The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City (2020) s01e16 Episode Script

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[Andy] Tonight, the dramatic conclusion
to The Real Housewives
of Salt Lake City Reunion.
-[snoring]
-Mary? Did you fall asleep?
-I don't remember.
-[laughs]
Robert, what's your reaction
to the "grandpa effer" comment?
I don't like people messing with my wife.
[Andy] How's the reconciliation going?
-Uh
-Oh, that's rough.
Divorce is devastating to some people.
I never judged you for your divorce.
You've dismissed it, to use the word.
Are you hurt by Lisa and Jen's friendship?
-Yes.
-[tense music sting]
Telling a woman of color she's aggressive
is very dangerous!
Aggressive now. This is aggressive.
-I'm not here to tell you!
-I don't want you to educate me.
Can you get my husband? [sobs]
Wow.
I don't know where I'm going.
[crying loudly]
Come on, come on.
It's okay Come on, baby.
We can have everybody taking their seats.
Heather, she just won't stop.
It's like, I'm awful, dismissive, mean.
I'm like, "Let it go. Move forward."
Okay, is is Lisa coming back?
We hope.
Hold on.
-Love you.
-[exhales deeply] Okay, I'm good.
I'm good. I'm great.
Let's go.
Wow. You kinda look like
a different person.
-Is that a good thing? [laughs]
-It's good.
Now the husbands are coming?
-We have some new guests with us.
-Hi, honey.
-Hey, Seth, it's Andy. Nice to meet you.
-What's Seth wearing?
-Looks like he has a blazer and a hoodie.
-I like it.
-You look very sharp.
-Thank you, sir.
Not that I expected
anything less, but I mean
Robert, you don't seem thrilled, Robert.
-Not at all.
-[laughs] Sorry.
We're gonna swing back in here on the jib.
Three, two, one. Cue.
We are back with the ladies
of Salt Lake City,
and the husbands have joined us
on the reunion stage.
-Hey, Coach Shah. How you doing?
-Yes, sir. Outstanding, Andy. Doing great.
Did you ever get
your Popeyes shrimp po' boy?
-Popeyes is off of this exit.
-Shrimp po' boy. Bow! Let's go. [hums]
Uh, I did.
-You did?
-I did. Yes, sir. Not that night.
It was not after your birthday party.
-No, sir. No.
-No, no, no.
-Hey, John. How you doing?
-How's it going?
Did Lisa prep you for today?
I can neither confirm nor deny.
[laughter]
Seth, nice to see you.
I'm sorry you can't physically
be here today.
Can you share with everyone where you are?
I'm the land of opportunity
in Canton, Ohio.
Wow. Hey, Robert Sr.
Welcome. It's great to see you.
You were also not able
to join us in person.
Are you being cautious
and not traveling because of COVID?
Yep.
He's really shy, Andy.
I don't think he answered the question.
-Hey, Justin. How you doing?
-Hey, Andy. Doing great.
We know Whitney is good
on the stripper pole.
-How are your moves?
-[laughs]
You know, I've been known to be
on that pole a few times itself.
-[laughter]
-[Andy] Oh, my God. Really?
He's actually almost better than me,
not with acrobatics
-but the spinning and dancing.
-We go hard.
-Does he have the head-flip down?
-You should be very glad
that there's no pole here
because I would have asked for a demo.
-[laughter]
-Alright, well, from absent husbands
to career-driven wives,
these ladies were not afraid
to open the windows into their marriages,
even if some of them
had a lot of cracks. Let's watch.
The thing that drew me to my wife
in the very beginning,
it was how sweet she was.
Do you know your wife?
Get my purse.
-Get my [bleep] phone! Let's go.
-Let's go.
Love is truly blind.
May this ceremony renewing your vows
heighten your joy in living.
When we met, we were both married
to other people.
Please celebrate these renewal of vows
with a kiss.
So did I tell you how you start it?
You don't need to hire people.
All you have to do is ask me.
It was kind of in my grandma's will
for us to marry.
She said, "If anything
ever happens to me, Bobby,
marry one of my girls
because they'll look out for you."
We became partners
as opposed to a marriage.
-Friendship.
-[Mary] Partnership.
After Robert was born,
I drifted into being a mom,
and he drifted into being Robert Sr.
When ski season's over, are you gonna
come live with me in Canton, Ohio?
No, we're not living in Ohio.
I'd like to have a life partner
and a soul mate to share everything with,
so I hate being separated.
But at the same time,
I'm not dating anyone else.
[Andy] Alright, uh, lots to discuss.
First of all, Melissa
from Wilmington, Delaware,
is very upset that Lisa threw away
her husband's Rolex.
[Lisa] In all marriages, there's times
when you feel out of sync with each other.
I mean, I have thrown
John's Rolex out the car window.
"What could he have done
to make you so mad?"
Oh, my gosh. It was so funny.
