The Detectives (2018) s03e01 Episode Script
Mother and Son
(BOY): Mom? (REPORTER): Forensics experts are into their third day of combing the house, searching for clues to the identity of the person or persons responsible for the deaths of Mary Lou Barnes These are two people minding their own business that are dead! What the hell happened here? Who the hell are you? Maybe you didn't mean to hurt her.
Maybe you wait until little Larry goes to bed.
Mom? I've got two deceased persons.
And I'm challenging you.
Make no mistake about it, I'm going to challenge you! And I'm not done with you! Can you think of any reason he might want to harm them? Ray just kept staring at her.
- I'd do anything for her.
- How far would that go? As far as it takes.
Well, let's bring him in, see what he has to say now.
I had a job to do.
I'd stay focused.
I had to stick with the facts.
I went into pit bull mode, and I went after him.
I got high.
I got crazy.
A couple of people got what they deserved.
(REPORTER): By far, the worst thing anyone can ever remember happening in this tight community.
To the person or persons that have done this or anyone that knows anything, please, I just wish you'd come forward.
Please help us on this.
British Settlement is a bedroom community outside the city of Moncton, and there had never been a homicide committed in that area until 1995.
I don't ever forget this.
I'd just got in the office, and the phone rings.
"It's a homicide, Gerry.
You need to go right away".
So, picked up my stuff, and away I went.
When I learned that there was a young boy and a mother, I said: "Okay, this is gonna be a long day".
That's the first thing that went through my mind.
And I remember, I said: "You know what? This is gonna be a long day".
(MAN TALKING ON POLICE RADIO, INDISTINCT) Hey, Ian! (CAR DOOR CLOSING) We got a bad one today.
Yeah.
They're inside, both of them.
Mary Lou Barnes and her son, Larry Jr.
Kid's only 12.
What happened to you? Larry Sr.
, kid's father, he drove by, saw the cars, tried to get through to the trailer before anyone could tell him what happened.
Got a little agitated.
You okay? Yeah, I'm fine.
Larry, the ex-husband, wanted to get in and he wanted to see what was going on.
And we just wouldn't allow it.
And so, he became aggressive, got upset, punched the police officer, ended up being arrested, being taken away from the crime scene and was later released.
Who called this in? Debbie Ward, Mary Lou's sister.
When Mary Lou didn't show up to work this morning, Debbie came over.
That's when she found them.
You clear the scene? Ident's just getting set up.
All right, I'm gonna take a look.
You stay here.
No one gets past that tape unless they go through me.
Yes, sir! Larry Mills was physically aggressive.
He assaulted a police officer.
And he was dominant.
He wanted to control the entire scene and the entire area.
So, Larry was very, very interesting to me, right from the get-go.
Very interesting to me from the get-go.
I opened the door, and as I walk in, the first thing I see, there's lunch money on the counter the coffee pot is ready to go.
There was coffee in it.
The water was ready to go.
All you had to do was hit the switch.
And off to my left, there was a young child, a young boy, on the living-room floor.
And that was the deceased boy.
The child was lying on his stomach.
He was tied off with nylons.
The body was twisted a bit.
And it was obvious the child had been strangled.
(INHALING DEEPLY) (CLEARS THROAT) (INHALING DEEPLY) So, I walk into the boy's room.
There doesn't appear to be any scuffle.
Everything's nice and neat and tidy.
(SIGHING) Why did the boy come out of the room? What instigated him to come out of the room? (LARRY JR.
): Mom? Did he hear yelling? Did he hear noise? Did he hear his mom screaming? Was there a fight? Something brought that boy out of his bedroom.
(WOMAN SCREAMING IN DISTANCE) And as I walk from the bedroom and I come into the hallway and the kitchen, and I imagine what he's seen (WOMAN COUGHING, CHOKING IN DISTANCE) And as I get into Mary Lou's bedroom, I see there was definitely signs of a struggle or of a fight.
Mary Lou was lying face down on the bed.
There was some blunt-force trauma to her body.
And she had been strangled and tied off with nylons, and aggressively tied off.
And that knot was so tight, there had to have been skin DNA, skin cells, blood residue from the victim and/or the perpetrator.
Valuable, valuable information there that would be extremely important to investigators down the road.
For me, it looked like a crime of passion, where somebody was really, really upset with Mary Lou.
It's unfortunate, but Larry Jr.
was just a kid, just an 11-year-old boy.
And it's very, very possible that the perpetrator knew that he was a witness and had no choice but to kill him.
I had an 11-year-old boy at home already.
(WOMAN TALKING ON POLICE RADIO, INDISTINCT) And I had a newborn that was 5 months old.
So there's a bunch of mixed emotions going through your head.
There's a 39-year-old mother taking care of her 11-year-old son, minding their own business, working hard, making ends meet.
Like, what the hell happened here? You see the pantyhose in there? Yeah.
I want to make sure that stays out of the papers.
We gotta keep it quiet.
Sure.
Where did you say, uh, Debbie Ward was? Okay, thanks, man.
(GERRY): Debbie Ward is the half-sister of the victim.
She's the one that had received the phone call because Mary Lou had not shown up for work.
Mrs.
Ward I'm, uh, I'm so sorry for your loss.
She was a good person.
A great mom and And Larry Jr.
was just this amazing kid.
When was the last time you spoke to her? Um, last night (SNIFFLING) around, uh, around 9:00.
When you spoke to her did she mention if she had plans later or was seeing anyone, anything like that? Her her ex, Larry Sr.
, came by to drop off Larry Jr.
But that's it.
What was their relationship like, her and her ex? They were trying to be good parents to Larry Jr.
They, uh, they went through a lot, you know.
They lost two babies that didn't live long after they were born.
It was really hard on them.
Why did they split up? He was cheating on her with, uh, Cathy Cole.
They live together now.
She runs that house for, um, special care, you know, uh, people with mental illness.
Do you think that do you think Larry would ever ever hurt Mary Lou? (SIGHING) They had their problems.
(SNIFFLING) You know, they would argue a lot, and and Larry Sr.
could be loud.
He had a temper, but she wasn't scared of him.
As a matter of fact, Debbie said he never, never slapped or beat his wife or never hurt his son.
Thank you.
But that doesn't mean that human beings can't do those things.
And so, in my mind, I just deleted that.
That meant nothing to me, just because Debbie had an impression or perspective on it.
Nice to know, but not good enough for me.
Did you get anything from Mills? He seemed pretty torn up.
They called Larry Jr.
"Rare" because of the other kids.
They think he's a miracle.
Did he confirm that he dropped Larry Jr.
? Yeah, except he didn't see or talk to Mary Lou.
He just dropped him off and watched him go inside.
Apparently, him and Mary Lou have been arguing a lot lately.
Mills didn't want to stir the pot.
"Arguing a lot lately".
Yeah.
I said: "There's our number one right there we need to look at".
That's a no-brainer.
I said: "We need to look at him".
So we honed in on him first.
(DOORBELL RINGING) Who the hell are you? Gerry Belliveau, RCMP.
