My Ghost Story (2010) s04e14 Episode Script
The Dead Can Dance
Bizjak: I CAUGHT A PICTURE OF WHAT LOOKS LIKE A GUY BEHIND US -- REALLY FREAKED US OUT.
I FELT THAT WHAT YOU'RE DOING PROBABLY ISN'T SAFE, AND YOU PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE THERE.
Conder: IT WAS THE SENSE THAT THERE WAS SOMEONE STANDING RIGHT BEHIND ME AND FOLLOWING ME.
Heaney: THERE IS A HUMAN FORM, AND IT IS ON THE DANCE FLOOR WITH THAT GIRL.
Girodengo: IT JUST WANTED TO TAKE EVERY BIT OF MY LIFE FORCE AND JUST CONSUME IT.
Cadena: I GOT A PICTURE OF A LITTLE GHOST GIRL WALKING ACROSS MY FRONT LAWN.
SHE RAN TOWARDS ME AND DISAPPEARED.
Drahos: I SEE THIS APPARITION THAT'S SHAPED LIKE A MAN.
HE WAS TALL.
I JUST GOT CHILLS, AND I'M THINKING, "WHO IS THIS?" Bizjak: I SAW A SHADOW-SHAPED PERSON.
IT'S REALLY CREEPY.
MY GHOST STORY BEGAN WHEN I STARTED A PARANORMAL INVESTIGATION TOUR COMPANY IN SALEM, MASSACHUSETTS.
Chouinard: KIM AND I WERE WORKING FOR A MUSEUM IN SALEM, AND WE WERE DOING TOURS TOGETHER.
AND, ONE DAY, WE GOT TO TALKING, AND WE DECIDED THAT WE BOTH HAD THE SAME PASSION.
Bizjak: PEOPLE IN TOWN WOULD COME IN, AND THEY'D GO ON THESE KIND OF CHEESY TOURS, AND THEY WOULD ASK US, LIKE, "DOESN'T ANYONE IN TOWN DO A REAL INVESTIGATION LIKE YOU SEE ON TV?" THEY ALL KIND OF WAN THAT PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITHOUT HAVING TO JOIN A PARANORMAL TEAM.
Chouinard: KIM AND I TEACH PEOPLE HOW TO USE THE EQUIPMENT, AND THEN WE TAKE THEM OU ON A REAL GHOST HUN THROUGHOUT THE TOWN.
Bizjak: IT'S BEEN PRETTY SUCCESSFUL SO FAR.
TEN FEDERAL IS A BUILDING IN DOWNTOWN SALEM THAT USED TO BE THE SITE OF THE DUNGEONS BACK IN 1692.
THAT'S WHERE YOU WOULD BE HELD AWAITING YOUR TRIAL.
IT HAS A REALLY DARK HISTORY.
FOUR PEOPLE ACTUALLY DIED IN PRISON DOWN THERE.
WHEN THEY DISCOVERED THE DUNGEONS BACK IN THE '50s, THERE WASN' A HISTORICAL SOCIETY, SO THEY JUST TORE THE WHOLE THING APART.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS GONE, AND THEY JUST BUIL OVER TOP OF IT.
WE ALWAYS ASK EVERYBODY WHO TAKES OUR TOUR TO SEND US THEIR EVIDENCE.
I SEE PICTURES AND AUDIO AND THINGS THAT ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE SENDING IN.
ONE TIME, SOMEBODY SENT IN A PHOTO FROM THE TOUR AT THE WITCH DUNGEONS.
AND IT WAS A TOURIST STANDING THERE IN FRONT OF THE DUNGEONS, AND THERE WAS AN APPARITION BEHIND THEM.
I COULDN'T PLACE ANYBODY IN THE TOUR AS THE PERSON IN THE PHOTO.
Chouinard: WE START LOOKING A THE PHOTO TO TRY AND DEBUNK IT, AND WE NOTICE THA THE GENTLEMAN IN THE PICTURE IS WEARING A LONG, WHITE SHIR AND LONG PANTS.
IT WAS THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER, AND EVERYBODY WAS WEARING SHORTS AND SHORT SLEEVES.
IT'S JUST A REALLY OMINOUS PICTURE.
I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE THE PERSON'S JUST BEING SUCKED AWAY.
IT'S REALLY CREEPY.
Bizjak: GALLOWS HILL PARK IS WHERE, SUPPOSEDLY, THE ACCUSED WITCHES WERE HANGED DURING 1692.
SO, 19 PEOPLE WERE HANGED UP IN THAT AREA.
THEY WERE JUST THROWN IN A BIG MASS GRAVE, AND NOBODY KNOWS WHERE THAT IS.
IT'S BEEN KIND OF OUR GOAL TO TRY TO FIND IT.
THE FEELING YOU GE AT GALLOWS HILL DURING THE DAY IS KIND OF A NICE, PEACEFUL PLACE.
BUT AS SOON AS IT GETS DARK, IT FEELS CREEPY, AND YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE IN FRONT OF YOU.
THERE'S NO LIGHTS.
YOU KIND OF FEEL LIKE YOU WANT TO GET BACK IN YOUR CAR AND GO HOME.
I WAS TAKING PICTURES BEFORE WE WENT UP INTO THE WOODS.
I TAKE THE PICTURE, AND, IN THE RIGHT-HAND CORNER, THERE'S LIKE A GLOWING, PURPLE, ROUND MIST.
AND I CLICK ANOTHER SHOT, AND IT GOT BIGGER.
AND ANOTHER SHOT, AND IT GOT BIGGER.
AND ANOTHER SHOT, AND IT ALMOS LOOKED PERSON-SHAPED.
AND I TOOK ANOTHER SHOT, AND IT WENT AWAY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
MAYBE IT WAS A SPIRIT.
MAYBE IT WAS SOME SOR OF BUILD-UP OF ENERGY.
Chouinard: THAT WAS VERY FREAKY.
Bizjak: AT A PLAYGROUND NEAR GALLOWS HILL, WE HAD A BACHELORETTE PARTY, WHICH IS KIND OF A STRANGE THING, BUT THAT'S WHA THEY WANTED TO DO.
WE WERE SHOWING THEM HOW TO DO AN EVP SESSION, AND YOU HEAR, LIKE, THIS SMALL, LITTLE SQUEAK.
AND THERE WAS NO WIND AT ALL.
IT SOUNDED LIKE ONE OF THE SWINGS MOVED.
THEY WERE SCREAMING AND FREAKING OU THAT THE SWING MOVED ALL BY ITSELF.
Chouinard: WENT OVER TO THE SWING SET, AND I PUSHED ONE OF THE SWINGS.
IT WENT JUST LIKE A REGULAR SWING.
I WENT OVER AND PUSHED THE OTHER SWING, AND IT WAS VERY HEAVY.
I MEAN, I THOUGHT MY SON WAS IN IT -- THE WAY IT FELT.
Bizjak: WE'RE BOTH MOMS.
WE KNOW WHAT IT FEELS LIKE WHEN YOU'RE PUSHING YOUR SON ON A SWING.
Chouinard: SO, I TURN AROUND AND SAID TO THEM, "THE SWING WAS INCREDIBLY HEAVY.
" Bizjak: I'M STARTING TO GET REALLY SCARED.
Chouinard: I WENT TO GO PUSH I AGAIN, AND IT WENT FLYING.
Bizjak: I FELT THAT REAL ADRENALINE-HOT FEELING -- THAT WHAT YOU'RE DOING PROBABLY ISN'T SAFE, AND YOU PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE THERE.
IT WAS REALLY FREAKY.
WE BROUGHT A PRIVATE GROUP UP TO GALLOWS HILL.
THIS GUY THAT WAS ON THE TOUR SAID HE WAS A PSYCHIC.
HIS EYES WOULD DART AROUND AND HE WAS LOOKING IN THE WOODS OVER HERE AND LOOKING IN THE WOODS OVER HERE, AND HE WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, "THERE'S SOMEONE OVER THERE! THERE'S SOMEONE THIS WAY! WE'RE GONNA GO THIS WAY.
" IT WAS FREAKING US OU 'CAUSE THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE ON OUT TOUR.
HE RAN UP INTO THE WOODS BY HIMSELF.
Chouinard: WE WERE ALL CALLING FOR HIM, TRYING TO SEE WHERE HE WAS.
Bizjak: IN THE WOODS, HE COULD SAY THAT HE COULD SEE ORBS, AND I SEE AN ORB, LIKE, WITH MY OWN EYES, AND I TOOK A PICTURE.
AND I WAS SHOWING CORY -- YOU KNOW, I'M LIKE, "LOOK AT THIS.
I FOUND AN ORB.
HE'S NOT MAKING THIS UP.
WE GOT TO GO GET HIM.
" CORY AND I LOCKED ARMS WITH SOME OF THE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE GROUP, AND WE HEADED UP THE PATHWAY.
YOU COULD HEAR FOOTSTEPS, LEAVES RUSTLING, TWIGS BREAKING.
CORY KEPT SAYING, "I FEEL LIKE SOMEONE'S BEHIND US.
" Chouinard: I MEAN, I WAS COMPLETELY ANTICIPATING TURNING AROUND AND SEEING SOMEBODY FOLLOWING MY FOOTSTEPS.
WE FINALLY FOUND HIM.
HE WAS JUST SITTING CROSS-LEGGED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TREES AND JUST STARTED BLABBERING ABOUT HOW HE SAW A GUY OUR HEARTS ARE RACING A LITTLE BI BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THIS KID IS FREAKING OUT ON OUR TOUR WHEN WE JUST GOT STARTED.
WE GOT UP TO THIS AREA WHERE THERE'S A WATER TOWER AND A LOT OF BIG ROCKS.
ONE OF THE GIRLS ON THE TOUR WAS LIKE, "I WANT TO TAKE A PICTURE OF YOU AND KIM.
" Bizjak: CORY AND I SAT ON A ROCK.
Chouinard: SHE TOOK A PICTURE OF US.
A COUPLE DAYS LATER WHEN WE WERE REVIEWING THE EVIDENCE, THERE WAS ACTUALLY AN APPARITION STANDING BEHIND US.
Bizjak: HE HAD CRAZY HAIR, A SKINNY TIE WITH A COLLAR.
Chouinard: HIS FACE COMPLETELY LOOKED LIKE IT WAS BEING DRAGGED.
I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN WHO WAS FOLLOWING US, AND THAT DEFINITELY SCARED ME.
Bizjak: THE FACT THAT CORY WAS SAYING, THE ENTIRE TIME, THAT SHE FEL LIKE SOMEONE WAS BEHIND US AND WE CAUGHT A PICTURE OF WHAT LOOKS LIKE A GUY BEHIND US REALLY FREAKED US OUT.
Chouinard: THIS EXPERIENCE HAS CHANGED ME BECAUSE IT MAKES ME A LITTLE BI MORE AFRAID OF THE DARK.
I HAVE TO SLEEP WITH SOME KIND OF LIGHT ON NOW.
Bizjak: SALEM HAS A REALLY DARK HISTORY.
PEOPLE WANT TO HEAR ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN 1692.
THESE PEOPLE ARE STILL THERE, STILL TRYING TO SAY WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM AND HAVE SOMEONE LISTEN.
