Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath (2016) s02e12 Episode Script
Propaganda Arms
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When the history of this planet is finally told, it will be a tale of a determined few who rose up against overwhelming odds and stood firm for the rights of man.
Today, we're going to be discussing Scientology's propaganda arms.
These propaganda arms, they claim they are taking care of drug the drug problem.
They're taking care of illiteracy.
They're bringing relief to people who have suffered natural disasters.
They are helping eradicate psychiatry.
They are doing away with crime.
They are somehow taking care of the broad problems in society.
These organizations have three purposes.
One, to create goodwill and public relations - for Scientology.
- Okay, second? Second, to convince Scientologists that Scientology is having a massive effect around the world.
Right, because why do these things, Mike? Why give up your life savings, your children and everything if we're not making any change - in the world? - Exactly.
Our hallmark is unrelenting commitment and enduring compassion, extending a hand however, wherever and whenever.
We are the IAS! And then three, fundraising, because Scientologists are hammered constantly to give money to support these "humanitarian" objectives.
These propaganda arms are proving to Scientologists that Scientology is single-handedly taking care of this planet.
It really affects you when you see these events.
There are five mandatory events in Scientology that all Scientologists have to attend, and if you can't attend, they make sure that you watch the video of it.
It's an amazing sales tool.
What happens is, to people like me who go to these events and I see the horses, you know, and the flag.
"Scientology is saving this sector of the universe, and we are saving mankind".
You know, it does work on me.
I mean, I got goose bumps when I used to sit in that audience, and I used to say to myself like, "Wow, Leah, "you've been so critical of your church.
"These people have accepted your church.
"Look at these amazing things that they're doing in the world".
There are these groups that go out and say, well, "We're the Way to Happiness Foundation," and they don't tell anybody that they are a Scientology propaganda arm.
And, for the person who might be, you know, brighter than the average schmuck, they say, "Well, hang on a second.
It says L.
Ron Hubbard.
What's the answer to that?" This is not related to the Church of Scientology.
This L.
Ron Hubbard wrote various things.
They are applicable to all of life.
We're just doing good works in the community.
The thing is that when they tell those people that and someone then says, "Well, thank you so much for your great work that you have done," and they say "Well, would you please give us a letter, or would you sign a proclamation?" Or we just happen to have a camera crew and a dolly set up.
We just happen to have that.
Would you do us a quick favor and just say to the camera That statement is now going to be shown to convince Scientologists that the government of X, Y, and Z country, the mayor of this place, all of these people are supporting Scientology and our programs.
But if you go to those people and say, are you aware of the fact that your statement was shown at an event for Scientology, it was put in the Scientology magazines? - They're like "We had no idea".
- Right.
It really affects you when you see these events.
For somebody like me who's just a civilian Scientologist, I go "What? The President of Uganda?" For which there now comes an official partnership with the office of Uganda's President.
And that says to Scientologists that the world at large is accepting Scientology.
Hey, Mike, I have a question for you.
- Yeah? - When you did those events - Yeah.
- And you came out onstage Please welcome Mr.
Mike Rinder.
We've continued our events, conferences, and hand-to-hand distribution, reaching no less than 131 million worldwide this year.
At the time, did you believe that that was true? I always knew that everything was being presented in the best possible light, and that's probably the kindest way of putting it.
Even if what was being shown wasn't exactly that, - there was - Some truth to it.
- There was some truth.
- So it worked on you too - as a Sea Org member? - Sort of, yeah.
I mean, I could tell you that I believed it when I was like, you know, with my attitude, like, you know, don't attack Scientology.
You know, without Scientology, there would be no like Without any Scientology organization, things are not going to change on this planet.
We are the most ethical group you're ever going to find and actually the only group that's really making change for mankind.
And I really believed it.
I really believed we were doing those things.
Yeah, well, you were supposed to.
So, that's what we're going to cover.
So who are we going to be talking to tonight? Well, we're going to be talking to Tony Ortega.
He's a journalist who's been reporting on and exposing abuses in Scientology for decades.
Fred Oxaal, a 30-year Scientologist, who was one of the people that helped start the Way To Happiness Foundation.
- Welcome, gentlemen.
- Thank you.
Thank you so much for joining us today.
Back in the '60s, there were a couple of people who took what Hubbard had done and turned it into a drug rehabilitation program, which ultimately became Narconon.
And then a couple of people had taken Hubbard's study technology and were starting to use it in a secular setting.
And they generated some goodwill, and L.
Ron Hubbard reviewed this and said, "Look, these things are generating good public relations for Scientology".
Right.
"So let's formalize their organization," and the instruction was expand these things to keep generating goodwill - and good PR for Scientology.
- Right.
That is the history of the start of all of this, which has now reached the level where these propaganda arms are all over, - and there are many of them.
- Yeah, they're popping up, - and they're changing names.
- They're they're everywhere.
Scientology makes these astonishing claims about both the efficacy and the reach of its propaganda arms.
This is Guatemala.
With 2.
3 million copies, federal statistics reported a full 21% drop in homicides.
Through campaigns to disseminate the truth about drugs, we've reached more than half a billion people just this year alone, and all while 27 million people now safe from psych abuse through your support of the IAS.
And this is something that is a very important thing that is used to convince Scientologists that they need to give money, because if he just kept standing there and saying "This is what we're doing, give us your money," and there was nothing to show people, then they wouldn't keep giving the money.
But the real focus of this is Scientologists are being hoodwinked into giving money for things that aren't happening.
Narconon is another one of the organizations that Scientology uses to generate propaganda.
And, just to be clear, Narconon is a drug rehabilitation program.
There is an answer to the nightmare of addiction the Narconon Drug Rehabilitation Program.
Narconon will admit that it uses L.
Ron Hubbard's - Technology.
- Ideas.
They do their best not to say anything about Scientology.
The argument that gets made is, yes, but there are other religious drug rehab programs, and there are, there's many of them.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, and, if you go to those, they will tell you "Our program is based on the Bible".
The difference with Narconon is that Scientology tries to keep a distance from it, and Narconon tries to keep a distance from Scientology all the way until you get to an event, and then, oh, now everything about Narconon is a part of us.
So, to begin where it all begins, let's return to our international Narconon center at Arrowhead.
To date and by the numbers, Arrowhead's technical delivery unit has now trained 412 LRH drug rehab specialists from 19 nations and 47 U.
S.
states.
The International Association of Scientologists, we're the ones that are making Narconon.
We're the ones that put Narconon there.
We take credit for all of the accomplishments of Narconon, and every Scientologist that's sitting in the audience goes "Oh my God, look what we're doing to salvage people from the ravages of drugs".
The people that are most fooled about this - Are Scientologists.
- Are Scientologists.
Oh yeah.
Because this is what gets used to raise money.
Over half a million stand as living proof that Narconon salvages lives like never before.
I know how that figure gets arrived at.
- How? - Everybody who has ever done a purification program in a Church of Scientology or in Narconon is counted.
Oh, so it's not even just from Narconon.
It's from actual Churches of Scientology? - Absolutely right.
- Okay.
You see, it doesn't say 2.
5 million people have completed - the Narconon program.
- What does it say? It says there are a half million lives salvaged from the ravages of drugs - or words like that.
- Right.