I heard you wanted to speak with one of us.
Yeah, what's going on with my kid's case? What are you doing about Larry Jr.
? Verbally aggressive and dominant.
If he spoke, we had to listen.
If we had something to say, shut up.
We're working hard.
I'll update you as soon as we have something we can share, but What the hell are you good for? He was freaking arrogant! He came across to me as the type of guy that would do what he wanted and when he wanted to suit his own needs, including getting pissed off with his ex-spouse and doing something stupid.
We had to have our team put together, a surveillance team put together, to kind of babysit him and watch him and see what was happening.
(REPORTER): 37-year-old Mary Lou Barnes and her son Larry have lived alone in this house since she split up with her common-law husband earlier this year.
Racked in grief and despair, Larry Mills talks of the life wrenched from him, his only son, Larry Jr.
To the person or persons that have done this (GERRY): Now, I remember, I was in the office with the rest of the investigative team, and we were watching the news clip.
Poor Larry had tears coming out of his eyes, you know, on TV in front of the camera.
And I say: "Look at him.
I've seen this before.
Guys, don't get sucked in.
Don't get conned in".
or anyone that knows anything, please, please help us on this.
It didn't take Larry off the hook.
Not at all.
I had a job to do.
I'd stay focused.
I had to stick with the facts.
They've taken my life away.
What am I gonna do? And then I sat back, said: "Okay, he's pissed off with his ex-wife to the point where he wants her eliminated.
But why the boy?" He was a miracle child, as it was.
Now he's gone.
He's been taken from me.
How do I get that back? When I got to the office, I immediately asked the investigators to gather as much information as we possibly could on Larry.
Everybody said: "Larry loved his son".
He truly loved his son.
And he loved his ex-wife.
But I didn't know that.
I reviewed the interview.
I reviewed my notes.
And I took a step back on Larry.
Cause of death: asphyxiation for both.
Sexual assault? It's hard to tell.
Mary Lou may have been assaulted, but there was no semen found on the body.
It's possible the killer was interrupted.
There were traces of semen on the bed sheets, though.
Let's check those.
What about the pantyhose? There was DNA left behind, just like you thought.
Probably his skin cells from when the killer pulled the pantyhose tight.
But there was a second source of DNA on the pantyhose: Mary Lou's skin cells.
We can't seem to separate her DNA from the killer's.
It's all mixed together.
What what What are you saying to me? If we can't isolate the killer's DNA from Mary Lou's, we have nothing to compare any sample to, nothing that will hold up in court.
You've got male DNA, female DNA, and it's mixed.
So, you have a liquid cup of coffee, and you know I put 3 teaspoons of tea in there.
So, I go to you and I say: "Okay, I want you to take the tea out of that coffee".
You can't, because it's mixed.
You don't have a technology to go in specifically and take out 3 teaspoons of tea that's mixed in with the coffee, because it's now one liquid.
The scientists of the day in 1995 could not separate the male DNA from Mary Lou's female DNA.
So, what else are we gonna do? What else am I gonna do now to move the file forward? What did we get from the neighbourhood canvas? Neighbours mentioned a man: Martin Lowrey.
No fixed address, seen sneaking around in backyards recently.
He was at Mary Lou's the day of the murder.
Do you know this guy? Yeah, he's been in trouble over the years.
And get his: he used to stay at the Home for Special Care.
- Cathy Cole's place? - Correct.
Cole and Mills lived there too.
Apparently, Lowrey had a thing for Cathy.
All right, what else do we have? Neighbours also mentioned a man named Cameron Dahl seen around Mary Lou's most weekends.
They think he was her boyfriend.
- There was a boyfriend? - Correct.
He used to talk about her, brag about how she was in bed.
Well, let's bring him in, see what he has to say now.
I find out from a witness that, that morning, Cameron had driven by, saw the activity at the crime scene and took off.
Didn't stop.
Didn't ask questions.
Didn't do a: "What's going on?" Just took off.
(SIGHING) I'd like to ask you a few questions about your relationship with Mary Mary Lou Barnes.
When was the last time that you saw her? Last weekend? I stopped by.
Did you speak to her on November 5? A phone call, anything like that? No.
No, I was supposed to go over, but I changed my mind.
You changed your mind? What did you do instead? I just stayed home.
You decided to skip a date with her to stay home alone? It made no sense to me.
"This stinks.
There's something wrong here".
Cameron was supposed to be, in fact, at the house on that Sunday night and opted not to be there Sunday night.
But drives by Monday morning and doesn't stop.
That was his girlfriend.
And nobody, nobody reacts that way.
No normal person should be reacting that way.
Your normal instincts are to stop to find out: "What's going on? Where's my girlfriend? What happened here?" And he just didn't want to know, couldn't care less? "I'm just gonna move on and do my little thing"? Didn't work.
It didn't cut it.
Maybe you didn't mean to hurt her.
Maybe you go over there, you're looking for a good time.
That's not what happened.
Maybe she's she's not in the mood.
It wasn't like that.
Maybe you wait until little Larry goes to bed.
- Please.
- And you can do whatever you want.
Please, man! He's hiding something! I've got two deceased persons.
You're the boyfriend.
You ran away from that place that morning.
You didn't want to stop.
I've got you here, and I'm challenging you.
Make no mistake about it, I'm going to challenge you.
And I'm not done with you! Okay, I I didn't hurt her, man.
I I would never hurt anybody.
Please, just let let me prove it to you, okay? I I could take a lie detector.
You could take my DNA! Do the test! Take whatever you want! And so, Cameron came in for a lie-detector test.
Polygraph just came back.
It came back a pass.
- Dahl was telling the truth.
- Great.
(SIGHING) A polygraph test, it's a tool.
It's a good baseline if we're going in the right direction or not.
I do have some better news.
(SIGHING) Got a fixed location on Martin Lowrey, the guy that was snooping around in backyards.
He's living rough just outside of Moncton.
Thanks.
Drive safe! Not only was Martin Lowrey seen hanging around Mary Lou's the day of the murders, he was infatuated with Cathy Cole.
Well, Cathy Cole's new boyfriend is Larry, is Larry Mills.
So, did Martin have something to do with this? (INHALING DEEPLY) Mr.
Lowrey? Sergeant Belliveau, RCMP.
I'd like to ask you a few questions, if you don't mind.
Okay.
Let's take a walk.
It's regarding Mary Lou Barnes.
Who? Mary Lou Barnes.
You were spotted in her backyard November 5, and a few other backyards in the neighbourhood too.
I like to wander around a bit, see what people are up to.
Not hurting anybody.
Well, Mary Lou and her son, they were hurt.
I don't know nothing about that.
But you were in the area? Sure, I used to stay over there.
Oh, at the Home for Special Care, Cathy Cole's place? Yeah.
Cathy, she was nice to me.
She deserved better than that guy she's with.
- Larry Mills Sr.
? - Yeah.
I don't like him.
Nobody likes him.
Well, it was his family that was killed.
You should ask him about that.