I had picked him up at the airport,
and he forgot it was my birthday,
so I'm like,
"Didn't you forget to say something?"
And he was wearing the watch I gave him.
Our birthdays are, like, a month apart.
So he's like,
"Here. You can have your Rolex back."
And so I go,
"You have ten seconds to put that on,
or I'm gonna chuck it out the window,"
and he didn't.
We were rounding the corner,
ironically right in front of Taco Bell.
I just hucked that sucker out,
and then I was like,
"You can go get it if you want it."
Are you wearing it today? Is that it?
-It's proof.
-[laughter]
Liam from Pikeville, Kentucky,
said, "Coach Shah,
do you value football and your job
more than your family?"
"Why not be there to support Jen
for her dad's funeral?"
No, I don't value football
more than I value my family.
And this has been difficult.
When Dad was in his worst condition,
I came in the middle of the week
to see him,
and he was only responsive to me,
and that created a pain with my wife
because she thought,
"Had you been there
and been there sooner and more,
he probably would have gotten better."
From a medical standpoint,
that was an impossibility.
-Mm-hmm.
-But I was at the wake,
and for nearly the years
that followed his passing,
I have been there every single day.
Jen, do you think that that's something
that you're gonna be able to let go of
at some point?
If he could have been there,
he would have.
-Right.
-And he did everything that he he could.
He I mean, you guys see.
He's there for me. It's just
I didn't know what I was dealing with
at the time.
Yeah. Alex from Hoover, Alabama, said,
"I know what Whitney's relationship
with the Mormon Church is like,
but, Justin, are you still
a member of the Church?"
-I'm no longer a member, no.
-You're not.
I received a letter from the Church
that said I was no longer,
-uh, in good standing.
-Wait, recently?
No, this was ten years
-Oh, you're kidding.
-Ten years ago.
And so usually you have a chance
to defend yourself
-Right.
-to them.
When you grow up Mormon,
it's the worst letter you could get.
Wow. How did you get through it,
would you say?
Um
-Time.
-Yeah.
Yeah.
[exhales deeply, sniffles]
-Heather, this is upsetting you.
-Yeah.
No, I've I've I just feel for them.
It's my same story. [sniffles]
I might get a letter too.
Could you practice
Mormonism at home and not
-Of course.
-go worship somewhere?
-You know Yeah.
-Yeah.
-Yeah.
-You can still go to church.
-And do you do that?
-Yeah.
It's hard.
-It's hard.
-Yeah, yeah. It's
Well, we've kinda chosen to kind of take
a different path now, and honestly,
it's within just our own belief system
-Yeah.
-and what we do.
It probably would have been
a little easier
if there was a tithing rebate
that came with that.
[laughs] And you got a big check back
when they gave you the letter
that you've donated?
Is divorce in 2021 still highly unusual?
I don't think it's unusual any longer,
but it's still not as common
as the statistics outside the Church.
John was divorced.
He was married before me.
And how did And
and were you expelled from the Church?
No. My dad, actually,
was divorced also when he was younger.
And most of my family's divorced.
Like, my parents are divorced. Um, three
-And they're all Mormons?
-Yeah, yeah.
Then why was Justin expelled?
Well, it was because of our relationship
and the fact that we were both
-in previous relationships.
-Got it.
We stepped outside of our temple covenant.
-It's okay to get divorced
-Understood.
-in the Mormon religion.
-Yeah.
I disagree, but that's my opinion.
That's fine.
I'm just speaking from, like,
my parents are divorced.
I know. My experience is that it's still
a big, big deal. I'm still sealed
I'm still married to my husband
in the eyes of the Church.
-You can cancel the sealing.
-So
I can't. I cannot cancel the sealing
unless I have another worthy
priesthood holder.
I think it's circumstance
-and what you ask for.
-What's the sealing?
You can get married in the Church,
or you can, like,
make a big commitment and get married
for time and eternity in the temple.
Like, John and I are sealed together
in the temple,
so it's just another, like,
longer term relationship.
Okay, Robert, there's been so much talk
about your unconventional marriage
and the background leading up to it.
What do you want people to know
that maybe they don't
or that they don't understand?
I don't know.
I don't know how to say that.
I see all that grandfather junk,
it's stupid.
It was It was upsetting.
[sighs] He's still upset.
-Yeah.
-He's not as strong as me.
-Were you hesitant when
-That's true.
-Were you were you hesitant
-Go ahead.
-Be nice. Don't be embarrassing.
-when Mary said
-she wanted to join the show?
-Very much.
-You was?
-Mm-hmm.
-No, you wasn't. No, you was not.
-For me.
-Yes, for me. For me.
-No, you wasn't.
Robert, why were you hesitant
for her to join the show?
-[laughs]
-[Mary] Yeah, you better start laughing.
-See? There you go.
-No, 'cause I
'cause I knew everything
that's happening right now
-was gonna happen.
-We were actually coming together.
-Right.
-See, you're jumping in something
It's negativity. We're positive.