Woman: WHAT WAS THAT? Girodengo: THE NEXT THING WE KNOW, JUST HER WHOLE CAMERA JUST WENT BLANK.
I FELT THIS DARK ENERGY THAT WANTED TO TAKE EVERY BIT OF MY LIFE FORCE AND JUST CONSUME IT.
I HAVE NEVER BEEN MORE SCARED IN MY LIFE.
Girodengo: I FELT THIS DARK ENERGY THAT WANTED TO TAKE EVERY BIT OF MY LIFE FORCE AND JUST CONSUME IT.
I HAVE NEVER BEEN MORE SCARED IN MY LIFE.
MY GHOST STORY BEGAN WHEN I VISITED A HAUNTED DANCE STUDIO IN SONOMA, CALIFORNIA.
I WAS TAKING A BELLY-DANCE CLASS WITH A GIRLFRIEND, WHO WAS TEACHING A CLASS THERE.
AND AFTER ABOUT THE THIRD WEEK, SHE ASKED ME TO STAY AFTER WITH HER TO LOCK UP.
AND I ASKED HER WHY, AND SHE SAID, "'CAUSE SOMETHING PRETTY HEAVY IS GOING ON HERE.
" THERE WOULD BE NO ONE ELSE IN THE BUILDING, AND WE WOULD HEAR SOMEBODY STOMPING UP AND DOWN THE STAIRS -- LIKE, IT WAS JUST POUNDING.
AND WE'D GO OUT THERE, AND THERE WOULDN'T BE ANYONE THERE.
I'M AN INVESTIGATIVE SORT OF PERSON, SO I LIKE TO KIND OF DIG UNTIL I FIND THE SOURCE OF THINGS.
AND SO WE TALKED TO THE OWNER, AND WE BROUGHT IN THIS INVESTIGATION GROUP.
Bramlette: CINNAMON BROUGHT IT UP.
THE HAUNTED DANCE STUDIO -- IT WAS AN INTERESTING PLACE, AND THEY'D HAD EXPERIENCES THERE.
SO IT SOUNDED LIKE A GOOD PLACE FOR US TO DO AN INVESTIGATION.
Girodengo: THE HISTORY OF THE BUILDING IS THAT, IN THE '70s -- THAT IT HAD BEEN AN EVANGELICAL CHURCH FOR ABOUT 25 YEARS.
THEN IT HAD BEEN TURNED INTO A DANCE STUDIO.
AS THE INVESTIGATIVE GROUP WENT INTO THE BUILDING, I REMEMBER JUST BEING HI WITH THIS JUST REALLY HEAVY, STICKY, CREEPY ENERGY.
Bramlette: ON THE SURFACE, IT LOOKS ALL NEW AND REMODELED AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT YOU JUST KIND OF GO A WEIRD, EERIE VIBE ABOUT IT.
Girodengo: I JUST FEL SOMETHING WAS OFF.
I STARTED REALLY GETTING AN IDEA THAT SOMETHING HORRIBLE HAD HAPPENED.
WE ENDED UP GOING INTO THE SMALL DANCE STUDIO FIRST.
WE SET UP SEVERAL CAMERAS IN THERE.
WE ALSO HAD AN E.
M.
F.
METER, AND WE HAD OUR DIGITAL RECORDERS.
PART OF MY ROLE THERE WAS TO BE A SENSITIVE AND TO BE AN INTUITIVE, TO JUST SEE IF I CAN CONNEC TO ANY ENERGIES THAT MIGHT BE THERE.
I, ESSENTIALLY, CAN SENSE A LOT OF THINGS THAT OTHER PEOPLE MAYBE JUST TAKE FOR GRANTED OR DON'T EVEN OBSERVE.
SO, I KIND OF WENT INTO A LIGHT TRANCE AND STARTED TO TUNE INTO THIS ENERGY OF THE BUILDING.
I STARTED SEEING A VISION OF A MALE.
HE LOOKED KIND OF LIKE A FARMER, AND HE LOOKED A LITTLE HAGGARD.
AND THEN I REMEMBER SEEING THIS FEMALE JUST STANDING BEHIND HIM.
Bramlette: CINNAMON HAD A VERY HEAVY MEDIUMSHIP EPISODE, WHERE SHE WAS SO MUCH IN TRANCE.
SHE WAS JUST BASICALLY SPEAKING THE WORDS OF THESE SPIRITS THAT SHE WAS CONTACTING.
Girodengo: AND SO I JUS STARTED ASKING, "WHAT IS THIS? WHO ARE YOU?" AND THEN WHAT STARTED TO UNFOLD WAS, I JUST SAW -- THE ONLY THING I CAN DESCRIBE IT AS -- KIND OF LIKE A SCENE, LIKE IN A MOVIE, WHERE I SAW THIS YOUNG WOMAN GIVING BIRTH, AND HIM JUST TAKING THE BABY AND TAKING IT DOWN TO THE ROOT CELLAR AND JUST MURDERING THIS BABY.
THE SADNESS, THE TERROR, AND THE ANGER WAS JUST LINGERING.
IT WAS VERY, VERY INTENSE.
LATER ON, AS WE WERE KIND OF WRAPPING IT UP, WE FELT THIS BEING ESCALATING AND GETTING ANGRIER AND ANGRIER.
IT WAS ALMOST LIKE JUST THIS CHAOS, THIS KIND OF WHIRLWIND OF ENERGY.
THE CAMERA'S ACTUALLY POINTING TOWARD THE GLASS DOOR AND THAT'S WHEN WE GOT THE ORB AND IT WAS RIGHT BEHIND ME.
AND YOU CAN WATCH THE ORB JUST GO ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE SCREEN, AND THEN IT'S ALMOST LIKE -- IT JUST DISSIPATES RIGHT DOWN INTO THE GROUND.
Bramlette: AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE I COMING BACK UP FROM THE FLOOR AS SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
IT'S NO LONGER AN ORB.
IT LOOKS MORE LIKE A SPRI OR SOMETHING.
Girodengo: I FELT THAT THE ORB WAS ACTUALLY THE YOUNG GIRL -- HIS DAUGHTER.
I FELT THAT SHE WAS TRYING TO MAKE HER PRESENCE KNOWN.
SO, THE NEXT ROOM THAT WE DECIDED TO GO TO WAS THE ROOM WHICH WAS RIGH BEHIND THE INITIAL DANCE STUDIO.
I JUST REALLY FEL THAT THERE WAS THIS DARK ENERGY THAT WAS WAITING TO JUST GRAB WHATEVER IT COULD.
LIKE, IT JUST WANTED TO TAKE EVERY BIT OF MY LIFE FORCE AND JUST CONSUME IT.
I NOTICED THAT I COULD SEE ALMOST A SILHOUETTE OF SOMEONE, AND THEN IT EXPANDED OU TO WHERE IT WAS JUST LIKE A WALL OF JUST DARKNESS.
ONE OF THE GROUP MEMBERS WAS FILMING IT.
AND THE NEXT THING WE KNOW, JUST HER WHOLE CAMERA JUST WENT BLANK.
AND IT JUST MOVED THROUGH THE ROOM, KIND OF HESITATED RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROOM, AND THEN IT JUST MOVED ON.
I REMEMBER JUST FEELING THIS SENSATION OF -- I SEE FEAR AND JUST HATRED.
THE SPIRIT IN THAT ROOM WAS THE FATHER.
I COULD FEEL HIS ANGER GETTING MORE AND MORE INTENSE AND MORE AGGRESSIVE TOWARD ME, AND I KNOW THAT HE JUS WANTED ME TO SHUT THE HELL UP.
WE'D ASKED, "WHAT DO YOU WANT?" AND THAT'S WHEN WE GOT THE EVP.
"BE GONE" -- THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTED.
HE WANTED ME TO JUST GO AWAY.
I WAS PRETTY SCARED.
LATER THAT NIGHT, WE WERE WALKING DOWN THE HALLWAY, AND I REMEMBER JUST FEELING LIKE SOMETHING WAS TRYING TO GET MY ATTENTION.
AND I LOOK, AND I SEE THERE'S A DOOR.
AND FOR SOME REASON, I HAD NEVER NOTICED THIS DOOR BEFORE AND YET AGAIN, I WAS STARTING TO FEEL THAT REALLY HEAVY, DARK ENERGY.
AND AS I WAS STANDING AT THE TOP OF THE STEPS, SOMETHING JUST CAME BEHIND ME, AND I JUST FELT SOMETHING HIT ME IN BETWEEN MY SHOULDER BLADES.
AND I JUST -- "BAM" -- WAS PUSHED DOWN THE STAIRS.
IT JUST COMPLETELY KNOCKED ME RIGHT OUT OF MY BODY.
IMMEDIATELY, I FELT SICK.
ALL THIS HATRED, ALL THIS ANGER, ALL THIS, JUST, DARKNESS HAD JUST BEEN SLAMMED RIGHT THROUGH MY BODY.
SO I JUST RAN INTO THE BATHROOM, JUST VOMITING.
THAT IS WHEN I REMEMBER SAM COMING TO MAKE SURE THAT I WAS OKAY.
Bramlette: AFTER CINNAMON GOT PUSHED DOWN THE STAIRS, SHE LOOKED DEATHLY PALE, ALL SHOOKEN UP, WHITE LIKE SHE'D SEEN A GHOST.
Girodengo: I HAVE NEVER BEEN MORE SCARED IN MY LIFE.
I JUST WANTED OUT OF THERE.
I KNEW I'D HAD ENOUGH.
I'VE PUSHED MYSELF TO THE LIMIT, AND WE DECIDED TO LEAVE.
I FEEL THAT THE SPIRI WAS REALLY CLEARLY TRYING TO SEND A MESSAGE TO ME THAT I NEEDED TO GET OU AND THAT MY MESSING WITH THINGS WAS JUST NOT WELCOMED.
IT VALIDATED WHAT I KNEW WAS TRUE ABOUT THE AFTERLIFE, THAT THERE ARE GHOSTS OR SPIRITS THAT WALK AMONG US.
I HAVE NOT BEEN BACK TO THE DANCE STUDIO, AND I HAVE NO INTENTION OF GOING BACK TO THE DANCE STUDIO.
Heaney: WE ALWAYS SEEMED TO BE SURROUNDED BY SPIRIT CHILDREN.
[ CHILDREN LAUGHING .]
YOU GET THAT CREEPY FEELING AS SOON AS YOU WALK IN.
THERE IS A HUMAN FORM, IT IS A CHILD, AND IT IS ON THE DANCE FLOOR WITH THAT GIRL.
Heaney: WE ALWAYS SEEMED TO BE SURROUNDED BY SPIRIT CHILDREN.
[ CHILDREN LAUGHING .]
THERE IS A HUMAN FORM, IT IS A CHILD, AND IT IS ON THE DANCE FLOOR WITH THAT GIRL.
Conder: MY GHOST STORY BEGAN THE FIRST TIME I WEN TO THE ALLEGAN LODGE IN ALLEGAN, MICHIGAN.
I'VE ALWAYS REALLY BEEN INTERESTED IN THE EXISTENCE OF SPIRITS AND GHOSTS.
ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO, I ACTUALLY STARTED FORMALLY INVESTIGATING.
