I Am Cait (2015) s02e07 Episode Script
Kiss And Make-up
1 CAITLYN: It looks like we'll have another guest.
- Someone I know intimately.
- CANDIS: Kris.
- Really? - KATE: Is she being good to you? CAITLYN: She's been fine.
KRIS: I definitely took it personally.
- JENNY: She tell you early on? - KRIS: No.
CAITLYN: I certainly said I had gender issues - and that I was on hormones.
- KRIS: I didn't know until all of this.
I couldn't have given you - the definition of transgender.
- CAITLYN: Let me finish, - let me finish.
- KRIS: Until six months ago.
- CAITLYN: Let me finish.
- KRIS: Okay, you're being stubborn, that's fine.
CAITLYN: There's really a lot I want to get off my chest with Kris, and I'm afraid if I don't have it now, um, I'll probably never have the conversation.
KRIS: Coming! - KRIS: Hello.
- CAITLYN: Uh you're ready to go? - All packed up? - KRIS: Yeah, just packing my stuff up - how are you? Thanks for last night! - CAITLYN: Did you have fun last night? - Yeah! - CAITLYN: Before you go, you got time? KRIS: I got a little bit of time.
CAITLYN: Um, so, your impressions of everybody? KRIS: It was really interesting meeting everybody, and just, you know, kind of seeing, like, what kind of group of girls you have around you.
- I've had my friends my entire life, some of them.
- CAITLYN: Oh, I know.
KRIS: And you know? They're everything.
- CAITLYN: Yeah.
- KRIS: And I think one thing that I was thinking about you - is you never had friends.
- CAITLYN: No.
KRIS: Ever.
And I would get so annoyed with you when my girlfriends would come over to the house for a drink and you would just sit there, and I would go, "Okay!" - I didn't get it.
- CAITLYN: Well, 'cause I, you know, - I never - KRIS: And now CAITLYN: It was always frustrating to me because I never, uh, never had felt like I ever fit in any place until recently, - no, I - KRIS: So, I think that for you to have girlfriends makes us really happy.
CAITLYN: I've never been more happy in my life than I have in the last six months.
KRIS: I know that you're having, like, the greatest time, but I think that you forget that there's also things, you know, that are really sad that are going on at home.
CAITLYN: Like what? KRIS: It's just, there's a lot.
There's just, it's a lot and I can't - CAITLYN: What's what's going on at home that's sad? - KRIS: It's, you know, Lamar's so sick, - so sick.
- CAITLYN: Oh, I know.
KRIS: And he's not really getting better.
- And it's really bad.
- CAITLYN: Here.
KRIS: Thanks.
We spent a lot of time there, and then Khloe got sick, and then, you know, Kourtney's been struggling with the whole Scott thing, and Kim's has her baby situation going on and, you know, we're worried about trying to get the baby turned around, 'cause right now he's breech, and she's got her issues with her whole uterus.
Kendall got sick, which she had to go see, like, an infectious disease doctor.
She caught something in Brazil.
So, you know, it's like, everybody has a lot going on.
But I know that for you, sometimes, you check out.
CAITLYN: Well, I do.
Um, I I agree with that.
KRIS: You know, you are the greatest person when you're engaged and you're present, but when you disconnect, you're kind of out of sight, out of mind.
And so, I just didn't want that to happen to you and the kids.
I don't want to see you check out.
CAITLYN: To be honest with you, I do.
But, um, I'm a better person today than I was a year ago.
- I've learned a lot about myself.
- KRIS: Right.
CAITLYN: I don't want our 23 years together to be a "checking out" on it.
- KRIS: Then that's everything.
- CAITLYN: Yeah.
KRIS: I just don't want to see you, um, disconnect from - all the kids.
- CAITLYN: Well, that's what I don't want.
KRIS: Yeah, I got to tell you, when Kim brought me some of your clothes - that you were throwing away - CAITLYN: I know, I know.
- I I saw that.
- KRIS: I was so sad because I thought, "Wait a minute, I spent 23 years building this fabulous wardrobe.
" (chuckles): I was Who knew I was buying the wrong (bleep)? - CAITLYN: I know that made - KRIS: Oh, my God.
CAITLYN: I know.
Um, you know, for the last four months, five months, I've had lawyers, and people, and everything going through name change, but I finally got my driver's license.
KRIS: Oh, you did? What does it say Caitlyn? - CAITLYN: Yeah.
Caitlyn Marie - KRIS: What's your ? - CAITLYN: Caitlyn Marie Jenner.
- KRIS: Oh, Marie, - and it says that on your driver's license? - CAITLYN: Yeah, yeah.
With, uh, gender marker F.
KRIS: Wow.
I didn't know they could do that.
CAITLYN: You can go all the way back - to your birth certificate and change that.
- KRIS: Stop.
CAITLYN: And I did.
KRIS: You changed your birth certificate? CAITLYN: Yes.
Passport's in the process.
And it was kind of KRIS: That's kind of sad, though.
CAITLYN: But I feel like, - I've come out this other side - KRIS: Wait a second, does this mean that he didn't exist? - CAITLYN: No.
Well - KRIS: If you changed the birth certificate? KRIS: Wait, was I ever married? Was I legally married? JENNY: What's gonna happen here? BARTENDER: I'm gonna give you a shot, - and I'm gonna put my boobs in your face.
- (Jenny babbling) (women cheering, whooping) SCOTT: I'm just alone with my thoughts every night and - CAITLYN: Yeah.
- SCOTT: It's a very tough feeling, feeling isolated.
CAITLYN: Do you ever see a reconciliation, you and Kourt? KRIS: Security guards are out front, and a guy comes barreling into my office, and he says, "Can I have a hug and a kiss?" CANDIS: Oh, my God.
That is so scary.
KRIS: Wait, was I ever married? Was I legally married? CAITLYN: Yes.
- We did all that.
- KRIS (laughs): Oh, my God.
Wow.
CAITLYN: Yeah.
I would like to think of it as that person still lives inside me, and that today, I'm a better person because of it.
And I have been fortunate enough to kind of get rid of all that bitterness and see a much softer side of me come out, - which I think - KRIS: It's a good thing.
CAITLYN: is really important, - you know? - KRIS: Yeah.
- CAITLYN: Um - KRIS: You just don't seem as angry.
- CAITLYN: I'm not.
- KRIS: I think you had a lot of that - going on a little bit.
- CAITLYN: Oh, I did.
I never was able to have privacy to be myself.
- KRIS: Oh.
Yeah.
- CAITLYN: If you know what I'm saying? CAITLYN: I think over the last couple of years, you were frustrated with me, I was frustrated with myself.
And so, um, you know, I just want to apologize, I think, for a lot the times, the way I acted.
Um, it didn't have to be that way.
- I think, going forward from here - KRIS: Mm-hmm.
CAITLYN: I would always want you in my life.
Okay? KRIS: First, I appreciate the apology that's really nice of, for you to say that.
And I, believe me, I get the "no privacy" thing.
I don't have any privacy, either, and Kim and Kanye moved back in and - I've got North living there and - CAITLYN: Yeah.
KRIS: So I get it.
And if I wanted to do something that I didn't want anybody else to know about, it would be very difficult for me.
I have a hard time finding a place to, you know, have five minutes to myself, so I get that.
And I get how frustrating that would be.
So, when you put it like that, - that makes sense to me.
- CAITLYN: Yeah.
I would hope that our relationship going forward, although very different, can be a really good relationship.
- That's my wish.
- KRIS: And that's everything, and that's why I'm here, I came to check up on you.
'Cause I still love you and - CAITLYN: All right.
- KRIS: the kids adore you.
CAITLYN: Maybe at some point, we'll renew our vows.
KRIS: What? (Caitlyn laughs) KRIS: Do I get another diamond? - CAITLYN: I don't want you to get your hopes up.
- Right (Laughs) I'll need a diamond, too.
KRIS: Oh, my God, this is gonna get very expensive.
CAITLYN: It's, it's gonna get very complicated and very expensive.
Neither Kris or I were our best selves in our relationship at the end.
When you're in a relationship, there's a lot of things that go wrong.
And for the things that I was responsible for, uh, I have no problem apologizing for those mistakes.
By the way, I have to admit.
KRIS: What? CAITLYN: You know, that birthday present you got me, um, that Chanel bag rocks it.
KRIS: I know.
- CAITLYN: Where'd you ? - KRIS: That was a good one.
Saks.
CAITLYN: Khloe got me a very nice bag, I told 'em I needed bags, and I didn't get one golf shirt.
- I didn't get a pair - KRIS: I can get you some for Christmas.
Well, uh, but the right ones now.
- KRIS: I know, we never knew what to get you.
- (Caitlyn laughs) I definitely look at this whole situation a lot differently after having spent some time with these girls, and I understand a little bit more about the journey that Caitlyn's on.
It's a very powerful place that she's in.
Life is starting to be what I feel like she's always wanted it to be, and that makes me happy too.
- All right.
Good-bye.
- CAITLYN: I'll see you later.
Good-bye - and have a good flight.
- KRIS: Thanks for letting me - in on your party.
- CAITLYN: Okay, I'm glad you got to meet everybody.
KRIS: Me too.
- CAITLYN: Till then.
- KRIS: All right.
CANDIS: Yes, I'm ready to chow down.
I had a couple cocktails last night with Kris Jenner.
She led me on a dark path.
(Candis sighs) But she was she was great.
It was nice to meet her.
You can tell why they have still have a little, like, thing together.
- You know what I mean? - KATE: They do, they do.
CANDIS: Yeah.
KATE: I want johnnycakes.
CANDIS: Oh, gosh, my dad used to make johnnycakes.
- KATE: Yeah? - CANDIS: Yeah.
KATE: You're big on family, right? Would you like to have a family, maybe kids? - CANDIS: Uh, yeah.
- KATE: You would.
CANDIS: Yeah.
KATE: That's what I want to see for you.
CANDIS: Well, I haven't found the love that I want to find.
Yet.
I'm at the point now where I desire to meet someone that I can actually have a conversation with, that I have something in common with, somebody that I can play Scrabble with.
And also someone that I could eventually have a family with.
That can bring, you know, bring that relationship to that next level.
'Cause I'll just as soon sit in my house with my dogs and, you know, garden.
(Chuckles) KATE: Excuse me, let's go right there.
Someone who motivates me.
- CANDIS: Yeah.