Bet you he did it.
He gets mad.
He hated Larry.
He hated Larry and he was scared of Larry.
"He's the ex-husband.
It's probably him.
He's the ex-husband.
Well, why are you asking me?" So, he was deflecting and trying to blame Larry.
He thought I had a thing for Cathy.
Did you? She's my friend.
I'd do anything for her.
How far would that go? Far as it takes.
So, did Martin have something to do with this? Was he upset because Cathy's got a new boyfriend, and he wants to get back at the new boyfriend, being Larry? I thank him.
I give him a pack of smokes, and he goes on his merry way.
I said: "We need to look at him".
(SIRENS WAILING) That same night, Martin jumps in front of a truck and commits suicide.
(MEN AND WOMEN TALKING, INDISTINCT) I had just interviewed him about 6 hours ago.
It was almost like a guilt trip, where: "Okay, I gotta kill myself because they're gonna get me.
They talked to me today, and they're gonna get me".
What does that mean? Why today? Why now? What is he involved in in this file? What role did he play? Did he play a role? We need to clean this up and find out what's going on here.
Martin jumps in front of a truck and commits suicide.
Now, did this happen because he knows something? Is he involved? Or is he not involved at all, and he just has issues? Hey, Gerry! What's up? I've got a woman waiting for you.
Name's Vicki White.
She wants to talk about her husband Ray.
This lady comes to the office.
Her name's Vicki.
"My husband took off, and he's got a loaded gun.
He's in a" "Whoa, slow down, Vicki.
Start this over again.
Who's your husband, first of all?" "My husband's name is Ray, Ray White".
He was going to pick our daughter up at school, but he never showed up.
He took my car, my credit card and, uh (SIGHING) and a gun.
His .
22.
Do you know of any reason why he might leave or I, uh I'm scared he might have done something terrible.
I saw on the news, uh Mary Lou? And her poor child.
I Do you know them? I knew Mary Lou.
We worked together.
Does Ray know her? I think he drove us both to work a few times.
I remember one night, we were both at the bar.
Uh Mary Lou was there too.
Ray just kept staring at her.
Can you think of any reason why he might want to harm them? Where was he Sunday night? Out with friends at the bar.
That's what he said.
This came out of the blue, absolutely out of the blue.
No idea what was going on here.
Ray was not on our radar.
No idea who Ray White was.
And this Vicki walked and gives us a story.
Well, I thought that was gold.
That's when we started doing background on Ray White.
What do we know about Ray White? Raymond White: Originally from BC.
Came here a few years ago, and the trouble started right up: drugs, violence, armed robbery Put in about 20 years in prison, on and off.
(GERRY): Ray White was a serious and a hardcore criminal.
We were able to track him down fairly quick.
- Shit! - Don't bother.
Ray White, you are under arrest.
So, Ray was arrested there for possession of firearms.
You can call an attorney when we get to the station Forget all that.
Let's just get this over with, all right? (SIGHING) The first thing he says is: "Never mind this BS.
I'll tell you everything".
Come on.
Of course, we're all excited now.
The gig's up.
At least, we feel the gig's up.
So, Ray ends up at this pizzeria, and we locate him.
As he walks out of the restaurant, we take him down right there.
He was arrested there for possession of firearms.
(WOMAN TALKING ON POLICE RADIO, INDISTINCT) (SIGHING) So, we get back, and Ray insists that he wants to speak to a female RCMP officer.
(DOOR CLOSING) Ray Hey.
(CLEARS THROAT) What do you know about the murders of Mary Lou Barnes and Larry Mills Jr.
? (SIGHING) It was a hit, uh, a contract.
On a mother and a child? How do you know this? (SIGHING) I met the guy who did it.
He didn't tell me much.
(SIGHING) But I got the sense that he was there for the woman.
He didn't know the kid was gonna be there.
So when he walked into the bedroom and saw what was happening (SIGHING) he had to go.
He strangled him too.
Who is this guy? I ain't saying.
Because I don't want the same thing to happen to my wife and kid.
He just he just told you all of this? I was selling him some coke, and he was trying to pay with this gold chain.
Said he took it from the victim, like a bonus payment for killing two people instead of just one.
What about the chain? It was big.
Close links.
Uh About this long.
Looked expensive.
Real expensive.
(GERRY): When we went to Mary Lou's mobile home, we had seized all the jewellery that was there.
If we were able to confirm that, in fact, there was a gold chain missing, we knew that we were onto something with Ray White.
We went back to Larry Mills.
I approached Larry, and I said: "You know, Larry, we didn't start off on a good foot".
Larry said: "No, Gerry, we didn't.
"It didn't go well at all.
"As a matter of fact, I hated you, and you hated me".
I said: "Larry, maybe you hated me more than I hated you".
So now, we're not friends in any way, shape or form.
But he's starting to warm up a bit to me.
"Oh, Gerry, what's up? What's going on? What are you doing here?" I'll tell you what I'm doing here, Larry.
I just want to identify this jewellery.
We got a bunch of jewellery here".
That's everything from Mary Lou's bedroom.
Just just see if you notice anything missing.
Hmm.
I got this before we got married.
(CHUCKLING) She loved that ring.
Where is it? Is something missing? Yeah.
Where is it? He's identifying jewellery and identifying this necklace and this bracelet.
And he says: "Wait a sec!" He taps the table.
He says: "Where's the goddamn chain?" - Did you guys take something? - Larry Did somebody steal it? Somebody must have stolen it, right? She would never take it off.
Just tell me what you're looking for.
A big gold chain.
The necklace that I got for Mary Lou in New York.
And it cost me a bundle too.
It's not here.
"I'm telling you, there's an effin' chain missing, and Mary Lou never took that chain off.
And so, where's the fricking chain?" He described it the same way that Ray described it.
But it's not there.
So, we had a meeting back up at the office.
And I said: "Guys, we are onto something".
The next night, Ray's picture is flashed on TV as he's walking into court for gun charges.
We get a phone call.
"That's not Raymond White.
That's Ray Parker.
He tried to sexually assault me a couple of days ago".
Turns out an individual by the name of Ray Parker played the scenario of the guy wanting to buy a house and attempted to sexually assault this real-estate lady.
And so, he was arrested, and he's got 3 years of a sentence for the sexual assault and the possession of the illegal firearms that had absolutely nothing to do with the double homicide that we were investigating.
We had to gather the evidence that we required to lay a charge of double homicide before his 3 years were up.
Tell me who did it.
Tell the truth.
(CHUCKLING) Look, man I don't blame you for trying.
But I ain't doing it.
Now, good luck on catching the guy.
And good luck on making him talk.
'Cause he's gonna take everything he did and lock it up, put it in a compartment right here and never let it out.
Ray's now number one on our list.
He's our guy.
But we needed more evidence.
I would go to Larry's probably 2, 3 times a month.
He'd sit outside, have a cigarette.
I'd sit outside and talk with him.
Sometimes, he wouldn't say much.
Sometimes, he'd give me hell.
I'd take it.
