Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath (2016) s02e07 Episode Script

These people are doing extreme things, and they need to be held accountable.
A child is not a special species of animal distinct from man.
A child is a man or a woman who has simply not reached their full growth yet.
So any law which applies to the behavior of men and women also applies to children.
In 1987, celebrated Scientologists Debbie Mace and Carol Kingsley opened the first Mace-Kingsley Ranch in Palmdale, California.
They promoted it as a place for youth to receive an education and a wholesome camp-like experience that would set them on their path to being good Scientologists.
According to their promotion, the intention of the Mace-Kingsley Ranch was to deal with children of Scientologists who were in trouble, to use Scientology technology and auditing to get them on the straight and narrow and move them onto the first steps of the bridge.
I am the writer of the textbooks of Scientology.
The aim and goal is to put man in a mental condition, uh, where he him can solve his own problems.
Without any Scientology organization things are not gonna change on this planet.
After years of slowly questioning Scientology Leah Remini and her very public break with Scientology Stop lying to people that they hold their eternity in their hands.
Stop telling parents that it doesn't matter what you do this lifetime other than Scientology.
If your religion is so amazing and doing all these amazing things for the world, then it should stand up to some questioning.
I would repeat this line, "I want to die.
I want to die".
That was my first idea of I want to end my own life.
You gave me up at 13 years old.
How could you think that this was okay for me? These people are doing extreme things, and they need to be held accountable.
For us to do more of this, we wanted to do something that could help these people.
We need to do more than simply document stuff.
You got this.
People will continue to speak.
People will continue to fight.
If you introduce children to Scientology technology, it starts with the belief that Scientology is saving the planet.
Without Scientology, your soul will be doomed to hell for eternity and that you are a down stat and everything bad that happens to you happened to you because you made it happen.
Right.
A down stat kid is one that might have behavioral issues.
- So being a kid.
- Being a kid, yeah.
It's part of the theory of Scientology ethics that you penalize down stats.
At the Mace-Kingsley Ranch, there's been reports of treatment of these "wayward children" in Scientology was corporal punishment and hard manual labor.
I'm already upset, and I haven't even gotten there yet.
I'm already feeling emotional about this.
- Hey.
- Hi.
- How are you? - Hey.
Nathan.
- Hi, Leah.
- Nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you.
Hi.
- Hi.
Tara.
- Hi, Nathan.
- Mike, nice to meet you.
Nathan.
Nice to meet you too, buddy.
Thank you for being here.
- Hi, Tara.
- Hug.
My name is Nathan Rich, and I was involved with Scientology for about 17 years.
I was at the Mace-Kingsley Ranch in Palmdale from 1990 to '91 and the Mace-Kingsley Ranch in New Mexico from 1996 to 1999.
- Thank you guys for coming.
- Sure.
It was a long trip for you, huh? Yep.
I think what you guys are doing is important, and I think that this is something that needs to be part of it.
When you first reached out to me, I went, "I I can't believe this".
I even said to Leah, there are these people that are sending us emails, and they've got these unbelievable stories about what happened to them as children at these ranches.
So I then went back and said, "Do you know anybody else?" and suddenly, there is 20 people who all say exactly the same thing.
I'm Tara Reile.
I went to Mace-Kingsley Ranch School in New Mexico from February of 1996 to December of 1997.
My father and his whole family were Scientologists.
My mom and her whole family were Catholic.
So we were still raised with, like, the principles of Scientology.
My mom had me when she was 17.
My biological father wasn't around.
She ended up meeting my my father that I know as my dad when I was three.
He adopted me and raised me as his own.
And you guys hadn't seen each other in 20 years? - Twenty years, yeah.
- Yeah.
And where did you guys meet? At the Mace-Kingsley Ranch.
'96.
I went to the first ranch before that as well.
Wow.
What was your experience? So I was born into a Scientology family.
My mother was OT III, and my whole father's side of my family was cut out of my life for not being Scientologists, so she was the only parenting that I had.
My mother was very much into having me do Scientology courses and training, auditing, from literally as early as I can remember.
I just wasn't really taking to it and felt like, "I'm doing this for my mother".
When I was about seven or eight, I started acting out a bit.
I wanted to be a normal kid, and for some reason, to me that meant collecting baseball cards, so I started ditching school and stealing baseball cards.
I had been kicked out of some Scientology schools for, you know, talking back, not really doing the study technology, the Scientology stuff, and that was really the only trouble that I had been in so far.
I just wasn't acclimating to Scientology.