I'VE BEEN WORKING THOSE WHOLE 20 YEARS ON DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, RESEARCHING, AND INTERVIEWING AND COMPILING EVIDENCE.
Heaney: I MET KATHY WHEN I HAD GONE IN FOR A MASSAGE AT A LOCAL SPA.
WE HAD STARTED TALKING ABOUT PARANORMAL THINGS, AND KATHY AND I HIT IT OFF IMMEDIATELY.
Conder: WHEN I FIRST CAME TO TOWN, I KEPT HEARING STORIES ABOUT THE ALLEGAN LODGE, THAT EVERYBODY TALKED ABOU HOW HAUNTED IT WAS.
Heaney: THE ALLEGAN LODGE BEGAN AS A HOSPITAL IN THE EARLY 1900s, AND IT WAS VERY MUCH A COMMUNITY-RUN HOSPITAL.
Conder: DR.
JOHN ROBINSON BUIL IT AND NAMED IT FOR HIS SON.
Heaney: THERE BEGAN TO BE LITTLE WHISPERS WHEN THE NEW DOCTOR CAME IN, AND THERE WERE REPORTS OF STRANGE CARS COMING IN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, DROPPING OFF THINGS.
Conder: PEOPLE WERE OFF-LOADED FROM THE CAR AND TAKEN INTO THE BUILDING -- WHICH, OBVIOUSLY, ISN'T NORMAL HOSPITAL HOURS -- AND THE CARS WERE FROM ILLINOIS.
THEY WEREN'T FROM IN MICHIGAN.
Heaney: THERE WAS WHISPERS OF RUNNING MOONSHINE THROUGH DURING PROHIBITION.
IT WAS TALKED ABOUT THAT THERE MIGHT BE A MOB CONNECTION, ESPECIALLY WITH THE CHICAGO TIES, AND AL CAPONE HAD PROPERTY IN THE ALLEGAN AREA.
Conder: I CONTACTED THE ELKS, WHO HAD THEIR LODGE THERE IN THE BUILDING, TO SEE IF IT REALLY WAS HAUNTED.
I KNEW THE CHANCES WERE THAT THE BUILDING VERY WELL COULD BE PARANORMALLY ACTIVE BECAUSE OLD HOSPITALS, OLD MASONIC OR ELKS LODGES, TEND TO BE PARANORMALLY ACTIVE.
I BEGAN TO TALK TO THE PEOPLE THAT WORK THERE.
THEY ALL TOLD DIFFERENT STORIES, BUT A LOT OF THEM WENT BACK TO HEARING CHILDREN RUNNING AND PLAYING UPSTAIRS AND CHILDREN RUNNING UP AND DOWN THE STAIRS.
[ CHILDREN LAUGHING .]
THE FIRST TIME I WALKED INTO THE LODGE, IT WAS LIKE PASSING THROUGH -- ALMOST THROUGH AN ELECTRICAL FIELD.
VERY STATICALLY CHARGED -- THE HAIR WENT UP ON MY ARMS AND THE BACK OF MY NECK.
Heaney: YOU GET THAT CREEPY FEELING AS SOON AS YOU WALK IN.
YOU DIDN'T FEEL ALONE.
WHEN YOU WALK DOWN THE STAIRS TO THE BASEMENT -- THE STAIRS ARE WOODEN, AND THERE'S A MUSTY SMELL THAT COMES IN.
IT'S A REAL OLD BUILDING.
AND THAT CREEPY FEELING -- YOU KIND OF FEEL LIKE THE WALLS ARE CLOSING IN ON YOU A LITTLE DOWN THERE.
Conder: THE BASEMEN DEFINITELY HAS THE CLOSES TO WHAT I WOULD CALL A NEGATIVE FEEL TO IT.
IT WAS THE SENSE OF ALWAYS FEELING THAT THERE WAS SOMEONE STANDING RIGHT BEHIND ME AND FOLLOWING ME.
[ INDISTINCT WHISPERING .]
I HAVE BEEN DOWN IN THA BASEMENT MANY TIMES BY MYSELF, BUT THERE WERE A FEW TIMES WHERE I REALLY WENT UP THE STAIRS PRETTY FAST TO GET OUT OF THERE.
Heaney: ONE NIGH WHEN WE WERE IN THE BASEMENT, WE WERE TALKING, AND I HAD MENTIONED KATHY'S NAME.
AND THEN, KIND OF WORKING ITS WAY INTO OUR CONVERSATION, THERE WAS ANOTHER VOICE THAT SAID, "SHE'S BEEN HERE ALL WEEK.
" AND IT WASN'T A WHISPER, IT WASN'T ONE OF US, BUT IT WAS QUITE OBVIOUS THA SOMEBODY WAS PAYING ATTENTION.
Conder: THIS SPIRIT IS ACTUALLY AWARE THAT I'VE BEEN HERE.
I GUESS MAYBE IT IS GOOD TO TREAT THEM WITH -- YOU KNOW, WITH RESPEC BECAUSE FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY'RE THERE, IT'S THEIR SPACE.
IT'S NOT MINE.
I HAD A GROUP GOING THROUGH THE LODGE.
WE GIVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE, AT THE END, TO KIND OF WANDER THROUGH THE BUILDING THEMSELVES.
AND THERE WAS A YOUNG WOMAN THAT WENT DOWN INTO THE BASEMEN AFTER EVERYONE HAD LEFT.
SHE STARTED TO WALK UP TOWARD THE STAIRS AND FELT THAT THERE WAS SOMEONE BEHIND HER AND TURNED AROUND AND SNAPPED A PICTURE.
THERE WAS A VERY CLEAR ORB BEHIND HER, AND IT WAS RIGHT WHERE SHE FEL THERE WAS SOMEONE.
IT WAS JUST ANOTHER PIECE OF EVIDENCE THAT THE LODGE IS HAUNTED.
Heaney: MANY OF OUR INVESTIGATIONS AT THE LODGE HAVE INVOLVED ENCOUNTERS WITH SPIRIT CHILDREN.
WE ALWAYS SEEM TO BE SURROUNDED BY THEM.
NOT QUITE SURE WHY THERE ARE SO MANY SPIRIT CHILDREN AT THE LODGE -- MAYBE BECAUSE THEY WERE THERE WHEN IT WAS A HOSPITAL OR THEIR PARENTS WORKED THERE OR JUST SPENT A LOT OF TIME THERE WHEN IT WAS AN ELKS LODGE.
Conder: I DON'T KNOW IF THA MEANS THAT THERE ARE CHILDREN THAT SPECIFICALLY WAN TO HANG OUT IN THE ATTIC.
BUT I'VE ALWAYS FOUND THAT OUR K2 METERS, A LOT OF SCIENTIFIC EQUIPMEN THAT WE USE REALLY REACTS UP THERE.
MY TEAM MEMBER CINDY -- THIS ONE NIGHT, SHE POINTED UP THE STAIRS AND TOOK A PICTURE.
UPON REVIEWING THE PHOTOGRAPHS LATER, SHE SENT THIS ONE TO ME, AND WE WERE BOTH JUST AMAZED.
IT WAS THE LIKENESS OF A COUPLE OF LITTLE BOYS.
Heaney: HERE'S A COUPLE OF INQUISITIVE LITTLE GUYS THAT ARE PEERING DOWN, WONDERING WHAT EVERYBODY'S DOING THERE.
Conder: IT REALLY CONFIRMED WHAT I HAD SUSPECTED ALL ALONG, THAT THERE WERE CHILDREN UP THERE, AND THAT WE REALLY LUCKED OU IN GETTING A PICTURE OF THEM.
Heaney: ONE OF THE BES PIECES OF EVIDENCE OF SPIRIT CHILDREN AT THE LODGE WAS CAPTURED DURING AN EVEN THAT WAS HOSTED THERE.
THERE WAS A DEEJAY AND A DANCE GOING ON DOWNSTAIRS.
THERE WAS A YOUNG WOMAN DANCING ON THE DANCE FLOOR, AND A FRIEND OF HERS TOOK A PHOTOGRAPH WITH HER CELLPHONE.
AND THEN WHEN THEY LOOKED AT THE PICTURE, COMING UP BEHIND THE WOMAN THAT WAS DANCING, YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE FORM OF A GIRL, ALMOST LIKE SHE WAS IN A WHITE DRESS, AND SHE WAS DANCING RIGHT ALONG WITH HER.
Conder: IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE HER BODY MIGHT BE MOVING.
I THINK THEY'RE DRAWN TO ENERGY, AND THEY'RE CURIOUS, JUST LIKE CHILDREN WOULD BE IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE.
SHE WASN'T HIDING IN SOME CORNER, BEING INTIMIDATED OR FRIGHTENED BY WHAT WAS GOING ON.
SHE WAS RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARTY.
Heaney: YOU CAN'T DENY THAT THERE IS A HUMAN FORM, IT IS A CHILD, AND IT IS ON THE DANCE FLOOR WITH THAT GIRL.
TO ME, THAT'S -- YOU CAN'T ARGUE WITH THAT.
AFTER BEING AT THE ALLEGAN LODGE AND TRYING TO FIND LOGICAL EXPLANATIONS FOR THINGS, THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED THERE AND SO MANY RECORDINGS THAT WE'VE CAPTURED THAT YOU CANNOT EXPLAIN AWAY.
IT HAS REALLY CHANGED MY MIND ON HOW I VIEW THESE PARANORMAL EXPERIENCES.
Conder: SPIRITS WERE PEOPLE, TOO, AND THEY DON'T JUST STOP BEING PEOPLE AND HAVING PERSONALITIES AND FEELINGS JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE NO LONGER IN THEIR PHYSICAL BODY.
I FEEL THAT THE ALLEGAN LODGE WILL ALWAYS BE HAUNTED.
Cadena: I STARTED GETTING PICTURES OF A LITTLE GIRL ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY HOUSE, LOOKING AT ME.
THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, SOMETHING GRABBED ME.
THESE SPIRITS ARE HERE TO STAY.
Cadena: I STARTED GETTING PICTURES OF A LITTLE GIRL ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY HOUSE, LOOKING AT ME.
THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, SOMETHING GRABBED ME.
MY GHOST STORY BEGAN 2 1/2 YEARS AGO IN MY FAMILY ROOM IN CORONA, CALIFORNIA.
I BOUGHT MY HOUSE IN MARCH OF 1995, AND WE GOT THE HOUSE FOR MY KIDS.
WE HAVE A SWIMMING POOL.
IT IS PRETTY MUCH A PARTY HOUSE FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY.
ONE DAY, I WAS IN MY FAMILY ROOM, AND I HEARD NOISES -- KICKING ON THE WALL.
IT SOUNDED LIKE SOMEBODY WAS CLIMBING ON MY ROOF.
I WENT OUT MY GLASS DOOR, LOOKED UP ON THE ROOF, AND THERE WAS NOBODY THERE.
COUPLE DAYS GO BY, AND, AGAIN, KICKING ON THE WALLS, FOOTSTEPS, AND THIS TIME, WHATEVER WAS UP THERE FELL.
SO I BANGED ON THE ROOF.