I'd listen to him.
He was frustrated by the loss.
But I kept reminding Larry that: "We're gonna have one shot at this.
And so, we need to make sure that we have our ducks in a row so that your son and your ex-wife are treated fairly at the end of the day.
And we're not there yet, Larry".
I don't understand.
You know he did it.
We don't have any proof.
No forensic evidence, no DNA, no confession.
The truth is not enough.
Goddammit! (SIGHING) I saw him, you know.
Who? Larry Jr.
Well, I didn't see him.
I I felt him.
(SIGHING) Larry was really, really down in the dumps.
And he went in the woods, brought his rifle with him, a shotgun with him, and he did some soul searching.
And he sat down.
He said: "That's it".
"I'm fed up of life.
Larry's never coming back.
My life is miserable.
I think of him every day.
I can't look at his picture".
The shotgun was loaded.
He had it down by his feet.
And he was ready to do his thing.
And he said that's when he got the vision.
That's when Junior talked to him.
And Junior said, Rare said: "Dad, don't do this.
Don't do this".
And he didn't move forward.
"Because I'm dead doesn't give you the right to bring yourself to me.
You need to live your life".
And he put the gun down.
(INHALING DEEPLY, EXHALING) Since then, I've been trying to work on my anger, you know, to stay positive, stay focused, but it's hard.
It's real hard.
I know you're angry and I know it hurts, but he is going away for 3 years.
Three years.
That gives us time to keep digging, find more evidence.
A witness, something.
And we will find it.
He is going away for this.
You have my word.
And I said: "Larry, I'm on your side.
You need to be patient.
You need to trust me.
And you need to allow us to do our job.
And sometimes, it takes more time than what we want.
It's just the nature of the beast".
- Well, 3 years comes up.
- We did not have any evidence to hold Ray or charge him for a double homicide.
Ray White walked out of prison a free man.
Ah! (RAY ON RECORDING): It's so good to be out of jail.
We didn't give up, though! The day that Ray walked out of jail, we had eyes and ears on him.
White went back to BC, but we were there waiting for him.
I was once described by one of my supervisors: "Gerry is like a pit bull.
When he bites, he doesn't let go".
So, when I was told that Ray White was in British Columbia, well, I went into pit bull mode and I went after him.
We set up an undercover operation and we had an undercover operator working as a drug dealer, and Ray bought into that.
I think it's all there.
You're trying to tell me you counted through half a million dollars? Well, ballpark.
Shit! It's easy to make money out here.
It's like the Wild West.
- I should have never left.
- Whoa, whoa! What the hell are you doing? No, you're still on the clock.
You're paranoid, you know that? Take a hit.
Maybe relax a little.
Seriously.
I used to do a bit of coke back in the day.
Now, I was lucky I had the boss I did.
Took care of me before I let things get out of hand.
That shit makes you go crazy.
Mmm.
Yeah, tell me about it.
Coke made me do some shit back East I'm not proud of.
What kind of shit? I got high.
I got crazy.
A couple of people got what they deserved.
Jesus, Ray! Listen, don't worry about it, man.
It was years ago.
They never got me, and they never will.
I made sure of that.
No witnesses.
They don't even know where I am.
What happened? You already know everything you need to know.
The rest of it stays with me.
I got it locked in a compartment right here.
Good luck on catching the guy.
He's gonna take everything he did and lock it up, put it in a compartment right here.
We got him! He said himself: "Those two people got what they deserve, and the reason I did it is because I had my coke problem.
And as far as I'm concerned, it's in a compartment, and it ain't ever coming out".
So, when we get back to New Brunswick, we're high-fiving each other.
We're now on a high.
We thought: "We finally got the evidence that we need to get this before the courts".
So we sit down with the crown prosecutor.
The crown tells me, specifically: "Gerry, you gotta understand.
We're at a balance of probability of 49% on this double homicide.
If you can get me to 51%, I'll approve the charge".
And I looked at that crown prosecutor, sure as I'm looking at you today, and I'm saying: "What kind of language is that? Explain to me" I said: "Never mind.
"Explain to Larry, explain to the son's father, what you mean when you talk about a balance of probabilities at 51% versus 49%, and we're at 49%.
Explain that one to me".
He strangled my son.
He killed my son.
You know he did it.
He knows he did it.
They know he did it.
They do.
But we only get one shot at this.
And if we try to prosecute, he gets away with it.
He already did.
Talk about frustration! Talk about being upset! Talk about a dark day.
I didn't have a good day when I went home.
It was not a good day.
Yes, I was disappointed.
Yes, I was frustrated.
I had to suck it up.
To lay a charge of double homicide, we had to get the DNA on the pantyhose to match Ray White's DNA.
Unless technology allows to separate those two DNA samples, not much more I can do.
2009, I had a member come onto unit, Greg Lockson.
This member was a sharp cookie.
Greg took the file, checked all those things out again and resubmitted the exhibit.
Except now, we're dealing, in 2009, with a new technology.
And this technology was able to separate the male DNA completely away from the female DNA that we knew was Mary Lou Barnes and put that aside.
"And let's work on this component".
(PHONE RINGING) Yep? When I got the call from the lab He said: "Gerry, are you sitting down? We got him.
You got him".
And I said: "Ray?" He said: "Yeah, you got him.
We got him.
I just got the test back.
We're taking him down".
It was like "Wow! There is a God! There is a God!" Gerry, what are you doing? We got him.
And Larry was stunned.
He said: "Oh, I don't get it, Gerry.
What changed?" I said: "Technology changed, Larry".
And I said: "We got the bastard".
I said: "We got him.
We're going to court".
We got the son of a bitch.
We got him! We got him! (CRYING) Thank you.
(CHUCKLING) Yes! (REPORTER): A moment of pure joy after years of sadness.
Larry Mills Sr.
, his family and friends were in court for the sentencing of 65-year-old Raymond Joseph White.
The judge sentenced White to life in prison with no chance of parole for 15 years.
You never get over it.
You know? I have to live with this for the rest of my life.
I've beat myself up time and time and time again.
Mills Sr.
credits the RCMP for solving the murders.
Staff Sergeant Gerry Belliveau worked on the case for 13 years.
Regardless if the "why" can never be answered, justice was served.
The right person will pay for the crimes that that person committed.
Mills Sr.
says a weight has been lifted off his shoulders.
I'm just glad it's over.
Finally, we can let Larry and Mary rest in peace.
The two victims were killed in a house that used to sit on this spot.
After their deaths, the boy's father planted two cedar trees in their memory.
And it's here where Larry Mills Sr.
came today to gather himself and to lay flowers: red roses for his former wife, white roses for his son.
(GERRY): And I had my own 10-minute chat with Mary Lou and Junior.
I said I said: "Mary Lou you don't know me".
(GERRY SNIFFLING) I said: "My name's Gerry Belliveau.
And I said: "I was there that day you passed away".
And I said: "I worked for you.
And I worked for your ex.
And I worked for Junior.
And I want you to know that we worked hard on your behalf, and you can rest in peace".