- KATE: You've got to be - someone who motivates you, my baby.
- CANDIS: Yeah.
KATE: If having family is something that you want go have a family.
Just be open to different ways it could happen.
You don't have to wait for a man.
CANDIS: I think that Kate is right.
Things don't have to fall in a certain order to make them happen.
So, like, if I want a child, why is it that I have to wait for the perfect marriage - or meeting the right person? - KATE: This is a big step for anyone.
CANDIS: It's huge for me.
KATE: Yeah.
CANDIS: I have a lot of good things going on, you know? I have a career that I love, I have a family that I love, I'm a stable, kind of grounded person, and I think I would make a really good parent.
And so, um, why should I have to wait? KATE: Now's your opportunity.
(bell dinging) CAITLYN: We're ready to get dirty! Look at those little babies.
This is where they started off, in the bucket.
- CANDIS (laughing): Oh, gosh.
- CAITLYN: And then they worked to this pot.
CANDIS: Oh, look at those guys.
MAN: This'll be a crawfish.
JENNY: He's alive, um, but not for much longer.
I think we should pardon the crawfish.
We're gonna pardon this guy.
Let him live? Who wants the crawfish to live? Raise your hands.
Who wants to eat him? My friend, Bornstein.
COURTNEY: Gosh, so much work just to eat.
CANDIS: Cait, that was a fun night last night with Kris.
How did you feel about, like, hanging out with her and ? CAITLYN: After last night, I had a very nice conversation with her.
- CANDIS: Oh, you did? - CAITLYN: This morning, before she left.
You know, I I apologized for, you know, over the last three or four years of our relationship, you know, wasn't that good, and I was just as frustrated in the relationship as she was.
It was just good, you know, let bygones kind of be bygones, and I'm glad we got that meeting out of the way.
JENNY: I'm thankful for that.
- CHANDI: Which is great.
- CANDIS: So great.
- CAITLYN: Happy Thanksgiving to all.
- CANDIS: Happy Thanksgiving.
JENNY: Caitlyn acknowledged to Kris that she was not emotionally available during their marriage.
She took responsibility.
That's kind of a "Hallelujah" moment.
That's the kind of emotional growth that her friends have been rooting for.
My friends! It's been, uh, it's been, uh, a great a great journey, and, uh, I'm grateful to all of you.
So, uh, this is my little gift to you.
I'm a little sad.
The road trip's just about over, and we are going back to Los Angeles for the Thanksgiving break.
So fair you well my dear old friends I never might see you more Caitlyn really changed over the course of this trip.
She took responsibility for some of her mistakes.
She's becoming a more complex, open person.
I just hope that the process of self-discovery doesn't stop once we're off the bus.
When we get back to L.
A.
, I want her to continue to become a better version of who she is.
- (whooping) - WOMAN: CANDIS: What's your name? - (Candis laughs) - JENNY: What's gonna happen here? SHOT GIRL: - JENNY: Okay.
- (Whooping) JENNY: That's what I'm talking about! (whoops) - (alarm chirping) - SCOTT: What's with all the beeping? CAITLYN: I think it's the batteries.
I got to find it.
- (chirping) - SCOTT: Ooh! - This w - CAITLYN: Shh! Shh.
Shh.
(Chirping) WOMAN: In an independent adoption, you're gonna have to disclose that you're transgender.
CANDIS: Ignorance, transphobia.
I've been living my life this way for so many years, I don't even think about it anymore, but apparently other people do.
CAITLYN: We are coming up on Christmas, baby! - Look what I got! - JENNY: It's not just, like, a little gingerbread it's, like, a gingerbread mansion.
CAITLYN: Guess who bought it and sent it over to the house.
JENNY: It was not Scott Disick.
CAITLYN: Not Scott Disick, no.
Kris Jenner.
JENNY: Ms.
Kris Jenner.
Really cool.
So, Caitlyn, my friend Marci Bowers is coming in ten.
CAITLYN: Actually, I'm very excited about meeting her.
- JENNY: Good.
- CAITLYN: Um, I feel a little uncomfortable talking about that issue.
JENNY: Dr.
Marci Bowers has been my friend for a dozen years, and she is a surgeon who performs SRS, or gender confirmation surgery.
She's also a trans woman herself.
Here's what I can tell you about my own experience with with surgery.
One, it was really important for me.
The sense of, "Oh, I'm finally whole, I'm finally me.
" At at peace and at rest within the body that I always wanted.
And I've never regretted having surgery for one day, not one hour, never.
- CAITLYN: Yeah.
- JENNY: The results were remarkable.
I know this is maybe too much information, but it's it's nothing to be ashamed of.
CAITLYN: Um, that's something that, uh, right now, I feel a little uncomfortable talking about that issue.
JENNY: (sighs) When I've talked to Caitlyn about dating, she always says, "Well, I can't imagine a man being in this world and the kind of things that, you know, the tabloids would say about them.
" Or she talks about how her kids would be hurt.
CANDIS: Would it be harder for you to be dating a man, as opposed to a woman, on the kids or vice versa? CAITLYN: I think it might be a little bit tougher on the girls if it was, um, a guy.
Yeah, if I was dating some guy, they would go, "Wow.
" JENNY: I don't believe it.
I think that's I think that's uh, I think that's an excuse.
And when it comes to the surgery, I know she's thinking about it.
KRIS: CAITLYN: - KRIS: What? - CAITLYN: - KRIS: - CAITLYN: JENNY: Look, I don't care whether she dates men, or she dates women, or whether she doesn't date anybody.
But she needs to find her truth.
And find the words to express that truth.
Are you reluctant to learn more about this? CAITLYN: Um Um how do I answer that? Uh that, to me, is really uncomfortable.
JENNY: I'm gonna ask you a question, you tell me if this is too personal.
You had this beautiful - face work done.
- CAITLYN: Right.
JENNY: And when I first walked through the door last spring and I saw you, I was like, "Holy cow, she's a knockout!" Um, that was more important to you CAITLYN: For me, it was important, my appearance and my presentation was important.
And they continue to be, the clothes, the this, the that.
CAITLYN: I know being a woman is a lot more than that, and I know for a lot of people in this community, that's not that important.
Just being themselves is important.
JENNY: You know, that's and and actually, what you're describing is, is certainly not atypical of people that I know.
- CAITLYN: Yeah.
- JENNY: Um, for me, having SRS was really important.
- CAITLYN: More power to you.
- JENNY: Um, and I know other people who don't want the surgery, or any surgery.
And I know other who want it desperately and can't afford it.
CAITLYN: Probably the most private thing for a transperson to talk about is, you know, like, way down there, what's happening.
But, um, why not, Marci? She is a transwoman, so of course I would want to meet her, I want to hear her story, uh, but also, she's one of the best surgeons out there for this type of surgery.
JENNY: Well, anyway, so we'll talk to Marci and, uh, see what she has to say.
It's just, um, knowledge is power.
CANDIS: Nice swing.
- CAITLYN: That's all you got to say, is "nice swing"? - (Candis laughs) - CANDIS: That's a big stick.
- CAITLYN: Thank you.
- CANDIS: That's a lot.
- CAITLYN: Nobody's told me that in a long time.
See the red flag? - CANDIS: Uh-huh.
- CAITLYN: That's what we're trying to get it in.
CANDIS: Oh, okay.
- CAITLYN: See, soon as you - (Candis laughs) Soon as you I knew it.
Soon as you got out here, you were gonna go "I'm gonna kill this.
" There it goes, right down the middle.
Isn't that amazing? What did you think of the whole trip, did you have fun? CANDIS: Yeah.
I was actually doing a lot of thinking on the trip about the trajectory of my life as far as family is concerned, you know? It's like, you have such a full life with your kids, and Adopting or fostering is so appealing to me.
- You know? - CAITLYN: Yeah.
I get that.
- CANDIS: Damn it! - CAITLYN: Damn.
CANDIS: So, I don't really know what to do.
Is it even possible for, like, a middle-aged transwo (breaks off into laughter) - CAITLYN: To adopt? - CANDIS: To adopt? CAITLYN: Look into it, find out, I don't know.
- CANDIS: I don't know.
- CAITLYN: Your life would be really full.
- CANDIS: I'd like to have the option.
- CAITLYN: Yeah.
Actually, we should look into that.
First of all, you'd make a great mother.
For me, family is everything.
So, yeah, I think it's good that she's, uh, thinking about this kind of stuff.
I don't want her sitting around, waiting for Mr.
Right.
Maybe it's time for her to do it on her own.
I'll be by your side every step of the way.
(birds singing) The last six months of my life have been really enlightening for myself.
But one thing I'm really not comfortable with is is talking about this issue of, you know, gender confirmation s uh, surgery.
But, um, I'm meeting with Marci Bowers.
She's one of the best surgeons out there for this type of surgery.
Jenny s set this up.
Uh, it's a good thing, I uh, she's a transwoman, of course I would want to meet her.
Uh, but to be honest with you, I you know, I'm quite nervous about this.
(knocking at door) CANDIS: To have a family and have kids, - that's the dream.
- KRIS: You would make a great mommy.
You should go for it.
And you don't even have to get pregnant, you little brat.
(Candis laughs) CANDIS: Trying to go into motherhood and being rejected by office buildings and the government I don't know if I can do that, you know what I mean? (birds singing) - (knocking at door) - CAITLYN: Come on in! We got a lot to talk about, let's sit down.
JENNY: Well, Caitlyn, I've wanted you to meet Marci forever.
She's obviously an expert in the field of, um, gender reassignment surgery.
Is that is that the proper term? DR.
MARCI: The politically correct term is either "genital reassignment surgery" - or "gender confirmation surgery.
" - CAITLYN: Okay.
Why do you think it is that the media is fixated on the "the surgery?" DR.
MARCI: Well, this is what we this is what we say when I speak to audiences around the w - around the country - CAITLYN: Yeah.
DR.
MARCI: When is the last time you passed a stranger on the street and knew with 100% certainty - what their genitalia looked like? - CAITLYN: Yeah.
- Right.
- DR.
MARCI: The fact is, you make assumptions every single day.
So all I do, in the work I perform, is we just match up the the soul with the body, basically, uh CAITLYN: What do you think is the percentage of of the community, of the trans community that actually goes through the final surgery? DR.