We're coming together.
Me and Jen just made up. How about that?
Is there any way you ladies
can let bygones be bygones?
Yeah. I can. I think we just
needed to talk through it.
And I apologize again.
-Love you.
-Okay. Fine.
Love you too. But that don't mean
I can't voice my opinion.
-Go ahead.
-Okay.
-I want your opinion.
-Sorry, Andy, go right ahead.
-He's loosening up. Coming around.
-Mary has me calmed now.
-Go right ahead.
-He's coming around.
-Takes a minute.
-Robert, there's been,
you know, so much talk
about your unconventional marriage
and the background leading up to it.
What do you want people to know
that maybe they don't
or that they don't understand?
Well, one thing
that they don't understand
I don't know. They think that [sighs]
like we got married just for the money.
Everything is money,
and it's not like that.
And another thing is this granddaddy junk.
It's just stupid.
I was 22 years old when I married Mama.
Now whose granddaddy was I?
I wasn't anybody's daddy yet.
I don't like that.
I don't like that at all.
That's very offensive. That's hurtful.
But I'm used to it.
I don't like people messing with my wife
at all. I'm like that.
Mary is a great mother and a great wife.
I love her. I understand
we have our ups and downs.
Hey, you been married 22 years?
How in the world can you not get along?
That's right.
-If you understand.
-Yes, sir.
What kind of a First Lady
is she at the church?
-The best.
-Oh.
But she's more than a First Lady.
Really, she's a co-pastor. She's my equal.
I know that doesn't sit
in most churches, so, yeah.
[Andy] Mary, that made you emotional
to hear him give you that praise.
Why?
[sniffles] Because nobody knows me better.
And you know, I do go through battles.
I do go through things
that warrant where I am
and validates who I am,
and for him to say
I was his equal just just touched me.
You know, it's funny to see you,
Mary and Jen.
The odd thing is had you not
gotten off so poorly,
you could see the two of you
being friends.
I'm in a place where I have to accept
who people are,
and I never gave her that chance.
-That's nice to hear, right?
-Thanks, Mary.
Robert, what was it like for you
watching Mary's discord with Jen
-throughout the season?
-Oh, God.
Rough. You don't like people
talking about your wife.
Now honestly,
that's a tough little sister.
She can deal
with this big old brother. Wow.
-Coach Shah, what about you?
-Yeah, it hurts you.
You know? But I told my wife
when she decided to do this,
I said, "I am not here
to engage in any fight
that you have with any woman,"
and so I'm with Robert.
It hurts when my wife is attacked.
I know her. When she cries, I cry for her,
and I told her. I said,
"You are going to have to come
from a very real place
to seek a level of forgiveness
and even personal cleansing
so you can put some things behind you,
and maybe people will reciprocate."
"And if they don't,
put it in God's hands, and let's ride."
-Will you be my coach?
-[laughter]
Right now, let's go.
-I need him.
-Let's go.
-Let's go.
-You stay in New York.
-[laughter]
-I need this guy.
We all need a Coach Shah pep talk.
And, big Robert, I want you
to understand this, brother.
When I saw what my wife said,
and it came on, I told her,
I said, "Baby, that's unacceptable."
You're gonna go with Mary,
who [bleep] her grandfather?
I don't care what she may have said
in that moment, and she knows this.
I said, "You can't talk
about people's marriages."
"You don't talk about what they do.
That was unacceptable,"
and my wife knows
I was upset and hurt for that.
I said, "We can't degenerate
to that kind of talk."
Not that, you know?
And so that's what it was for me,
and I apologize, brother. I'm sorry.
You know, that's not my wife.
That was in the heat of the moment.
And that's not an excuse. God willing,
she'll be better going forward,
because I believe in her.
And hopefully she gets a chance
to at least demonstrate
who she really is, God willing.
You don't have to worry about it.
-I see a double date in the future.
-[laughter]
Whitney, I thought it was brave
of your dad to open up
his struggle with addiction.
I've been, like, uh, a really burden.
-You being here
-I'd be dead.
is the best place you could be right now.
Right. I don't exaggerate this at all,
but you guys really saved my life.
How is he doing?
[sighs] Currently, I don't know.
-Why?
-He's not speaking to me.
-Oh, that's rough.
-Is it related to the show?
We actually, after the show,
had built back
a very beautiful foundation,
and we were communicating very well.
He came and saw me for my birthday,
and I never saw him again.
He disappeared. He won't respond to me.
I I saw this going very differently.
I saw us watching together
and celebrating.
[crying]
There's so many opportunities
for him to change his life,
especially now with this platform.
And people were really rooting for him.
Yeah, and I still want people
to root for him.
That's what he needs. He needs love.
Love never lose hope.
You never lose hope. You
Yeah, I-I text him probably
every other day.
-Really? And he doesn't respond?
-Or at least every fifth day.
-Do the messages go through?
-Yeah.