And I said: "Larry Jr.
, my name is Gerry Belliveau.
And you can rest in peace.
And your father is doing okay.
He's gonna be all right.
That's all I have to say".
Maybe you wait until little Larry goes to bed.
Mom? I've got two deceased persons.
And I'm challenging you.
Make no mistake about it, I'm going to challenge you! And I'm not done with you! Can you think of any reason he might want to harm them? Ray just kept staring at her.
- I'd do anything for her.
- How far would that go? As far as it takes.
Well, let's bring him in, see what he has to say now.
I had a job to do.
I'd stay focused.
I had to stick with the facts.
I went into pit bull mode, and I went after him.
I got high.
I got crazy.
A couple of people got what they deserved.
(REPORTER): By far, the worst thing anyone can ever remember happening in this tight community.
To the person or persons that have done this or anyone that knows anything, please, I just wish you'd come forward.
Please help us on this.
British Settlement is a bedroom community outside the city of Moncton, and there had never been a homicide committed in that area until 1995.
I don't ever forget this.
I'd just got in the office, and the phone rings.
"It's a homicide, Gerry.
You need to go right away".
So, picked up my stuff, and away I went.
When I learned that there was a young boy and a mother, I said: "Okay, this is gonna be a long day".
That's the first thing that went through my mind.
And I remember, I said: "You know what? This is gonna be a long day".
(MAN TALKING ON POLICE RADIO, INDISTINCT) Hey, Ian! (CAR DOOR CLOSING) We got a bad one today.
Yeah.
They're inside, both of them.
Mary Lou Barnes and her son, Larry Jr.
Kid's only 12.
What happened to you? Larry Sr.
, kid's father, he drove by, saw the cars, tried to get through to the trailer before anyone could tell him what happened.
Got a little agitated.
You okay? Yeah, I'm fine.
Larry, the ex-husband, wanted to get in and he wanted to see what was going on.
And we just wouldn't allow it.
And so, he became aggressive, got upset, punched the police officer, ended up being arrested, being taken away from the crime scene and was later released.
Who called this in? Debbie Ward, Mary Lou's sister.
When Mary Lou didn't show up to work this morning, Debbie came over.
That's when she found them.
You clear the scene? Ident's just getting set up.
All right, I'm gonna take a look.
You stay here.
No one gets past that tape unless they go through me.
Yes, sir! Larry Mills was physically aggressive.
He assaulted a police officer.
And he was dominant.
He wanted to control the entire scene and the entire area.
So, Larry was very, very interesting to me, right from the get-go.
Very interesting to me from the get-go.
I opened the door, and as I walk in, the first thing I see, there's lunch money on the counter the coffee pot is ready to go.
There was coffee in it.
The water was ready to go.
All you had to do was hit the switch.
And off to my left, there was a young child, a young boy, on the living-room floor.
And that was the deceased boy.
The child was lying on his stomach.
He was tied off with nylons.
The body was twisted a bit.
And it was obvious the child had been strangled.
(INHALING DEEPLY) (CLEARS THROAT) (INHALING DEEPLY) So, I walk into the boy's room.
There doesn't appear to be any scuffle.
Everything's nice and neat and tidy.
(SIGHING) Why did the boy come out of the room? What instigated him to come out of the room? (LARRY JR.
): Mom? Did he hear yelling? Did he hear noise? Did he hear his mom screaming? Was there a fight? Something brought that boy out of his bedroom.
(WOMAN SCREAMING IN DISTANCE) And as I walk from the bedroom and I come into the hallway and the kitchen, and I imagine what he's seen (WOMAN COUGHING, CHOKING IN DISTANCE) And as I get into Mary Lou's bedroom, I see there was definitely signs of a struggle or of a fight.
Mary Lou was lying face down on the bed.
There was some blunt-force trauma to her body.
And she had been strangled and tied off with nylons, and aggressively tied off.
And that knot was so tight, there had to have been skin DNA, skin cells, blood residue from the victim and/or the perpetrator.
Valuable, valuable information there that would be extremely important to investigators down the road.
For me, it looked like a crime of passion, where somebody was really, really upset with Mary Lou.
It's unfortunate, but Larry Jr.
was just a kid, just an 11-year-old boy.
And it's very, very possible that the perpetrator knew that he was a witness and had no choice but to kill him.
I had an 11-year-old boy at home already.
(WOMAN TALKING ON POLICE RADIO, INDISTINCT) And I had a newborn that was 5 months old.
So there's a bunch of mixed emotions going through your head.
There's a 39-year-old mother taking care of her 11-year-old son, minding their own business, working hard, making ends meet.
Like, what the hell happened here? You see the pantyhose in there? Yeah.
I want to make sure that stays out of the papers.
We gotta keep it quiet.
Sure.
Where did you say, uh, Debbie Ward was? Okay, thanks, man.
(GERRY): Debbie Ward is the half-sister of the victim.
She's the one that had received the phone call because Mary Lou had not shown up for work.
Mrs.
Ward I'm, uh, I'm so sorry for your loss.
She was a good person.
A great mom and And Larry Jr.
was just this amazing kid.
When was the last time you spoke to her? Um, last night (SNIFFLING) around, uh, around 9:00.
When you spoke to her did she mention if she had plans later or was seeing anyone, anything like that? Her her ex, Larry Sr.
, came by to drop off Larry Jr.
But that's it.
What was their relationship like, her and her ex? They were trying to be good parents to Larry Jr.
They, uh, they went through a lot, you know.
They lost two babies that didn't live long after they were born.
It was really hard on them.
Why did they split up? He was cheating on her with, uh, Cathy Cole.
They live together now.
She runs that house for, um, special care, you know, uh, people with mental illness.
Do you think that do you think Larry would ever ever hurt Mary Lou? (SIGHING) They had their problems.
(SNIFFLING) You know, they would argue a lot, and and Larry Sr.
could be loud.
He had a temper, but she wasn't scared of him.
As a matter of fact, Debbie said he never, never slapped or beat his wife or never hurt his son.
Thank you.
But that doesn't mean that human beings can't do those things.
And so, in my mind, I just deleted that.
That meant nothing to me, just because Debbie had an impression or perspective on it.
Nice to know, but not good enough for me.
Did you get anything from Mills? He seemed pretty torn up.
They called Larry Jr.
"Rare" because of the other kids.
They think he's a miracle.
Did he confirm that he dropped Larry Jr.
? Yeah, except he didn't see or talk to Mary Lou.
He just dropped him off and watched him go inside.
Apparently, him and Mary Lou have been arguing a lot lately.
Mills didn't want to stir the pot.
"Arguing a lot lately".
Yeah.
I said: "There's our number one right there we need to look at".
That's a no-brainer.
I said: "We need to look at him".
So we honed in on him first.
(DOORBELL RINGING) Who the hell are you? Gerry Belliveau, RCMP.
I heard you wanted to speak with one of us.
Yeah, what's going on with my kid's case? What are you doing about Larry Jr.
? Verbally aggressive and dominant.