"GET OFF OF THERE!" "BOOM, BOOM, BOOM" -- THEY STARTED RUNNING, AND THEY RAN ACROSS THE CORRUGATED ROOF ONTO THE ROOF THE HOUSE.
SO, I RAN AROUND THE FRONT, JUMPED ON MY TRUCK, JUMPED ON THE ROOF NOTHING, NOBODY.
MY DOGS ARE BARKING NOW -- THE NEIGHBORS' DOGS ARE BARKING 'CAUSE I'M ON THE ROOF.
SO, WHY DIDN'T THEY BARK WHEN SOMEBODY ELSE WAS ON THE ROOF? AT THIS POINT, I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THERE WAS ANYTHING PARANORMAL HAPPENING IN MY HOUSE.
IT WAS JUST NOISES.
I BOUGHT MY SON A DOG.
HE WAS 7 YEARS OLD.
IT WAS A LITTLE BASSET HOUND.
MY SON WENT TO SCHOOL.
I WENT AND LET THE DOG USE THE RESTROOM OUTSIDE, AND I FORGOT TO BRING HIM IN.
I WENT TO WORK.
MY OLDEST DAUGHTER LATER CALLS ME AND TELLS ME, "DAD, SNOOPY DROWNED.
" I WAS LIKE, "WHAT?" I STARTED PLAYING WITH SOME NEW CAMERAS THAT I GOT.
I SET THEM UP IN MY HOUSE -- GO TO SLEEP.
IN THE MORNING, I'D COME OUT, TAKE THE LITTLE DISK OUT, PUT IT ON MY COMPUTER, AND SEE WHAT I GOT.
I WAS SHOCKED TO FIND A GHOST DOG SITTING ON THE SOFA.
I HAVE A PICTURE OF MY SON SITTING ON THAT SAME SOFA WITH HIS DOG, AND THIS DOG IS NOW ON THE SOFA BY HIMSELF FOUR YEARS LATER.
THIS IS CRAZY.
DOGS -- ANIMALS CAN ACTUALLY COME BACK AS GHOSTS? I CONTINUED TAKING PICTURES OUTSIDE MY HOUSE.
I WAS IN THE BACKYARD WITH MY WIFE.
I HAD A BANDANA ON, SOME DARK SUNGLASSES, MY WIFE WAS STANDING BEHIND ME, AND I HELD THE CAMERA UP AND TOOK A PICTURE OF US.
I NOTICED ONE OF THE LENSES ON MY SUNGLASSES -- THE FLASH TOOK A HUMAN FORM.
IT'S GOT LEGS, ARMS, A BODY, A HEAD.
OVER TO THE RIGHT OF THAT FLASH, THERE'S A FACE.
YOU CAN SEE THE MOUTH, THE NOSE, THE EYES.
THEY TOLD ME, "MAYBE SOMEBODY GOT IN THE VIEW OF THE CAMERA.
" I SAID, "NO, I HELD THE CAMERA UP MYSELF, "SO THERE'S NO WAY YOU COULD SQUEEZE IN TO GET INTO THE PICTURE.
" I WAS GETTING UP FOR WORK ONE MORNING, AND I WENT TO THE BATHROOM.
I OPENED THE DOOR, AND THERE'S A LITTLE GIRL STANDING IN THE BATHROOM, LOOKING AT THE MIRROR.
SHE RAN TOWARDS ME AND DISAPPEARED.
I GOT A CLEAR VIEW OF HER.
I SEEN THE CLOTHES SHE WAS WEARING.
SHE HAD BOWS ON HER SHOES THA MATCHED THE BOW ON HER HEAD.
SHE WAS WEARING A BLACK-AND-RED FLANNEL DRESS.
I MEAN, IT WAS A CLEAR IMAGE, AND I STARTED SLAPPING MYSELF AND PINCHING MYSELF, SAYING "YOU DID SEE THAT! YOU DID SEE THAT!" THEN I KNEW -- "HEY, SOMETHING'S GOING ON IN THIS HOUSE NOW.
"I'M GONNA HAVE TO FIND SOMEBODY TO COME OUT HERE AND CHECK OU AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON IN THIS HOUSE.
" Martinez: WHEN JACOB CONTACTED ME, THAT SAME DAY, WE WENT OUT TO INTERVIEW HIM.
HE WALKED US THROUGH THE HOUSE AND TOLD US WHERE HE HEARD NOISES -- ON THE ROOF, ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
THAT BACK ROOM IS AN ADD-ON.
IT'S THE CORRUGATED CEILING -- YOU CAN'T WALK ON THAT.
EVEN AN ANIMAL WOULD PROBABLY FALL THROUGH.
IT JUST IS IMPOSSIBLE.
THERE WAS ENOUGH THERE FOR US TO INVESTIGATE THE HOUSE.
WE KNEW THAT WE COULDN'T DO I WITH THE FAMILY THERE 'CAUSE WE LIKE TO CONTAIN THE ENVIRONMEN SO THAT THERE'S NOT A LO OF NOISE, OUTSIDE NOISE, THAT CONTAMINATES OUR EVIDENCE.
Cadena: I SAID, "LOOK, YVONNE, "HOW ABOU I TAKE MY FAMILY CAMPING "AND GIVE YOU THE HOUSE FOR THE WEEKEND? "THAT WAY, ANY NOISE THAT YOU GET IS FROM YOU GUYS AND WHATEVER IS IN MY HOUSE.
" Martinez: WE SET UP RECORDERS, AND WE HAD VIDEO CAMERAS, AS WELL.
BUT WHEN WE WENT OVER OUR EVIDENCE, I WAS CAUGHT OFF GUARD.
IT WAS A MALE, SAYING, "MAGGIE," VERY LOUD.
IT JUST CONFIRMED JACOB'S STORY.
THIS LITTLE GIRL WAS IN HIS BATHROOM.
HER NAME'S MAGGIE.
Cadena: I START BUYING EQUIPMENT, PUTTING IT AROUND MY HOUSE TO SEE WHAT ELSE I CAN GET.
I STARTED GETTING PICTURES OF A LITTLE GIRL ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY HOUSE, LOOKING AT ME TAKING HER PICTURE.
I GOT ANOTHER PICTURE OF A LITTLE GHOST GIRL WALKING ACROSS MY FRONT LAWN.
I COULDN'T BELIEVE WHAT I WAS SEEING.
I TOOK A PICTURE, AND THE LITTLE GHOST SHOWED UP.
AS I WAS SEEING ALL THESE SPIRITS, MY OLDEST DAUGHTER -- ONE DAY, SHE TELLS ME, "DAD, CHARLI," WHICH IS MY GRANDDAUGHTER -- SHE'S 5 YEARS OLD -- "SEES YOUR GHOST.
" SHE GOES, "THE OTHER DAY, SHE WAS SITTING THERE, TALKING TO A LITTLE SOMEBODY.
" SO I WENT OVER AND I TOLD HER, "BABY, WHO DO YOU TALK TO?" SHE SAYS, "MY FRIEND.
" I SAY, "DO YOU KNOW WHO SHE IS?" SHE SAYS, "HER NAME IS MAGGIE.
IS SHE MY COUSIN OR SOMETHING?" THIS IS THE SECOND TIME I'VE HEARD "MAGGIE" -- THE EVP IN THE BATHROOM.
NOW I GOT MY 5-YEAR-OLD GRANDDAUGHTER SAYING, "MAGGIE.
" I SAID, "BABY, CAN YOU DRAW THIS LITTLE GIRL?" SHE GOES, "YEAH, GRANDPA.
" THIS IS THE PICTURE OF MAGGIE.
I SEE A BLACK PLAID DRESS, BLACK STOCKINGS.
THERE APPEARS TO BE A DIAMOND ON THE HEADBAND AND ON THE SHOES.
MY GRANDDAUGHTER ACTUALLY SEES A GIRL GHOST, MAGGIE, THAT I SEE.
YVONNE TOLD ME THA WHEN THEY DID THE INVESTIGATION, THAT A LITTLE GIRL GHOST -- SHE WAS ATTACHED TO ME BECAUSE SHE WAS SEEING ME AS A FATHER FIGURE.
SO THAT'S WHY SHE'S AROUND MY HOUSE.
SHE FEELS SAFE WITH ME -- THAT'S WHY SHE MAKES HER PRESENCE KNOWN.
I DIDN'T FEEL THREATENED BY HER NOW.
BUT THEN SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF THAT I'VE SEEN AROUND MY HOUSE -- I WAS MORE CONCERNED NOW.
I'M THINKING, "ARE THEY FRIENDLY LIKE MAGGIE THE GHOST?" I WAS IN THE KITCHEN, DRINKING WATER.
EVERYBODY WAS ASLEEP, AND I SAID, "SPIRITS, I KNOW YOU'RE HERE, "AND I'M OKAY WITH IT.
"YOU CAN MAKE YOUR PRESENCE KNOWN.
"JUST LEAVE MY FAMILY ALONE, "AND YOU CAN STAY AS LONG AS YOU WANT.
LET MY FAMILY SLEEP -- STAY AS LONG AS YOU WANT.
" THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, I GOT THE WEIRDEST FEELING.
SOMETHING GRABBED ME.
IT GAVE ME CHILLS -- NOT ONLY MY ARMS, MY WHOLE BODY FELT NUMB.
I GOT ON THE PHONE RIGHT AWAY.
"YVONNE! YVONNE! SOMETHING GRABBED ME IN THE KITCHEN.
" Martinez: AND I SAID, "WELL, YOU ASKED THEM TO STAY, DIDN'T YOU?" HE GOES, "YEAH.
" I GO, "WELL, THEY LIKED WHAT YOU SAID.
"THEY PROBABLY HUGGED YOU.
THEY'RE LETTING YOU KNOW THAT THEY HEARD YOU.
" Cadena: IF SOMEBODY WERE TO SAY THEY WERE SKEPTICAL ABOUT MY STORY, I'D INVITE THEM TO COME TO MY HOUSE AND LET THEM SEE AND HEAR WHAT I SEE AND HEAR.
WITH ALL THE EVIDENCE THAT I'VE COLLECTED -- THE PHOTOS, THE EVPs -- IT ONLY PROVES TO ME THA THESE SPIRITS ARE HERE TO STAY.
Drahos: ONE NIGHT, I SEE THIS APPARITION THAT'S SHAPED LIKE A MAN, IT WAS TALL.
Parish-Bischoff: AS WE WERE LOOKING AT EACH LITTLE SCREEN, I HAD NOTICED A BLACK MASS IN FRONT OF HER FOOTBOARD.
Drahos: IT WAS THE MOST SURREAL EXPERIENCE I HAVE EVER HAD.
Parish-Bischoff: AS WE WERE LOOKING AT EACH LITTLE SCREEN, I HAD NOTICED A BLACK MASS IN FRONT OF HER FOOTBOARD.
Drahos: IT WAS THE MOST SURREAL EXPERIENCE I HAVE EVER HAD.
MY GHOST STORY BEGAN WHEN I MOVED INTO MISS FANNY'S IN WAPPINGERS FALLS, NEW YORK.
I BOUGHT THE HOUSE ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO.
I'VE ALWAYS LOVED OLD HOUSES.
I COLLECT ANTIQUES.