'Cause a lot of this is also smoke and mirrors, the way that words are put together and sentences are constructed to create an impression which isn't what is actually being said.
Yeah, and what do they say on their own website about their success rate? They at minimum will tell you that they have about a 70% success rate.
I've seen advertisements for Narconon going up to 90% success rate.
People who are legitimate rehab experts will tell you the best programs have about a 25% success rate.
Exactly, and why no one has said anything about that, why no one has taken them to task.
I mean, it's right on their website.
Right.
In fact, we have documents showing their own attorneys saying "We have to stop saying that, it's not true".
It's outrageous.
Scientology advertises that it's going to give you individualized drug counseling.
And they're very careful never to tell you that you won't be talking about drugs at all.
You're just getting Scientology training.
And the victims of Narconon are not just Scientologists who are being raised money from.
It's the people who go into Narconon not knowing what they're getting into and people who have compromised immune systems, compromised livers who then go into this 25-day sauna program where they're being baked, you know, four or five hours a day.
Well, these parents, before sending their loved ones to Narconon should be checking it out before putting them into a risky situation.
- Agreed.
- Agreed.
It's risky, it's bad, and several people have died.
It's very simple, you know.
Look at the news.
Well, Narconon Arrowhead is a drug treatment center.
A former patient contacted us after he became concerned about deaths that occurred there.
Three people died while in their care.
Stacy Murphy isn't the first person to die at Narconon's Arrowhead facility here in Oklahoma.
In fact, she's the third person to die here in less than a year.
What the Way to Happiness is used for is a propaganda tool for Scientologists and to make it appear that Scientology, which supports the Way to Happiness, - is changing the world.
- Right.
Only to what's described as dramatic improvements in police performance since the Way To Happiness, Karachi crime and terrorist action just fell more than 30%.
The Way To Happiness is a non-religious moral code that L.
Ron Hubbard wrote separate from his actions as the founder of Scientology and "Dianetics".
He did write he thought maybe the Way To Happiness would be the thing he would become most well-known for.
And, as it turned out, the focus of my job became to print up all these millions of books that we were distributing around the world.
You might not even remember this, but when you were about 10 or 12 or 13 years old you were the receptionist at the Way To Happiness Foundation.
Was I? I don't even remember.
I used to pick you up at your house Did you? How nice.
And drive you to work in the afternoons.
I'd pick you up at around 12:30 in the afternoon.
- Really? - Yeah.
- How was I? - You were awesome.
You were just like you are now, as a matter of fact.
- Pain in the ass.
- Full of life - Scared everyone away.
- And we had some fun.
I want to introduce a little history about this because the timing is very important.
This booklet came out in 1980.
What was happening in 1980? The FBI had raided the Church of Scientology in 1977.
L.
Ron Hubbard's own wife, Mary Sue, was on trial in 1979.
There was incredible bad publicity about the Church of Scientology across the country.
L.
Ron Hubbard knew he had to put out a booklet to push against that and say "Here's what we believe".
And what does it have? It has these basic precepts of right and wrong in order to push back against this wave of bad publicity about what was going on in the Church at the time.
From what I have been told and what I have seen on their website that by people handing out "The Way To Happiness" booklets by L.
Ron Hubbard is reducing crime in amazing ways.
It is solving every problem that the world has ever confronted.
Look, there's nothing inherently wrong - with a moral code.
- Nothing.
Or distributing a moral code.
Where this becomes problematic is when it's distributed under the auspices of an organization that says it has nothing to do with Scientology and makes claims about the results of what the organization's doing in the distribution of this booklet.
And then that gets turned into propaganda for Scientology.
So now their victims are Scientologists like me who believe this when we see these events that, you know, "The Way To Happiness" booklet has reduced crime in Colombia.
And distributing copies of the booklet to 20% of the population, the impossible had been achieved.
Crime rates dropped by 50% across the boards, and that's why they call it The Colombian Miracle.
I spent many years flying around the world, and I would sort of like arrive in some country, and there's like a pile of like 150,000 "Way To Happiness" books.
They would be in cartons sitting on pallets shrink-wrapped in big warehouses.
And it's like "You've got to get those out by next week, or else".
I'd have to like create a Way To Happiness campaign in some country Italy, Switzerland, France, South Africa, India.
- I was all over the place.
- And what's the campaign? Well, it always degenerated in the end down to a street handout.
In the U.
S.
, we would say that there are five schools in your city that are participating in this Set A Good Example contest, and thousands and thousands of children have benefitted from it and therefore and whereas.
We would get all of these endorsements from governors, congressmen, and mayors.
It would just go on and on.
We would write the proclamations.
Could you please declare, you know, May 9th as L.
Ron Hubbard Day.
Like, Congress, for example, they had these different systems in place, and we basically figured out how to game it, how to create the document.
You know, when I walk through Celebrity Centre, you know, it's exactly that.
I see proclamations in pretty frames, and I'm like "The governor? What? "Senators? What? Congressmen? What?" And that always got me back in.
I really hope that people understand when they say okay to these proclamations, these commendations, they are keeping people in an organization that is saying things they are not doing.
It breaks my heart that those activities inspired you to stay involved and donate money, it really does.
But, well, honey, that's not you.
I was part of it too, right? But, Fred, I have a question.
Were those things true that you were saying? We had all these kids participating, we've done all these Well, I'd say the most that we really penetrated into the school system was called the Set a Good Example contest under the name of the Concerned Businessmen's Association of America, and we had 4,000+ schools in all 50 states, many hundreds of thousands of students that were being passed out "Way To Happiness" books and even the study technology books and doing various little campaigns and activities in the school to "set a good example".
We would send them a $5,000 prize, and we worked on it for so many years so hard.
And I thought that, yes, what we were doing was getting L.
Ron Hubbard more well-known and well thought of so that then when someone went into a bookstore and saw "Dianetics" that it would be almost like a subliminal link to his good works as a humanitarian, and then, well, wow, what's "Dianetics" then? Let me find out more about that.
There is another thing that goes on.
Like, okay, we have to get "Way To Happiness" booklets distributed to everybody in Venezuela because Venezuela is collapsing as a country.
So, we need you to donate money to give these booklets out to everybody to save Venezuela.
Yet, the "donation" is not the cost of printing the booklets and getting them there.
The donation is the full price with profit, etcetera, that is designated this is the price of a package of 12 "Way To Happiness" booklets.
Right, 'cause it's $1.
00 a book, $12 a dozen.
Right out of the chute, 15% would go right to L.
Ron Hubbard.
But let's say somebody was at Flag, and they purchased one, a Scientology service, like a training package.
Well, there was a royalty that got paid to L.
Ron Hubbard for using his technology.
- The films, the movies.
- Right.
So instead they get convinced to donate that money "on account" to "The Way To Happiness" campaign in Venezuela.
Well, then another 15% goes to L.
Ron Hubbard in book royalty.
So there's not only - you didn't know about it.
- I never thought about that.
- I never thought about that.
- Yeah.
If a Scientologist is paying a dollar each, what did it actually cost the Church of Scientology The Way To Happiness Foundation to print Well, eventually Bridge Publications, the publishing arm of the Church of Scientology, would arrange with a printer to print the books.
The last time I saw it, it was 15 cents.