MARCI: Few years ago, I heard it was only 20%, and I mean, it's expensive, to be and so it's about $25,000 out of pocket - CAITLYN: Yeah.
- DR.
MARCI: that somebody has to pay.
JENNY: It's one reason why I had to wait until I was 40.
Because I just, I just didn't have - DR.
MARCI: It's a lot.
- JENNY: I had been saving, I'd been saving money my whole life.
DR.
MARCI: This surgery, the male to female surgery DR.
MARCI: is easily as much art as it is science.
So, in terms of genitalia, everything that a man has, a woman has as well.
And so, really, that's the basis of the surgery, is that embryologically, there is a transition from female anatomy to male anatomy.
And so when you're doing the reverse, you just simply undo all of the steps.
CAITLYN: Um, your sexual experience is it still there, is it gonna work? DR.
MARCI: The the vast, vast majority are able to orgasm.
- CAITLYN: Oh, okay.
- DR.
MARCI: So, the clitoris, even though it's reduced in size from its old glory CAITLYN: Right, from it's old glory.
DR.
MARCI: um, is, um, is still very, very sensitive.
- DR.
MARCI: But - CAITLYN: Which is basically the clitoris is the head of the penis? - DR.
MARCI: That's right.
- JENNY: Post-surgery - DR.
MARCI: Yes.
- JENNY: um, I had to get to know my - my body over - DR.
MARCI: Yes, that's also true.
- JENNY: in a completely new way.
- DR.
MARCI: As we say, as to make a musical metaphor, we say it's like "giving up the the trombone and picking up a violin.
" - (Caitlyn chuckles) - DR.
MARCI: You know.
You it's it's still the same music, but CAITLYN: Yeah, but different instrument.
JENNY: What would you say to someone who is thinking about surgery, but isn't quite sure? - DR.
MARCI: That's a great question, Jenny.
- CAITLYN: Yeah.
DR.
MARCI: And it's something that everyone has to wrestle with individually, of course.
'Cause it it is personal, and and, uh, you know, there are a lot of people who never end up having surgery, and yet they're still, you know, men or women.
JENNY: Would surgery help you? CAITLYN: Um possibly.
Yeah.
Possibly.
I have no idea what the future holds, but it is really interesting to talk about this issue with a doctor that's intelligent and obviously has been doing this for years.
So, yeah, there's a lot of questions to be answered in my future.
CANDIS: Thanks for coming.
- CAITLYN: No! - CANDIS: Oh, my God.
It's a little nerve-racking for me.
- CAITLYN: Is it really? - CANDIS: Yeah.
So, I've decided to take the first steps to see, uh, if I can get information in this adoption process.
DIANE: Hi, nice to meet you.
- CAITLYN: Nice to meet you.
- DIANE: Come on in.
- CANDIS: Thank you.
- CAITLYN: All right! CANDIS: There is this amazing lawyer, and she works primarily with the LGBT community.
CAITLYN: Thank you for taking this meeting.
CANDIS: Yeah.
I was asking Caitlyn the other day, "What are my options about adoption as a trans woman - in my 40s?" - DIANE: Okay.
CANDIS: So I would love to know about everything.
DIANE: So let's start tal There's a number of different kinds of adoptions in California.
So, you could do a foster adopt, where you become a foster parent.
Another way is doing an independent adoption, where you find a birth mother that's willing to place her child with you for adoption, and then the last way, which is, I think, the hardest, is an international adoption.
CANDIS: Really, it's the hardest? DIANE: Well, 'cause you're having to comply with not only the laws of this country for a home study, but the laws of whatever country you choose to adopt.
Most gays and lesbians who've adopted from foreign countries had to do so without being out of the closet.
- CANDIS: Wow.
- DIANE: So, - realistically - CAITLYN: Oh, really? DIANE: your best bet for adoption, and your most realistic, are doing it either an independent adoption or a foster adopt.
CANDIS: Have you ever worked with transgendered DIANE: I have, I have not done an independent adoption with transgender people.
Difficulty you're gonna have in an independent adoption is you're gonna have to disclose that you're transgender.
You've got to be matched with a birth mother that says, "I want my child raised by you.
" CANDIS: Wow.
I'm really nice! DIANE: And there are probably birth mothers out there who will do it, but it's gonna take - CANDIS: So it really is ? - DIANE: probably more effort than if you were that 40-year-old heterosexual couple.
- CANDIS: Right.
- DIANE: You know, with the dog and the white picket fence.
CANDIS: I thought going into this that the hardest part of it was going to be doing it, um, alone, but I'm realizing that, um, really, the hardest part of this adoption process is going to be being a trans woman and all the hoops that I have to jump over for that.
DIANE: If you have more questions, let me know.
- CANDIS: Okay, I will.
- DIANE: But you know there's some challenges, but there's some opportunities there, as well.
- CAITLYN: Thank you for you time.
- DIANE: My pleasure.
- CANDIS: Hi.
- CAITLYN: Hello! (Danson barking) - CANDIS: Oh, Danson! - CAITLYN: Oh, my gosh! The dogs are going crazy! - You're cooking! - CANDIS: I'm cooking! CAITLYN: I love that! Oh, my God, - Chandi is in the house! - CHANDI: Hi, baby! - CANDIS: Hi, honey.
- CHANDI: Ooh, it smells delicious in here.
- How are you doing? - CHANDI: I am great! CAITLYN: I have so missed you! All right, let's get something to eat I'm ready.
CHANDI: Wow.
So what else has been going on? - CANDIS: Well, I went - CHANDI: With Candis Cayne? - CANDIS: I went to this lawyer - CHANDI: Mm-hmm.
CANDIS: about adoptions.
CHANDI: So she provided you with lots of information that made you feel like it might be something that you will be interested in doing? CANDIS: It almost felt more daunting, because you still have the birth mother being able to know that you're trans and be able to say yes or no to who you are.
I can handle the idea of not being with someone - CHANDI: Mm-hmm.
- CANDIS: and being rejected by a guy, - you know what I mean? - CHANDI: Mm-hmm.
CANDIS: But I don't think I can handle trying to go into motherhood and being rejected by office buildings, and the government and, uh, potential mothers, like, I don't know if I can do that, you know what I mean? SCOTT: You're wearing a purse now, you can't do this.
CAITLYN: I'll get the light end.
SCOTT: See, this is why being a Jew is so much better.
All you got to do is carry a menorah.
CANDIS: For a trans woman to adopt, you have to disclose that you're trans.
- I'm just a little discouraged.
- KRIS: It's not easy.
If that's in your heart, you should just go for it.
CANDIS: I don't think I can handle trying to go into motherhood and being rejected by office buildings and the government and, uh, potential mothers, like, I don't know if I can do that.
Me being an undesirable person to have their kids be adopted to because I'm trans, it's hard for me t to think that way because I've been living my life this way for so many years I don't even think about it anymore.
But apparently, other people do.
It's irritating, because if I was born female to begin with, none of this would ever even be a consideration.
CAITLYN: Is it difficult? Absolutely.
But it's not an excuse not to do it.
CHANDI: You're allowing yourself to be placed in that space with the "what ifs.
" You're going after something like being a mom, that is so important for a little person.
- To be able to have that support.
- CAITLYN: And wouldn't she make - a great mom? - CHANDI: A great mom, so I don't want to hear you being Negative Nancy, uh, behind this.
If you're gonna look into it, and go into it, you need to go into it with an open mind, and not focus on any of the obstacles that you're gonna run into.
CANDIS: Ignorance, transphobia a lot of times, it's not the person that's wanting to beat you up, it's the behind the scenes, finding out who and what you are, and not allowing you to get the bank loan, or not allowing you to get the job, or not allowing you to adopt the children.
So, it's like, once again, another thing that I have to deal with because I'm trans.
SCOTT: CAITLYN: I'm good, let's get a Christmas tree.
SCOTT: Who better than a Jew to go Christmas shopping with? CAITLYN: I agree.
- SCOTT: Hand hug! - CAITLYN: Hand hug, look out! SCOTT: It's almost Hanukkah! Coming through, got a package, people! Your hands are much softer now.
- CAITLYN: Well, I just used lotion.
- SCOTT: Lot of moisturizer.
CAITLYN: See, you need a guy around to help lift things.
- SCOTT: You're still strong! - CAITLYN: It's just a chick thing, I know.
- SCOTT: But you're still strong, right? - CAITLYN: No, I'm not.
One thing I've learned on this trip is sometimes, I have the ability to kind of check out.
SCOTT: I haven't talked to you all night.
COURTNEY: Are you ignoring him? CAITLYN: No, I'm not ignoring him he's over there! SCOTT: I've spent more time with them than I have with you.
- CANDIS: Scott! - JENNY: I think he's upset.
CAITLYN: Life's too short.
I really wanted to, uh, reach out to Scott 'cause I don't want him to be alone during the holidays that's the worst thing that can happen.
SCOTT: That's kind of like what Kris gets, right? CAITLYN: Uh, she gets even bigger than that.
Anyway, yeah, no, so I got the, um, - invitation to the, uh, Christmas party.
- SCOTT: Well, of course.
No? - Was that ? - CAITLYN: You just don't know.
- SCOTT: Really? Well, same with me.
- CAITLYN: Well, but, uh, yeah, but how are you doing - with the whole holiday season? - SCOTT: Well, I mean, it's a little tough, I mean, you know, obviously without having my parents and anybody on my side of the family, and not really knowing if I'm going to spend it with - Kourtney and the kids.
- CAITLYN: Yeah, yeah.
SCOTT: But, it's a little hard for me, because I don't want people to, like, take pity on me, either, and they're just inviting me because I know, they know that all my family is dead.
You know, I just want people to invite me because they want to, not because they feel bad for me.
SCOTT: So it's hard, in that way, and I'm obviously not drinking or doing drugs, so I'm just alone with my thoughts every night, and it's tough.
SCOTT: It's a very tough feeling, feeling isolated.
CAITLYN: Yeah.
SCOTT: Well, sometimes, I just want to like CAITLYN: Do you ever see a reconciliation, you and Kourt? KRIS: I called 911.
What's your emergency? I have an intruder in my house.
What does he look like? And I'm thinking, "What do you mean what the (bleep) does he look like?" SCOTT: I'm just alone with my thoughts every night, and it's a very tough feeling, feeling isolated.
- CAITLYN: Yeah.