I LOVE EVERYTHING OLD, SO I WAS SPECIFICALLY LOOKING FOR AN OLD HOUSE.
AND IT WAS BUILT IN 1870, SO I WAS LUCKY TO FIND IT.
I DECIDED TO NAME THE HOUSE "MISS FANNY'S" BECAUSE THE PREVIOUS OWNER'S FIRST NAME WAS FANNY.
AND, ALSO, MY MOM PASSED AWAY 11 YEARS AGO, AND HER NAME WAS FANNY.
SO I THOUGH IT WOULD BRING ME GOOD LUCK.
I REALLY DIDN'T HAVE ANY CLUE THAT THE HOUSE WAS HAUNTED.
YOU KNOW, AND YOU HEAR CREAKS AND NOISES, AND I DIDN'T REALLY PAY MUCH ATTENTION TO IT.
THE FIRST EXPERIENCE I HAD IN THE HOUSE WAS WHEN I WAS GIVING MY CHILDREN A BATH, AND I JUST HEAR THIS MAN'S VOICE.
AND I HEAR THESE DISTINCT, LIKE, "BOOM, BOOM" -- HEAVY FOOTSTEPS COMING UP THE STAIRCASE, AND I'M THINKING IT'S MY FATHER.
SO I RUN OUT TO THE HALL, AND I'M LIKE, "HEY," "I'M UPSTAIRS.
" AND HE DIDN'T ANSWER ME BACK, AND I WAS LIKE, "THAT'S STRANGE," 'CAUSE I'M AT THE TOP OF THE STAIRS AND THERE'S NOBODY THERE.
SO, I LOOK OUT THE WINDOWS, AND THERE'S NO CAR.
I PANICKED, AND I GOT THE KIDS OUT THE TUB AND JUST KIND OF RUNNING AROUND THE HOUSE, AND THERE'S NO ONE THERE.
IF I'M ALONE IN THE HOUSE, ESPECIALLY AT NIGHT, I'VE HEARD FOOTSTEPS UPSTAIRS IN THE ATTIC WHEN I KNOW THERE'S NOBODY THERE.
I GET A LITTLE NERVOUS -- ALMOST LIKE I'M WONDERING, "WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN NEXT?" AND THEN, ONE DAY, I WAS TURNING THE CORNER TO THE STAIRCASE AND I JUST FELT LIKE SOMETHING CAME UP RIGHT BEHIND ME, LIKE, ALMOST YOU CAN FEEL, LIKE, A BREATH ON YOUR NECK.
I JUST SWUNG AROUND, AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOBODY THERE.
AND I'M LIKE, "WHAT?!" AND I WAS LIKE, "OH, OKAY.
THIS IS INTERESTING.
" AND I KIND OF KEPT I IN THE BACK OF MY MIND, BUT THEN I KIND OF FORGO ABOUT IT.
AND THEN, ONE NIGHT, I WAS COMING HOME WITH THE KIDS, AND I'M DRIVING UP TO MY DRIVEWAY.
IT'S DARK AND I QUICKLY PULL UP AND I SEE THIS APPARITION THAT'S SHAPED LIKE A MAN.
HE WAS TALL.
I JUST GOT CHILLS.
I JUST GOT CHILLS, AND I'M THINKING, "WHO IS THIS?" AND THEN BEFORE I COULD EVEN THINK IT, WALKED INTO [CHUCKLES.]
THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, AND I'M THINKING, "WHAT WAS THAT?" IT WAS THE MOST SURREAL EXPERIENCE I HAVE EVER HAD.
FINALLY, I HAD NO CHOICE.
I WANTED TO SEE IF SOMEBODY ELSE COULD EXPERIENCE THESE THINGS, RATHER THAN JUST ME AND MY FAMILY.
SO I BROUGHT DONNA IN TO VALIDATE WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN THE HOUSE.
Parish-Bischoff: SHE WAS VERY RECEPTIVE IN HAVING THE INVESTIGATION.
SHE WAS HOPING TO PERHAPS FIND OUT A LITTLE MORE, IF WE CAN GET, LIKE, A NAME ON AUDIO OR SOMETHING CAPTURED ON VIDEO.
THE FIRST TIME I PULLED UP TO THIS DRIVEWAY, IT WAS CRISP -- IT WAS KIND OF CHILLY OUT.
AND THE WINDOWS KIND OF LOOK LIKE THEY'RE EYES LOOKING DOWN AT YOU.
AND WE WALKED UP ONTO THE PORCH, AND SHE HAD OPENED UP THE DOORS AND WELCOMED US IN.
WE SAT DOWN, AND JULIA WAS SITTING DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF US IN ANOTHER CHAIR, DESCRIBING THINGS THAT HAVE GONE ON IN THE HOUSE.
I IMMEDIATELY BECAME VERY INTERESTED IN HEARING THE STORIES.
AND AS WE'RE SITTING THERE, I HAPPENED TO NOTICE SOMETHING KIND OF SHOOT UP ON THE STAIRS IN LIKE A WHITE DRESS OR A WHITE BLOUSE.
Drahos: SHE JUST TURNED HER HEAD AND LOOKED, AND SHE'S LIKE, "IS THERE SOMEBODY HERE? SOMEBODY JUST WENT UPSTAIRS.
" I SAID, "THERE'S NOBODY HERE.
" I SAID, "WAS IT A MAN OR A WOMAN OR?" AND SHE'S LIKE, "IT WAS A WOMAN.
" AND I QUICKLY RAN OU TO THE HALL TO LOOK.
THAT WAS IT -- SHE WAS GONE.
Parish-Bischoff: WHEN I'M AT A LOCATION AND I SEE SOMETHING WITHIN SUCH A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, IT WAS LIKE, "OH, MY GOD.
THIS IS THE GREATEST THING IN THE WORLD.
" SO, WE TOOK PICTURES OF BASICALLY EVERY CORNER OF THE ROOM.
AND I TOOK A PICTURE OF THE BEAUTIFUL STAIRWAY, WHERE I SAW THAT WOMAN RUN UP THE STAIRS, AND I CAPTURED A BIG GLOW OF, YOU KNOW, A WHITE ORB RIGHT IN THE CORNER OF THE STAIRS, ALMOST AS THOUGH IT WAS MAKING A TURN TO GO ALL THE WAY UPSTAIRS.
WHEN MY CO-INVESTIGATOR HAD TAKEN THE SAME PICTURE -- DIFFERENT CAMERA, DIFFERENT TIME OF EVENING -- SHE HAD THE SAME TYPE OF REFRACTION OF LIGHT, BUT JUST SLIGHTLY HIGHER LIKE IT WAS STANDING IN A DIFFERENT POSITION.
SO, IS THIS WOMAN ON THE STAIRS STUCK THERE? DID SOMETHING HAPPEN TO HER ON THE STAIRS? WE DON'T KNOW, AND THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD LOVE TO FIND OUT.
Drahos: LATER THAT NIGHT, THEY SET UP CAMERAS IN A LO OF THE ROOMS -- MY BEDROOM, ESPECIALLY, THE THIRD FLOOR, THE ATTIC, WHERE WE'VE HAD A LOT OF THINGS GO ON IN THERE -- AND THEY STAYED, YOU KNOW, FOR THE NIGHT.
Parish-Bischoff: WE WANTED TO CONCENTRATE ON JULIA'S BEDROOM BECAUSE SHE ALWAYS FEL THAT THERE WAS A PRESENCE INSIDE OF THAT ROOM.
SO, WHILE I WAS DOWNSTAIRS, AT THE BASE OF THE STAIRS, WE HAD A COMPUTER MONITOR AND IT HAD A DVR SYSTEM SET UP WITH THREE INFRARED CAMERAS.
AS WE WERE LOOKING AT EACH LITTLE SCREEN, I HAD NOTICED, PARTICULARLY, IN FRONT OF JULIA'S FOOTBOARD, WE ALMOST SAW, LIKE, A BLACK MASS -- LIKE THERE WAS SOMETHING MOVING IN FRONT OF HER FOOTBOARD REALLY QUICKLY.
I THOUGH IMMEDIATELY THA THIS MUST BE A MALE PRESENCE BECAUSE IT DIDN'T HAVE A SOFT GLOW TO I LIKE THE WOMAN THAT I SAW BY THE STAIRS.
Drahos: WHEN I LOOKED AT THE VIDEO, YOU COULD SEE IT'S LIKE A SHADOW, AN APPARITION.
AND IT'S JUST SO -- IT'S SO AMAZING THAT THEY ACTUALLY GOT THA ON CAMERA IN MY ROOM, WHERE I SLEEP.
Parish-Bischoff: AS I WAS DISCUSSING WHAT MY FINDINGS WERE WITH A FELLOW INVESTIGATOR, I HAD MY DIGITAL RECORDER WITH ME, NOT KNOWING THAT I WOULD ACTUALLY PICK SOMETHING ELSE UP.
AND YOU HEAR A MAN VERY CLEARLY SAY, "MY HOUSE," IN A REALLY DEEP VOICE.
"MY HOUSE.
" THAT KIND OF MADE THE HAIR ON MY NECK STAND UP BECAUSE IT WAS SO CLEAR.
Drahos: WHEN I FIRST HEARD THAT, I COULDN'T STOP, LIKE, LISTENING TO IT OVER AND OVER.
Parish-Bischoff: I DIDN'T KNOW IF THIS PERSON WAS ANGRY THAT WE WERE THERE OR JUST CONFIRMING, "LOOK, I'M HERE.
" AFTER THAT, WE WERE SITTING AROUND HER LARGE DINING-ROOM TABLE -- ABOUT 3:00 AND, SAY, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, WE HEAR A DOORKNOB OPEN.
WELL, WE JUMP UP BECAUSE WE'RE LIKE, "WE'RE ALL ACCOUNTED FOR, SO NO ONE'S ON THE FRONT PORCH.
WHO'S COMING IN AT THAT TIME OF NIGHT?" SO AT THAT POINT, WHEN WE HEARD THE DOOR, WE HEARD SOMETHING GET DRAGGED FROM THE UPSTAIRS, LIKE DRAGGED OR DROPPED OR -- IT WAS JUST THE WEIRDEST SOUND.
AND THE CHILDREN WERE NOT HOME, HER DAD WAS NOT HOME.
YOU KNOW, SHE MADE SURE THAT THE HOUSE WAS OURS FOR THE NIGHT.
SO, AT THIS POINT, WE GO RUNNING TO THE DOOR.
THE DOOR'S CLOSED.
ALL OF US WENT UP TO THE THIRD FLOOR, AND THE HALLWAY CLOSE IS COMPLETELY OPEN, ALL THE STUFF IN THE CLOSE IS NOW ON THE FLOOR, AND SHE'S GOT TWO PICTURES, AND THEY WERE COMPLETELY CROOKED.
WE WERE LIKE, "WOW.
I GUESS THAT'S WHAT WE HEARD.
MAYBE IT WAS TIRED -- HE JUST WANTED US TO GO HOME.
" WE WERE IN AMAZEMENT, COMPLETELY SHOCKED THAT IT HAD THE CAPABILITY OF DOING PHYSICAL THINGS.