So a booklet cost a dollar.
15% goes off the top to L.
Ron Hubbard.
It costs 15 cents to manufacture it.
So there's 70 cents left.
There would be a commission paid to the bookseller.
So that's another 10 cents.
Right, so we had to pay rent to Flag and the phone bills and the hotel and all of this sort of stuff.
So I'd have to we'd pay the commissions right back in just to be there.
Nobody nobody was getting rich on those ends.
So you were paying Scientology - to be housed in their own - Their facilities.
It's A forensic accountant would have to figure out exactly how it all went down.
Well, you don't need much of a forensic accountant to figure out that it was a lot of bullshit.
The first thing always with these donations, the money goes to L.
Ron Hubbard - Right.
That's right.
- Or to author services.
I think Tony has written that Hubbard was supposedly worth like $500 million when he died.
I don't even know if he even knew it.
And you can see how he accumulated it.
With every single transaction - flowing money to him - Right.
It's $600 million that was donated back to the Church of Scientology - when he died.
- Wow.
We are joined now by a long-time Scientologist, Quailynn, who was a dedicated Scientologist for 20 years.
Tonight, we're going to be talking specifically about your involvement with these propaganda arms of Scientology.
Yes, I have experience in all the propaganda arms.
Wow.
With WISE, with ABLE, with Scientology Missions International, Applied Scholastics, the Way To Happiness, CCHR, Youth for Human Rights, and the Volunteer Ministers.
And so did you help people? Absol wait, hold on.
I don't know if I helped people, but I helped the Church for sure.
Oh, okay.
Isn't that what you're supposed to be doing is helping people? I did ask myself that question at one point.
What I saw made me very uncomfortable, and I thought, "Well, I must not understand what's going on here".
The Church of Scientology says, "Okay, there's been a catastrophe".
- Right.
- Get your yellow shirt on.
- It says "Volunteer Minister".
- Okay.
And get down to Katrina.
Well, it was actually more dramatic than that because my husband and I were up in Seattle on a ferry, and we got a call.
I was a volunteer minister.
I had a mission.
My husband's a pilot, and we had a plane.
So we immediately flew home to Clearwater, picked up the plane, changed our shirts, and he dropped me off in New Orleans on Day Three.
- Okay.
- So you get just dumped into this chaos because there's curfew and martial law and checkpoints, but there's no water.
There's no blankets.
There's no food.
So what did you do? We took volunteer minister booklets, and we distributed them to the National Guard.
- That's what we did.
- What were the booklets? - "How To Improve A Marriage".
- By L.
Ron Hubbard? Yeah, the volunteer minister booklets.
"How To Improve A Marriage".
- Touch Assists.
- Study Technology.
Study Tech.
I talked to my husband.
I'm like "Are you sure we didn't put any water in the plane?" Any food? Any blankets? He's like, "No, we didn't take any of that.
"I just flew you and some other people with yellow shirts back and forth a few times".
What were you told that your mission was? To just hand out these booklets to the National Guard and take a picture? Give them assists and give them a booklet, and tell them about Scientology.
So the National Guard, did they find relief in these Scientology assists that you were giving them? - Were they - The reaction I got was a bit perplexed or confused.
Like uncertain.
Why are you doing this? Well, I mean they're dealing - with dead bodies.
- Yeah They're trying to help people survive.
And you're having them lay down on a table and tell them "Feel my finger".
Yeah, yeah.
But that's not what the volunteer ministers claim to do.
If they said, "Hey, we want you guys to fly out there, "and we just want you to make the people feel comforted by touching them".
That wouldn't have been a problem.
But if I'm just going to give them a booklet and tell them to go make their marriage better, - there's a disconnect there.
- Completely.
Well, yes, because we know that the purpose of it is just to introduce Scientology to the National Guard and to get a picture with them holding the volunteer ministers or giving a sound bite that said, you know, "The volunteer ministers, "the people in the yellow shirts, they gave me great relief".
Thank you, bye.
Wrap it up.
What's so clever and insidious about all of these things there's nothing wrong with going and helping doing disaster relief, because if you go back and look Scientologists will say that, you know, we have these massive number of volunteer ministers that helped and the Red Cross said how wonderful we were.
But the truth of the matter is that all of them are for the purpose of generating PR.
And make sure the cameras catch you doing it.
Well, everything needs to be a photo for evidence.
- They say that to you? - Absolutely.
We know this in Scientology you take pictures of everything you do.
Leah, there is a little booklet that Scientology distributed to everybody, "How To Shoot Your PR Activities".
And it says make sure that you document everything.
Make sure that you get everybody looking at the camera.
Make sure they're smiling.
Make sure you clean up anything in the background that you don't want to have there.
All the good PR that you are generating, make sure that you document it because good PR that isn't documented is useless.
When you watch these events, you see all these little pictures and little video clips of this and that because every person is out there documenting everything.
Scientology volunteer ministers brought their brand of indiscriminate succor to every major disaster in the last 10 years.
See, they didn't want to tell us that they were just rounding random kids up off the street, herding them in, giving them five bucks, and telling them to sit at a table and hold a book.
- Right.
- Because that would've created a problem for them, and the impression that gets created is that there were literally thousands of Scientologists that flocked to Katrina.
Yet when you talk to someone that was actually there they say, "Well, there was 25.
The most I ever saw was 40 people or 50 people".
Scientology will say with the volunteer ministers this is the largest private relief force on Earth.
With whole armies of yellow shirts materializing out of chaos to become the largest independent relief force this world has ever seen.
One guy and usually a couple of others in a staged, prop shot, and that is now presented.
There's a picture from here and a picture from here and a picture from here see, we're everywhere.
And things are changing.
It was a terror terrorism incident in London.
And people were killed.
And I published a document from a Scientologist - saying this's our opportunity.
- Right.
And that's how they see it.
These are opportunities to them.
But, like I said, I think the public is starting to understand that, you know, this is Scientology, and they are not necessarily very helpful when they're there.
The Citizens Commission on Human Rights, which has a very generic name, sounds great, human rights, but it has a very specific goal, and that is to destroy the psychiatric profession.
Psychiatry is the terrorist symbol that decimated 100 million human beings in the last century alone.
So, yes, the IAS rightly takes psychiatry seriously, and so we built an intrepid legion of Psych Busters who swear to inform and prosecute, to legislate and shut down and dismantle the whole infrastructure, thus ridding humanity of the ultimate evil.
And it's probably the most unhinged of all the propaganda arms.
I mean, it's the one that's sort of the most outrageous about what it does.
It actually has a museum on Sunset Boulevard.
Centered around 15 documentary films, the exhibition presents the unvarnished history of psychiatry, from its origins and practice of putting the mentally ill in cages to the present day mass drugging of society as the cure for invented mental disorders.
It tries to blame the entire Holocaust on psychiatry.
It's because it was the Nazi leadership.
They don't mention that.
In fact, a professor at Emory University has said that Scientology's blaming of the Holocaust on psychiatry is a soft core version of denialism.
Because it's not really blaming who was at fault - Sure, yeah.
Sure.
- Which was Nazi leadership.
So, there's something like 150,000 psychiatrists in the United States, and there's going to be a couple every year that are, you know, run into problems with the law.
And so Scientology will publicize that.