I wasn't into it.
My mother started to really notice this, and I'm not sure how she found out about the ranch, but she told me, "You're gonna do camping," you know, "it's kind of like the Cub Scouts".
I think that the sort of drive that my mother had to take me to this ranch was that she probably thought that, for the future, it was gonna be hard for me to be a good Scientologist if I kept down this path, and she probably got pitched something about this ranch that will fix kids up and make them back into, you know, good Scientologists, and just went with it.
She took me out to Palmdale.
It was a long gravel road leading up to some wooden fences with a house, and then behind the house was a trailer.
And then there was, like, little corrals, like, horse corrals, out back.
We met a man named Wally Hanks there.
Wally was a very large guy with a beard.
Very sort of powerful presence.
According to him, he was a Vietnam vet, he was a helicopter gunner, so he was obviously, you know, a very intimidating guy.
When I first arrived, they were very nice to me.
Everything seemed like it was gonna be how it was described.
But pretty much as soon as my mother left, the tone changed more to, "Okay, now we've got you.
Let's get you to work".
Life at the Palmdale ranch was generally that you you wake up, you gotta clean your room immediately, and then you go and you have breakfast, and then you have a lot of what they call MEST work, which is essentially physical labor, and then you have to clean up everything after that, the whole all the grounds, everything.
You would do some type of schooling.
Things that you need to study for Scientology.
But not any schooling, really? No, there wasn't any, like, math or history or anything like that.
Each morning at the ranch, they would have a muster of all the kids, and then they would read aloud all of the commendations that people got.
And then they would read aloud the KRs.
Well, what are KRs? So KR's a knowledge report, which means it's kinda like a chit or writing up somebody who's done something wrong.
So one kid kind of ratting out another kid.
And at eight, you guys are writing reports on each other.
- Yeah.
- Okay.
And so if you didn't like a kid, you'd write a KR on him, even if he didn't do it.
What are those things, and what were the punishments? If you said a cuss word, for example, you would have to do what they called Suzy-Qs, which are kind of modified squat jump push-ups, and then it goes up from there.
I was generally dirty.
I was a scrappy kid running around, you know, in the dirt, and that wasn't acceptable.
One of the security guards was told that he needed to give me what they called a GI shower, and essentially what he did is, he took me out from muster to that communal shower stall and had all of the students and staff, including the girls, surround the fence and look in while he scrubbed me with a metal fence brush.
Oh, my God.
He was very careful not to give me anything more than some scratches.
What in the fuck? If any kids tried to bring up, you know, "Why are you treating us like this? We're just kids," which actually has happened before, then he would just bring out the policies that say, very clearly, that children essentially should be treated as adults and use that as a justification for punishing you.
But the fact is, you're punishing children.
I was eight.
I was eight years old.
So the first time that I I smoked a cigarette was also at the ranch.
Another kid and I found it under a table, and so we smoked part of it.
We thought we got away with it.
The next day, there was a KR on us, and Wally Hanks read the KR, and he said, "Okay, well, playing with fire.
Three paddles each".
And so the paddle was a big, wooden paddle with holes drilled through it and notches on it from all the kids who had been hit by it.
And Wally would reach up, get it down from the wall, and he would bend you over a couch in front of all the kids and staff, and then he would hit you with it.
People would kind of put tissues in their underpants, and so sometimes you would have to take your pants down or even take your underwear down to get paddled.
- In front of everyone.
- In front of people? In front of everybody, yeah.
Boys, girls, and all the staff, and, generally, before those types of punishments, Wally would take the Ethics Conditions and read the description of somebody who was in that condition, right? Like, if you're supposed to be in the Enemy condition, he'll read, and he'll be like, you know, an Enemy is this person and that person that is this way.
And then he'll basically be kind of telling you that you're that Enemy or you're a Liability to the group And then dish the punishment out to you.
Is it all him? No, because you've got the backing of policy now.
And that actually makes it scarier, because, instead of just one guy who's got some problem, he's a guy with the power of this religion behind him.
Right, so you have heard that tape of Wally Hanks - beating Marco? - Yeah, yeah.
He says that's a made-up, manufactured tape that doesn't have anything to do with him.
That is definitely his voice.
I recognized it immediately.
I could pick it out from a voice lineup.
I mean, it's him.
Fuck no, man! That's enough, man! Sit down! Sit down! Yeah, that that's Wally Hanks talking.
Hearing him tell that kid to look at the picture of L.
Ron Hubbard is it brought back just a like, a flood of memories.