- SCOTT: You know, sometimes, - I just want to like - CAITLYN: Do you ever see a a reconciliation, you and Kourt? SCOTT: I mean, you know, I, I think that that would be, like, the dream.
End of the day, I would love to see us work everything out and be in love again, and watch movies together, and be intimate and love each other and be best friends.
But I also don't want to just rush into something that doesn't make sense.
CAITLYN: I understand that.
Um (sighs) You just got to do the best you can, get through it, and look forward to next year, you know, it's a whole new year.
SCOTT: Yeah.
CAITLYN: And I'm so happy that you're sober and you're not doing any drugs and this and that, 'cause that's - that's like, by far, the most important thing.
- SCOTT: I know.
- CAITLYN: I'm glad to see you're doin' well.
- SCOTT: Yeah, and I'm glad to see you're doing well.
- Hey, we'll get through the holidays.
- SCOTT: Listen, we're always going through something.
CAITLYN: What we need is a Christmas tree.
SCOTT: Christmas tree it is.
CAITLYN: Let's get into the - holiday spirit! - SCOTT: Holiday spirit.
CAITLYN: Ho! Ho! Ho! SCOTT: Let's grab this big old tree.
CAITLYN: Wait a second, now I got my coffee here SCOTT: You you're wearing a purse, now, you can't do this.
CAITLYN: Well, I'll get the back I'll get the light end.
- You get that end.
- SCOTT: Okay.
See, this is why being a Jew is so much better.
All you gotta do is carry a menorah.
- CAITLYN: Okay.
- SCOTT: It weighs a quarter of a pound.
CAITLYN: All right, set her down right there.
SCOTT: Right here, yeah? Bravo, bravo, tango, tango, 46A, we're coming in.
CAITLYN: Kris's gingerbread house came.
(Scott exhales sharply) CAITLYN: Did you get one of those? SCOTT: No.
But I think that's more of, like, a fun thing for girls.
CAITLYN: Maybe that's maybe that's what SCOTT: She really, she really accepts you as a woman now.
CAITLYN: Maybe I'm on her good list.
- (alarm chirping) - Better than last year.
SCOTT: Hoo! You ain't kidding! CAITLYN: Yeah.
- (Chirping continues) - SCOTT: What's with all the beeping? - CAITLYN: Um, I got back from my trip - (chirping continues) and, um, I think it's the batteries.
- (Chirping continues) - SCOTT: Oh, my God, does that not drive you nuts? CAITLYN: But I haven't gone through the house.
- But now I can't shut it off.
- (Chirping continues) SCOTT: You have to sleep with that? CAITLYN: Uh, I I sleep with this right now, so - (chirping continues) - SCOTT: Oh, my God.
- CAITLYN: There it goes again.
- SCOTT: It gets me every time.
All right, let's go take it out and unplug it until you get batteries, then.
- CAITLYN: All right.
- SCOTT: I don't want a lovely lady like you, uh, - hurting yourself here.
- CAITLYN: I know.
- (chirping continues) - So, I'm pretty sure, - just pull that little thing out - (Scott chuckles wryly) - Should've done that a long time ago.
- CAITLYN: and stick it in - (chirping continues) - pluses and minuses.
Sort of (loud beeping) CAITLYN: Oh, no.
- (beeping stops) - SCOTT: Damn it.
CAITLYN: The hell did you do? SCOTT: No, no, that was just a check.
Yep, she works.
- Just testin', testin' the waters.
- CAITLYN: It's not gonna Where's the next one? PRODUCER: SCOTT: I see a dramatic change.
And, not visually, so much, but really, just emotionally.
CAITLYN: I appreciate you helping me out.
SCOTT: Anytime.
I mean, I really believe when Caitlyn was Bruce, he was really shut off, and angry, and just wasn't happy, and now that she can be who she really wants to be, it's a whole different person, - and I feel a real connection.
- (Chirping, Scott snickers) CAITLYN: Actually, if you were taller SCOTT (laughing): I wouldn't need this ladder.
I gotta get myself a pair of heels, I guess.
- CAITLYN: Here we go.
- (chirping continues) SCOTT: Oh! CAITLYN: That was another one.
We gotta find it.
- (chirping continues) - SCOTT: I'm huntin' wabbit CAITLYN: Shh! - (Chirping continues) - SCOTT: Oh! - CAITLYN: Shh! - SCOTT: This w CAITLYN: Shh! Shh! (chirping continues) - CAITLYN: Wow.
- SCOTT: Insanity.
CAITLYN: Which way That was far away.
SCOTT: I think it's downtown, Julie Brown.
- CAITLYN: Bad battery.
- (chirping continues) Bad battery! - SCOTT: Making all that noise.
- (Chirping continues) (birds singing) KRIS: Hello? Anybody home? - CANDIS: I'm here! - KRIS: Hi, Candis! - CANDIS: Wow! - KRIS: Crazy.
CANDIS: You look amazing! KRIS: Who knew? California, it's, like, 37 degrees outside.
- So I got you guys little Christmas cookies.
- CANDIS: Here you are.
- Cheers, guys.
- Cheers.
CAITLYN: Ho, ho, ho! Merry Christmas ! Honestly, I think Kris and I are probably the best place we possibly could be right now.
She actually sent me an invitation for Christmas Eve party, her biggest party of the year.
So I thought, why not invite her to my house? KRIS: I brought you that gingerbread house, and you're not supposed to leave it in the Saran you have to, like, embrace the holidays.
- CAITLYN: Don't drop it.
- KRIS: It's okay, I got it.
(Candis laughs) So, can I tell you guys what happened to me? - CAITLYN: What? - KRIS: Today? CAITLYN: Ooh, today, what? KRIS: My heart is beating so fast.
So, I'm at my house, I was sitting in my office, on a business call, my grandson is sleeping in his crib, security guards are out front, and a guy comes barreling into my office with a backpack.
- My home office.
- CAITLYN: How did he get in the gates? KRIS: Somebody let him in.
And he says, "Can I have a hug and a kiss?" CANDIS: Oh, my God, that is so scary.
KRIS: Security guards are out front, and a guy comes barreling into my office.
And he says, "Can I have a hug and a kiss?' - CANDIS: Oh, my God, that is so scary.
- KRIS: And I go (laughs weakly) "I'm on a call.
" And he said, "Oh, okay, well, I'll come back for the hug, I'll be right back, I'm gonna pay my Uber driver.
" - CANDIS: Shut up.
- KRIS: He walks out the front door, and I called 911.
"What's your emergency?" "I have an intruder in my house.
" "What does he look like?" And I'm thinking, "What do you mean, what the (bleep) does he look like? - Just get somebody over here!" - (Candis chuckles) CAITLYN: How did the security guy let him in? - KRIS: I don't know.
- CANDIS: So, he left ? - KRIS: The guy? - CANDIS: Yeah.
KRIS: Oh, he's arrested, he's in jail right now.
- CANDIS: Oh.
- KRIS: So, anyway, come to find out, he walked all over the house looking for me.
He went into my kitchen, he went through the family room.
Now, my granddaughter usually plays in the afternoons in the family room.
CANDIS: Oh, my God.
- CAITLYN: That's scary.
- KRIS: And then, I mean, I have one, now, I was scared to death.
Like, we didn't know where he was.
CAITLYN: To be honest with you, I would walk around the house, half the people in that house I didn't even know their name.
Who the heck they were.
- KRIS: They were your children.
- (Candis laughs) CAITLYN: Oh, were they? Were they my children? - KRIS: They were your kids.
- CAITLYN: Oh.
- KRIS: Yeah.
- CAITLYN: Ah.
- KRIS: Yeah.
- CAITLYN: Let's decorate a tree.
Ho, ho, ho! - CANDIS: Are these, like, all the kids' stockings? - KRIS: Burt, Casey ooh! Penelope.
Mason, Bruce oh, there's no more Bruce.
- CAITLYN: He's gone.
- KRIS: Sorry! - He left.
- CANDIS: I can't even imagine shopping for Christmas, for a family the size of yours.
KRIS: Oh, you have no idea.
CANDIS: That's kind of like, the the dream, when you're growing up, is to have a family, and have kids and I thought, you know, I would try to see what the process would be like for a transwoman to try to adopt.
So we went and actually met with this family, uh - CAITLYN: Attorney.
- CANDIS: attorney - CAITLYN: Who was great.
- CANDIS: who was, like, works with adoption, and stuff KRIS: Oh, really? In L.
A.
? CANDIS: In L.
A.
, yeah.
She said adoption, you have to disclose that you're trans to the adoptive parents, and I get that, you know, but it's just like another thing that - KRIS: Yeah.
- CANDIS: dealt with.
So, I don't know, I'm just a little discouraged.
KRIS: Well, I don't think, I mean, I think the whole process is discouraging.
I mean, the whole thing.
- You know - CANDIS: Just the whole thing.
KRIS: I feel like, I mean, I've been dealing with Kim for the last couple years, and her just you know, the process of, like, trying to get pregnant, and then going through in vitro, and having all the issues she had.
- CANDIS: Right.
- KRIS: And then, friends of mine who don't have anybody that they even date, they can't catch a break, either.
CANDIS: It's not a trans thing, it's a human thing.
KRIS: It's not easy, in any shape or form.
I think if you're if that's in your heart, you should just go for it.
Because it brings unbelievable joy.
CANDIS: Talking to Kris, it made me realize that it's not just a trans problem.
A lot of female, cis women, have these issues, too.
Sometimes, maybe, life doesn't turn out the way you think it's going to, but you're gonna have to figure out how to move on and change your expectations and your trajectory of your life.
I mean, I just feel like I have so much to give to a little one, you know? KRIS: Yeah.
You would make a great mommy.
I could see that, though.
You really would.
I think you should go for it.
And you don't even have to get pregnant, you little brat.
- (Candis laughs) - KRIS: Oh, that's a good idea.
CAITLYN: Ta-da! Fixed! - It's only in tape, but it's good! - KRIS: I love it.
- CAITLYN: Off to Mammoth.
- (Ella whoops) (laughing, whooping) CANDIS: No one has ever challenged Caitlyn Jenner to anything - that she hasn't stepped up to the plate.
- ELLA: Kiss.
- Oh! - (Laughs) CANDIS: "Presidential hopeful Ted Cruz opposes equality for transgender people - because he thinks trans kids will molest his daughters.
" - ELLA: Ugh.
JENNY: Republicans.
Your people.