AFTER HEARING ALL THE STORIES AND ACTUALLY EXPERIENCING A LOT OF THEM FIRST-HAND I THINK THE SPIRI IN THAT HOUSE IS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL OWNERS IN THAT HOME.
Drahos: DONNA'S VALIDATION OF IT BEING HAUNTED HAS HELPED.
IT GIVES ME THE CREDIBILITY THA THERE REALLY IS ACTUAL EVIDENCE.
Parish-Bischoff: I DO BELIEVE THAT THE AFTERLIFE DOES EXIST, AND, BOY, DOES IT EVER EXIS IN MISS FANNY'S HOME.
I FELT THAT WHAT YOU'RE DOING PROBABLY ISN'T SAFE, AND YOU PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE THERE.
Conder: IT WAS THE SENSE THAT THERE WAS SOMEONE STANDING RIGHT BEHIND ME AND FOLLOWING ME.
Heaney: THERE IS A HUMAN FORM, AND IT IS ON THE DANCE FLOOR WITH THAT GIRL.
Girodengo: IT JUST WANTED TO TAKE EVERY BIT OF MY LIFE FORCE AND JUST CONSUME IT.
Cadena: I GOT A PICTURE OF A LITTLE GHOST GIRL WALKING ACROSS MY FRONT LAWN.
SHE RAN TOWARDS ME AND DISAPPEARED.
Drahos: I SEE THIS APPARITION THAT'S SHAPED LIKE A MAN.
HE WAS TALL.
I JUST GOT CHILLS, AND I'M THINKING, "WHO IS THIS?" Bizjak: I SAW A SHADOW-SHAPED PERSON.
IT'S REALLY CREEPY.
MY GHOST STORY BEGAN WHEN I STARTED A PARANORMAL INVESTIGATION TOUR COMPANY IN SALEM, MASSACHUSETTS.
Chouinard: KIM AND I WERE WORKING FOR A MUSEUM IN SALEM, AND WE WERE DOING TOURS TOGETHER.
AND, ONE DAY, WE GOT TO TALKING, AND WE DECIDED THAT WE BOTH HAD THE SAME PASSION.
Bizjak: PEOPLE IN TOWN WOULD COME IN, AND THEY'D GO ON THESE KIND OF CHEESY TOURS, AND THEY WOULD ASK US, LIKE, "DOESN'T ANYONE IN TOWN DO A REAL INVESTIGATION LIKE YOU SEE ON TV?" THEY ALL KIND OF WAN THAT PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITHOUT HAVING TO JOIN A PARANORMAL TEAM.
Chouinard: KIM AND I TEACH PEOPLE HOW TO USE THE EQUIPMENT, AND THEN WE TAKE THEM OU ON A REAL GHOST HUN THROUGHOUT THE TOWN.
Bizjak: IT'S BEEN PRETTY SUCCESSFUL SO FAR.
TEN FEDERAL IS A BUILDING IN DOWNTOWN SALEM THAT USED TO BE THE SITE OF THE DUNGEONS BACK IN 1692.
THAT'S WHERE YOU WOULD BE HELD AWAITING YOUR TRIAL.
IT HAS A REALLY DARK HISTORY.
FOUR PEOPLE ACTUALLY DIED IN PRISON DOWN THERE.
WHEN THEY DISCOVERED THE DUNGEONS BACK IN THE '50s, THERE WASN' A HISTORICAL SOCIETY, SO THEY JUST TORE THE WHOLE THING APART.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS GONE, AND THEY JUST BUIL OVER TOP OF IT.
WE ALWAYS ASK EVERYBODY WHO TAKES OUR TOUR TO SEND US THEIR EVIDENCE.
I SEE PICTURES AND AUDIO AND THINGS THAT ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE SENDING IN.
ONE TIME, SOMEBODY SENT IN A PHOTO FROM THE TOUR AT THE WITCH DUNGEONS.
AND IT WAS A TOURIST STANDING THERE IN FRONT OF THE DUNGEONS, AND THERE WAS AN APPARITION BEHIND THEM.
I COULDN'T PLACE ANYBODY IN THE TOUR AS THE PERSON IN THE PHOTO.
Chouinard: WE START LOOKING A THE PHOTO TO TRY AND DEBUNK IT, AND WE NOTICE THA THE GENTLEMAN IN THE PICTURE IS WEARING A LONG, WHITE SHIR AND LONG PANTS.
IT WAS THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER, AND EVERYBODY WAS WEARING SHORTS AND SHORT SLEEVES.
IT'S JUST A REALLY OMINOUS PICTURE.
I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE THE PERSON'S JUST BEING SUCKED AWAY.
IT'S REALLY CREEPY.
Bizjak: GALLOWS HILL PARK IS WHERE, SUPPOSEDLY, THE ACCUSED WITCHES WERE HANGED DURING 1692.
SO, 19 PEOPLE WERE HANGED UP IN THAT AREA.
THEY WERE JUST THROWN IN A BIG MASS GRAVE, AND NOBODY KNOWS WHERE THAT IS.
IT'S BEEN KIND OF OUR GOAL TO TRY TO FIND IT.
THE FEELING YOU GE AT GALLOWS HILL DURING THE DAY IS KIND OF A NICE, PEACEFUL PLACE.
BUT AS SOON AS IT GETS DARK, IT FEELS CREEPY, AND YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE IN FRONT OF YOU.
THERE'S NO LIGHTS.
YOU KIND OF FEEL LIKE YOU WANT TO GET BACK IN YOUR CAR AND GO HOME.
I WAS TAKING PICTURES BEFORE WE WENT UP INTO THE WOODS.
I TAKE THE PICTURE, AND, IN THE RIGHT-HAND CORNER, THERE'S LIKE A GLOWING, PURPLE, ROUND MIST.
AND I CLICK ANOTHER SHOT, AND IT GOT BIGGER.
AND ANOTHER SHOT, AND IT GOT BIGGER.
AND ANOTHER SHOT, AND IT ALMOS LOOKED PERSON-SHAPED.
AND I TOOK ANOTHER SHOT, AND IT WENT AWAY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
MAYBE IT WAS A SPIRIT.
MAYBE IT WAS SOME SOR OF BUILD-UP OF ENERGY.
Chouinard: THAT WAS VERY FREAKY.
Bizjak: AT A PLAYGROUND NEAR GALLOWS HILL, WE HAD A BACHELORETTE PARTY, WHICH IS KIND OF A STRANGE THING, BUT THAT'S WHA THEY WANTED TO DO.
WE WERE SHOWING THEM HOW TO DO AN EVP SESSION, AND YOU HEAR, LIKE, THIS SMALL, LITTLE SQUEAK.
AND THERE WAS NO WIND AT ALL.
IT SOUNDED LIKE ONE OF THE SWINGS MOVED.
THEY WERE SCREAMING AND FREAKING OU THAT THE SWING MOVED ALL BY ITSELF.
Chouinard: WENT OVER TO THE SWING SET, AND I PUSHED ONE OF THE SWINGS.
IT WENT JUST LIKE A REGULAR SWING.
I WENT OVER AND PUSHED THE OTHER SWING, AND IT WAS VERY HEAVY.
I MEAN, I THOUGHT MY SON WAS IN IT -- THE WAY IT FELT.
Bizjak: WE'RE BOTH MOMS.
WE KNOW WHAT IT FEELS LIKE WHEN YOU'RE PUSHING YOUR SON ON A SWING.
Chouinard: SO, I TURN AROUND AND SAID TO THEM, "THE SWING WAS INCREDIBLY HEAVY.
" Bizjak: I'M STARTING TO GET REALLY SCARED.
Chouinard: I WENT TO GO PUSH I AGAIN, AND IT WENT FLYING.
Bizjak: I FELT THAT REAL ADRENALINE-HOT FEELING -- THAT WHAT YOU'RE DOING PROBABLY ISN'T SAFE, AND YOU PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE THERE.
IT WAS REALLY FREAKY.
WE BROUGHT A PRIVATE GROUP UP TO GALLOWS HILL.
THIS GUY THAT WAS ON THE TOUR SAID HE WAS A PSYCHIC.
HIS EYES WOULD DART AROUND AND HE WAS LOOKING IN THE WOODS OVER HERE AND LOOKING IN THE WOODS OVER HERE, AND HE WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, "THERE'S SOMEONE OVER THERE! THERE'S SOMEONE THIS WAY! WE'RE GONNA GO THIS WAY.
" IT WAS FREAKING US OU 'CAUSE THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE ON OUT TOUR.
HE RAN UP INTO THE WOODS BY HIMSELF.
Chouinard: WE WERE ALL CALLING FOR HIM, TRYING TO SEE WHERE HE WAS.
Bizjak: IN THE WOODS, HE COULD SAY THAT HE COULD SEE ORBS, AND I SEE AN ORB, LIKE, WITH MY OWN EYES, AND I TOOK A PICTURE.
AND I WAS SHOWING CORY -- YOU KNOW, I'M LIKE, "LOOK AT THIS.
I FOUND AN ORB.
HE'S NOT MAKING THIS UP.
WE GOT TO GO GET HIM.
" CORY AND I LOCKED ARMS WITH SOME OF THE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE GROUP, AND WE HEADED UP THE PATHWAY.
YOU COULD HEAR FOOTSTEPS, LEAVES RUSTLING, TWIGS BREAKING.
CORY KEPT SAYING, "I FEEL LIKE SOMEONE'S BEHIND US.
" Chouinard: I MEAN, I WAS COMPLETELY ANTICIPATING TURNING AROUND AND SEEING SOMEBODY FOLLOWING MY FOOTSTEPS.
WE FINALLY FOUND HIM.
HE WAS JUST SITTING CROSS-LEGGED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TREES AND JUST STARTED BLABBERING ABOUT HOW HE SAW A GUY OUR HEARTS ARE RACING A LITTLE BI BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THIS KID IS FREAKING OUT ON OUR TOUR WHEN WE JUST GOT STARTED.
WE GOT UP TO THIS AREA WHERE THERE'S A WATER TOWER AND A LOT OF BIG ROCKS.
ONE OF THE GIRLS ON THE TOUR WAS LIKE, "I WANT TO TAKE A PICTURE OF YOU AND KIM.
" Bizjak: CORY AND I SAT ON A ROCK.
Chouinard: SHE TOOK A PICTURE OF US.
A COUPLE DAYS LATER WHEN WE WERE REVIEWING THE EVIDENCE, THERE WAS ACTUALLY AN APPARITION STANDING BEHIND US.
Bizjak: HE HAD CRAZY HAIR, A SKINNY TIE WITH A COLLAR.
Chouinard: HIS FACE COMPLETELY LOOKED LIKE IT WAS BEING DRAGGED.
I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN WHO WAS FOLLOWING US, AND THAT DEFINITELY SCARED ME.
Bizjak: THE FACT THAT CORY WAS SAYING, THE ENTIRE TIME, THAT SHE FEL LIKE SOMEONE WAS BEHIND US AND WE CAUGHT A PICTURE OF WHAT LOOKS LIKE A GUY BEHIND US REALLY FREAKED US OUT.
Chouinard: THIS EXPERIENCE HAS CHANGED ME BECAUSE IT MAKES ME A LITTLE BI MORE AFRAID OF THE DARK.