The fact that Scientology responded with "She was just "a lay person, and that's the way that school deals with children who are in trouble" is bullshit.
Scientology schools are run on Scientology technology.
It doesn't matter if you're just an average Scientologist.
It is all run the same way Learn what LRH is saying exactly.
Apply it exactly to yourself and to your children.
What was going on that got you to the ranch? When I was 11, I caught my dad, literally, cheating on my mother.
I was upset about it, and my grandma told me that, you know, it was my it was my fault.
What was your fault? That your father was cheating? That my parents were well, that parents were probably gonna get divorced because I caught my father cheating on my mom.
And your grandmother was a Scientologist? Yeah, I just remember, like, being devastated.
- Right.
- Just devastated.
Jump ahead to 13, I'm crazy, like, rambunctious, you know, kid.
Nobody could handle me.
No one could handle you.
You know, like, divorce.
Most kids act out.
My dad said, "We have nowhere to put you.
"Nobody wants you.
I've heard of this place "in New Mexico that, you know, I'm willing to pay for to, you know, get you some help".
My dad had a pamphlet of the ranch, and it looked awesome.
Like, kids were horseback riding.
There was, like, waterfalls and ATVs, and I was like, "Oh, my God, this is amazing".
And they had already planned it 'cause I had asked him, like, well, when is this happening? He was like, "Two days".
He told me that I would only be there for three months.
It was a three-month program.
"I'm really proud of you for going, and, you know, "hopefully, when you're done, you can come back and live with us at home".
Like, they must really love me to send me here.
When I first got there, I mean, it was beautiful.
It's in the middle of the Gila wilderness in New Mexico.
The girls stayed at the upper ranch, which was, like, two miles up the mountain in this beautiful house.
Everything else we did down at the lower ranch.
That's where the boys stayed.
We had our course down there, auditing, and, for all intents and purposes, it looked great.
Like, I saw kids working and stuff like that, but I didn't realize until, like, day three that it was, like, holy shit this is a labor camp.
The kids took care of the ranch.
You know, like, the staff members were there to oversee everything and keep everything in line, but we really were the ones that took care of it.
So your everyday life was what? - Cleaning, doing Scientology - Yeah, cleaning, auditing, hard work, chopping wood, like, tons of wood.
We're not talking, like, a little for the winter.
Digging ditches or building fences.
It was really strenuous and back-breaking.
I started going back to Scientology schools and I had some resentment about my childhood with the ranch, and so I started just kind of being a young rebel, but also really particularly not being on course, not being in session.
That, plus me not getting along with my mother it was a very large relationship in my life.
It was the only one that mattered, and it was falling apart.
There was a lot of pressure from my mother about Scientology.
Pressure in school for Scientology.
So I started acting out.
I started, you know, sneaking out at night.
I was pretty miserable and pretty unhappy.
My mother knew that I had a friend that I liked that was a Scientology kid, so she's always paying attention to if I like any Scientology kids so I can hang out with them, and she told me that this particular Scientology kid was gonna go to a Scientology school that she wanted me to go to also, and so I thought, "Well, that might be cool.
I mean, that guy's a cool guy".
And so I agreed, and then Wednesday rolls around, and I woke up at 8:00 in the morning.
The security guard from the first ranch, the guy who scrubbed me with a metal fence brush was on my bed.
He told me that he's there to take me back to the ranch, "But don't worry, it's much, you know, better now.
"We don't there's none of the abuses that were "at the first ranch.
Wally's not there.
"Don't worry about it.
We've moved to New Mexico.
"We've got this huge campus now.
"It's great.
None of that "old bad stuff happens.
It's just camping and hanging out, and, you know, it's kind of fun".
He was having me pack a trunk full of stuff that was essential.
As he's telling me more and more, I'm sort of kind of snapping into reality and realizing what's happening, and then I start to say, like, "No, I'm not I'm not going.
I'm not going".
And so he grabbed my arm, twisted it around my back, and quite literally dragged me from my home, kicking and screaming, and, as I'm being taken out of there, my mother was sitting at the dining table, had been sitting there the whole time, and she was actually smiling when they were dragging me out.
When you arrive at this ranch, they put you straight into what they call camp, and it's this cabin.
And camp is both for new arrivals and for kids that are misbehaving.
So you get thrown right into all the down stat people.
When I showed up, none of them were new, so they were all kind of, you know, people that had gotten sent there for punishment.
That's how we met 'cause I was in camp and you were in camp.