- They don't like us.
- CAITLYN: They're not my people if they're against this issue.
- Someone I know intimately.
- CANDIS: Kris.
- Really? - KATE: Is she being good to you? CAITLYN: She's been fine.
KRIS: I definitely took it personally.
- JENNY: She tell you early on? - KRIS: No.
CAITLYN: I certainly said I had gender issues - and that I was on hormones.
- KRIS: I didn't know until all of this.
I couldn't have given you - the definition of transgender.
- CAITLYN: Let me finish, - let me finish.
- KRIS: Until six months ago.
- CAITLYN: Let me finish.
- KRIS: Okay, you're being stubborn, that's fine.
CAITLYN: There's really a lot I want to get off my chest with Kris, and I'm afraid if I don't have it now, um, I'll probably never have the conversation.
KRIS: Coming! - KRIS: Hello.
- CAITLYN: Uh you're ready to go? - All packed up? - KRIS: Yeah, just packing my stuff up - how are you? Thanks for last night! - CAITLYN: Did you have fun last night? - Yeah! - CAITLYN: Before you go, you got time? KRIS: I got a little bit of time.
CAITLYN: Um, so, your impressions of everybody? KRIS: It was really interesting meeting everybody, and just, you know, kind of seeing, like, what kind of group of girls you have around you.
- I've had my friends my entire life, some of them.
- CAITLYN: Oh, I know.
KRIS: And you know? They're everything.
- CAITLYN: Yeah.
- KRIS: And I think one thing that I was thinking about you - is you never had friends.
- CAITLYN: No.
KRIS: Ever.
And I would get so annoyed with you when my girlfriends would come over to the house for a drink and you would just sit there, and I would go, "Okay!" - I didn't get it.
- CAITLYN: Well, 'cause I, you know, - I never - KRIS: And now CAITLYN: It was always frustrating to me because I never, uh, never had felt like I ever fit in any place until recently, - no, I - KRIS: So, I think that for you to have girlfriends makes us really happy.
CAITLYN: I've never been more happy in my life than I have in the last six months.
KRIS: I know that you're having, like, the greatest time, but I think that you forget that there's also things, you know, that are really sad that are going on at home.
CAITLYN: Like what? KRIS: It's just, there's a lot.
There's just, it's a lot and I can't - CAITLYN: What's what's going on at home that's sad? - KRIS: It's, you know, Lamar's so sick, - so sick.
- CAITLYN: Oh, I know.
KRIS: And he's not really getting better.
- And it's really bad.
- CAITLYN: Here.
KRIS: Thanks.
We spent a lot of time there, and then Khloe got sick, and then, you know, Kourtney's been struggling with the whole Scott thing, and Kim's has her baby situation going on and, you know, we're worried about trying to get the baby turned around, 'cause right now he's breech, and she's got her issues with her whole uterus.
Kendall got sick, which she had to go see, like, an infectious disease doctor.
She caught something in Brazil.
So, you know, it's like, everybody has a lot going on.
But I know that for you, sometimes, you check out.
CAITLYN: Well, I do.
Um, I I agree with that.
KRIS: You know, you are the greatest person when you're engaged and you're present, but when you disconnect, you're kind of out of sight, out of mind.
And so, I just didn't want that to happen to you and the kids.
I don't want to see you check out.
CAITLYN: To be honest with you, I do.
But, um, I'm a better person today than I was a year ago.
- I've learned a lot about myself.
- KRIS: Right.
CAITLYN: I don't want our 23 years together to be a "checking out" on it.
- KRIS: Then that's everything.
- CAITLYN: Yeah.
KRIS: I just don't want to see you, um, disconnect from - all the kids.
- CAITLYN: Well, that's what I don't want.
KRIS: Yeah, I got to tell you, when Kim brought me some of your clothes - that you were throwing away - CAITLYN: I know, I know.
- I I saw that.
- KRIS: I was so sad because I thought, "Wait a minute, I spent 23 years building this fabulous wardrobe.
" (chuckles): I was Who knew I was buying the wrong (bleep)? - CAITLYN: I know that made - KRIS: Oh, my God.
CAITLYN: I know.
Um, you know, for the last four months, five months, I've had lawyers, and people, and everything going through name change, but I finally got my driver's license.
KRIS: Oh, you did? What does it say Caitlyn? - CAITLYN: Yeah.
Caitlyn Marie - KRIS: What's your ? - CAITLYN: Caitlyn Marie Jenner.
- KRIS: Oh, Marie, - and it says that on your driver's license? - CAITLYN: Yeah, yeah.
With, uh, gender marker F.
KRIS: Wow.
I didn't know they could do that.
CAITLYN: You can go all the way back - to your birth certificate and change that.
- KRIS: Stop.
CAITLYN: And I did.
KRIS: You changed your birth certificate? CAITLYN: Yes.
Passport's in the process.
And it was kind of KRIS: That's kind of sad, though.
CAITLYN: But I feel like, - I've come out this other side - KRIS: Wait a second, does this mean that he didn't exist? - CAITLYN: No.
Well - KRIS: If you changed the birth certificate? KRIS: Wait, was I ever married? Was I legally married? JENNY: What's gonna happen here? BARTENDER: I'm gonna give you a shot, - and I'm gonna put my boobs in your face.
- (Jenny babbling) (women cheering, whooping) SCOTT: I'm just alone with my thoughts every night and - CAITLYN: Yeah.
- SCOTT: It's a very tough feeling, feeling isolated.
CAITLYN: Do you ever see a reconciliation, you and Kourt? KRIS: Security guards are out front, and a guy comes barreling into my office, and he says, "Can I have a hug and a kiss?" CANDIS: Oh, my God.
That is so scary.
KRIS: Wait, was I ever married? Was I legally married? CAITLYN: Yes.
- We did all that.
- KRIS (laughs): Oh, my God.
Wow.
CAITLYN: Yeah.
I would like to think of it as that person still lives inside me, and that today, I'm a better person because of it.
And I have been fortunate enough to kind of get rid of all that bitterness and see a much softer side of me come out, - which I think - KRIS: It's a good thing.
CAITLYN: is really important, - you know? - KRIS: Yeah.
- CAITLYN: Um - KRIS: You just don't seem as angry.
- CAITLYN: I'm not.
- KRIS: I think you had a lot of that - going on a little bit.
- CAITLYN: Oh, I did.
I never was able to have privacy to be myself.
- KRIS: Oh.
Yeah.
- CAITLYN: If you know what I'm saying? CAITLYN: I think over the last couple of years, you were frustrated with me, I was frustrated with myself.
And so, um, you know, I just want to apologize, I think, for a lot the times, the way I acted.
Um, it didn't have to be that way.
- I think, going forward from here - KRIS: Mm-hmm.
CAITLYN: I would always want you in my life.
Okay? KRIS: First, I appreciate the apology that's really nice of, for you to say that.
And I, believe me, I get the "no privacy" thing.
I don't have any privacy, either, and Kim and Kanye moved back in and - I've got North living there and - CAITLYN: Yeah.
KRIS: So I get it.
And if I wanted to do something that I didn't want anybody else to know about, it would be very difficult for me.
I have a hard time finding a place to, you know, have five minutes to myself, so I get that.
And I get how frustrating that would be.
So, when you put it like that, - that makes sense to me.
- CAITLYN: Yeah.
I would hope that our relationship going forward, although very different, can be a really good relationship.
- That's my wish.
- KRIS: And that's everything, and that's why I'm here, I came to check up on you.
'Cause I still love you and - CAITLYN: All right.
- KRIS: the kids adore you.
CAITLYN: Maybe at some point, we'll renew our vows.
KRIS: What? (Caitlyn laughs) KRIS: Do I get another diamond? - CAITLYN: I don't want you to get your hopes up.
- Right (Laughs) I'll need a diamond, too.
KRIS: Oh, my God, this is gonna get very expensive.
CAITLYN: It's, it's gonna get very complicated and very expensive.
Neither Kris or I were our best selves in our relationship at the end.
When you're in a relationship, there's a lot of things that go wrong.
And for the things that I was responsible for, uh, I have no problem apologizing for those mistakes.
By the way, I have to admit.
KRIS: What? CAITLYN: You know, that birthday present you got me, um, that Chanel bag rocks it.
KRIS: I know.
- CAITLYN: Where'd you ? - KRIS: That was a good one.
Saks.
CAITLYN: Khloe got me a very nice bag, I told 'em I needed bags, and I didn't get one golf shirt.
- I didn't get a pair - KRIS: I can get you some for Christmas.
Well, uh, but the right ones now.
- KRIS: I know, we never knew what to get you.
- (Caitlyn laughs) I definitely look at this whole situation a lot differently after having spent some time with these girls, and I understand a little bit more about the journey that Caitlyn's on.
It's a very powerful place that she's in.
Life is starting to be what I feel like she's always wanted it to be, and that makes me happy too.
- All right.
Good-bye.
- CAITLYN: I'll see you later.
Good-bye - and have a good flight.
- KRIS: Thanks for letting me - in on your party.
- CAITLYN: Okay, I'm glad you got to meet everybody.
KRIS: Me too.
- CAITLYN: Till then.
- KRIS: All right.
CANDIS: Yes, I'm ready to chow down.
I had a couple cocktails last night with Kris Jenner.
She led me on a dark path.
(Candis sighs) But she was she was great.
It was nice to meet her.
You can tell why they have still have a little, like, thing together.
- You know what I mean? - KATE: They do, they do.
CANDIS: Yeah.
KATE: I want johnnycakes.
CANDIS: Oh, gosh, my dad used to make johnnycakes.
- KATE: Yeah? - CANDIS: Yeah.
KATE: You're big on family, right? Would you like to have a family, maybe kids? - CANDIS: Uh, yeah.
- KATE: You would.
CANDIS: Yeah.
KATE: That's what I want to see for you.
CANDIS: Well, I haven't found the love that I want to find.
Yet.
I'm at the point now where I desire to meet someone that I can actually have a conversation with, that I have something in common with, somebody that I can play Scrabble with.
And also someone that I could eventually have a family with.
That can bring, you know, bring that relationship to that next level.
'Cause I'll just as soon sit in my house with my dogs and, you know, garden.
(Chuckles) KATE: Excuse me, let's go right there.
Someone who motivates me.
- CANDIS: Yeah.
- KATE: You've got to be - someone who motivates you, my baby.