I HAVE TO SLEEP WITH SOME KIND OF LIGHT ON NOW.
Bizjak: SALEM HAS A REALLY DARK HISTORY.
PEOPLE WANT TO HEAR ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN 1692.
THESE PEOPLE ARE STILL THERE, STILL TRYING TO SAY WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM AND HAVE SOMEONE LISTEN.
Woman: WHAT WAS THAT? Girodengo: THE NEXT THING WE KNOW, JUST HER WHOLE CAMERA JUST WENT BLANK.
I FELT THIS DARK ENERGY THAT WANTED TO TAKE EVERY BIT OF MY LIFE FORCE AND JUST CONSUME IT.
I HAVE NEVER BEEN MORE SCARED IN MY LIFE.
Girodengo: I FELT THIS DARK ENERGY THAT WANTED TO TAKE EVERY BIT OF MY LIFE FORCE AND JUST CONSUME IT.
I HAVE NEVER BEEN MORE SCARED IN MY LIFE.
MY GHOST STORY BEGAN WHEN I VISITED A HAUNTED DANCE STUDIO IN SONOMA, CALIFORNIA.
I WAS TAKING A BELLY-DANCE CLASS WITH A GIRLFRIEND, WHO WAS TEACHING A CLASS THERE.
AND AFTER ABOUT THE THIRD WEEK, SHE ASKED ME TO STAY AFTER WITH HER TO LOCK UP.
AND I ASKED HER WHY, AND SHE SAID, "'CAUSE SOMETHING PRETTY HEAVY IS GOING ON HERE.
" THERE WOULD BE NO ONE ELSE IN THE BUILDING, AND WE WOULD HEAR SOMEBODY STOMPING UP AND DOWN THE STAIRS -- LIKE, IT WAS JUST POUNDING.
AND WE'D GO OUT THERE, AND THERE WOULDN'T BE ANYONE THERE.
I'M AN INVESTIGATIVE SORT OF PERSON, SO I LIKE TO KIND OF DIG UNTIL I FIND THE SOURCE OF THINGS.
AND SO WE TALKED TO THE OWNER, AND WE BROUGHT IN THIS INVESTIGATION GROUP.
Bramlette: CINNAMON BROUGHT IT UP.
THE HAUNTED DANCE STUDIO -- IT WAS AN INTERESTING PLACE, AND THEY'D HAD EXPERIENCES THERE.
SO IT SOUNDED LIKE A GOOD PLACE FOR US TO DO AN INVESTIGATION.
Girodengo: THE HISTORY OF THE BUILDING IS THAT, IN THE '70s -- THAT IT HAD BEEN AN EVANGELICAL CHURCH FOR ABOUT 25 YEARS.
THEN IT HAD BEEN TURNED INTO A DANCE STUDIO.
AS THE INVESTIGATIVE GROUP WENT INTO THE BUILDING, I REMEMBER JUST BEING HI WITH THIS JUST REALLY HEAVY, STICKY, CREEPY ENERGY.
Bramlette: ON THE SURFACE, IT LOOKS ALL NEW AND REMODELED AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT YOU JUST KIND OF GO A WEIRD, EERIE VIBE ABOUT IT.
Girodengo: I JUST FEL SOMETHING WAS OFF.
I STARTED REALLY GETTING AN IDEA THAT SOMETHING HORRIBLE HAD HAPPENED.
WE ENDED UP GOING INTO THE SMALL DANCE STUDIO FIRST.
WE SET UP SEVERAL CAMERAS IN THERE.
WE ALSO HAD AN E.
M.
F.
METER, AND WE HAD OUR DIGITAL RECORDERS.
PART OF MY ROLE THERE WAS TO BE A SENSITIVE AND TO BE AN INTUITIVE, TO JUST SEE IF I CAN CONNEC TO ANY ENERGIES THAT MIGHT BE THERE.
I, ESSENTIALLY, CAN SENSE A LOT OF THINGS THAT OTHER PEOPLE MAYBE JUST TAKE FOR GRANTED OR DON'T EVEN OBSERVE.
SO, I KIND OF WENT INTO A LIGHT TRANCE AND STARTED TO TUNE INTO THIS ENERGY OF THE BUILDING.
I STARTED SEEING A VISION OF A MALE.
HE LOOKED KIND OF LIKE A FARMER, AND HE LOOKED A LITTLE HAGGARD.
AND THEN I REMEMBER SEEING THIS FEMALE JUST STANDING BEHIND HIM.
Bramlette: CINNAMON HAD A VERY HEAVY MEDIUMSHIP EPISODE, WHERE SHE WAS SO MUCH IN TRANCE.
SHE WAS JUST BASICALLY SPEAKING THE WORDS OF THESE SPIRITS THAT SHE WAS CONTACTING.
Girodengo: AND SO I JUS STARTED ASKING, "WHAT IS THIS? WHO ARE YOU?" AND THEN WHAT STARTED TO UNFOLD WAS, I JUST SAW -- THE ONLY THING I CAN DESCRIBE IT AS -- KIND OF LIKE A SCENE, LIKE IN A MOVIE, WHERE I SAW THIS YOUNG WOMAN GIVING BIRTH, AND HIM JUST TAKING THE BABY AND TAKING IT DOWN TO THE ROOT CELLAR AND JUST MURDERING THIS BABY.
THE SADNESS, THE TERROR, AND THE ANGER WAS JUST LINGERING.
IT WAS VERY, VERY INTENSE.
LATER ON, AS WE WERE KIND OF WRAPPING IT UP, WE FELT THIS BEING ESCALATING AND GETTING ANGRIER AND ANGRIER.
IT WAS ALMOST LIKE JUST THIS CHAOS, THIS KIND OF WHIRLWIND OF ENERGY.
THE CAMERA'S ACTUALLY POINTING TOWARD THE GLASS DOOR AND THAT'S WHEN WE GOT THE ORB AND IT WAS RIGHT BEHIND ME.
AND YOU CAN WATCH THE ORB JUST GO ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE SCREEN, AND THEN IT'S ALMOST LIKE -- IT JUST DISSIPATES RIGHT DOWN INTO THE GROUND.
Bramlette: AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE I COMING BACK UP FROM THE FLOOR AS SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
IT'S NO LONGER AN ORB.
IT LOOKS MORE LIKE A SPRI OR SOMETHING.
Girodengo: I FELT THAT THE ORB WAS ACTUALLY THE YOUNG GIRL -- HIS DAUGHTER.
I FELT THAT SHE WAS TRYING TO MAKE HER PRESENCE KNOWN.
SO, THE NEXT ROOM THAT WE DECIDED TO GO TO WAS THE ROOM WHICH WAS RIGH BEHIND THE INITIAL DANCE STUDIO.
I JUST REALLY FEL THAT THERE WAS THIS DARK ENERGY THAT WAS WAITING TO JUST GRAB WHATEVER IT COULD.
LIKE, IT JUST WANTED TO TAKE EVERY BIT OF MY LIFE FORCE AND JUST CONSUME IT.
I NOTICED THAT I COULD SEE ALMOST A SILHOUETTE OF SOMEONE, AND THEN IT EXPANDED OU TO WHERE IT WAS JUST LIKE A WALL OF JUST DARKNESS.
ONE OF THE GROUP MEMBERS WAS FILMING IT.
AND THE NEXT THING WE KNOW, JUST HER WHOLE CAMERA JUST WENT BLANK.
AND IT JUST MOVED THROUGH THE ROOM, KIND OF HESITATED RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROOM, AND THEN IT JUST MOVED ON.
I REMEMBER JUST FEELING THIS SENSATION OF -- I SEE FEAR AND JUST HATRED.
THE SPIRIT IN THAT ROOM WAS THE FATHER.
I COULD FEEL HIS ANGER GETTING MORE AND MORE INTENSE AND MORE AGGRESSIVE TOWARD ME, AND I KNOW THAT HE JUS WANTED ME TO SHUT THE HELL UP.
WE'D ASKED, "WHAT DO YOU WANT?" AND THAT'S WHEN WE GOT THE EVP.
"BE GONE" -- THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTED.
HE WANTED ME TO JUST GO AWAY.
I WAS PRETTY SCARED.
LATER THAT NIGHT, WE WERE WALKING DOWN THE HALLWAY, AND I REMEMBER JUST FEELING LIKE SOMETHING WAS TRYING TO GET MY ATTENTION.
AND I LOOK, AND I SEE THERE'S A DOOR.
AND FOR SOME REASON, I HAD NEVER NOTICED THIS DOOR BEFORE AND YET AGAIN, I WAS STARTING TO FEEL THAT REALLY HEAVY, DARK ENERGY.
AND AS I WAS STANDING AT THE TOP OF THE STEPS, SOMETHING JUST CAME BEHIND ME, AND I JUST FELT SOMETHING HIT ME IN BETWEEN MY SHOULDER BLADES.
AND I JUST -- "BAM" -- WAS PUSHED DOWN THE STAIRS.
IT JUST COMPLETELY KNOCKED ME RIGHT OUT OF MY BODY.
IMMEDIATELY, I FELT SICK.
ALL THIS HATRED, ALL THIS ANGER, ALL THIS, JUST, DARKNESS HAD JUST BEEN SLAMMED RIGHT THROUGH MY BODY.
SO I JUST RAN INTO THE BATHROOM, JUST VOMITING.
THAT IS WHEN I REMEMBER SAM COMING TO MAKE SURE THAT I WAS OKAY.
Bramlette: AFTER CINNAMON GOT PUSHED DOWN THE STAIRS, SHE LOOKED DEATHLY PALE, ALL SHOOKEN UP, WHITE LIKE SHE'D SEEN A GHOST.
Girodengo: I HAVE NEVER BEEN MORE SCARED IN MY LIFE.
I JUST WANTED OUT OF THERE.
I KNEW I'D HAD ENOUGH.
I'VE PUSHED MYSELF TO THE LIMIT, AND WE DECIDED TO LEAVE.
I FEEL THAT THE SPIRI WAS REALLY CLEARLY TRYING TO SEND A MESSAGE TO ME THAT I NEEDED TO GET OU AND THAT MY MESSING WITH THINGS WAS JUST NOT WELCOMED.
IT VALIDATED WHAT I KNEW WAS TRUE ABOUT THE AFTERLIFE, THAT THERE ARE GHOSTS OR SPIRITS THAT WALK AMONG US.
I HAVE NOT BEEN BACK TO THE DANCE STUDIO, AND I HAVE NO INTENTION OF GOING BACK TO THE DANCE STUDIO.
Heaney: WE ALWAYS SEEMED TO BE SURROUNDED BY SPIRIT CHILDREN.
[ CHILDREN LAUGHING .]
YOU GET THAT CREEPY FEELING AS SOON AS YOU WALK IN.
THERE IS A HUMAN FORM, IT IS A CHILD, AND IT IS ON THE DANCE FLOOR WITH THAT GIRL.
Heaney: WE ALWAYS SEEMED TO BE SURROUNDED BY SPIRIT CHILDREN.
[ CHILDREN LAUGHING .]
THERE IS A HUMAN FORM, IT IS A CHILD, AND IT IS ON THE DANCE FLOOR WITH THAT GIRL.