With 4,000 psychs now out of a license, out of job, arrested, fined, or colonizing prison cells, they can finally return to their primeval roots playing with their little furry friends in dungeons, and that's CCHR bringing psychiatry to Judgment Day on this 27th IAS anniversary.
We closed down these institutions that were abusing people, but when you investigate it they had nothing to do with it.
Right.
What really happens is that in that building on Sunset Boulevard, the Museum of Death, there is a boiler room in there, and they are responsible for monitoring and collecting all the information that appears anywhere about a psychiatrist being prosecuted - Disciplined.
- Or disciplined or whatever.
And they gather all that information up, and then it gets presented at the International Association of Scientology event, and it's this is what your support of the IAS makes possible.
Israel it's where institutional psychiatry slipped through the cracks of an otherwise socially conscious society.
By order of Israel's Ministry of Health, every Israeli private psych hospital is now terminated, and that's what it means to eradicate psychiatry right out of existence.
- Scientologists love that.
- Yes.
They jump up and yell and scream, and I used to do those speeches, Tony.
That was my speech, the CCHR.
We're eradicating, obliterating the psychs.
And then all of psychiatry is shoving down pills in our children's mouths.
I mean, you see all these celebrities of Scientology with the t-shirts.
"Stop drugging our children.
Psychiatry kills".
Listen, nobody's gonna say, "Yeah, I want you to over-drug my child".
This is one of the propaganda arms which has taken an issue that does have legitimacy.
There is a question about how much children - should be medicated.
- Of course.
And they know that many people will agree with their position on it.
But then when you drill down and look at what their position is on other things they really believe Scientology will replace psychiatry and psychology for mental healthcare in the United States.
It's interesting that one of Scientology's biggest donors, - Bob and Trish Duggan - Oh, this is funny.
There was a cancer drug that made Bob into a billionaire.
Uh-huh.
And the company that purchased his company makes psychiatric drugs.
And what we just found out recently was he took a million shares and put it into a foundation, and it's written into the foundation's bylaws that the income that gets generated from that, which is about $3 million a year, can only go to the Church of Scientology or one of its social betterment propaganda arms.
But what's so crazy is that I have friends who are forced to disconnect from parents or sisters who were on, you know, antidepressants or who had been in psychiatric care.
But yet Bob Duggan who's giving 10, $20 million a year to the IAS, he's being celebrated.
But the average Scientologist can't even go to therapy.
You can't even see a therapist in Scientology.
You can't go to yoga, spiritual yoga is forbidden.
Here are the richest Scientologist in the world, the biggest donor to Scientology made that money from drugs.
I talked to a lot of Scientologists.
So many of them will tell me that they've been out for five, ten years, and they finally have decided to get some therapy.
- Yes.
- And they can't believe how helpful it is, but it was so difficult for them.
Yeah, my husband and I 100% lived that.
It's a big step to take as a Scientologist to seek help.
And you're terrified to sit there.
You're like "I know you're the enemy".
Right.
Yes, but then you find out Not supposed to talk to you! But then you find out they're not.
- It takes a while.
- I know.
One of the propaganda arms that's really increased its activity in the last couple years is called the Youth for Human Rights.
It's got an interesting kind of background to it.
In 1948, Eleanor Roosevelt worked with the United Nations to put together a wonderful document called the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
To this day, it's a great document.
It lists all these different things - that all human beings - Of course.
Have a right to.
You should have a right not to be tortured, for example.
The Church of Scientology seized on this a few years ago, and they now have this campaign where they put out individual videos about each of the different rights, and they make a big deal about how it's youth for human rights.
They're reaching out to teenagers to tell them about their rights, because it's really important for American teenagers to realize that they can move to another town.
That's another one where there are a lot of officials and police chiefs and elected officials who get suckered into, oh, we've got like - We've got 15 children here.
- Of course.
And, look, we're promoting human rights.
Of course.
And of course they're gonna go "Well, I'm for human rights too".
Nobody's gonna say "I'm not".
- Right.
- I'll sign your pledge.
Yeah, so L.
Ron Hubbard wrote these policies like on the public image.
And in these directives of L.
Ron Hubbard he says we must appear as this, and we must appear as that.
We must align ourselves with other organizations that are really doing the work.
We must align ourselves with churches.
And that's how we will be successful, and that's how the public shall see us.
I was actually well-aligned all over the community.
- But purposely.
- Purposefully.
We even started attending Indian Rocks Church.
- Why? - My kids went to the school.
- Why? - Indian Rocks School.
We were deeply imbedding ourselves in the community.
We were the only Scientologists with kids at Indian Rocks that were non-Christian.
For for the purpose of what? To Safe Point yourself that we Yeah, we're Safe Pointed, we're normal, we're aligned, we're integrating, and we're accepting other faiths.
And I actively did disseminate and actively convert Christians into Scien and recruit them from that base.
Scientology always proceeds from the notion that they will be taking over the world.
And in order to take over the world they first need to send out these social coordination programs to soften up the field so people will then be ready to accept Scientology.
Well, whether or not they touch somebody's body or listen to them or maybe handed out a bottle of water here or there, what matters is that they are doing it for really a purpose.
And the purpose is to promote themselves, like Mike said, but also to keep parishioners in by the footage that they get, and, three, to milk the parishioners for more money.
Ultimately, it's to make a show at the event to convince Scientologists that something is being done.
And do you think that Scientology or that David Miscavige ever banked on the fact that eventually there would be an internet and those videos would get out? Because they'll have like a firefighter speaking about, hey, the volunteer ministers really helped me.
It will say "Firefighter, New York".
- Right.
- Like it won't say Like why doesn't it say the guy's name? I think you're exactly right.
It's because of the internet.
- They know it's gonna get out.
- Right.
And there's another part to this too.
Those events in theory those events are a celebration of the accomplishments of Scientology.
If that were true, then why are they not distributed - broadly to the public? - Right, to the news.
Why not give it to CNN? Why not give it to MSNBC and Fox and yeah? Why not make them available? No, this is in the mind of the Scientologist the proof of what Scientology is doing in the world.
- Right.
- So why not get that out there to everybody to see? - Right.
- Why not? - Can't stand up to scrutiny.
- That's exactly right.
The scrutiny of did they do anything.
That's exactly right.
It's very clever.
It's very calculated.
It's very produced, but it's smoke and mirrors, and underneath it is nothing other than this is a way of collecting more money.
That's correct.
At these IAS events, you have whales of Scientology getting these big crazy awards, handing over 15, $20 million.
When you think about how much money they raise just at a single event or a single year, how much help that money could be giving to people - who actually need it.
- I think it's not hard for Scientology to deliver what they promise as far as the propaganda groups if they just stepped up and actually did what they said they were doing.
Most of us stay in because we believe these things are going on in the world and we're making these big changes.
We're willing to consider divorcing our husbands and our wives, and we a lot of people disconnect from their children because of the propaganda that's being put out.
And I hope that somebody stops, looks, and says "I'm not putting my name on that" or says "I never said that".
You have a responsibility now that we continue to put this out.
You have a responsibility to do something.
We can't all do it.
So we hope that this affects some kind of change.
So thank you for doing what you've done.
- Thank you.
- You're welcome, thank you.