So I don't know, Andy.
I don't know how he's doing.
But it's brutal on my heart.
-[sniffles] I had the best makeup too.
-[laughs]
It's gone.
People were commenting on Twitter
that they were thinking
your dad might have been behind
your hairstyles on the show.
Was he doing your hair for the show?
No, my dad cuts my hair.
-He cuts it.
-Yeah.
We got a lot of questions
about your dad's hair.
Is Is that a wig that he wears?
-No, that is his hair.
-That is his hair.
Well, we're
we're all rooting for your dad.
-Thank you.
-Yeah. We're all rooting for your dad.
Um, Seth, Meredith,
how is the reconciliation going?
Have you guys been straight through
since we wrapped?
-Yes.
-Yeah.
-Going good.
-Fantastic.
You're saying it in a way that belies it.
Why would I really openly discuss anything
about my marriage
with this group right now?
Sorry.
Meredith, there were reports
that you had filed for divorce
before filming started
and then withdrew those petitions.
-Is that the case?
-That is true.
Seth had filed for divorce at one point.
As I said, we have separated
multiple times.
We've had a tumultuous marriage.
I've talked to countless couples
who have either come together
because of this show
or have grown apart
in front of our cameras.
What would you say the effect
of going through this was,
and what do you think would have happened
if you went through it without the show?
I think Seth and I would both
agree that, um,
the show really did help save
our marriage.
Really? Why?
With the show, you have to address things.
You can't just sweep things under the rug
and keep moving forward,
which definitely, on my side,
was a big part of the problem.
-The level of accountability.
-Yeah.
Without question, this show put threads
back into our marriage.
We were hanging in by a thread.
It was really severed.
It's crazy.
Meredith admitted to dating other people
when you guys separated.
Did you date other people as well?
Not really. I've I've
I've never gotten over Meredith.
For many, many years,
I was so self-absorbed in my work
and trying to be a great dad,
and I didn't work on my marriage,
so I realize there were a lot
of deficiencies in the relationship
and mostly my doing.
Wow. Landon from Tacoma,
Washington, has a hot take.
He said, "Seth, do you feel
that Meredith turned Brooks against you?"
"It felt like her talking to your son
about your marriage
made him side with his mother."
No, not not at all.
To know Brooks Marks
is to love Brooks Marks.
He's the sweetest human being I know.
Aw. Diane from Memphis thought
that your reconciliation felt very quick.
One second, you're giving
each other space,
the next, you can't stop fawning
over each other.
Did that timeline seem odd
to you, Lisa, or
Actually, for me, it felt like forever.
I mean, I can't even watch it
without crying.
Like, I'll start to cry right now,
because I love them together.
I love them together.
And I'm happy they're together.
Like, it was stressing me out.
Lisa, like, you always say divorce
is no big deal, but, like,
you're so emotional
and you're so invested in her marriage.
-I didn't say divorce is no
-This is what divorce is.
It's a big deal. You're like,
"My family's divorced."
"John's divorced. Divorce is no big deal."
"You just move along,"
but then you're so emotional.
-Oh, my gosh.
-Like, that's what I feel, Lisa.
That's why divorce is a big deal to me.
I was married, like Meredith
is married to Seth.
I'm not discounting your divorce.
I've never discounted your divorce.
I never judged you for your divorce.
I've never thought anything
-other than, like
-You dismissed it,
-to use the word.
-No, it's I-I didn't dismiss it.
I don't have those kind
of conversations with you, Heather.
I don't have conversations
about your divorce.
I heard you, like, ten minutes ago, say,
"Divorce is no big deal. Move on.
We have the highest divorce"
"You know, like, everyone's divorced,"
I see your emotions. Why can't you tap
into that same emotion
when I'm hurting, when I'm struggling?
Like, and get that, like,
I'm not trying to be a victim.
I'm just trying to be honest about
Divorce is devastating to some people.
And it's okay to say that.
And say, guess what?
It's hard. It's hard.
And you don't just over it and, like,
find someone new and move on.
It's hard, and it would be hard for her.
I think, Heather, I feel sensitive
is when things were negatively
It would be hard for any one of us.
I am here saying it's hard for me.
-That's all I'm saying.
-the way I choose to be LDS,
-and I have a hard time with that.
-Okay. Nick L. from New York
said, "Jen, do you not
find it hypocritical
that you chastise Meredith about loyalty,
but then you discuss
her marital issues with everyone
behind her back?
What's your logic in that?"
No, I didn't do it from a place
where I was trying to hurt her.
Out of respect for Meredith and Seth,
I'm not even gonna go there
because it's a moot point.
They're together,
so let's not even discuss it.
-Mm-hmm.
-Well, it's not a moot point.
It was a huge part of the show
that you kind of
I know. There was a lot
of other stuff that went on,
and I feel I took the brunt
and blame of it.
I think a lot of the ladies had
a part in it. We all did. I did.
-I did not.
