were you wearing
at Meredith's birthday party"?
"Looked to me like an '80s reject."
"How do you defend your taste in that?"
In my opinion,
I love my oofa-oofa dress.
Like, Valentino runway.
It was had little sparklies.
It's not for everyone,
and everyone cannot fit
into that dress,
and everyone cannot pull it off.
This season, Jen Shah took us
on quite the emotional journey.
From hosting
over-the-top blowouts
to having over-the-top blowups,
the self-proclaimed
queen bee of SLC
certainly made a splash.
No, really, just ask
the cameraman. Watch.
-Ooh!
-Excuse me. I'm here.
-You look good.
-Thank you.
When I post a picture of myself,
they're gonna think
I'm on the Black Diamond,
'cause I look Black Diamond, okay?
My dad's anniversary
of his death is right here.
[voice breaking]
I'm trying to be strong
'cause I have to be strong
for everybody,
but it's really so hard.
[sniffles] I love you.
I love you, Ofa Atu.
Daddy, I love you so much.
I feel lonely
when Sharrieff's not here.
But you have to express that.
By the time I express it,
I blow up everything around me.
Mary is [bleep] crazy!
Shut the [bleep] up about Mary!
This is about her being
frustrated with Sharrieff
and not knowing what to do
with her anger.
My [bleep] marriage is [bleep] up
because of that night.
Sharrieff been home since Saturday,
so I'm so glad that you are able
-Because of me?
-Yes!
Jen has just gotten so used
to projecting onto other people.
I drink because I'm trying
to numb myself.
What are you trying to numb?
[voice breaking] I'm numbing the pain
because I'm depressed, I'm sad.
I'm still [bleep] sad
because Dad passed away.
And you wouldn't even care.
I'm so angry at you.
Heather, you were getting
emotional during that package.
Why?
-Um, my dad passed away in April.
-Oh, I'm sorry.
Mine did, too.
-Yours did, too? I'm sorry.
-Mm-hmm.
-Really?
-Yeah.
I didn't know that.
We've talked a lot
about being Daddy's girls,
so it's like a little,
you know, it's really fresh for me.
I haven't, like, scratched, you know,
-we have enough drama and trauma.
-Yeah.
But yeah, it's just
yeah, I don't know.
-It just hit me.
-Yeah.
-There's Kleenex behind you.
-Oh, thank you.
Uh, Jen, Marley
from Tempe, Arizona,
wants to know about
your plastic surgery history.
What have you had done,
and are you planning on getting
work done to your knees still?
Yeah, Heather's created
that procedure, so
It was a collab.
It was a collab.
But I know everybody thinks
I've, like, done all
this stuff to my face.
I haven't had plastic surgery
on my face.
-Okay. Your nose?
-Just fill
The only thing I had done
to my nose was
Omar broke my nose on accident.
When he was a baby,
he head butted.
And so they went in and they had
to fix this right here, but
Trust me. I would've, like,
I should've got a nose job,
you know, the whole nose.
But I've just done
fillers and Botox and stuff.
A lot of comments
on social media
not only about Jen
but all of you ladies
regarding plastic surgery.
Does anyone want to address
anything they specifically heard?
I have everything.
I have Botox, filler in my lips.
-These are natural.
-[laughter]
-That's what I thought.
-Can I ask you a question?
Have you had them done
since the show?
-Yes.
-They're bigger
-Uh-huh.
-than they were
in the bikini
in the bathtub scene.
-They're they're higher.
-They're higher.
Okay. Brendan
from Cranston, Rhode Island,
wants to know why you need
four assistants, Jen,
and specifically, Brendan
wants you to break down
what each of them do for you
outside of clapping
for your fabulous outfits
and driving you around.
I need a lot of help.
You know?
-Doing what?
-They all do different things.
I mean, I run a lot of different
companies and businesses,
and a lot of them have different
roles in the companies.
We also got a lot
of questions wanting to know
what do you actually do?
Because specifically,
people are wondering,
like, how'd you get so rich?