Myself and a few other kids before Nate got there got into some trouble.
The boys would sneak up to the upper ranch, and, you know, we would do that thing that we weren't supposed to be doing.
- Sex? - Yeah.
- Okay.
- And I guess that's how camp was born.
The boys and some of the girls had to build the cabin that Nate's talking about.
Hang on, why were you told to build this? - What were you told? - Well, 'cause we were in trouble.
When you get in trouble, you can't be with general population.
So you guys were made to build this camp, and that was your punishment? Yeah, the punishment was once one, build your prison And two - Live in it.
- And you live it in.
We were segregated from the rest of the group.
The punishment and the drive to deal with down stats is an effort to restrain your reactive mind.
I mean, that is what is right in the Ethics book.
L.
Ron Hubbard has a theory that you can control and restrain those impulses that come from your reactive mind by putting enough pressure and threat of external consequences to prevent the reactive mind from taking charge.
This is used as justification for why you put restraint on people, why you punish them and tell them if they do such and such, this will be the result.
The reactive mind being just basic human emotion.
Just shut just shut it down.
It's not like you're "down stat" for that week.
- You're given a label - Yeah.
- That you are bad.
- Yeah.
You're just, in general, bad, and everything that's happened from the age of three on up has been you are bad.
There's something wrong with you that Scientology is going to fix.
At the ranch, I mean, it was hard labor.
They've got this huge area of horse corrals with these big metal fences And they're all rusty.
And then they give you an amount of sections of the fence which you're now required to scrub all of the rust off of and make it shiny silver.
We would run out of grill brushes, so we had to use rocks most of the time.
It's really had to make a rusty fence shine with a rock, so we'd be out there for a long time.
- Yeah.
- Did any of the parents come and go, "This is insane that our kids are living - like this"? - Well, when the parents came, we had a whole good week to white-glove and make it, like, "parents are coming everybody happy".
Wow, okay, and were you guys ever told what to do if the authorities ever came to the ranch? They would send us away on camping trips when that type of thing was gonna happen, and then they would leave some of the kids there who were the kind of the guys that had sort of been drinking the Flavor Aid, you know what I mean? The oh, the mouthpieces.
The mouthpieces.
- Yeah, right.
- The PR children.
So they had a plan in place that they would remove you from the facilities.
They wouldn't tell you that plan, but what would happen is you would just unexpectedly suddenly go on a camping trip with no explanation.
The camping trips usually lasted, like, two weeks, and it was just work, work, work.
We would have to build these gabions, these big dams, these rock dams.
I mean, it was hard labor for our ages.
- It really was.
- Yeah.
Like, we were burning, I don't even know, thousands of calories, and there was a lack of food.
We really didn't fruits and vegetables.
You're lucky if they give you, like, a piece of bologna with a piece of bread.
- Ramen was really big.
- Ramen.
- We ate a lot of ramen dry.
- Not yeah, but dry.
- Yeah, - Dry ramen.
In camp, everything was like privilege-based.
Like, you couldn't even use the fire to heat up water to use for noodles.
There was one time I was starving.
Like, we'd been working and working, and I was so hungry.
The girl that was working in the kitchen, "the tent," she was, like, a friend of mine.
She was on the program with me, I'm like, "Please, just give me something to eat".
And she's like, "I can't".
So I grabbed a banana, and we ended up, like, fist fighting 'cause she would not let me have the banana, and I'm like, "Are you kidding me?" Like, and she couldn't because she would get in trouble if she let me have it.
I got mad and, like, destroyed what I could on my way out of the tent.
I had no idea what I was gonna do.
I didn't know what my punishment was gonna be, like, I was starving, and sad, and obviously, I because I destroyed the tent, I'm now an Enemy.
As punishment, they threw me in the lake with my my only dry warm clothes, so I was, like, freezing, and then I was the water girl.
We drank from this little they say it was a spring.
I don't know if it was a spring.
It was a puddle so my punishment was collecting five-gallon jugs of it with a little cup, and I'd have to go down before everybody woke up.
It takes a long to fill up a five-gallon water jug with a little, tiny Styrofoam cup.
And it was brown, it was disgusting.
And that's what we washed ourselves with and that's what we drank and made our food with.
I just remember walking down that pathway carrying gallons of water for people, and I'm somehow in trouble because I was hungry.
I had gotten over the initial shock of being at the ranch, and I really started to understand that this ranch was, in some ways, even worse than the first ranch because they had developed so much.
They were so advanced now at what they were doing.