-Maybe you all
I did not. I did not discuss it
with anybody.
No, sorry. I only talked
to Meredith about it.
Okay. So there were things that you knew
that you discussed with the other ladies
that, now that they're back together,
you feel are moot points?
-We all have certain needs.
-Yeah.
If you're not getting it from home,
you're going to go somewhere else.
I just don't feel
that it should be discussed now
if they're back together.
Sharrieff, what was your reaction?
I was I was hurt for my wife
because from my perception,
I thought she really enjoyed Meredith.
She got to know her in a way that was fun.
She tells me,
"She's awesome. I really enjoy her."
And so for the relationship to just,
uh, you know,
spiral to this point was hurtful.
I mean, you all were kind of talking
about the marriage behind, I mean
We talked about it a lot.
I never disclosed
any, like, evidence to Whitney
out of respect for Meredith and Seth.
For me, asking questions,
I was getting to know Meredith,
and I was trying to ask her about it,
but she didn't wanna disclose
anything to me,
and I should have just respected that
and stopped right there.
Yes, I'm sorry, Meredith and Seth.
I should have never engaged
in any type of
conversation.
Thank you.
[voice breaking] I have been
I'm sorry to all of you.
Robert Sr., I'm sorry.
That's okay. Don't you worry
about it, sister, at all.
-Thank you, brother. Thank you. Thank you.
-Seth and Meredith,
I'm sorry, but you have to understand,
I never came from a place of
trying to hurt anybody. [sniffles]
I've been super hurt, Meredith,
with what, you know,
just the distance between us.
Heather's my best friend.
I was talking to her,
so I mentioned some stuff to her.
I was like, this is weird,
but it was not out of, like
[sniffles]
to try to hurt somebody.
I think when you get upset, Jen,
I think you're really sorry for it.
-I am.
-But you're just a fighter,
and you fight with your words,
and then you wanna take it back,
and then by that time, it's
the damage is done.
You don't wanna burn a bridge
with every single person
because you're in your fight with Jen.
I just want to apologize
and say I'm sorry. [sniffles]
Alright. Well, we will leave it there.
Sharrieff, Seth, John, Justin,
and Robert Sr.,
thank you so much for coming out
and supporting these amazing women today.
We're gonna take a short break.
We'll be right back. Thanks, guys.
[man] Alright, gentlemen.
Thank you for helping us this day.
-Bye, honey. [smooches]
-So nice to meet you.
Likewise, brother.
We are back. Whitney took a gamble
by inviting the ladies
on a trip to Sin City,
but when Jen doubled down
on some old issues
with her friends,
things quickly went bust.
Let's take a look.
Las Vegas ♪
Bitch, you stand up for me
with Whitney, okay?
How have I not stood up for you
with Whitney?
First of all, I wouldn't even
be talking to her.
Jen's version of a good friend
is just, like, a henchman.
You're on my team, or you're dead to me.
So you guys be on Mary's side.
Be on Whitney's [bleep] side.
-I'm not on anybody's side.
-That's fine. I don't give a [bleep].
Goodbye.
No one tells me who to be friends with.
-Whitney, shut the [bleep] up.
-That's not necessary.
-It's not necessary?
-Don't sit here.
-Whoa. Jen.
-Don't hit me.
-I don't feel safe right now.
-I would never, ever
say anything or get in between
anybody's marriage.
Bull [bleep]
Who doesn't trust Jen? Raise your hand.
Who doesn't trust Heather?
Raise your hand.
[Heather] I went to Vegas
to have a great time with Jen,
and I'm leaving not sure
that she was ever my friend.
You're the only one
that reached out to me after Vegas.
Listen, I'm like you. I wanna be loyal,
but my feelings can evolve.
After Vegas, I'm like,
"Jen, we should meet up."
A few days ago, you felt
that she was creating
a very bad space in your life.
-Um
-It's a disconnect for me.
-You came at me, like, violently.
-I didn't even see that.
And, like, pushed me and stormed off.
I cannot move forward unless you own it.
What would you like me to own?
Just own it! You have not shown up for me!
Alright. Before I get
into some of the heat,
Meredith, what inspired your mask
-at Heather's grand opening?
-[laughs]
So the mask was actually It was a lot
It was sort of meant to be funny and fun.
-It's different. It's a statement.
-And clairvoyant, I might add.
-Yeah. Are you psychic?
-Like, absolutely, it was a prophecy.
'Cause that was pre-COVID.
-Pre, which is amazing.
-Yeah.
-You guys wrapped right before lockdown.
-The weekend before.
Isn't that incredible?
-Yes. Thank God.
-Yep.
Jen, uh, you were in charge
of the fun committee, which I love.
-CEO of fun.
-CEO of fun.
Why were you still mad at Whitney,
heading on the trip to Vegas?
She apologized for you for what happened
at Sharrieff's birthday party,
and you forgave her.
She apologized for doing it at
The location and the time
was not the right
And I said, "I accept your apology."