My background is
in direct response marketing
for about 20 years,
so our company does,
you know, advertising.
We have a platform that
helps people acquire customers,
so when you're shopping online
or on the internet,
and something pops,
we have the algorithm
behind why you're getting
served that ad.
-It's lucrative.
-I try to be like
a fairly smart person, but, remember,
I was, like, I still don't get it.
And I was
at a company dinner at Tao,
and I was also
at the owner's table at 1 Oak.
Best night ever. You know?
And I was just like,
I don't know what she does,
but I like it.
Alicia from Durham,
North Carolina, said,
"Jen's husband is not
the head coach
of his football team, so could
he not have taken time off
to attend her dad's funeral?"
Jen, were you guys having
marital issues at the time?
No, we were not having
marital issues.
It is a full-time,
very rigorous job,
so if he was the head coach,
he would have more leniency
-to stay back.
-Ah.
It's the assistant coaches
that are out
all the time recruiting
if the season's not in.
Did him missing
your father's funeral
have a big effect
on your marriage?
It, you know, it really did.
Um
At the time,
it's what I signed up for.
He's he's a football coach
[voice breaking] and it's part of the
It's it's just it's part of the job,
and I signed up for it, but, um,
and I didn't realize it at the time
until it was really affecting me.
And I didn't even know that
I was holding
that much resentment.
Did something happen in the past
that made you feel
like you couldn't talk
to your husband
about how you were feeling?
[intriguing music playing]
[intriguing music playing]
Did something happen in the past
that made you feel like
you couldn't talk to your husband
about how you were feeling?
He seems so, um
clear-headed.
-Mm-hmm.
-On the show.
He he knew I was angry
when he came home
from the football game
and Dad had passed away.
I had to call him on the phone.
[sighs and sniffles]
I had to call him on the phone
because they were
at an away game at Washington
and tell him,
"Hey, Dad just passed."
Yeah.
Um
When he came home,
I was I was mad.
I think I grabbed all his stuff
and was like,
"Get the eff out.
Don't come back."
"Go up to the football"
You know, I was hurt.
Yeah.
But I'm just wondering,
he seems so supportive of you
and, like, someone who
who lifts you up,
so I'm wondering what it is
that makes you feel like
you can't express yourself to him.
It was really that he just
wasn't around, you know?
So when he would come home
for a day, or come home
-You don't wanna dump everything on him.
-I don't wanna dump everything on him,
and I feel like it's not
the right time to get into this.
Kai from Honolulu, Hawaii, said,
"Jen, for a woman in her 50s,
you throw a lot of tantrums
like a five-year-old."
"What kind of example are you
setting for your kids?"
Well, first of all,
I'm not in my 50s.
I was just gonna say,
I was like
-Wait, what?
-Wow.
-I was like, what?
-Yeah, bitch.
-That was some shade.
-I'm 48.
What was the question?
It just threw me off. I'm 50.
-Yes, I'm sure it did.
-It would throw all of us off.
Uh I was going through a lot,
and I wasn't proud of, you know,
all of the things that
that I did or how I acted
or communicated.
But you know what? [bleep] happens
when you're going through [bleep].
Have you always been
temperamental?
Not like that.
I think she's more temperamental
at me than anyone else.
When my name comes,
it's a trigger for her.
[Lisa] I disagree with that.
Mary, no disrespect.
It's not I'm not triggered by your name.
-I disagree with that.
-Do you?
Jen, I feel like whatever's, like,
when she gets upset
when your name's said,
it usually doesn't have
anything to do with you.
It's like why do you keep
bringing this up?
But hold on, Lisa,
'cause you told me that
-Oh, I think she goes hot fast.
-Hold on.
You told me in the car
I said, Lisa, why do you think
Jen treats me the way she does?
And you said, "I don't know.
I just I'm confused why
it's every single time."
Those were your words.
-Well, there was
-Do you remember that?
It was your luncheon.
I wasn't
And that's what I meant by
I spoke to Lisa on one occasion.