If he spoke, we had to listen.
If we had something to say, shut up.
We're working hard.
I'll update you as soon as we have something we can share, but What the hell are you good for? He was freaking arrogant! He came across to me as the type of guy that would do what he wanted and when he wanted to suit his own needs, including getting pissed off with his ex-spouse and doing something stupid.
We had to have our team put together, a surveillance team put together, to kind of babysit him and watch him and see what was happening.
(REPORTER): 37-year-old Mary Lou Barnes and her son Larry have lived alone in this house since she split up with her common-law husband earlier this year.
Racked in grief and despair, Larry Mills talks of the life wrenched from him, his only son, Larry Jr.
To the person or persons that have done this (GERRY): Now, I remember, I was in the office with the rest of the investigative team, and we were watching the news clip.
Poor Larry had tears coming out of his eyes, you know, on TV in front of the camera.
And I say: "Look at him.
I've seen this before.
Guys, don't get sucked in.
Don't get conned in".
or anyone that knows anything, please, please help us on this.
It didn't take Larry off the hook.
Not at all.
I had a job to do.
I'd stay focused.
I had to stick with the facts.
They've taken my life away.
What am I gonna do? And then I sat back, said: "Okay, he's pissed off with his ex-wife to the point where he wants her eliminated.
But why the boy?" He was a miracle child, as it was.
Now he's gone.
He's been taken from me.
How do I get that back? When I got to the office, I immediately asked the investigators to gather as much information as we possibly could on Larry.
Everybody said: "Larry loved his son".
He truly loved his son.
And he loved his ex-wife.
But I didn't know that.
I reviewed the interview.
I reviewed my notes.
And I took a step back on Larry.
Cause of death: asphyxiation for both.
Sexual assault? It's hard to tell.
Mary Lou may have been assaulted, but there was no semen found on the body.
It's possible the killer was interrupted.
There were traces of semen on the bed sheets, though.
Let's check those.
What about the pantyhose? There was DNA left behind, just like you thought.
Probably his skin cells from when the killer pulled the pantyhose tight.
But there was a second source of DNA on the pantyhose: Mary Lou's skin cells.
We can't seem to separate her DNA from the killer's.
It's all mixed together.
What what What are you saying to me? If we can't isolate the killer's DNA from Mary Lou's, we have nothing to compare any sample to, nothing that will hold up in court.
You've got male DNA, female DNA, and it's mixed.
So, you have a liquid cup of coffee, and you know I put 3 teaspoons of tea in there.
So, I go to you and I say: "Okay, I want you to take the tea out of that coffee".
You can't, because it's mixed.
You don't have a technology to go in specifically and take out 3 teaspoons of tea that's mixed in with the coffee, because it's now one liquid.
The scientists of the day in 1995 could not separate the male DNA from Mary Lou's female DNA.
So, what else are we gonna do? What else am I gonna do now to move the file forward? What did we get from the neighbourhood canvas? Neighbours mentioned a man: Martin Lowrey.
No fixed address, seen sneaking around in backyards recently.
He was at Mary Lou's the day of the murder.
Do you know this guy? Yeah, he's been in trouble over the years.
And get his: he used to stay at the Home for Special Care.
- Cathy Cole's place? - Correct.
Cole and Mills lived there too.
Apparently, Lowrey had a thing for Cathy.
All right, what else do we have? Neighbours also mentioned a man named Cameron Dahl seen around Mary Lou's most weekends.
They think he was her boyfriend.
- There was a boyfriend? - Correct.
He used to talk about her, brag about how she was in bed.
Well, let's bring him in, see what he has to say now.
I find out from a witness that, that morning, Cameron had driven by, saw the activity at the crime scene and took off.
Didn't stop.
Didn't ask questions.
Didn't do a: "What's going on?" Just took off.
(SIGHING) I'd like to ask you a few questions about your relationship with Mary Mary Lou Barnes.
When was the last time that you saw her? Last weekend? I stopped by.
Did you speak to her on November 5? A phone call, anything like that? No.
No, I was supposed to go over, but I changed my mind.
You changed your mind? What did you do instead? I just stayed home.
You decided to skip a date with her to stay home alone? It made no sense to me.
"This stinks.
There's something wrong here".
Cameron was supposed to be, in fact, at the house on that Sunday night and opted not to be there Sunday night.
But drives by Monday morning and doesn't stop.
That was his girlfriend.
And nobody, nobody reacts that way.
No normal person should be reacting that way.
Your normal instincts are to stop to find out: "What's going on? Where's my girlfriend? What happened here?" And he just didn't want to know, couldn't care less? "I'm just gonna move on and do my little thing"? Didn't work.
It didn't cut it.
Maybe you didn't mean to hurt her.
Maybe you go over there, you're looking for a good time.
That's not what happened.
Maybe she's she's not in the mood.
It wasn't like that.
Maybe you wait until little Larry goes to bed.
- Please.
- And you can do whatever you want.
Please, man! He's hiding something! I've got two deceased persons.
You're the boyfriend.
You ran away from that place that morning.
You didn't want to stop.
I've got you here, and I'm challenging you.
Make no mistake about it, I'm going to challenge you.
And I'm not done with you! Okay, I I didn't hurt her, man.
I I would never hurt anybody.
Please, just let let me prove it to you, okay? I I could take a lie detector.
You could take my DNA! Do the test! Take whatever you want! And so, Cameron came in for a lie-detector test.
Polygraph just came back.
It came back a pass.
- Dahl was telling the truth.
- Great.
(SIGHING) A polygraph test, it's a tool.
It's a good baseline if we're going in the right direction or not.
I do have some better news.
(SIGHING) Got a fixed location on Martin Lowrey, the guy that was snooping around in backyards.
He's living rough just outside of Moncton.
Thanks.
Drive safe! Not only was Martin Lowrey seen hanging around Mary Lou's the day of the murders, he was infatuated with Cathy Cole.
Well, Cathy Cole's new boyfriend is Larry, is Larry Mills.
So, did Martin have something to do with this? (INHALING DEEPLY) Mr.
Lowrey? Sergeant Belliveau, RCMP.
I'd like to ask you a few questions, if you don't mind.
Okay.
Let's take a walk.
It's regarding Mary Lou Barnes.
Who? Mary Lou Barnes.
You were spotted in her backyard November 5, and a few other backyards in the neighbourhood too.
I like to wander around a bit, see what people are up to.
Not hurting anybody.
Well, Mary Lou and her son, they were hurt.
I don't know nothing about that.
But you were in the area? Sure, I used to stay over there.
Oh, at the Home for Special Care, Cathy Cole's place? Yeah.
Cathy, she was nice to me.
She deserved better than that guy she's with.
- Larry Mills Sr.
? - Yeah.
I don't like him.
Nobody likes him.
Well, it was his family that was killed.
You should ask him about that.
Bet you he did it.
He gets mad.
He hated Larry.
He hated Larry and he was scared of Larry.
"He's the ex-husband.
It's probably him.
He's the ex-husband.