That, for me, was just such a horrible experience to be in.
We decided that we were gonna run away, myself and some other kids, and so we formed this plan.
And the plan was that two kids were gonna go down to the bottom of the hill at camp, and they were gonna steal a truck.
And the way that they were gonna be able to do that is that myself and some other kids there were gonna light a fire, and we were gonna divert all the attention to the forest fire, so myself and then another couple kids started a fire, and then ran to go wait for the truck.
The two guys couldn't start the vehicle.
The security guards had removed the distributor cap from the engine, meaning each night, they would take a piece away from the engine so that it wouldn't be able to be started, just in case this type of thing happened.
So basically, we ended up starting this big forest fire, running and hiding and waiting for this truck that never came.
And then I could start to hear them on their quads, these four-wheeled vehicles that they would drive through the mountains and stuff.
They've all got dogs too, these security guards.
So you got security guards with guns and dogs and quads, and they would be on the radio saying, "We have a rabbit.
You know, we got six rabbits".
What are you guys doing? What are you doing? I just I didn't know what to do, so I eventually got, you know, caught.
It was almost impressive how many different ways that they could that they had figured out to control you and make you do what they wanted you to do.
You are never going to leave unless you become a Scientologist and prove to them that you're a good Scientologist.
At the Mace-Kingsley Ranch, they had ten large steps that you're supposed to do before you can leave.
What can you remember were some of the points? One of the ten points to get you out of this program.
- Scientology accomplishment? - A course, yeah.
Yeah, it's called the technical steps.
It's all Scientology courses.
Another one was the production step, which had several sub-steps, and these are things like, you know, "Attention to detail when you're cleaning.
Being able to, you know, lead others in cleaning".
- Okay.
- And the ninth one was called family handling, which is where you essentially call your family up, you know, apologize, make amends, do your conditions towards them, but, in reality, because you're the significantly disadvantaged one in a boarding school, and everything's your fault and your responsibility, it's more like, in actuality, you're calling them, apologizing for everything, admitting that they've done no wrong, and now you're done.
You've handled you family.
It started to sink in.
Like, I'm probably never gonna go home.
Like, there's no way I'm gonna able to complete all of these steps.
Because if you screw up in any way, shape, or form, it's you get bumped back.
My father told me that I would only be there for three months, and three months came and went, and I was still there, and then summer came, and Thanksgiving came, and Christmas came, and those were pretty lonely days.
You know, I did what I had to do to finish the program, and I ended up graduating, and I thought I would be going home right away.
What did your father say to you? Basically, like, they were trying to figure out what they should do with me 'cause my dad was like, "I already spent $150,000.
I don't" - $150,000? - $150,000, yeah.
And so my family didn't think that I was, you know, Scientologist enough to rejoin the family, so I was basically just on my own.
I still hear about that I owe them I owe them $150,000.
"Like, you know, you really owe your father his money back" and all this stuff.
Like, no, I don't.
I don't owe anybody anything.
I I was a scared, sad kid whose world fell apart, and then I was you know, I was told it was my fault and then shipped away.
The whole Scientology aspect of that of truly, like, making you believe that you you are at fault for everything that's happened, it really, really messes with you as a person, and, you know, I still struggle with that.
I still have that deep-rooted fear that, you know, I am a bad person, and I am not worth it, and I don't know why I'm here, honestly.
I don't know how I've made it this far 'cause I've wanted to give up many times.
And I'm still trying to figure out how to I'm sorry.
Um you know, just be okay.
That stuff didn't that what happened to me wasn't all of my fault.
Well, none of it was your fault.
You were children.
Both of you, all of you there were children.
And you were victims.
It's really hard, emotionally.
- Yeah.
- Yeah, so Thank you for telling me all that.
I know it's not easy.
My family does not know that I'm doing this, and um or talking about the church and my friends 'cause I know there's friends that don't know, so by telling my story, I'm, essentially, going to lose contact with my entire family.
I just I would like my dad to see what really was happening this whole time, and I'm really sorry that if if he truly still believes that this is all my doing.
And that I'm responsible for all of it.
It's really tough.
So there's a piece I have to tell you.
The rules at the ranch were that, when you first come, you can't talk to your family for two weeks because, presumably, you're very upset.
The security guard that was watching me on my second day didn't know that or forgot or something, and allowed me to call my mother, and I asked her, "Where's my stuff? The stuff that I packed up, why has that not been sent to me?" And she asked to talk to a staff member, so I gave the phone over.