All right, do you want to start it? Rolling, let's settle.
We're rolling.
Speed.
Okay, quiet, please.
When the history of this planet is finally told, it will be a tale of a determined few who rose up against overwhelming odds and stood firm for the rights of man.
Today, we're going to be discussing Scientology's propaganda arms.
These propaganda arms, they claim they are taking care of drug the drug problem.
They're taking care of illiteracy.
They're bringing relief to people who have suffered natural disasters.
They are helping eradicate psychiatry.
They are doing away with crime.
They are somehow taking care of the broad problems in society.
These organizations have three purposes.
One, to create goodwill and public relations - for Scientology.
- Okay, second? Second, to convince Scientologists that Scientology is having a massive effect around the world.
Right, because why do these things, Mike? Why give up your life savings, your children and everything if we're not making any change - in the world? - Exactly.
Our hallmark is unrelenting commitment and enduring compassion, extending a hand however, wherever and whenever.
We are the IAS! And then three, fundraising, because Scientologists are hammered constantly to give money to support these "humanitarian" objectives.
These propaganda arms are proving to Scientologists that Scientology is single-handedly taking care of this planet.
It really affects you when you see these events.
There are five mandatory events in Scientology that all Scientologists have to attend, and if you can't attend, they make sure that you watch the video of it.
It's an amazing sales tool.
What happens is, to people like me who go to these events and I see the horses, you know, and the flag.
"Scientology is saving this sector of the universe, and we are saving mankind".
You know, it does work on me.
I mean, I got goose bumps when I used to sit in that audience, and I used to say to myself like, "Wow, Leah, "you've been so critical of your church.
"These people have accepted your church.
"Look at these amazing things that they're doing in the world".
There are these groups that go out and say, well, "We're the Way to Happiness Foundation," and they don't tell anybody that they are a Scientology propaganda arm.
And, for the person who might be, you know, brighter than the average schmuck, they say, "Well, hang on a second.
It says L.
Ron Hubbard.
What's the answer to that?" This is not related to the Church of Scientology.
This L.
Ron Hubbard wrote various things.
They are applicable to all of life.
We're just doing good works in the community.
The thing is that when they tell those people that and someone then says, "Well, thank you so much for your great work that you have done," and they say "Well, would you please give us a letter, or would you sign a proclamation?" Or we just happen to have a camera crew and a dolly set up.
We just happen to have that.
Would you do us a quick favor and just say to the camera That statement is now going to be shown to convince Scientologists that the government of X, Y, and Z country, the mayor of this place, all of these people are supporting Scientology and our programs.
But if you go to those people and say, are you aware of the fact that your statement was shown at an event for Scientology, it was put in the Scientology magazines? - They're like "We had no idea".
- Right.
It really affects you when you see these events.
For somebody like me who's just a civilian Scientologist, I go "What? The President of Uganda?" For which there now comes an official partnership with the office of Uganda's President.
And that says to Scientologists that the world at large is accepting Scientology.
Hey, Mike, I have a question for you.
- Yeah? - When you did those events - Yeah.
- And you came out onstage Please welcome Mr.
Mike Rinder.
We've continued our events, conferences, and hand-to-hand distribution, reaching no less than 131 million worldwide this year.
At the time, did you believe that that was true? I always knew that everything was being presented in the best possible light, and that's probably the kindest way of putting it.
Even if what was being shown wasn't exactly that, - there was - Some truth to it.
- There was some truth.
- So it worked on you too - as a Sea Org member? - Sort of, yeah.
I mean, I could tell you that I believed it when I was like, you know, with my attitude, like, you know, don't attack Scientology.
You know, without Scientology, there would be no like Without any Scientology organization, things are not going to change on this planet.
We are the most ethical group you're ever going to find and actually the only group that's really making change for mankind.
And I really believed it.
I really believed we were doing those things.
Yeah, well, you were supposed to.
So, that's what we're going to cover.
So who are we going to be talking to tonight? Well, we're going to be talking to Tony Ortega.
He's a journalist who's been reporting on and exposing abuses in Scientology for decades.
Fred Oxaal, a 30-year Scientologist, who was one of the people that helped start the Way To Happiness Foundation.
- Welcome, gentlemen.
- Thank you.
Thank you so much for joining us today.
Back in the '60s, there were a couple of people who took what Hubbard had done and turned it into a drug rehabilitation program, which ultimately became Narconon.
And then a couple of people had taken Hubbard's study technology and were starting to use it in a secular setting.
And they generated some goodwill, and L.
Ron Hubbard reviewed this and said, "Look, these things are generating good public relations for Scientology".
Right.
"So let's formalize their organization," and the instruction was expand these things to keep generating goodwill - and good PR for Scientology.
- Right.
That is the history of the start of all of this, which has now reached the level where these propaganda arms are all over, - and there are many of them.
- Yeah, they're popping up, - and they're changing names.
- They're they're everywhere.
Scientology makes these astonishing claims about both the efficacy and the reach of its propaganda arms.
This is Guatemala.
With 2.
3 million copies, federal statistics reported a full 21% drop in homicides.
Through campaigns to disseminate the truth about drugs, we've reached more than half a billion people just this year alone, and all while 27 million people now safe from psych abuse through your support of the IAS.
And this is something that is a very important thing that is used to convince Scientologists that they need to give money, because if he just kept standing there and saying "This is what we're doing, give us your money," and there was nothing to show people, then they wouldn't keep giving the money.
But the real focus of this is Scientologists are being hoodwinked into giving money for things that aren't happening.
Narconon is another one of the organizations that Scientology uses to generate propaganda.
And, just to be clear, Narconon is a drug rehabilitation program.
There is an answer to the nightmare of addiction the Narconon Drug Rehabilitation Program.
Narconon will admit that it uses L.
Ron Hubbard's - Technology.
- Ideas.
They do their best not to say anything about Scientology.
The argument that gets made is, yes, but there are other religious drug rehab programs, and there are, there's many of them.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, and, if you go to those, they will tell you "Our program is based on the Bible".
The difference with Narconon is that Scientology tries to keep a distance from it, and Narconon tries to keep a distance from Scientology all the way until you get to an event, and then, oh, now everything about Narconon is a part of us.
So, to begin where it all begins, let's return to our international Narconon center at Arrowhead.
To date and by the numbers, Arrowhead's technical delivery unit has now trained 412 LRH drug rehab specialists from 19 nations and 47 U.
S.
states.
The International Association of Scientologists, we're the ones that are making Narconon.
We're the ones that put Narconon there.
We take credit for all of the accomplishments of Narconon, and every Scientologist that's sitting in the audience goes "Oh my God, look what we're doing to salvage people from the ravages of drugs".
The people that are most fooled about this - Are Scientologists.
- Are Scientologists.
Oh yeah.
Because this is what gets used to raise money.
Over half a million stand as living proof that Narconon salvages lives like never before.
I know how that figure gets arrived at.
- How? - Everybody who has ever done a purification program in a Church of Scientology or in Narconon is counted.
Oh, so it's not even just from Narconon.
It's from actual Churches of Scientology? - Absolutely right.
- Okay.
You see, it doesn't say 2.
5 million people have completed - the Narconon program.
- What does it say? It says there are a half million lives salvaged from the ravages of drugs - or words like that.