She said, "But the people
you think are your friends,
Meredith and Lisa, are talking about you."
Going to Vegas, I'm like, okay,
what's, you know, what's going on?
Like, we'll find it out here,
because everybody will be here.
Is forgiving hard for you or
No, it's not. I'm very, very forgiving.
I just need closure on it.
Whitney, at dinner,
when Jen started yelling at you,
I have to assume that you were surprised.
I was shocked, and to be honest,
I thought I had dodged the huge bullet
because Lisa and I apologized
to each other, moved forward,
and had what I thought was a great time.
-That's what we I thought too.
-You can see me come into Heather's room,
like, skipping and dancing
because I'm like,
finally, Lisa and I
can agree on something.
So I was surprised. I think you can see it
on my face, 'cause I was like
Something came up with the women
a lot this season where they felt like
you were saying people had to take sides,
like you're either friends
with me or you're not.
There's no middle ground.
Who here feels Jen preaches loyalty
but doesn't show it back?
-Thanks, Lisa.
-You're welcome.
Can I ask you a "yes" or "no"
simple question?
Yes.
If I treated you the way you treated me,
would you feel
that I was a loyal friend to you?
Yes or no?
-No.
-Thank you.
But it wasn't just me,
and I feel like you're just blaming me.
-No, I'm asking you.
-Because I was an easy target.
-I'm asking.
-That's all.
It was a group effort.
But Meredith wants to only hold me
accountable, and that's fine.
-No, I just asked a question.
-No, I don't think
she's only holding you accountable.
-I asked you a question.
-I just wanna move on from it.
And I answered it.
Meredith, at Heather's grand opening,
you seemed pretty upset
that Lisa was befriending Jen.
It seemed like you wanted her
to choose a side.
-No.
-But wasn't that the same reason
why you got mad at Jen
during the '20s party?
Um, I did not tell Lisa to choose a side.
I was just expressing that I felt like
you just had all this confirmation
that Jen is saying things about me
that are harmful to my family,
and you're seeking it out,
and it just hurt my feelings.
Are you hurt by Lisa and Jen's friendship?
I can't say it necessarily hurts me.
-I don't get it.
-You don't understand it. Okay.
Alright. Well, Heather,
we watched you defend Jen all season.
At the party for Beauty Lab,
you guys agreed to move forward.
Jen apologized to you.
Yeah, she hang out with me
till, like, 3 a.m.
We had, like, when we're together,
we have a great time.
The hard part about Jen Shah is,
she is as fabulous
as she is horrifying. [laughs]
That's just how I feel
about my friendship.
Like, I-I wanna be friends,
but I don't wanna be friends
under the terms of me
just eating [bleep] all the time.
Well, that's the thing is,
I feel like I've ate [bleep].
-I feel like
-I'm sure you do, but you haven't.
In the hot springs, I said,
"Heather, if you don't tell me
that you're feeling a certain type of way,
I-I can't read your mind,"
and you said, "Yeah, I know."
"That's one of the things I'm working on,
Having my voice and everything."
Yeah, I got you. What I was letting go
were absolute horrific, horrible,
mean, low-blow things
-you've said about me behind my back.
-That's not true.
Listen, I'm sorry
that I didn't bring that up to you
that that bothered me, but guess what?
-That bothers me to accuse you of that.
-I am not gonna be accused of stuff.
Tell her one. Tell her one.
Okay. Um, "She buys
off-the-rack at Dress Barn."
"She thinks she's an actress.
The only role she's going to get
is that of a manatee or Shrek."
"She buys off-the-rack at Dress Barn."
"She thinks she's an actress.
The only role she's going to get
is that of a manatee or Shrek."
You know you said it, babe.
Are you doing that because you're reacting
to what's on the show?
I'm reacting to some
I don't I don't just do it.
I'm telling you,
it's because of something.
-I don't remember. I-I don't remember.
-What it is. Well, let me ask you this.
When you were all together,
a very big moment was,
when you were at the hypnotist,
and she said,
"Who doesn't trust Heather?"
-[scoffs]
-And Jen raised her hand.
I think that was a big
turning point for you.
-Yeah.
-Yeah.
I raised my hand because
we had met at the hot springs.
You expressed to me how you were feeling,
and I had no idea, and and
You were shocked that I would be upset
that you had been
-horribly saying things about me.
-No.
And that I hadn't brought
to your attention until that moment.
At the hot tubs, Heather, you said,
"Jen, I've been a horrible friend."
No, I said I haven't been a good friend
'cause I haven't been honest
about me knowing what you've been doing
and me saying it's not okay.
I said, "Heather, talk to me.
If you feel a certain way,
you have to say something to me."
Mary, what was your opinion
on Jen not trusting Heather,
knowing how loyal Heather had been to her?
-Did you fall asleep?
-No, I-I
It's okay if you did.
It's happened before.
I didn't fall asleep, I don't think.