The staff member said, "Okay, you know, sure, she's gonna send out your stuff, whatever".
I later found out that, actually, what she told them was that she requested that I never be allowed to talk to them again until I graduate.
So over two years, I wasn't even allowed to call my family or write them a letter or talk to them in any way.
And I never saw my family for that entire time.
Wow.
By this time, I had really given up on any hope, but, as I'm getting closer and closer to 18, suddenly the program started getting easier and easier, and people were getting nicer and nicer because they knew, when you're 18, you're just gonna walk out the door, and you're not a "success story" for them, so suddenly, all the steps are becoming very easy, and they kind of go, "Oh, you've pretty much done that.
We'll sign off on that".
So I actually requested that I be able to talk to my family, and then the ranch reached out to them and finally got them to agree because it was part of the program.
- Right.
- And so I talked to them.
Did my family handling, and then my family came out, and I graduated.
It just wasn't I just knew that I was just back in the same situation with the same pressure for Scientology, the same "Scientology's the answer to everything" mentality.
So I ran away, and I basically started a period of my life that lasted about seven years of just being totally homeless with nothing.
Sleeping next to dumpsters.
In and out of jail, drugs, and everything that comes with that kind of life.
I decided I wanted to pick up myself and do something, so I eventually decided that I wanted to go to school.
I did some research and found out that there was student loans that you can take out, and, if you're under 24, even if you're estranged from your parents, you still have to get their tax information on there, so I called my mother, and I said, you know, "Can you give me your tax information?" She said, "No".
And then I said, "Well, can you fill out "the FAFSA yourself online and not show it to me? I need this so I can go to school".
And she said no again.
So here's Nathan.
He somehow survives the physical and mental abuse that he receives from this Scientology school and his Scientology mother, somehow pulls himself out of that, and asks his mother his Scientology mother for one thing to get his life back on track, and she says no.
Why does she say no? Because you're not a Scientologist, Nathan.
That's why.
And so you deserve the shit life that I gave you, and what you're suffering now is only a result of you not doing Scientology.
That was the last time that I spoke to her on the phone, and I wrote her an email.
It basically said, "I hope you die alone.
"You know, you're a miserable, "horrible person, and you've just been "a horrible parent, and I just wish, you know, all the worst things on you".
And that was the last thing I ever said to her.
She died in 2010 from sudden cancer.
I really regret that I wasn't able to patch things up to some basic level of normalcy with her before she passed away.
It's really, really hit me hard that, you know, that's the last thing that I said to her.
Yeah.
I feel like people do have a lot of responsibility in their lives, and I don't think that there's any one cause for anything, but the largest piece of my life that's caused me the most trouble was definitely Scientology.
So if I could talk to my mother today, if I could say anything to her, I would tell her that That I don't hate her anymore.
And I forgive her.
The church will quickly distance itself from any of these activities if they believe that there is a PR liability to being associated with it.
Scientology will no doubt say, "Well, the ranches are closed down".
True But they are still very much operating in Clearwater and promotes itself as a route for children onto the Scientology bridge.
They still apply Scientology and L.
Ron Hubbard technology as the basis of their program.
It also promotes the fact that Mace-Kingsley has a long history of operating successful ranches.
That is on their website today.
And Debbie Mace and Carol Kingsley, they are celebrated for the work that they have done to get L.
Ron Hubbard's technology broadly known and applied.
In fact, Debbie Mace was presented the IAS Freedom Medal award for her work doing just that.
And therefore Mace-Kingsley school or family center or ranch or any other Scientology-affiliated organization that uses the technology of L.
Ron Hubbard operates with licenses and under the authority of the church.
Mike, I'm getting angrier and angrier.
As a parishioner of Scientology, I went in, I spent all my money, I donated all my money, I gave all of my time.
Did I have any idea that this shit was going on with children? No.
- It is upsetting.
- I know.
I know.
We're doing our best to do something about it.
We are acknowledging a group of people that have gone unacknowledged for so long, and they never once got, and they will never get, from the Church of Scientology, "We are sorry, we are sorry".
- Yeah.
- That happened.
It's like, what the fuck were we part of? These Scientology parents are sending the message to their children, "Scientology is everything".
Now they're chanting "sign the paper, sign the paper".
We were left home alone with strangers.
At five.
And learned things that we shouldn't learn.
Like what? Sexual stuff.
If you can't keep a mother and child together, how are you supposed to unite the planet? Does that make any sense to you? What they're doing is destroying families and robbing them of everything.