- Right.
'Cause a lot of this is also smoke and mirrors, the way that words are put together and sentences are constructed to create an impression which isn't what is actually being said.
Yeah, and what do they say on their own website about their success rate? They at minimum will tell you that they have about a 70% success rate.
I've seen advertisements for Narconon going up to 90% success rate.
People who are legitimate rehab experts will tell you the best programs have about a 25% success rate.
Exactly, and why no one has said anything about that, why no one has taken them to task.
I mean, it's right on their website.
Right.
In fact, we have documents showing their own attorneys saying "We have to stop saying that, it's not true".
It's outrageous.
Scientology advertises that it's going to give you individualized drug counseling.
And they're very careful never to tell you that you won't be talking about drugs at all.
You're just getting Scientology training.
And the victims of Narconon are not just Scientologists who are being raised money from.
It's the people who go into Narconon not knowing what they're getting into and people who have compromised immune systems, compromised livers who then go into this 25-day sauna program where they're being baked, you know, four or five hours a day.
Well, these parents, before sending their loved ones to Narconon should be checking it out before putting them into a risky situation.
- Agreed.
- Agreed.
It's risky, it's bad, and several people have died.
It's very simple, you know.
Look at the news.
Well, Narconon Arrowhead is a drug treatment center.
A former patient contacted us after he became concerned about deaths that occurred there.
Three people died while in their care.
Stacy Murphy isn't the first person to die at Narconon's Arrowhead facility here in Oklahoma.
In fact, she's the third person to die here in less than a year.
What the Way to Happiness is used for is a propaganda tool for Scientologists and to make it appear that Scientology, which supports the Way to Happiness, - is changing the world.
- Right.
Only to what's described as dramatic improvements in police performance since the Way To Happiness, Karachi crime and terrorist action just fell more than 30%.
The Way To Happiness is a non-religious moral code that L.
Ron Hubbard wrote separate from his actions as the founder of Scientology and "Dianetics".
He did write he thought maybe the Way To Happiness would be the thing he would become most well-known for.
And, as it turned out, the focus of my job became to print up all these millions of books that we were distributing around the world.
You might not even remember this, but when you were about 10 or 12 or 13 years old you were the receptionist at the Way To Happiness Foundation.
Was I? I don't even remember.
I used to pick you up at your house Did you? How nice.
And drive you to work in the afternoons.
I'd pick you up at around 12:30 in the afternoon.
- Really? - Yeah.
- How was I? - You were awesome.
You were just like you are now, as a matter of fact.
- Pain in the ass.
- Full of life - Scared everyone away.
- And we had some fun.
I want to introduce a little history about this because the timing is very important.
This booklet came out in 1980.
What was happening in 1980? The FBI had raided the Church of Scientology in 1977.
L.
Ron Hubbard's own wife, Mary Sue, was on trial in 1979.
There was incredible bad publicity about the Church of Scientology across the country.
L.
Ron Hubbard knew he had to put out a booklet to push against that and say "Here's what we believe".
And what does it have? It has these basic precepts of right and wrong in order to push back against this wave of bad publicity about what was going on in the Church at the time.
From what I have been told and what I have seen on their website that by people handing out "The Way To Happiness" booklets by L.
Ron Hubbard is reducing crime in amazing ways.
It is solving every problem that the world has ever confronted.
Look, there's nothing inherently wrong - with a moral code.
- Nothing.
Or distributing a moral code.
Where this becomes problematic is when it's distributed under the auspices of an organization that says it has nothing to do with Scientology and makes claims about the results of what the organization's doing in the distribution of this booklet.
And then that gets turned into propaganda for Scientology.
So now their victims are Scientologists like me who believe this when we see these events that, you know, "The Way To Happiness" booklet has reduced crime in Colombia.
And distributing copies of the booklet to 20% of the population, the impossible had been achieved.
Crime rates dropped by 50% across the boards, and that's why they call it The Colombian Miracle.
I spent many years flying around the world, and I would sort of like arrive in some country, and there's like a pile of like 150,000 "Way To Happiness" books.
They would be in cartons sitting on pallets shrink-wrapped in big warehouses.
And it's like "You've got to get those out by next week, or else".
I'd have to like create a Way To Happiness campaign in some country Italy, Switzerland, France, South Africa, India.
- I was all over the place.
- And what's the campaign? Well, it always degenerated in the end down to a street handout.
In the U.
S.
, we would say that there are five schools in your city that are participating in this Set A Good Example contest, and thousands and thousands of children have benefitted from it and therefore and whereas.
We would get all of these endorsements from governors, congressmen, and mayors.
It would just go on and on.
We would write the proclamations.
Could you please declare, you know, May 9th as L.
Ron Hubbard Day.
Like, Congress, for example, they had these different systems in place, and we basically figured out how to game it, how to create the document.
You know, when I walk through Celebrity Centre, you know, it's exactly that.
I see proclamations in pretty frames, and I'm like "The governor? What? "Senators? What? Congressmen? What?" And that always got me back in.
I really hope that people understand when they say okay to these proclamations, these commendations, they are keeping people in an organization that is saying things they are not doing.
It breaks my heart that those activities inspired you to stay involved and donate money, it really does.
But, well, honey, that's not you.
I was part of it too, right? But, Fred, I have a question.
Were those things true that you were saying? We had all these kids participating, we've done all these Well, I'd say the most that we really penetrated into the school system was called the Set a Good Example contest under the name of the Concerned Businessmen's Association of America, and we had 4,000+ schools in all 50 states, many hundreds of thousands of students that were being passed out "Way To Happiness" books and even the study technology books and doing various little campaigns and activities in the school to "set a good example".
We would send them a $5,000 prize, and we worked on it for so many years so hard.
And I thought that, yes, what we were doing was getting L.
Ron Hubbard more well-known and well thought of so that then when someone went into a bookstore and saw "Dianetics" that it would be almost like a subliminal link to his good works as a humanitarian, and then, well, wow, what's "Dianetics" then? Let me find out more about that.
There is another thing that goes on.
Like, okay, we have to get "Way To Happiness" booklets distributed to everybody in Venezuela because Venezuela is collapsing as a country.
So, we need you to donate money to give these booklets out to everybody to save Venezuela.
Yet, the "donation" is not the cost of printing the booklets and getting them there.
The donation is the full price with profit, etcetera, that is designated this is the price of a package of 12 "Way To Happiness" booklets.
Right, 'cause it's $1.
00 a book, $12 a dozen.
Right out of the chute, 15% would go right to L.
Ron Hubbard.
But let's say somebody was at Flag, and they purchased one, a Scientology service, like a training package.
Well, there was a royalty that got paid to L.
Ron Hubbard for using his technology.
- The films, the movies.
- Right.
So instead they get convinced to donate that money "on account" to "The Way To Happiness" campaign in Venezuela.
Well, then another 15% goes to L.
Ron Hubbard in book royalty.
So there's not only - you didn't know about it.
- I never thought about that.
- I never thought about that.
- Yeah.
If a Scientologist is paying a dollar each, what did it actually cost the Church of Scientology The Way To Happiness Foundation to print Well, eventually Bridge Publications, the publishing arm of the Church of Scientology, would arrange with a printer to print the books.
The last time I saw it, it was 15 cents.