-I was in a private
-That's what I meant.
Like, I was having
other conversations
when they were all talking,
but at the luncheon,
I'm like,
I don't understand this.
-Like, I don't get it.
-But it's all the time.
It's my name so you guys
don't agree?
Heather, you don't agree
that I trigger her?
-I agree with you 100%.
-You don't agree, Heather?
-You think Mary triggers her?
-Oh, absolutely, 100%.
-It's not about Mary.
-I'm asking, 'cause I know
I was triggered by instances that with,
like, the whole hospital thing
and the luncheon, but Mary
herself doesn't trigger me.
[Mary] I trigger her.
Mason from Fullerton,
California, wants to know,
Heather, if you ever got
an apology from Jen
for screaming at you
at the '20s party
when you were only "trying
to help her drunk ass get home."
No. We haven't we haven't
I haven't had an apology
-or any conversation about that.
-I'm sorry, Heather.
Thanks for getting me
in the car with Coach.
-I mean, Jen
-What?
Well, I mean, was that heartfelt?
-Yeah, it is.
-Oh, okay. Okay.
You have more passion about, like,
a lot of other things.
That seemed like pretty
I'm not gonna use, you know,
-the word, but, like, come on.
-No.
Heather, I genuinely
I don't know why
she's holding back
and not just being like,
"I [bleep] love you,
and you're a good friend,
and I'm watching this play out"
"And, like, I love you,
and I'm sorry." I don't
I'm shocked that she's not
Are we there? We're
We're just
No, the reason
that I kinda laughed at you was
I thought I just think
it's funny that
that was a year ago, and you're
the apology's just coming now.
This is the first time I've heard it,
and it sounds like, "I'm sorry."
I said I'm sorry, and I did. I felt bad.
When I watched everything,
I was like, you know what?
I can see why you probably
felt a certain kind of way
'cause you thought I'm somehow
not being loyal to you
You thought you were trading up
for this and her.
-It felt like that.
-Heather, I did not.
But I'm sorry if I made you
feel like that, but I'm telling you, I
that's not what I was doing.
I would always get you in the car,
even if you didn't care.
You can't say that's what
friends do because
No, that's the type of friend I wanna be.
I wanna be the type of friend
that even if you yell at me,
I still get 'em in the car
and send them home.
never say sorry and never care
about how you feel,
but you're gonna show up anyway?
You choose a friend
that's a friend back to you.
If you're a friend to that person,
they should be a friend to you.
Maybe you should take your own advice.
I don't wanna be friends with you.
That's the difference.
You understand that?
Rashtram from Manchester, U.K.,
said, "Jen, how do you feel
about Meredith's son telling her
not to be friends with you
because you don't know
how to control yourself?"
Is he meddling in grown folks' business?
What'd you say?
Brooks did not tell me
not to be friends.
-That is not true.
-Um, I was hurt,
and I was shocked because I,
you know,
I care about Meredith's kids
and I thought I didn't know
that he felt that way.
I don't think you were
intentionally trying
to rattle my children.
I don't think that at all.
But you know, you are a big
personality, as you well know.
That's no shock to anyone.
And then there were
the high leg kicks
and no underwear,
and that was that.
And I would have never
talked about any of this
if you had said,
"I would never wanna see
your kids uncomfortable."
You didn't even have to apologize.
I didn't know there was
a problem, Meredith.
I didn't know there was a problem.
They left and went to Best Buy
because they were uncomfortable.
100%.
Did they see her vagina?
Yes.
Did you know that they saw
your vagina?
No.
[suspenseful music playing]
You know, I would have never
talked about any of this
if you had said, "I would never wanna see
your kids uncomfortable."
You didn't even have to apologize.
All you needed to do was
say, "I'm sorry that they"
-Not "I'm sorry."
-I didn't even know
there was a problem.
I didn't know there was a problem.
-Did they see her vagina?
-Yes.
If there was a problem, why did you
have me stay and sleep over?
-Did you know that they saw your vagina?
-No.