-I-I think you might have.
-I think you zoned.
-Yeah.
-But I-I heard your question.
-Yeah. What was it?
-You said, um,
what did I think about
when Jen raised her hand
at the loyalty for Heather.
And I feel like Jen was hurt,
so she was doing it as a dig.
-Alright. Okay. She came back. Alright.
-So [exhales deeply]
-Right on the money too.
-Wow.
-Oh, Lord.
-So, Jen, did you not trust her
because you were surprised
by what she had to say
in the hot springs?
That took you by surprise?
There was that at the hot springs,
then in Vegas,
that was out of line for me to do.
At the moment, I went back
in my head into Sharrieff's party
because everybody decided to use his party
as a platform to talk about whatever,
so that's why I was so upset.
Then when you came
to visit the next morning in the room,
and said, "The ladies
are talking about you."
"I had to defend you,"
and I was like, what is going on?
And then we walk into the hypnotist place.
When I walked in,
and the second I walked in,
the lady was like,
"You're a bully. Don't talk."
She's like, "Tell the truth.
You tell the truth," and I'm like
I So I was being honest.
I was raising my hand like,
"Heather, what's going on?"
[Heather] I mean, but the but me
So how was I different from Whitney
or Meredith or Lisa in that moment?
I cared more about you.
After what went down in Las Vegas,
I was all alone. Everybody labeled me.
Everybody went in on me.
I was [bleep] devastated.
Mary would know. We're
I'm a woman of color.
It means something different
to be told, "Don't talk."
If I tried to speak, "No, no,
you're a bully. Be quiet."
They see you as a bully,
as a bully manipulator.
I can tell by the way everybody
looks like they feel
that there's a strategy involved.
You know, to be told to do that,
I was [bleep] devastated.
To be told you're a piece of [bleep]
for 4.5 hours
when you're [bleep] hurting?
-I would have got up and left.
-It was literally like this.
-I wouldn't have sat through that. Please.
-That's why I had to meet with you.
That took me back, like, 30, 40 years.
That's [bleep] PTSD
that people don't understand.
What have they done
that have made you feel marginalized?
Telling me I'm aggressive
before things happen.
-Has nothing to do with it.
-You're aggressive right now.
This is aggressive.
Telling a woman of color she's aggressive
and using these terms?
It is very dangerous!
You don't know
because you're not in those shoes!
And I didn't even wanna go here
because this is hurtful
when you make accusations
to a colored woman,
and you say, "Oh, know what?
You threatened my life."
Because the percentage chances
of a colored person going to jail
-But you threatened my life.
-are much higher!
It's on the camera.
She said, "If you tell anyone, I will
bury you in your lake behind your house."
-Yeah.
-Wait, what?
She said the only reason that she's, like,
not dead in the lake behind her house
is her friendship with me.
-Threatened her life. Made accusations.
-Cameras got it.
And I didn't take it serious
I say I'm gonna slit my wrists
all the time
That's okay! Andy, if Jen Shah said,
"I'ma cut a bitch,"
you guys'd have me
[bleep] handcuffed!
-There is a double standard!
-Jen, I never
-You're not in my shoes!
-You also said you would fight her.
-Okay, so there is a double standard.
-You said "I'm gonna hit her."
-There is a double standard!
-There is a double standard.
I wanna hear what Mary has to say
about what Jen said.
Well, I know Jen has been cruel
and stuff and that,
but you do get that vibe
from Whitney and Heather.
I feel like it's "inbredded"
that they're better than women
people of color.
Like, white girl privilege.
I get it. I know it exists,
but, like, you're my girl,
so, like, if that's happening
I know, but I'm telling you guys
because we need to come
We need to come from a place of education!
I'm not here to [bleep]
-tell you something!
-I don't want you to educate me.
-Oh, you don't?! Then that
-I don't want you to slander me
on social media, either!
This has nothing to do with social media!
I am trying to tell you something!
When have I marginalized you, babe?
Just tell me.
I'm not pointing fingers at you,
-because right now
-Because it feels pretty targeted.
I hear you. I understand
that there's different opportunities.
It's a different ballgame
for white women
You guys don't know. That is the point,
and I'm not saying that you're
I'm trying to tell you
I'm trying to learn.
I don't think anybody here
denies white privilege.
I think we all know that it exists.
-Yes.
-I think that the real issue comes in
that making an accusation to someone
that they are racist,
especially in our current environment
-How can you Exactly.
-Can I finish, please?
-Exactly.
-Can I just finish, please?
Making a racial accusation
in our current environment
is a huge statement.
I didn't wanna get into this [bleep]
because it is painful!
And you do not know!
[sniffles] Okay.
[crying] Can you get my husband?
Hey. Are you still here?
The racist accusation just came up.
[crying loudly]
Come on, come on.
It's okay Come on, baby.
-[crying]
-Okay, babe.