So a booklet cost a dollar.
15% goes off the top to L.
Ron Hubbard.
It costs 15 cents to manufacture it.
So there's 70 cents left.
There would be a commission paid to the bookseller.
So that's another 10 cents.
Right, so we had to pay rent to Flag and the phone bills and the hotel and all of this sort of stuff.
So I'd have to we'd pay the commissions right back in just to be there.
Nobody nobody was getting rich on those ends.
So you were paying Scientology - to be housed in their own - Their facilities.
It's A forensic accountant would have to figure out exactly how it all went down.
Well, you don't need much of a forensic accountant to figure out that it was a lot of bullshit.
The first thing always with these donations, the money goes to L.
Ron Hubbard - Right.
That's right.
- Or to author services.
I think Tony has written that Hubbard was supposedly worth like $500 million when he died.
I don't even know if he even knew it.
And you can see how he accumulated it.
With every single transaction - flowing money to him - Right.
It's $600 million that was donated back to the Church of Scientology - when he died.
- Wow.
We are joined now by a long-time Scientologist, Quailynn, who was a dedicated Scientologist for 20 years.
Tonight, we're going to be talking specifically about your involvement with these propaganda arms of Scientology.
Yes, I have experience in all the propaganda arms.
Wow.
With WISE, with ABLE, with Scientology Missions International, Applied Scholastics, the Way To Happiness, CCHR, Youth for Human Rights, and the Volunteer Ministers.
And so did you help people? Absol wait, hold on.
I don't know if I helped people, but I helped the Church for sure.
Oh, okay.
Isn't that what you're supposed to be doing is helping people? I did ask myself that question at one point.
What I saw made me very uncomfortable, and I thought, "Well, I must not understand what's going on here".
The Church of Scientology says, "Okay, there's been a catastrophe".
- Right.
- Get your yellow shirt on.
- It says "Volunteer Minister".
- Okay.
And get down to Katrina.
Well, it was actually more dramatic than that because my husband and I were up in Seattle on a ferry, and we got a call.
I was a volunteer minister.
I had a mission.
My husband's a pilot, and we had a plane.
So we immediately flew home to Clearwater, picked up the plane, changed our shirts, and he dropped me off in New Orleans on Day Three.
- Okay.
- So you get just dumped into this chaos because there's curfew and martial law and checkpoints, but there's no water.
There's no blankets.
There's no food.
So what did you do? We took volunteer minister booklets, and we distributed them to the National Guard.
- That's what we did.
- What were the booklets? - "How To Improve A Marriage".
- By L.
Ron Hubbard? Yeah, the volunteer minister booklets.
"How To Improve A Marriage".
- Touch Assists.
- Study Technology.
Study Tech.
I talked to my husband.
I'm like "Are you sure we didn't put any water in the plane?" Any food? Any blankets? He's like, "No, we didn't take any of that.
"I just flew you and some other people with yellow shirts back and forth a few times".
What were you told that your mission was? To just hand out these booklets to the National Guard and take a picture? Give them assists and give them a booklet, and tell them about Scientology.
So the National Guard, did they find relief in these Scientology assists that you were giving them? - Were they - The reaction I got was a bit perplexed or confused.
Like uncertain.
Why are you doing this? Well, I mean they're dealing - with dead bodies.
- Yeah They're trying to help people survive.
And you're having them lay down on a table and tell them "Feel my finger".
Yeah, yeah.
But that's not what the volunteer ministers claim to do.
If they said, "Hey, we want you guys to fly out there, "and we just want you to make the people feel comforted by touching them".
That wouldn't have been a problem.
But if I'm just going to give them a booklet and tell them to go make their marriage better, - there's a disconnect there.
- Completely.
Well, yes, because we know that the purpose of it is just to introduce Scientology to the National Guard and to get a picture with them holding the volunteer ministers or giving a sound bite that said, you know, "The volunteer ministers, "the people in the yellow shirts, they gave me great relief".
Thank you, bye.
Wrap it up.
What's so clever and insidious about all of these things there's nothing wrong with going and helping doing disaster relief, because if you go back and look Scientologists will say that, you know, we have these massive number of volunteer ministers that helped and the Red Cross said how wonderful we were.
But the truth of the matter is that all of them are for the purpose of generating PR.
And make sure the cameras catch you doing it.
Well, everything needs to be a photo for evidence.
- They say that to you? - Absolutely.
We know this in Scientology you take pictures of everything you do.
Leah, there is a little booklet that Scientology distributed to everybody, "How To Shoot Your PR Activities".
And it says make sure that you document everything.
Make sure that you get everybody looking at the camera.
Make sure they're smiling.
Make sure you clean up anything in the background that you don't want to have there.
All the good PR that you are generating, make sure that you document it because good PR that isn't documented is useless.
When you watch these events, you see all these little pictures and little video clips of this and that because every person is out there documenting everything.
Scientology volunteer ministers brought their brand of indiscriminate succor to every major disaster in the last 10 years.
See, they didn't want to tell us that they were just rounding random kids up off the street, herding them in, giving them five bucks, and telling them to sit at a table and hold a book.
- Right.
- Because that would've created a problem for them, and the impression that gets created is that there were literally thousands of Scientologists that flocked to Katrina.
Yet when you talk to someone that was actually there they say, "Well, there was 25.
The most I ever saw was 40 people or 50 people".
Scientology will say with the volunteer ministers this is the largest private relief force on Earth.
With whole armies of yellow shirts materializing out of chaos to become the largest independent relief force this world has ever seen.
One guy and usually a couple of others in a staged, prop shot, and that is now presented.
There's a picture from here and a picture from here and a picture from here see, we're everywhere.
And things are changing.
It was a terror terrorism incident in London.
And people were killed.
And I published a document from a Scientologist - saying this's our opportunity.
- Right.
And that's how they see it.
These are opportunities to them.
But, like I said, I think the public is starting to understand that, you know, this is Scientology, and they are not necessarily very helpful when they're there.
The Citizens Commission on Human Rights, which has a very generic name, sounds great, human rights, but it has a very specific goal, and that is to destroy the psychiatric profession.
Psychiatry is the terrorist symbol that decimated 100 million human beings in the last century alone.
So, yes, the IAS rightly takes psychiatry seriously, and so we built an intrepid legion of Psych Busters who swear to inform and prosecute, to legislate and shut down and dismantle the whole infrastructure, thus ridding humanity of the ultimate evil.
And it's probably the most unhinged of all the propaganda arms.
I mean, it's the one that's sort of the most outrageous about what it does.
It actually has a museum on Sunset Boulevard.
Centered around 15 documentary films, the exhibition presents the unvarnished history of psychiatry, from its origins and practice of putting the mentally ill in cages to the present day mass drugging of society as the cure for invented mental disorders.
It tries to blame the entire Holocaust on psychiatry.
It's because it was the Nazi leadership.
They don't mention that.
In fact, a professor at Emory University has said that Scientology's blaming of the Holocaust on psychiatry is a soft core version of denialism.
Because it's not really blaming who was at fault - Sure, yeah.
Sure.
- Which was Nazi leadership.
So, there's something like 150,000 psychiatrists in the United States, and there's going to be a couple every year that are, you know, run into problems with the law.