But what I'm not gonna do
is sit here because
that's not your recollection.
I visibly saw Brooks upset.
They repeatedly told you to cover yourself
He came upstairs,
and you were smoking,
and he was pissed because
you were smoking.
Yeah. So what?
That's why he was mad,
not because of me!
Oh, no, honey. Try again.
When the whole vagina-gate
came out
-Mm-hmm.
-I purposely never said
anything to Brooks specific.
I didn't.
You have attacked Brooks
on social media.
-No, I didn't.
-What'd she say?
There were comments.
There were posts
calling him white privileged.
I have not attacked Brooks,
and I'm not gonna allow you to say that.
But you did say you don't think
he ever did see a vagina,
so that is kind of picking
on him.
Hey, if I offended your kids,
I am very sorry, but I didn't know.
-I didn't even know.
-Try recording more people
without their knowledge and consent.
-What are you talking about?
-Mm-hmm. I know.
Why, did she record you smoking
and then put it on social media?
-No, she just kept it.
-No!
She has it.
-I don't.
-Are you a secret smoker?
Oh, once in a while.
-Then it's your business.
-So, yes. It really did.
-That's your business.
-Closet smoker?
No, I'm not sitting in hiding.
It was once in a blue moon.
If I have a few drinks,
might I have a cigarette? Sure.
Why did you
videotape her smoking?
I didn't videotape her smoking!
That's crazy.
Okay. You can say
whatever you want.
Well that is insane.
But you just brought it up, too,
which
-No, I didn't video
-But you just brought it up.
I brought it up
to say that's the only time
I saw Brooks uncomfortable
or upset,
was he seemed upset
when he came upstairs,
and you were smoking.
That's the only time that evening
that I could even sense
that maybe he was uncomfortable.
But then why invite her
to sleep over?
-What do you mean? I didn't.
-Yes, you did.
No, that night
Oh, you passed out in my bed.
-Meredith, oh, my gosh.
-Yeah.
No, Meredith, you asked me
to sleep over.
-You were passed out.
-No. You
-Meredith, yes.
-Okay, whatever.
I'm not gonna go back and forth on this.
-I'm telling you
-It's 100
You passed out at my house.
That's why I gave you
the tracksuit that was Brooks'
to wear home,
so that you had something
to wear home the next day.
That was it. I mean,
there's nothing more to it.
I want one of those tracksuits.
Well, I might be able
to arrange that.
-Okay. Um
-[laughs]
Do the other women sympathize
with Jen
having a further understanding
of why she acts out?
I think we've always sympathized with Jen.
I think all of us
understand self-medication.
You're right, except me.
I didn't even think about it that way.
I just saw it like
They understand the malicious
treatment I get, but they seem
to run to her rescue, so yeah.
Mary, that was snarky.
That was not nice.
I am kind to both of you, and I
can be kind to both of you.
That's, like
I want to be kind to both of you.
-You're not kind to me.
-I am kind to you.
I check in on you all the time.
Mary, if you knew
how kind I was to you
-Don't put your hand up.
-I'm putting my hand up
because I'm a New Yorker,
and this is how I talk.
-You've lived in for Utah 20 years.
-Put your hand down.
I have been there back and forth, Heather.
You don't know anything about me.
No, I don't know anything.
This is where I grew up. Sorry.
My mother's still here.
Do you wanna say hi
I wanna talk about
your relationship with Mary.
Why do you think
she doesn't have your back?
Oh, no, Lisa doesn't care for me.
I've even tried to connect.
I have called Jen, and I said,
"Make up with Mary, please."
"There's nothing that big
that you guys can't make up over."
Andy asked me, Lisa.
Andy asked me.
Okay.
[dramatic music playing]
[suspenseful music playing]
Lisa, you're so quick to jump in.
Worry about yourself, okay?
Uh, well, Lisa, you love
success, entrepreneurship,
and the quest for perfection.
But according to some of the women,
more than anything, Lisa loves Lisa.
-Let's take a look.
-Let's see.
I have extremely high goals
for myself.