[sobbing] They don't understand
how painful this [bleep] is! I just
It's so hard to sit there.
They're [bleep] going in on me,
and I'm like,
-this is one of the issues right here.
-Right.
You are telling
I'm telling you how I felt.
You don't know me
because you're not a person of color.
Your kids aren't Black.
Your husband's not Black.
You don't see the pain
and the [bleep] discrimination
and the [bleep] that's gone on
in this world forever!
I was the one being threatened
and accused,
but I guess I'm just trying to understand
how to swallow this one.
To show up and be told,
"Be quiet while we all tell you
you're a piece of [bleep].
Don't talk while we accuse you
of things you didn't do. Don't talk"?
Do you know what that means?!
[hyperventilating]
It means something different for us.
Some people can't listen.
Some people won't listen.
They brought it up,
and so I'm trying to tell them why,
and they won't even listen, and it is
This is what we've been fighting for
for so many years,
and it's in my own circle.
-[exhales deeply]
-It's okay. I know, I know.
-I'ma walk with you.
-[groans]
-If there's absolutely any last looks
-How you doing?
-I'm okay. Sorry, I just had to
-No. It's I understand.
back on set, we are going going.
Okay, so we are back. Um
-What are you feeling?
-Um, Coach Shah knows.
We've lived through this all.
It's very painful for our family
and loved ones.
And he just said, "Baby, not everybody
understands it," and I said,
"I know," and if we're gonna have change,
we have to, you know,
just make people aware of it,
and I'm not saying you guys are wrong.
I'm just telling you why that hurts
a person of color, and I get it.
Growing up in Utah, you guys,
you wouldn't know because it that's
I've dealt with it my whole life.
I'm sure, Mary, you have too.
It is what it is, but I'm part
of the problem because I don't speak up.
But I just think the movement
made it possible for
people were willing to listen
more than they were before.
I've learned a lot the past year.
I think a lot of people have,
and I think it's great. I think it's good,
and it needs to get better.
And you know that I champion that.
You know that I want to do whatever I can.
Well, you know, I will say
we've had one great success tonight.
I loved seeing Mary and Jen
-Make up.
-you know, have some common ground.
-It's nice.
-And I loved seeing
-Robert Sr. and Sharrieff
-Sharrieff.
-Yeah.
-You know?
I thought that was really cool.
I'm wondering if there's one thing
that you've learned
from watching yourself on this show.
Start with you, Lisa.
I really wanna work on listening more.
I talk a lot, and I think I'm definitely
gonna work on listening more.
Okay. Mary?
The way I could say things
and the way I say things
can come across offensive or wrong,
and I need to really kind of tune in more
to how it's expressed
and conveyed and explained.
-Jen Shah?
-[smacks lips] Um
I need to work on my communication
and making sure
that my group of friends feel
that they can come to me, trust me,
and not feel threatened or afraid.
-Whitney?
-My timing and delivery.
I need to learn how to own my voice
and speak clear and more confidently.
Meredith?
Um, I just wanna say, you know,
last winter, I treated
every single woman here
with kindness and respect,
and I do not feel that I was treated
the same as what I gave.
And it's disappointing.
Um, I will say that
Whitney and Heather both called me
immediately, apologizing.
Jen, tonight was the first time
I actually felt like
you gave me a genuine apology.
Um, I appreciate that, but
apologies don't make things just go away,
and I will forgive everyone
because that's for me.
I have to move forward,
and I know you like to ask,
"How do you move forward?"
So I'm gonna offer it.
-Trust needs to be earned.
-Mm-hmm.
And that's fair.
-Heather?
-I hope that I can speak up
and embrace everyone exactly
where they are and not, um, hold back.
Well, I have good news for you.
I know you love meat in Utah.
[indistinct chatter]
Meat lollipop.
How many licks does it take?
-[laughs]
-Oh, my God.
-We've got some meatballs coming in.
-You do?
-It's been a long night.
-I'm hungry.
-Oh, look how well
-Oh, Mary ♪
-Oh, and they're warm.
-I mean,
I don't wanna make this all about me,
but, you guys, come on.
Um Jen Shah, you're the CEO of fun.
Why don't you lead us in a meatball toast?
Toasting to a great reunion,
understanding each other.
We've all come a long way.
I think we'll be better from this.
To meeting in the middle.
I'm gonna say to "How many licks?"
-[laughter]
-To "How many licks?" Alright.
Mmm. Thanks for a great season.
-[whirring]
-Oh, my God.
-You guys, it's snowing!
-[cheering]
-Oh!
-Oh, my God!
-So magical.
-Wow!
-This is amazing.
-The first reunion snow,
and it looks heavy over Meredith.
I am definitely getting
a little bit wet over here.
Wow!
-Cool.
-There's a lot of it.
It's snowing!
-Whoo!
-That's so cool.
This is kind of epic.
-My hair's gonna frizz.
-Don't think that's snow.
[groans]
-This is amazing!
-[cheering]