And so Scientology will publicize that.
With 4,000 psychs now out of a license, out of job, arrested, fined, or colonizing prison cells, they can finally return to their primeval roots playing with their little furry friends in dungeons, and that's CCHR bringing psychiatry to Judgment Day on this 27th IAS anniversary.
We closed down these institutions that were abusing people, but when you investigate it they had nothing to do with it.
Right.
What really happens is that in that building on Sunset Boulevard, the Museum of Death, there is a boiler room in there, and they are responsible for monitoring and collecting all the information that appears anywhere about a psychiatrist being prosecuted - Disciplined.
- Or disciplined or whatever.
And they gather all that information up, and then it gets presented at the International Association of Scientology event, and it's this is what your support of the IAS makes possible.
Israel it's where institutional psychiatry slipped through the cracks of an otherwise socially conscious society.
By order of Israel's Ministry of Health, every Israeli private psych hospital is now terminated, and that's what it means to eradicate psychiatry right out of existence.
- Scientologists love that.
- Yes.
They jump up and yell and scream, and I used to do those speeches, Tony.
That was my speech, the CCHR.
We're eradicating, obliterating the psychs.
And then all of psychiatry is shoving down pills in our children's mouths.
I mean, you see all these celebrities of Scientology with the t-shirts.
"Stop drugging our children.
Psychiatry kills".
Listen, nobody's gonna say, "Yeah, I want you to over-drug my child".
This is one of the propaganda arms which has taken an issue that does have legitimacy.
There is a question about how much children - should be medicated.
- Of course.
And they know that many people will agree with their position on it.
But then when you drill down and look at what their position is on other things they really believe Scientology will replace psychiatry and psychology for mental healthcare in the United States.
It's interesting that one of Scientology's biggest donors, - Bob and Trish Duggan - Oh, this is funny.
There was a cancer drug that made Bob into a billionaire.
Uh-huh.
And the company that purchased his company makes psychiatric drugs.
And what we just found out recently was he took a million shares and put it into a foundation, and it's written into the foundation's bylaws that the income that gets generated from that, which is about $3 million a year, can only go to the Church of Scientology or one of its social betterment propaganda arms.
But what's so crazy is that I have friends who are forced to disconnect from parents or sisters who were on, you know, antidepressants or who had been in psychiatric care.
But yet Bob Duggan who's giving 10, $20 million a year to the IAS, he's being celebrated.
But the average Scientologist can't even go to therapy.
You can't even see a therapist in Scientology.
You can't go to yoga, spiritual yoga is forbidden.
Here are the richest Scientologist in the world, the biggest donor to Scientology made that money from drugs.
I talked to a lot of Scientologists.
So many of them will tell me that they've been out for five, ten years, and they finally have decided to get some therapy.
- Yes.
- And they can't believe how helpful it is, but it was so difficult for them.
Yeah, my husband and I 100% lived that.
It's a big step to take as a Scientologist to seek help.
And you're terrified to sit there.
You're like "I know you're the enemy".
Right.
Yes, but then you find out Not supposed to talk to you! But then you find out they're not.
- It takes a while.
- I know.
One of the propaganda arms that's really increased its activity in the last couple years is called the Youth for Human Rights.
It's got an interesting kind of background to it.
In 1948, Eleanor Roosevelt worked with the United Nations to put together a wonderful document called the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
To this day, it's a great document.
It lists all these different things - that all human beings - Of course.
Have a right to.
You should have a right not to be tortured, for example.
The Church of Scientology seized on this a few years ago, and they now have this campaign where they put out individual videos about each of the different rights, and they make a big deal about how it's youth for human rights.
They're reaching out to teenagers to tell them about their rights, because it's really important for American teenagers to realize that they can move to another town.
That's another one where there are a lot of officials and police chiefs and elected officials who get suckered into, oh, we've got like - We've got 15 children here.
- Of course.
And, look, we're promoting human rights.
Of course.
And of course they're gonna go "Well, I'm for human rights too".
Nobody's gonna say "I'm not".
- Right.
- I'll sign your pledge.
Yeah, so L.
Ron Hubbard wrote these policies like on the public image.
And in these directives of L.
Ron Hubbard he says we must appear as this, and we must appear as that.
We must align ourselves with other organizations that are really doing the work.
We must align ourselves with churches.
And that's how we will be successful, and that's how the public shall see us.
I was actually well-aligned all over the community.
- But purposely.
- Purposefully.
We even started attending Indian Rocks Church.
- Why? - My kids went to the school.
- Why? - Indian Rocks School.
We were deeply imbedding ourselves in the community.
We were the only Scientologists with kids at Indian Rocks that were non-Christian.
For for the purpose of what? To Safe Point yourself that we Yeah, we're Safe Pointed, we're normal, we're aligned, we're integrating, and we're accepting other faiths.
And I actively did disseminate and actively convert Christians into Scien and recruit them from that base.
Scientology always proceeds from the notion that they will be taking over the world.
And in order to take over the world they first need to send out these social coordination programs to soften up the field so people will then be ready to accept Scientology.
Well, whether or not they touch somebody's body or listen to them or maybe handed out a bottle of water here or there, what matters is that they are doing it for really a purpose.
And the purpose is to promote themselves, like Mike said, but also to keep parishioners in by the footage that they get, and, three, to milk the parishioners for more money.
Ultimately, it's to make a show at the event to convince Scientologists that something is being done.
And do you think that Scientology or that David Miscavige ever banked on the fact that eventually there would be an internet and those videos would get out? Because they'll have like a firefighter speaking about, hey, the volunteer ministers really helped me.
It will say "Firefighter, New York".
- Right.
- Like it won't say Like why doesn't it say the guy's name? I think you're exactly right.
It's because of the internet.
- They know it's gonna get out.
- Right.
And there's another part to this too.
Those events in theory those events are a celebration of the accomplishments of Scientology.
If that were true, then why are they not distributed - broadly to the public? - Right, to the news.
Why not give it to CNN? Why not give it to MSNBC and Fox and yeah? Why not make them available? No, this is in the mind of the Scientologist the proof of what Scientology is doing in the world.
- Right.
- So why not get that out there to everybody to see? - Right.
- Why not? - Can't stand up to scrutiny.
- That's exactly right.
The scrutiny of did they do anything.
That's exactly right.
It's very clever.
It's very calculated.
It's very produced, but it's smoke and mirrors, and underneath it is nothing other than this is a way of collecting more money.
That's correct.
At these IAS events, you have whales of Scientology getting these big crazy awards, handing over 15, $20 million.
When you think about how much money they raise just at a single event or a single year, how much help that money could be giving to people - who actually need it.
- I think it's not hard for Scientology to deliver what they promise as far as the propaganda groups if they just stepped up and actually did what they said they were doing.
Most of us stay in because we believe these things are going on in the world and we're making these big changes.
We're willing to consider divorcing our husbands and our wives, and we a lot of people disconnect from their children because of the propaganda that's being put out.
And I hope that somebody stops, looks, and says "I'm not putting my name on that" or says "I never said that".
You have a responsibility now that we continue to put this out.
You have a responsibility to do something.
We can't all do it.
So we hope that this affects some kind of change.
So thank you for doing what you've done.
- Thank you.
- You're welcome, thank you.