I love it by myself, though.
I don't wanna change it.
I always am trying to be my best self,
and I'm not gonna stop.
Lisa loves her [bleep] self.
-She's Mormon 2.0.
-Oh, whatever.
She's Mormon bull[bleep].
So your vow renewal
how did it go?
-It was amazing.
-Yeah?
Our bartenders
they had so much fun.
Yeah.
My brand-new house
is completely [bleep] up!
There's just glass everywhere.
But I just wanted to let you know
that they got a little drunk.
It was kind of a mess.
What Whitney does with the gift
I gave her is up to her.
If I give you a Chanel necklace
and you choke on it,
that's your problem, not mine.
I'm mad. That was going
for my business. I'm not okay with that.
You don't go for my company.
Don't [bleep] with me.
That's it. I'm done.
After the party,
she threatened to use rumors
-That she's heard?
-That she's heard about me against me.
-What did she say?
-Lisa accused me of being a swinger.
Because she feels superior to us,
she feels entitled to call out
anything that she thinks
is, like, morally deficient.
I don't judge you. I don't care
enough to judge you.
Oh, ding.
All right, Melissa from Michigan
said, "Lisa, what if there was
an emergency with your kids
when you didn't answer
your phone while at Sundance?"
"Is your ambition more important
than your family?"
Have you guys even seen your mom
at all recently?
-I haven't seen her.
-For, like, a night.
-Should we try calling her?
-Yeah.
[line rings]
[gasps] Oh, she declined it!
No, John's like,
"I don't want you to feel stress
when you're up there
about the kids."
We have a nanny. We have
a concierge doctor on call.
Plus I'm married
to an amazing guy
that actually likes being
involved in our kids' life.
[voice breaking] My kids are
everything to me. Everything.
If you wanna make me cry,
talk about my children.
They're my everything.
Jack and Henry are the best
things I have ever done
in my whole entire life.
-You're a good mom.
-You know, it's so ironic that you
got emotional because
I was sitting here, thinking,
"Wow, you're so
seemingly confident
and strong and unemotional,"
and I was sitting here wondering
what your vulnerabilities might be.
My children. Ask anybody.
Like, if you talk to me
about my children,
they are everything to me.
It's an amazing thing to see
two young boys
look at their mom,
and they feel so proud of me.
They love me.
Yeah.
Maggie from Hoboken, New Jersey,
said, "Whitney, I know you said
you're not a swinger,
but if you were,
what couple of this group
would you wanna get down with?"
-To be honest?
-Yeah.
-Meredith.
-Aw, that's nice.
-Thank you.
-And not Seth. Just Meredith.
Nice. All right. Lisa, Jackie
from Hartford, Connecticut,
says that,
"your 'better than thou' attitude
is off-putting."
"I know you said you're not changing,
but after watching yourself on TV,
do you think you maybe need
some fine-tuning
in the attitude department?"
No, I'm very comfortable with myself.
I know what I have to do.
You cannot do what I do
and not be who I am.
I mean, I accomplished a lot.
I've created brands from nothing.
I've worked hard my whole life.
I've had a job since I was
12 years old.
My whole family's wired this way.
-So you can't be nice?
-You do come across as snobby.
And you do come across you have
a stick up your butt. You do.
Okay, what you missed
What you missed
What do you take from that?
What your friend is talking
I hear everything she's saying.
No, I take that with a grain of salt.
It's constructive criticism.
I'm open to it.
I'm saying, some things
come into your life
where you can see that's for me.
That should be a blessing.
So Mary is saying this is
a growth opportunity for you,
and Whitney is saying
you're not nice.
So how do you take it?
These people actually know you.
I think people misinterpret
direct as cold and bitchy.
I'm actually really warm.
I'm very nurturing.
I have a lot of people
that love me.
I want everyone to be lifted up.
That's just who I am.
I've tried to be nice to Whitney.
When Whitney was doing
interview looks,
and some of her stuff
came late for [bleep],
I immediately responded to her.