- CANDIS: Yeah.
KATE: If having family is something that you want go have a family.
Just be open to different ways it could happen.
You don't have to wait for a man.
CANDIS: I think that Kate is right.
Things don't have to fall in a certain order to make them happen.
So, like, if I want a child, why is it that I have to wait for the perfect marriage - or meeting the right person? - KATE: This is a big step for anyone.
CANDIS: It's huge for me.
KATE: Yeah.
CANDIS: I have a lot of good things going on, you know? I have a career that I love, I have a family that I love, I'm a stable, kind of grounded person, and I think I would make a really good parent.
And so, um, why should I have to wait? KATE: Now's your opportunity.
(bell dinging) CAITLYN: We're ready to get dirty! Look at those little babies.
This is where they started off, in the bucket.
- CANDIS (laughing): Oh, gosh.
- CAITLYN: And then they worked to this pot.
CANDIS: Oh, look at those guys.
MAN: This'll be a crawfish.
JENNY: He's alive, um, but not for much longer.
I think we should pardon the crawfish.
We're gonna pardon this guy.
Let him live? Who wants the crawfish to live? Raise your hands.
Who wants to eat him? My friend, Bornstein.
COURTNEY: Gosh, so much work just to eat.
CANDIS: Cait, that was a fun night last night with Kris.
How did you feel about, like, hanging out with her and ? CAITLYN: After last night, I had a very nice conversation with her.
- CANDIS: Oh, you did? - CAITLYN: This morning, before she left.
You know, I I apologized for, you know, over the last three or four years of our relationship, you know, wasn't that good, and I was just as frustrated in the relationship as she was.
It was just good, you know, let bygones kind of be bygones, and I'm glad we got that meeting out of the way.
JENNY: I'm thankful for that.
- CHANDI: Which is great.
- CANDIS: So great.
- CAITLYN: Happy Thanksgiving to all.
- CANDIS: Happy Thanksgiving.
JENNY: Caitlyn acknowledged to Kris that she was not emotionally available during their marriage.
She took responsibility.
That's kind of a "Hallelujah" moment.
That's the kind of emotional growth that her friends have been rooting for.
My friends! It's been, uh, it's been, uh, a great a great journey, and, uh, I'm grateful to all of you.
So, uh, this is my little gift to you.
I'm a little sad.
The road trip's just about over, and we are going back to Los Angeles for the Thanksgiving break.
So fair you well my dear old friends I never might see you more Caitlyn really changed over the course of this trip.
She took responsibility for some of her mistakes.
She's becoming a more complex, open person.
I just hope that the process of self-discovery doesn't stop once we're off the bus.
When we get back to L.
A.
, I want her to continue to become a better version of who she is.
- (whooping) - WOMAN: CANDIS: What's your name? - (Candis laughs) - JENNY: What's gonna happen here? SHOT GIRL: - JENNY: Okay.
- (Whooping) JENNY: That's what I'm talking about! (whoops) - (alarm chirping) - SCOTT: What's with all the beeping? CAITLYN: I think it's the batteries.
I got to find it.
- (chirping) - SCOTT: Ooh! - This w - CAITLYN: Shh! Shh.
Shh.
(Chirping) WOMAN: In an independent adoption, you're gonna have to disclose that you're transgender.
CANDIS: Ignorance, transphobia.
I've been living my life this way for so many years, I don't even think about it anymore, but apparently other people do.
CAITLYN: We are coming up on Christmas, baby! - Look what I got! - JENNY: It's not just, like, a little gingerbread it's, like, a gingerbread mansion.
CAITLYN: Guess who bought it and sent it over to the house.
JENNY: It was not Scott Disick.
CAITLYN: Not Scott Disick, no.
Kris Jenner.
JENNY: Ms.
Kris Jenner.
Really cool.
So, Caitlyn, my friend Marci Bowers is coming in ten.
CAITLYN: Actually, I'm very excited about meeting her.
- JENNY: Good.
- CAITLYN: Um, I feel a little uncomfortable talking about that issue.
JENNY: Dr.
Marci Bowers has been my friend for a dozen years, and she is a surgeon who performs SRS, or gender confirmation surgery.
She's also a trans woman herself.
Here's what I can tell you about my own experience with with surgery.
One, it was really important for me.
The sense of, "Oh, I'm finally whole, I'm finally me.
" At at peace and at rest within the body that I always wanted.
And I've never regretted having surgery for one day, not one hour, never.
- CAITLYN: Yeah.
- JENNY: The results were remarkable.
I know this is maybe too much information, but it's it's nothing to be ashamed of.
CAITLYN: Um, that's something that, uh, right now, I feel a little uncomfortable talking about that issue.
JENNY: (sighs) When I've talked to Caitlyn about dating, she always says, "Well, I can't imagine a man being in this world and the kind of things that, you know, the tabloids would say about them.
" Or she talks about how her kids would be hurt.
CANDIS: Would it be harder for you to be dating a man, as opposed to a woman, on the kids or vice versa? CAITLYN: I think it might be a little bit tougher on the girls if it was, um, a guy.
Yeah, if I was dating some guy, they would go, "Wow.
" JENNY: I don't believe it.
I think that's I think that's uh, I think that's an excuse.
And when it comes to the surgery, I know she's thinking about it.
KRIS: CAITLYN: - KRIS: What? - CAITLYN: - KRIS: - CAITLYN: JENNY: Look, I don't care whether she dates men, or she dates women, or whether she doesn't date anybody.
But she needs to find her truth.
And find the words to express that truth.
Are you reluctant to learn more about this? CAITLYN: Um Um how do I answer that? Uh that, to me, is really uncomfortable.
JENNY: I'm gonna ask you a question, you tell me if this is too personal.
You had this beautiful - face work done.
- CAITLYN: Right.
JENNY: And when I first walked through the door last spring and I saw you, I was like, "Holy cow, she's a knockout!" Um, that was more important to you CAITLYN: For me, it was important, my appearance and my presentation was important.
And they continue to be, the clothes, the this, the that.
CAITLYN: I know being a woman is a lot more than that, and I know for a lot of people in this community, that's not that important.
Just being themselves is important.
JENNY: You know, that's and and actually, what you're describing is, is certainly not atypical of people that I know.
- CAITLYN: Yeah.
- JENNY: Um, for me, having SRS was really important.
- CAITLYN: More power to you.
- JENNY: Um, and I know other people who don't want the surgery, or any surgery.
And I know other who want it desperately and can't afford it.
CAITLYN: Probably the most private thing for a transperson to talk about is, you know, like, way down there, what's happening.
But, um, why not, Marci? She is a transwoman, so of course I would want to meet her, I want to hear her story, uh, but also, she's one of the best surgeons out there for this type of surgery.
JENNY: Well, anyway, so we'll talk to Marci and, uh, see what she has to say.
It's just, um, knowledge is power.
CANDIS: Nice swing.
- CAITLYN: That's all you got to say, is "nice swing"? - (Candis laughs) - CANDIS: That's a big stick.
- CAITLYN: Thank you.
- CANDIS: That's a lot.
- CAITLYN: Nobody's told me that in a long time.
See the red flag? - CANDIS: Uh-huh.
- CAITLYN: That's what we're trying to get it in.
CANDIS: Oh, okay.
- CAITLYN: See, soon as you - (Candis laughs) Soon as you I knew it.
Soon as you got out here, you were gonna go "I'm gonna kill this.
" There it goes, right down the middle.
Isn't that amazing? What did you think of the whole trip, did you have fun? CANDIS: Yeah.
I was actually doing a lot of thinking on the trip about the trajectory of my life as far as family is concerned, you know? It's like, you have such a full life with your kids, and Adopting or fostering is so appealing to me.
- You know? - CAITLYN: Yeah.
I get that.
- CANDIS: Damn it! - CAITLYN: Damn.
CANDIS: So, I don't really know what to do.
Is it even possible for, like, a middle-aged transwo (breaks off into laughter) - CAITLYN: To adopt? - CANDIS: To adopt? CAITLYN: Look into it, find out, I don't know.
- CANDIS: I don't know.
- CAITLYN: Your life would be really full.
- CANDIS: I'd like to have the option.
- CAITLYN: Yeah.
Actually, we should look into that.
First of all, you'd make a great mother.
For me, family is everything.
So, yeah, I think it's good that she's, uh, thinking about this kind of stuff.
I don't want her sitting around, waiting for Mr.
Right.
Maybe it's time for her to do it on her own.
I'll be by your side every step of the way.
(birds singing) The last six months of my life have been really enlightening for myself.
But one thing I'm really not comfortable with is is talking about this issue of, you know, gender confirmation s uh, surgery.
But, um, I'm meeting with Marci Bowers.
She's one of the best surgeons out there for this type of surgery.
Jenny s set this up.
Uh, it's a good thing, I uh, she's a transwoman, of course I would want to meet her.
Uh, but to be honest with you, I you know, I'm quite nervous about this.
(knocking at door) CANDIS: To have a family and have kids, - that's the dream.
- KRIS: You would make a great mommy.
You should go for it.
And you don't even have to get pregnant, you little brat.
(Candis laughs) CANDIS: Trying to go into motherhood and being rejected by office buildings and the government I don't know if I can do that, you know what I mean? (birds singing) - (knocking at door) - CAITLYN: Come on in! We got a lot to talk about, let's sit down.
JENNY: Well, Caitlyn, I've wanted you to meet Marci forever.
She's obviously an expert in the field of, um, gender reassignment surgery.
Is that is that the proper term? DR.
MARCI: The politically correct term is either "genital reassignment surgery" - or "gender confirmation surgery.
" - CAITLYN: Okay.
Why do you think it is that the media is fixated on the "the surgery?" DR.
MARCI: Well, this is what we this is what we say when I speak to audiences around the w - around the country - CAITLYN: Yeah.
DR.
MARCI: When is the last time you passed a stranger on the street and knew with 100% certainty - what their genitalia looked like? - CAITLYN: Yeah.
- Right.
- DR.
MARCI: The fact is, you make assumptions every single day.
So all I do, in the work I perform, is we just match up the the soul with the body, basically, uh CAITLYN: What do you think is the percentage of of the community, of the trans community that actually goes through the final surgery? DR.
MARCI: Few years ago, I heard it was only 20%, and I mean, it's expensive, to be and so it's about $25,000 out of pocket - CAITLYN: Yeah.