Well, why are you asking me?" So, he was deflecting and trying to blame Larry.
He thought I had a thing for Cathy.
Did you? She's my friend.
I'd do anything for her.
How far would that go? Far as it takes.
So, did Martin have something to do with this? Was he upset because Cathy's got a new boyfriend, and he wants to get back at the new boyfriend, being Larry? I thank him.
I give him a pack of smokes, and he goes on his merry way.
I said: "We need to look at him".
(SIRENS WAILING) That same night, Martin jumps in front of a truck and commits suicide.
(MEN AND WOMEN TALKING, INDISTINCT) I had just interviewed him about 6 hours ago.
It was almost like a guilt trip, where: "Okay, I gotta kill myself because they're gonna get me.
They talked to me today, and they're gonna get me".
What does that mean? Why today? Why now? What is he involved in in this file? What role did he play? Did he play a role? We need to clean this up and find out what's going on here.
Martin jumps in front of a truck and commits suicide.
Now, did this happen because he knows something? Is he involved? Or is he not involved at all, and he just has issues? Hey, Gerry! What's up? I've got a woman waiting for you.
Name's Vicki White.
She wants to talk about her husband Ray.
This lady comes to the office.
Her name's Vicki.
"My husband took off, and he's got a loaded gun.
He's in a" "Whoa, slow down, Vicki.
Start this over again.
Who's your husband, first of all?" "My husband's name is Ray, Ray White".
He was going to pick our daughter up at school, but he never showed up.
He took my car, my credit card and, uh (SIGHING) and a gun.
His .
22.
Do you know of any reason why he might leave or I, uh I'm scared he might have done something terrible.
I saw on the news, uh Mary Lou? And her poor child.
I Do you know them? I knew Mary Lou.
We worked together.
Does Ray know her? I think he drove us both to work a few times.
I remember one night, we were both at the bar.
Uh Mary Lou was there too.
Ray just kept staring at her.
Can you think of any reason why he might want to harm them? Where was he Sunday night? Out with friends at the bar.
That's what he said.
This came out of the blue, absolutely out of the blue.
No idea what was going on here.
Ray was not on our radar.
No idea who Ray White was.
And this Vicki walked and gives us a story.
Well, I thought that was gold.
That's when we started doing background on Ray White.
What do we know about Ray White? Raymond White: Originally from BC.
Came here a few years ago, and the trouble started right up: drugs, violence, armed robbery Put in about 20 years in prison, on and off.
(GERRY): Ray White was a serious and a hardcore criminal.
We were able to track him down fairly quick.
- Shit! - Don't bother.
Ray White, you are under arrest.
So, Ray was arrested there for possession of firearms.
You can call an attorney when we get to the station Forget all that.
Let's just get this over with, all right? (SIGHING) The first thing he says is: "Never mind this BS.
I'll tell you everything".
Come on.
Of course, we're all excited now.
The gig's up.
At least, we feel the gig's up.
So, Ray ends up at this pizzeria, and we locate him.
As he walks out of the restaurant, we take him down right there.
He was arrested there for possession of firearms.
(WOMAN TALKING ON POLICE RADIO, INDISTINCT) (SIGHING) So, we get back, and Ray insists that he wants to speak to a female RCMP officer.
(DOOR CLOSING) Ray Hey.
(CLEARS THROAT) What do you know about the murders of Mary Lou Barnes and Larry Mills Jr.
? (SIGHING) It was a hit, uh, a contract.
On a mother and a child? How do you know this? (SIGHING) I met the guy who did it.
He didn't tell me much.
(SIGHING) But I got the sense that he was there for the woman.
He didn't know the kid was gonna be there.
So when he walked into the bedroom and saw what was happening (SIGHING) he had to go.
He strangled him too.
Who is this guy? I ain't saying.
Because I don't want the same thing to happen to my wife and kid.
He just he just told you all of this? I was selling him some coke, and he was trying to pay with this gold chain.
Said he took it from the victim, like a bonus payment for killing two people instead of just one.
What about the chain? It was big.
Close links.
Uh About this long.
Looked expensive.
Real expensive.
(GERRY): When we went to Mary Lou's mobile home, we had seized all the jewellery that was there.
If we were able to confirm that, in fact, there was a gold chain missing, we knew that we were onto something with Ray White.
We went back to Larry Mills.
I approached Larry, and I said: "You know, Larry, we didn't start off on a good foot".
Larry said: "No, Gerry, we didn't.
"It didn't go well at all.
"As a matter of fact, I hated you, and you hated me".
I said: "Larry, maybe you hated me more than I hated you".
So now, we're not friends in any way, shape or form.
But he's starting to warm up a bit to me.
"Oh, Gerry, what's up? What's going on? What are you doing here?" I'll tell you what I'm doing here, Larry.
I just want to identify this jewellery.
We got a bunch of jewellery here".
That's everything from Mary Lou's bedroom.
Just just see if you notice anything missing.
Hmm.
I got this before we got married.
(CHUCKLING) She loved that ring.
Where is it? Is something missing? Yeah.
Where is it? He's identifying jewellery and identifying this necklace and this bracelet.
And he says: "Wait a sec!" He taps the table.
He says: "Where's the goddamn chain?" - Did you guys take something? - Larry Did somebody steal it? Somebody must have stolen it, right? She would never take it off.
Just tell me what you're looking for.
A big gold chain.
The necklace that I got for Mary Lou in New York.
And it cost me a bundle too.
It's not here.
"I'm telling you, there's an effin' chain missing, and Mary Lou never took that chain off.
And so, where's the fricking chain?" He described it the same way that Ray described it.
But it's not there.
So, we had a meeting back up at the office.
And I said: "Guys, we are onto something".
The next night, Ray's picture is flashed on TV as he's walking into court for gun charges.
We get a phone call.
"That's not Raymond White.
That's Ray Parker.
He tried to sexually assault me a couple of days ago".
Turns out an individual by the name of Ray Parker played the scenario of the guy wanting to buy a house and attempted to sexually assault this real-estate lady.
And so, he was arrested, and he's got 3 years of a sentence for the sexual assault and the possession of the illegal firearms that had absolutely nothing to do with the double homicide that we were investigating.
We had to gather the evidence that we required to lay a charge of double homicide before his 3 years were up.
Tell me who did it.
Tell the truth.
(CHUCKLING) Look, man I don't blame you for trying.
But I ain't doing it.
Now, good luck on catching the guy.
And good luck on making him talk.
'Cause he's gonna take everything he did and lock it up, put it in a compartment right here and never let it out.
Ray's now number one on our list.
He's our guy.
But we needed more evidence.
I would go to Larry's probably 2, 3 times a month.
He'd sit outside, have a cigarette.
I'd sit outside and talk with him.
Sometimes, he wouldn't say much.
Sometimes, he'd give me hell.
I'd take it.
I'd listen to him.
He was frustrated by the loss.
But I kept reminding Larry that: "We're gonna have one shot at this.
And so, we need to make sure that we have our ducks in a row so that your son and your ex-wife are treated fairly at the end of the day.