I said, "You can come
and borrow anything
from my closet."
Did you hear that dig right there?
"When it came late from [bleep]."
-Yeah. She's the queen of it.
-Wait. Is that a dig?
She's the queen of delivering
with an underhand.
You're misinterpreting.
I think the point is
what you're missing is
you you don't see yourself
as being rude or condescending,
but it's landing that way.
They love to tell me
who I am, how I think
No, you like to tell us.
You like to tell us who we are
even though we disagree with it.
You know what, Heather?
I did an interview with you.
I gave you accolades.
I was constantly building you up.
-I'm nice to you.
-For you to say nice things
to me is not some benevolent gift
from the queen of the world.
That is what is called
human interaction.
How you feel about me
is how you feel about me.
I don't remember it
and I don't bring it out
as a feather in my cap.
People read books about liking themselves.
I happen to like myself.
You should write a book.
I won't read it.
-Okay.
-Confidence got me where I am today.
They don't understand all
the things I had going on
Where you are today,
my friend, is sitting here with women
who are they're calling me saying
that you are not treating us well.
-Mary?
-I'm gonna say something.
And then I wanna hear from you.
I wanna say that you did say
take what I say
as a grain of salt, and
-What was the reason she said that?
-Nobody's talking to you.
I like who you are, but I'm also
a confident person as well.
And I appreciate that.
But I don't make people feel less than.
You do. You do actually, Mary.
No. I don't.
I actually enjoy
-my conversations with you.
-I make you feel less than?
Who did you see me,
make feel less than?
-Jen.
-And who else?
People at your church.
When I watched, I was like
Don't talk about my church.
Nobody's bringing up your alcohol.
[dramatic music playing]
[suspenseful music playing]
Who did you see me make you
feel less than?
People at your church on
When I watched, I
Don't talk about my church.
Nobody's bringing up your alcohol.
I'm not a confrontational person.
I'm not a person that tears someone down,
but I will speak truth.
If you need to learn
something about yourself,
there's always
an involvement area in everyone.
-I'm open to it.
-I'm very confident,
I'm 100% open to it.
Do I make you feel
less than, Heather?
-Never.
-Do you, Whitney?
Uh
You're too busy kissing her ass
to, like, have any other
-Who?
-They are.
-Are you kidding me? They
-Yes.
They don't they don't
alienate me.
Mary is honest,
which can be harsh.
But she's never mean, like,
dismissive.
There's your keyword.
"Dismissive, dismissive."
No, I love
I'm gonna use it a lot.
I would like to know what
your friend of 10 years, Meredith,
-has to say about this.
-I think that Lisa
could say the same exact thing
to me in the same tone of voice,
same words, and say it maybe
to to Whitney,
and it will be interpreted
completely different
because my dynamic with Lisa
is so different
than Whitney's dynamic with Lisa.
Okay.
So Cindy from Flourtown,
Pennsylvania, said,
"Lisa, why'd you get so mad
at Whitney
for pointing out the bad
behavior of your bartender?"
"As a business owner,
wouldn't you wanna know
how your employees
are representing your brand?"
I think what set me off is
when Whitney was saying this,
it didn't the bartenders
don't work for Vida.
They're contract bartenders,
and I recommended them
to Whitney because I use them a lot,
and I offered to pay for one as a gift.
That it's a little under two grand.
I was happy to do it.
That's a huge thing for her.
I can afford my own bar.
I wanted to invite Vida there
to show women supporting women
and be like, "Lisa,
this is an olive branch.
I hope you take it
so we can build a relationship."
You never said that to me.
I just thought you
You sent the way you sent
the text message,
I felt like, the way you sent
the text message
You wanna pass it around?
I have the same text messages, Whitney.
I can pull 'em up on my phone.
I know, so this is what
it comes down to.
-I don't want you to
-We misinterpret.
Read the one that's faded.
-Well, the the
-Do you want me to read it?
This is a bad Xerox, babe.
-I know. I'm sorry.
-I can't even read this.
-I know it's bad.