- DR.
MARCI: that somebody has to pay.
JENNY: It's one reason why I had to wait until I was 40.
Because I just, I just didn't have - DR.
MARCI: It's a lot.
- JENNY: I had been saving, I'd been saving money my whole life.
DR.
MARCI: This surgery, the male to female surgery DR.
MARCI: is easily as much art as it is science.
So, in terms of genitalia, everything that a man has, a woman has as well.
And so, really, that's the basis of the surgery, is that embryologically, there is a transition from female anatomy to male anatomy.
And so when you're doing the reverse, you just simply undo all of the steps.
CAITLYN: Um, your sexual experience is it still there, is it gonna work? DR.
MARCI: The the vast, vast majority are able to orgasm.
- CAITLYN: Oh, okay.
- DR.
MARCI: So, the clitoris, even though it's reduced in size from its old glory CAITLYN: Right, from it's old glory.
DR.
MARCI: um, is, um, is still very, very sensitive.
- DR.
MARCI: But - CAITLYN: Which is basically the clitoris is the head of the penis? - DR.
MARCI: That's right.
- JENNY: Post-surgery - DR.
MARCI: Yes.
- JENNY: um, I had to get to know my - my body over - DR.
MARCI: Yes, that's also true.
- JENNY: in a completely new way.
- DR.
MARCI: As we say, as to make a musical metaphor, we say it's like "giving up the the trombone and picking up a violin.
" - (Caitlyn chuckles) - DR.
MARCI: You know.
You it's it's still the same music, but CAITLYN: Yeah, but different instrument.
JENNY: What would you say to someone who is thinking about surgery, but isn't quite sure? - DR.
MARCI: That's a great question, Jenny.
- CAITLYN: Yeah.
DR.
MARCI: And it's something that everyone has to wrestle with individually, of course.
'Cause it it is personal, and and, uh, you know, there are a lot of people who never end up having surgery, and yet they're still, you know, men or women.
JENNY: Would surgery help you? CAITLYN: Um possibly.
Yeah.
Possibly.
I have no idea what the future holds, but it is really interesting to talk about this issue with a doctor that's intelligent and obviously has been doing this for years.
So, yeah, there's a lot of questions to be answered in my future.
CANDIS: Thanks for coming.
- CAITLYN: No! - CANDIS: Oh, my God.
It's a little nerve-racking for me.
- CAITLYN: Is it really? - CANDIS: Yeah.
So, I've decided to take the first steps to see, uh, if I can get information in this adoption process.
DIANE: Hi, nice to meet you.
- CAITLYN: Nice to meet you.
- DIANE: Come on in.
- CANDIS: Thank you.
- CAITLYN: All right! CANDIS: There is this amazing lawyer, and she works primarily with the LGBT community.
CAITLYN: Thank you for taking this meeting.
CANDIS: Yeah.
I was asking Caitlyn the other day, "What are my options about adoption as a trans woman - in my 40s?" - DIANE: Okay.
CANDIS: So I would love to know about everything.
DIANE: So let's start tal There's a number of different kinds of adoptions in California.
So, you could do a foster adopt, where you become a foster parent.
Another way is doing an independent adoption, where you find a birth mother that's willing to place her child with you for adoption, and then the last way, which is, I think, the hardest, is an international adoption.
CANDIS: Really, it's the hardest? DIANE: Well, 'cause you're having to comply with not only the laws of this country for a home study, but the laws of whatever country you choose to adopt.
Most gays and lesbians who've adopted from foreign countries had to do so without being out of the closet.
- CANDIS: Wow.
- DIANE: So, - realistically - CAITLYN: Oh, really? DIANE: your best bet for adoption, and your most realistic, are doing it either an independent adoption or a foster adopt.
CANDIS: Have you ever worked with transgendered DIANE: I have, I have not done an independent adoption with transgender people.
Difficulty you're gonna have in an independent adoption is you're gonna have to disclose that you're transgender.
You've got to be matched with a birth mother that says, "I want my child raised by you.
" CANDIS: Wow.
I'm really nice! DIANE: And there are probably birth mothers out there who will do it, but it's gonna take - CANDIS: So it really is ? - DIANE: probably more effort than if you were that 40-year-old heterosexual couple.
- CANDIS: Right.
- DIANE: You know, with the dog and the white picket fence.
CANDIS: I thought going into this that the hardest part of it was going to be doing it, um, alone, but I'm realizing that, um, really, the hardest part of this adoption process is going to be being a trans woman and all the hoops that I have to jump over for that.
DIANE: If you have more questions, let me know.
- CANDIS: Okay, I will.
- DIANE: But you know there's some challenges, but there's some opportunities there, as well.
- CAITLYN: Thank you for you time.
- DIANE: My pleasure.
- CANDIS: Hi.
- CAITLYN: Hello! (Danson barking) - CANDIS: Oh, Danson! - CAITLYN: Oh, my gosh! The dogs are going crazy! - You're cooking! - CANDIS: I'm cooking! CAITLYN: I love that! Oh, my God, - Chandi is in the house! - CHANDI: Hi, baby! - CANDIS: Hi, honey.
- CHANDI: Ooh, it smells delicious in here.
- How are you doing? - CHANDI: I am great! CAITLYN: I have so missed you! All right, let's get something to eat I'm ready.
CHANDI: Wow.
So what else has been going on? - CANDIS: Well, I went - CHANDI: With Candis Cayne? - CANDIS: I went to this lawyer - CHANDI: Mm-hmm.
CANDIS: about adoptions.
CHANDI: So she provided you with lots of information that made you feel like it might be something that you will be interested in doing? CANDIS: It almost felt more daunting, because you still have the birth mother being able to know that you're trans and be able to say yes or no to who you are.
I can handle the idea of not being with someone - CHANDI: Mm-hmm.
- CANDIS: and being rejected by a guy, - you know what I mean? - CHANDI: Mm-hmm.
CANDIS: But I don't think I can handle trying to go into motherhood and being rejected by office buildings, and the government and, uh, potential mothers, like, I don't know if I can do that, you know what I mean? SCOTT: You're wearing a purse now, you can't do this.
CAITLYN: I'll get the light end.
SCOTT: See, this is why being a Jew is so much better.
All you got to do is carry a menorah.
CANDIS: For a trans woman to adopt, you have to disclose that you're trans.
- I'm just a little discouraged.
- KRIS: It's not easy.
If that's in your heart, you should just go for it.
CANDIS: I don't think I can handle trying to go into motherhood and being rejected by office buildings and the government and, uh, potential mothers, like, I don't know if I can do that.
Me being an undesirable person to have their kids be adopted to because I'm trans, it's hard for me t to think that way because I've been living my life this way for so many years I don't even think about it anymore.
But apparently, other people do.
It's irritating, because if I was born female to begin with, none of this would ever even be a consideration.
CAITLYN: Is it difficult? Absolutely.
But it's not an excuse not to do it.
CHANDI: You're allowing yourself to be placed in that space with the "what ifs.
" You're going after something like being a mom, that is so important for a little person.
- To be able to have that support.
- CAITLYN: And wouldn't she make - a great mom? - CHANDI: A great mom, so I don't want to hear you being Negative Nancy, uh, behind this.
If you're gonna look into it, and go into it, you need to go into it with an open mind, and not focus on any of the obstacles that you're gonna run into.
CANDIS: Ignorance, transphobia a lot of times, it's not the person that's wanting to beat you up, it's the behind the scenes, finding out who and what you are, and not allowing you to get the bank loan, or not allowing you to get the job, or not allowing you to adopt the children.
So, it's like, once again, another thing that I have to deal with because I'm trans.
SCOTT: CAITLYN: I'm good, let's get a Christmas tree.
SCOTT: Who better than a Jew to go Christmas shopping with? CAITLYN: I agree.
- SCOTT: Hand hug! - CAITLYN: Hand hug, look out! SCOTT: It's almost Hanukkah! Coming through, got a package, people! Your hands are much softer now.
- CAITLYN: Well, I just used lotion.
- SCOTT: Lot of moisturizer.
CAITLYN: See, you need a guy around to help lift things.
- SCOTT: You're still strong! - CAITLYN: It's just a chick thing, I know.
- SCOTT: But you're still strong, right? - CAITLYN: No, I'm not.
One thing I've learned on this trip is sometimes, I have the ability to kind of check out.
SCOTT: I haven't talked to you all night.
COURTNEY: Are you ignoring him? CAITLYN: No, I'm not ignoring him he's over there! SCOTT: I've spent more time with them than I have with you.
- CANDIS: Scott! - JENNY: I think he's upset.
CAITLYN: Life's too short.
I really wanted to, uh, reach out to Scott 'cause I don't want him to be alone during the holidays that's the worst thing that can happen.
SCOTT: That's kind of like what Kris gets, right? CAITLYN: Uh, she gets even bigger than that.
Anyway, yeah, no, so I got the, um, - invitation to the, uh, Christmas party.
- SCOTT: Well, of course.
No? - Was that ? - CAITLYN: You just don't know.
- SCOTT: Really? Well, same with me.
- CAITLYN: Well, but, uh, yeah, but how are you doing - with the whole holiday season? - SCOTT: Well, I mean, it's a little tough, I mean, you know, obviously without having my parents and anybody on my side of the family, and not really knowing if I'm going to spend it with - Kourtney and the kids.
- CAITLYN: Yeah, yeah.
SCOTT: But, it's a little hard for me, because I don't want people to, like, take pity on me, either, and they're just inviting me because I know, they know that all my family is dead.
You know, I just want people to invite me because they want to, not because they feel bad for me.
SCOTT: So it's hard, in that way, and I'm obviously not drinking or doing drugs, so I'm just alone with my thoughts every night, and it's tough.
SCOTT: It's a very tough feeling, feeling isolated.
CAITLYN: Yeah.
SCOTT: Well, sometimes, I just want to like CAITLYN: Do you ever see a reconciliation, you and Kourt? KRIS: I called 911.
What's your emergency? I have an intruder in my house.
What does he look like? And I'm thinking, "What do you mean what the (bleep) does he look like?" SCOTT: I'm just alone with my thoughts every night, and it's a very tough feeling, feeling isolated.
- CAITLYN: Yeah.
- SCOTT: You know, sometimes, - I just want to like - CAITLYN: Do you ever see a a reconciliation, you and Kourt? SCOTT: I mean, you know, I, I think that that would be, like, the dream.