And we're not there yet, Larry".
I don't understand.
You know he did it.
We don't have any proof.
No forensic evidence, no DNA, no confession.
The truth is not enough.
Goddammit! (SIGHING) I saw him, you know.
Who? Larry Jr.
Well, I didn't see him.
I I felt him.
(SIGHING) Larry was really, really down in the dumps.
And he went in the woods, brought his rifle with him, a shotgun with him, and he did some soul searching.
And he sat down.
He said: "That's it".
"I'm fed up of life.
Larry's never coming back.
My life is miserable.
I think of him every day.
I can't look at his picture".
The shotgun was loaded.
He had it down by his feet.
And he was ready to do his thing.
And he said that's when he got the vision.
That's when Junior talked to him.
And Junior said, Rare said: "Dad, don't do this.
Don't do this".
And he didn't move forward.
"Because I'm dead doesn't give you the right to bring yourself to me.
You need to live your life".
And he put the gun down.
(INHALING DEEPLY, EXHALING) Since then, I've been trying to work on my anger, you know, to stay positive, stay focused, but it's hard.
It's real hard.
I know you're angry and I know it hurts, but he is going away for 3 years.
Three years.
That gives us time to keep digging, find more evidence.
A witness, something.
And we will find it.
He is going away for this.
You have my word.
And I said: "Larry, I'm on your side.
You need to be patient.
You need to trust me.
And you need to allow us to do our job.
And sometimes, it takes more time than what we want.
It's just the nature of the beast".
- Well, 3 years comes up.
- We did not have any evidence to hold Ray or charge him for a double homicide.
Ray White walked out of prison a free man.
Ah! (RAY ON RECORDING): It's so good to be out of jail.
We didn't give up, though! The day that Ray walked out of jail, we had eyes and ears on him.
White went back to BC, but we were there waiting for him.
I was once described by one of my supervisors: "Gerry is like a pit bull.
When he bites, he doesn't let go".
So, when I was told that Ray White was in British Columbia, well, I went into pit bull mode and I went after him.
We set up an undercover operation and we had an undercover operator working as a drug dealer, and Ray bought into that.
I think it's all there.
You're trying to tell me you counted through half a million dollars? Well, ballpark.
Shit! It's easy to make money out here.
It's like the Wild West.
- I should have never left.
- Whoa, whoa! What the hell are you doing? No, you're still on the clock.
You're paranoid, you know that? Take a hit.
Maybe relax a little.
Seriously.
I used to do a bit of coke back in the day.
Now, I was lucky I had the boss I did.
Took care of me before I let things get out of hand.
That shit makes you go crazy.
Mmm.
Yeah, tell me about it.
Coke made me do some shit back East I'm not proud of.
What kind of shit? I got high.
I got crazy.
A couple of people got what they deserved.
Jesus, Ray! Listen, don't worry about it, man.
It was years ago.
They never got me, and they never will.
I made sure of that.
No witnesses.
They don't even know where I am.
What happened? You already know everything you need to know.
The rest of it stays with me.
I got it locked in a compartment right here.
Good luck on catching the guy.
He's gonna take everything he did and lock it up, put it in a compartment right here.
We got him! He said himself: "Those two people got what they deserve, and the reason I did it is because I had my coke problem.
And as far as I'm concerned, it's in a compartment, and it ain't ever coming out".
So, when we get back to New Brunswick, we're high-fiving each other.
We're now on a high.
We thought: "We finally got the evidence that we need to get this before the courts".
So we sit down with the crown prosecutor.
The crown tells me, specifically: "Gerry, you gotta understand.
We're at a balance of probability of 49% on this double homicide.
If you can get me to 51%, I'll approve the charge".
And I looked at that crown prosecutor, sure as I'm looking at you today, and I'm saying: "What kind of language is that? Explain to me" I said: "Never mind.
"Explain to Larry, explain to the son's father, what you mean when you talk about a balance of probabilities at 51% versus 49%, and we're at 49%.
Explain that one to me".
He strangled my son.
He killed my son.
You know he did it.
He knows he did it.
They know he did it.
They do.
But we only get one shot at this.
And if we try to prosecute, he gets away with it.
He already did.
Talk about frustration! Talk about being upset! Talk about a dark day.
I didn't have a good day when I went home.
It was not a good day.
Yes, I was disappointed.
Yes, I was frustrated.
I had to suck it up.
To lay a charge of double homicide, we had to get the DNA on the pantyhose to match Ray White's DNA.
Unless technology allows to separate those two DNA samples, not much more I can do.
2009, I had a member come onto unit, Greg Lockson.
This member was a sharp cookie.
Greg took the file, checked all those things out again and resubmitted the exhibit.
Except now, we're dealing, in 2009, with a new technology.
And this technology was able to separate the male DNA completely away from the female DNA that we knew was Mary Lou Barnes and put that aside.
"And let's work on this component".
(PHONE RINGING) Yep? When I got the call from the lab He said: "Gerry, are you sitting down? We got him.
You got him".
And I said: "Ray?" He said: "Yeah, you got him.
We got him.
I just got the test back.
We're taking him down".
It was like "Wow! There is a God! There is a God!" Gerry, what are you doing? We got him.
And Larry was stunned.
He said: "Oh, I don't get it, Gerry.
What changed?" I said: "Technology changed, Larry".
And I said: "We got the bastard".
I said: "We got him.
We're going to court".
We got the son of a bitch.
We got him! We got him! (CRYING) Thank you.
(CHUCKLING) Yes! (REPORTER): A moment of pure joy after years of sadness.
Larry Mills Sr.
, his family and friends were in court for the sentencing of 65-year-old Raymond Joseph White.
The judge sentenced White to life in prison with no chance of parole for 15 years.
You never get over it.
You know? I have to live with this for the rest of my life.
I've beat myself up time and time and time again.
Mills Sr.
credits the RCMP for solving the murders.
Staff Sergeant Gerry Belliveau worked on the case for 13 years.
Regardless if the "why" can never be answered, justice was served.
The right person will pay for the crimes that that person committed.
Mills Sr.
says a weight has been lifted off his shoulders.
I'm just glad it's over.
Finally, we can let Larry and Mary rest in peace.
The two victims were killed in a house that used to sit on this spot.
After their deaths, the boy's father planted two cedar trees in their memory.
And it's here where Larry Mills Sr.
came today to gather himself and to lay flowers: red roses for his former wife, white roses for his son.
(GERRY): And I had my own 10-minute chat with Mary Lou and Junior.
I said I said: "Mary Lou you don't know me".
(GERRY SNIFFLING) I said: "My name's Gerry Belliveau.
And I said: "I was there that day you passed away".
And I said: "I worked for you.
And I worked for your ex.
And I worked for Junior.
And I want you to know that we worked hard on your behalf, and you can rest in peace".
And I said: "Larry Jr.
, my name is Gerry Belliveau.
And you can rest in peace.
And your father is doing okay.
He's gonna be all right.
That's all I have to say".