-Let me ask you this.
Do you think Whitney and Heather
paint an incorrect picture of Lisa?
I think Lisa has
a strong personality.
It lands differently
on different people.
It's like a communication style thing.
She allows you
in that space, though.
You're committed to thinking I'm horrible,
so I'm horrible to you.
Then it's not my fault the way
America has perceived you.
So if this was a Whitney
and Heather problem
This is not it's not based
on what I've said
about you, Lisa. It's based on
how you've conducted your life.
And I'm not even in the
We're not even in the room.
Bring my husband in
and ask my husband.
But, Heather, can I say this?
You do care, though.
You care.
Of course I care deeply.
And I think Lisa's missing that,
so she cares for that.
What's your reaction to that?
-Um, I
-Traumatized
-by what you've done to me.
-I think
-You're you've traumatized me.
-Okay, what's your reaction
to what Mary's saying?
-What's your reaction?
-With your lies.
-I'll even deflect it back.
-If that's her way of caring
-about me
-Maybe it is.
-Wow. Like I mean, wow.
-Like I said,
we all have to evolve.
Maybe that is her way.
'Cause I don't think
Heather likes me either.
I'm the crown jewel. I'm this.
Bow down, bitch,
or, like, you want something
from me that you're not gonna get.
You don't want me to be your friend?
What have I said
openly aggressive
other than calling you a bitch,
which, quite frankly, you are.
-You called me dismissive, a mean girl.
-You are all those things.
And I don't think you're upset
about being those things.
I think you portray those things
on purpose.
She has to hear that you care,
so you have to start off coming in,
"I care about you, Lisa."
Now do you know what the problem
with you and I is?
I don't speak my mind and say
how I really feel,
but I'm ready to do that.
I think that you're rude,
-dismissive, manipulative.
-Same thing as her.
-I think you lie.
-You're manipulative.
She is, too.
Yeah, you guys made up a whole lie
to get her to not be my friend.
Then I had a big realization.
It's not that she's making me
feel a certain way.
She doesn't create space
for Heather and I to have
the same type of relationship
that she has with Meredith,
Lisa, and Jen.
Let me ask you a question. Do you guys
want to be friends with her?
No. No.
I absolutely do not want
to be enemies,
and I want to champion her
in every way I can,
but it's very difficult.
Lisa said, "You know, I feel
like I'm misunderstood." And
Constantly. Constant.
It's exhausting.
Heather, look at me.
You don't allow it.
You want to keep pushing this.
I have tried.
John has been in the car with me
when I have tried calling you.
Voicemail, voicemail.
I give up. I have only so much
energy to give.
Why am I gonna put
good energy after bad?
If you wanna keep coming
for me, come for me.
You're missing out because
I actually have a lot to offer.
You have not offered friendships.
-Lies.
-You've ignored me.
You can keep creating
that narrative.
Because then people
will actually like me
And you won't get
to tell America
and I won't get [bleep]
text messages and DMs
because of what you said!
I won't be called a [bleep]
and a bad mom, dismissive,
-and a bitch.
-I called you those things?
No, when you said it on TV,
I got my DMs flooded
with "You mean girl bitch,"
everything.
I did not ever call you
any of those things.
No, she said it was
a reaction to her
-Because she was mean to me.
-The reaction to how you portrayed me.
I got to order Taco Bell,
but you're not at my birthday party.
I thought you were
portraying yourself, my friend.
[dramatic music playing]
[Andy] Next week,
the reunion continues.
I smelled hospital still.
I never went to the hospital that day.
Well, this is the headline.
I wanna make something clear.
You are not my friend.
I'm not saying sorry!
You owe me an apology. You lie!
I have a fear when guys are
standing out
in front
of a convenience store
Black guys?
Don't you [bleep] call me a liar.
You could not wait to go
on your interview
and talk about
my friend's marriage.
You're a disgusting human being,
and you're a [bleep] liar.
Don't ever insinuate something
untrue about my husband.
-Don't do that.
-Put your finger down.