End of the day, I would love to see us work everything out and be in love again, and watch movies together, and be intimate and love each other and be best friends.
But I also don't want to just rush into something that doesn't make sense.
CAITLYN: I understand that.
Um (sighs) You just got to do the best you can, get through it, and look forward to next year, you know, it's a whole new year.
SCOTT: Yeah.
CAITLYN: And I'm so happy that you're sober and you're not doing any drugs and this and that, 'cause that's - that's like, by far, the most important thing.
- SCOTT: I know.
- CAITLYN: I'm glad to see you're doin' well.
- SCOTT: Yeah, and I'm glad to see you're doing well.
- Hey, we'll get through the holidays.
- SCOTT: Listen, we're always going through something.
CAITLYN: What we need is a Christmas tree.
SCOTT: Christmas tree it is.
CAITLYN: Let's get into the - holiday spirit! - SCOTT: Holiday spirit.
CAITLYN: Ho! Ho! Ho! SCOTT: Let's grab this big old tree.
CAITLYN: Wait a second, now I got my coffee here SCOTT: You you're wearing a purse, now, you can't do this.
CAITLYN: Well, I'll get the back I'll get the light end.
- You get that end.
- SCOTT: Okay.
See, this is why being a Jew is so much better.
All you gotta do is carry a menorah.
- CAITLYN: Okay.
- SCOTT: It weighs a quarter of a pound.
CAITLYN: All right, set her down right there.
SCOTT: Right here, yeah? Bravo, bravo, tango, tango, 46A, we're coming in.
CAITLYN: Kris's gingerbread house came.
(Scott exhales sharply) CAITLYN: Did you get one of those? SCOTT: No.
But I think that's more of, like, a fun thing for girls.
CAITLYN: Maybe that's maybe that's what SCOTT: She really, she really accepts you as a woman now.
CAITLYN: Maybe I'm on her good list.
- (alarm chirping) - Better than last year.
SCOTT: Hoo! You ain't kidding! CAITLYN: Yeah.
- (Chirping continues) - SCOTT: What's with all the beeping? - CAITLYN: Um, I got back from my trip - (chirping continues) and, um, I think it's the batteries.
- (Chirping continues) - SCOTT: Oh, my God, does that not drive you nuts? CAITLYN: But I haven't gone through the house.
- But now I can't shut it off.
- (Chirping continues) SCOTT: You have to sleep with that? CAITLYN: Uh, I I sleep with this right now, so - (chirping continues) - SCOTT: Oh, my God.
- CAITLYN: There it goes again.
- SCOTT: It gets me every time.
All right, let's go take it out and unplug it until you get batteries, then.
- CAITLYN: All right.
- SCOTT: I don't want a lovely lady like you, uh, - hurting yourself here.
- CAITLYN: I know.
- (chirping continues) - So, I'm pretty sure, - just pull that little thing out - (Scott chuckles wryly) - Should've done that a long time ago.
- CAITLYN: and stick it in - (chirping continues) - pluses and minuses.
Sort of (loud beeping) CAITLYN: Oh, no.
- (beeping stops) - SCOTT: Damn it.
CAITLYN: The hell did you do? SCOTT: No, no, that was just a check.
Yep, she works.
- Just testin', testin' the waters.
- CAITLYN: It's not gonna Where's the next one? PRODUCER: SCOTT: I see a dramatic change.
And, not visually, so much, but really, just emotionally.
CAITLYN: I appreciate you helping me out.
SCOTT: Anytime.
I mean, I really believe when Caitlyn was Bruce, he was really shut off, and angry, and just wasn't happy, and now that she can be who she really wants to be, it's a whole different person, - and I feel a real connection.
- (Chirping, Scott snickers) CAITLYN: Actually, if you were taller SCOTT (laughing): I wouldn't need this ladder.
I gotta get myself a pair of heels, I guess.
- CAITLYN: Here we go.
- (chirping continues) SCOTT: Oh! CAITLYN: That was another one.
We gotta find it.
- (chirping continues) - SCOTT: I'm huntin' wabbit CAITLYN: Shh! - (Chirping continues) - SCOTT: Oh! - CAITLYN: Shh! - SCOTT: This w CAITLYN: Shh! Shh! (chirping continues) - CAITLYN: Wow.
- SCOTT: Insanity.
CAITLYN: Which way That was far away.
SCOTT: I think it's downtown, Julie Brown.
- CAITLYN: Bad battery.
- (chirping continues) Bad battery! - SCOTT: Making all that noise.
- (Chirping continues) (birds singing) KRIS: Hello? Anybody home? - CANDIS: I'm here! - KRIS: Hi, Candis! - CANDIS: Wow! - KRIS: Crazy.
CANDIS: You look amazing! KRIS: Who knew? California, it's, like, 37 degrees outside.
- So I got you guys little Christmas cookies.
- CANDIS: Here you are.
- Cheers, guys.
- Cheers.
CAITLYN: Ho, ho, ho! Merry Christmas ! Honestly, I think Kris and I are probably the best place we possibly could be right now.
She actually sent me an invitation for Christmas Eve party, her biggest party of the year.
So I thought, why not invite her to my house? KRIS: I brought you that gingerbread house, and you're not supposed to leave it in the Saran you have to, like, embrace the holidays.
- CAITLYN: Don't drop it.
- KRIS: It's okay, I got it.
(Candis laughs) So, can I tell you guys what happened to me? - CAITLYN: What? - KRIS: Today? CAITLYN: Ooh, today, what? KRIS: My heart is beating so fast.
So, I'm at my house, I was sitting in my office, on a business call, my grandson is sleeping in his crib, security guards are out front, and a guy comes barreling into my office with a backpack.
- My home office.
- CAITLYN: How did he get in the gates? KRIS: Somebody let him in.
And he says, "Can I have a hug and a kiss?" CANDIS: Oh, my God, that is so scary.
KRIS: Security guards are out front, and a guy comes barreling into my office.
And he says, "Can I have a hug and a kiss?' - CANDIS: Oh, my God, that is so scary.
- KRIS: And I go (laughs weakly) "I'm on a call.
" And he said, "Oh, okay, well, I'll come back for the hug, I'll be right back, I'm gonna pay my Uber driver.
" - CANDIS: Shut up.
- KRIS: He walks out the front door, and I called 911.
"What's your emergency?" "I have an intruder in my house.
" "What does he look like?" And I'm thinking, "What do you mean, what the (bleep) does he look like? - Just get somebody over here!" - (Candis chuckles) CAITLYN: How did the security guy let him in? - KRIS: I don't know.
- CANDIS: So, he left ? - KRIS: The guy? - CANDIS: Yeah.
KRIS: Oh, he's arrested, he's in jail right now.
- CANDIS: Oh.
- KRIS: So, anyway, come to find out, he walked all over the house looking for me.
He went into my kitchen, he went through the family room.
Now, my granddaughter usually plays in the afternoons in the family room.
CANDIS: Oh, my God.
- CAITLYN: That's scary.
- KRIS: And then, I mean, I have one, now, I was scared to death.
Like, we didn't know where he was.
CAITLYN: To be honest with you, I would walk around the house, half the people in that house I didn't even know their name.
Who the heck they were.
- KRIS: They were your children.
- (Candis laughs) CAITLYN: Oh, were they? Were they my children? - KRIS: They were your kids.
- CAITLYN: Oh.
- KRIS: Yeah.
- CAITLYN: Ah.
- KRIS: Yeah.
- CAITLYN: Let's decorate a tree.
Ho, ho, ho! - CANDIS: Are these, like, all the kids' stockings? - KRIS: Burt, Casey ooh! Penelope.
Mason, Bruce oh, there's no more Bruce.
- CAITLYN: He's gone.
- KRIS: Sorry! - He left.
- CANDIS: I can't even imagine shopping for Christmas, for a family the size of yours.
KRIS: Oh, you have no idea.
CANDIS: That's kind of like, the the dream, when you're growing up, is to have a family, and have kids and I thought, you know, I would try to see what the process would be like for a transwoman to try to adopt.
So we went and actually met with this family, uh - CAITLYN: Attorney.
- CANDIS: attorney - CAITLYN: Who was great.
- CANDIS: who was, like, works with adoption, and stuff KRIS: Oh, really? In L.
A.
? CANDIS: In L.
A.
, yeah.
She said adoption, you have to disclose that you're trans to the adoptive parents, and I get that, you know, but it's just like another thing that - KRIS: Yeah.
- CANDIS: dealt with.
So, I don't know, I'm just a little discouraged.
KRIS: Well, I don't think, I mean, I think the whole process is discouraging.
I mean, the whole thing.
- You know - CANDIS: Just the whole thing.
KRIS: I feel like, I mean, I've been dealing with Kim for the last couple years, and her just you know, the process of, like, trying to get pregnant, and then going through in vitro, and having all the issues she had.
- CANDIS: Right.
- KRIS: And then, friends of mine who don't have anybody that they even date, they can't catch a break, either.
CANDIS: It's not a trans thing, it's a human thing.
KRIS: It's not easy, in any shape or form.
I think if you're if that's in your heart, you should just go for it.
Because it brings unbelievable joy.
CANDIS: Talking to Kris, it made me realize that it's not just a trans problem.
A lot of female, cis women, have these issues, too.
Sometimes, maybe, life doesn't turn out the way you think it's going to, but you're gonna have to figure out how to move on and change your expectations and your trajectory of your life.
I mean, I just feel like I have so much to give to a little one, you know? KRIS: Yeah.
You would make a great mommy.
I could see that, though.
You really would.
I think you should go for it.
And you don't even have to get pregnant, you little brat.
- (Candis laughs) - KRIS: Oh, that's a good idea.
CAITLYN: Ta-da! Fixed! - It's only in tape, but it's good! - KRIS: I love it.
- CAITLYN: Off to Mammoth.
- (Ella whoops) (laughing, whooping) CANDIS: No one has ever challenged Caitlyn Jenner to anything - that she hasn't stepped up to the plate.
- ELLA: Kiss.
- Oh! - (Laughs) CANDIS: "Presidential hopeful Ted Cruz opposes equality for transgender people - because he thinks trans kids will molest his daughters.
" - ELLA: Ugh.
JENNY: Republicans.
Your people.
- They don't like us.
- CAITLYN: They're not my people if they're against this issue.