Conder: MY GHOST STORY BEGAN THE FIRST TIME I WEN TO THE ALLEGAN LODGE IN ALLEGAN, MICHIGAN.
I'VE ALWAYS REALLY BEEN INTERESTED IN THE EXISTENCE OF SPIRITS AND GHOSTS.
ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO, I ACTUALLY STARTED FORMALLY INVESTIGATING.
I'VE BEEN WORKING THOSE WHOLE 20 YEARS ON DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, RESEARCHING, AND INTERVIEWING AND COMPILING EVIDENCE.
Heaney: I MET KATHY WHEN I HAD GONE IN FOR A MASSAGE AT A LOCAL SPA.
WE HAD STARTED TALKING ABOUT PARANORMAL THINGS, AND KATHY AND I HIT IT OFF IMMEDIATELY.
Conder: WHEN I FIRST CAME TO TOWN, I KEPT HEARING STORIES ABOUT THE ALLEGAN LODGE, THAT EVERYBODY TALKED ABOU HOW HAUNTED IT WAS.
Heaney: THE ALLEGAN LODGE BEGAN AS A HOSPITAL IN THE EARLY 1900s, AND IT WAS VERY MUCH A COMMUNITY-RUN HOSPITAL.
Conder: DR.
JOHN ROBINSON BUIL IT AND NAMED IT FOR HIS SON.
Heaney: THERE BEGAN TO BE LITTLE WHISPERS WHEN THE NEW DOCTOR CAME IN, AND THERE WERE REPORTS OF STRANGE CARS COMING IN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, DROPPING OFF THINGS.
Conder: PEOPLE WERE OFF-LOADED FROM THE CAR AND TAKEN INTO THE BUILDING -- WHICH, OBVIOUSLY, ISN'T NORMAL HOSPITAL HOURS -- AND THE CARS WERE FROM ILLINOIS.
THEY WEREN'T FROM IN MICHIGAN.
Heaney: THERE WAS WHISPERS OF RUNNING MOONSHINE THROUGH DURING PROHIBITION.
IT WAS TALKED ABOUT THAT THERE MIGHT BE A MOB CONNECTION, ESPECIALLY WITH THE CHICAGO TIES, AND AL CAPONE HAD PROPERTY IN THE ALLEGAN AREA.
Conder: I CONTACTED THE ELKS, WHO HAD THEIR LODGE THERE IN THE BUILDING, TO SEE IF IT REALLY WAS HAUNTED.
I KNEW THE CHANCES WERE THAT THE BUILDING VERY WELL COULD BE PARANORMALLY ACTIVE BECAUSE OLD HOSPITALS, OLD MASONIC OR ELKS LODGES, TEND TO BE PARANORMALLY ACTIVE.
I BEGAN TO TALK TO THE PEOPLE THAT WORK THERE.
THEY ALL TOLD DIFFERENT STORIES, BUT A LOT OF THEM WENT BACK TO HEARING CHILDREN RUNNING AND PLAYING UPSTAIRS AND CHILDREN RUNNING UP AND DOWN THE STAIRS.
[ CHILDREN LAUGHING .]
THE FIRST TIME I WALKED INTO THE LODGE, IT WAS LIKE PASSING THROUGH -- ALMOST THROUGH AN ELECTRICAL FIELD.
VERY STATICALLY CHARGED -- THE HAIR WENT UP ON MY ARMS AND THE BACK OF MY NECK.
Heaney: YOU GET THAT CREEPY FEELING AS SOON AS YOU WALK IN.
YOU DIDN'T FEEL ALONE.
WHEN YOU WALK DOWN THE STAIRS TO THE BASEMENT -- THE STAIRS ARE WOODEN, AND THERE'S A MUSTY SMELL THAT COMES IN.
IT'S A REAL OLD BUILDING.
AND THAT CREEPY FEELING -- YOU KIND OF FEEL LIKE THE WALLS ARE CLOSING IN ON YOU A LITTLE DOWN THERE.
Conder: THE BASEMEN DEFINITELY HAS THE CLOSES TO WHAT I WOULD CALL A NEGATIVE FEEL TO IT.
IT WAS THE SENSE OF ALWAYS FEELING THAT THERE WAS SOMEONE STANDING RIGHT BEHIND ME AND FOLLOWING ME.
[ INDISTINCT WHISPERING .]
I HAVE BEEN DOWN IN THA BASEMENT MANY TIMES BY MYSELF, BUT THERE WERE A FEW TIMES WHERE I REALLY WENT UP THE STAIRS PRETTY FAST TO GET OUT OF THERE.
Heaney: ONE NIGH WHEN WE WERE IN THE BASEMENT, WE WERE TALKING, AND I HAD MENTIONED KATHY'S NAME.
AND THEN, KIND OF WORKING ITS WAY INTO OUR CONVERSATION, THERE WAS ANOTHER VOICE THAT SAID, "SHE'S BEEN HERE ALL WEEK.
" AND IT WASN'T A WHISPER, IT WASN'T ONE OF US, BUT IT WAS QUITE OBVIOUS THA SOMEBODY WAS PAYING ATTENTION.
Conder: THIS SPIRIT IS ACTUALLY AWARE THAT I'VE BEEN HERE.
I GUESS MAYBE IT IS GOOD TO TREAT THEM WITH -- YOU KNOW, WITH RESPEC BECAUSE FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY'RE THERE, IT'S THEIR SPACE.
IT'S NOT MINE.
I HAD A GROUP GOING THROUGH THE LODGE.
WE GIVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE, AT THE END, TO KIND OF WANDER THROUGH THE BUILDING THEMSELVES.
AND THERE WAS A YOUNG WOMAN THAT WENT DOWN INTO THE BASEMEN AFTER EVERYONE HAD LEFT.
SHE STARTED TO WALK UP TOWARD THE STAIRS AND FELT THAT THERE WAS SOMEONE BEHIND HER AND TURNED AROUND AND SNAPPED A PICTURE.
THERE WAS A VERY CLEAR ORB BEHIND HER, AND IT WAS RIGHT WHERE SHE FEL THERE WAS SOMEONE.
IT WAS JUST ANOTHER PIECE OF EVIDENCE THAT THE LODGE IS HAUNTED.
Heaney: MANY OF OUR INVESTIGATIONS AT THE LODGE HAVE INVOLVED ENCOUNTERS WITH SPIRIT CHILDREN.
WE ALWAYS SEEM TO BE SURROUNDED BY THEM.
NOT QUITE SURE WHY THERE ARE SO MANY SPIRIT CHILDREN AT THE LODGE -- MAYBE BECAUSE THEY WERE THERE WHEN IT WAS A HOSPITAL OR THEIR PARENTS WORKED THERE OR JUST SPENT A LOT OF TIME THERE WHEN IT WAS AN ELKS LODGE.
Conder: I DON'T KNOW IF THA MEANS THAT THERE ARE CHILDREN THAT SPECIFICALLY WAN TO HANG OUT IN THE ATTIC.
BUT I'VE ALWAYS FOUND THAT OUR K2 METERS, A LOT OF SCIENTIFIC EQUIPMEN THAT WE USE REALLY REACTS UP THERE.
MY TEAM MEMBER CINDY -- THIS ONE NIGHT, SHE POINTED UP THE STAIRS AND TOOK A PICTURE.
UPON REVIEWING THE PHOTOGRAPHS LATER, SHE SENT THIS ONE TO ME, AND WE WERE BOTH JUST AMAZED.
IT WAS THE LIKENESS OF A COUPLE OF LITTLE BOYS.
Heaney: HERE'S A COUPLE OF INQUISITIVE LITTLE GUYS THAT ARE PEERING DOWN, WONDERING WHAT EVERYBODY'S DOING THERE.
Conder: IT REALLY CONFIRMED WHAT I HAD SUSPECTED ALL ALONG, THAT THERE WERE CHILDREN UP THERE, AND THAT WE REALLY LUCKED OU IN GETTING A PICTURE OF THEM.
Heaney: ONE OF THE BES PIECES OF EVIDENCE OF SPIRIT CHILDREN AT THE LODGE WAS CAPTURED DURING AN EVEN THAT WAS HOSTED THERE.
THERE WAS A DEEJAY AND A DANCE GOING ON DOWNSTAIRS.
THERE WAS A YOUNG WOMAN DANCING ON THE DANCE FLOOR, AND A FRIEND OF HERS TOOK A PHOTOGRAPH WITH HER CELLPHONE.
AND THEN WHEN THEY LOOKED AT THE PICTURE, COMING UP BEHIND THE WOMAN THAT WAS DANCING, YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE FORM OF A GIRL, ALMOST LIKE SHE WAS IN A WHITE DRESS, AND SHE WAS DANCING RIGHT ALONG WITH HER.
Conder: IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE HER BODY MIGHT BE MOVING.
I THINK THEY'RE DRAWN TO ENERGY, AND THEY'RE CURIOUS, JUST LIKE CHILDREN WOULD BE IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE.
SHE WASN'T HIDING IN SOME CORNER, BEING INTIMIDATED OR FRIGHTENED BY WHAT WAS GOING ON.
SHE WAS RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARTY.
Heaney: YOU CAN'T DENY THAT THERE IS A HUMAN FORM, IT IS A CHILD, AND IT IS ON THE DANCE FLOOR WITH THAT GIRL.
TO ME, THAT'S -- YOU CAN'T ARGUE WITH THAT.
AFTER BEING AT THE ALLEGAN LODGE AND TRYING TO FIND LOGICAL EXPLANATIONS FOR THINGS, THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED THERE AND SO MANY RECORDINGS THAT WE'VE CAPTURED THAT YOU CANNOT EXPLAIN AWAY.
IT HAS REALLY CHANGED MY MIND ON HOW I VIEW THESE PARANORMAL EXPERIENCES.
Conder: SPIRITS WERE PEOPLE, TOO, AND THEY DON'T JUST STOP BEING PEOPLE AND HAVING PERSONALITIES AND FEELINGS JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE NO LONGER IN THEIR PHYSICAL BODY.
I FEEL THAT THE ALLEGAN LODGE WILL ALWAYS BE HAUNTED.
Cadena: I STARTED GETTING PICTURES OF A LITTLE GIRL ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY HOUSE, LOOKING AT ME.
THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, SOMETHING GRABBED ME.
THESE SPIRITS ARE HERE TO STAY.
Cadena: I STARTED GETTING PICTURES OF A LITTLE GIRL ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY HOUSE, LOOKING AT ME.
THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, SOMETHING GRABBED ME.
MY GHOST STORY BEGAN 2 1/2 YEARS AGO IN MY FAMILY ROOM IN CORONA, CALIFORNIA.
I BOUGHT MY HOUSE IN MARCH OF 1995, AND WE GOT THE HOUSE FOR MY KIDS.
WE HAVE A SWIMMING POOL.
IT IS PRETTY MUCH A PARTY HOUSE FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY.
ONE DAY, I WAS IN MY FAMILY ROOM, AND I HEARD NOISES -- KICKING ON THE WALL.
IT SOUNDED LIKE SOMEBODY WAS CLIMBING ON MY ROOF.
I WENT OUT MY GLASS DOOR, LOOKED UP ON THE ROOF, AND THERE WAS NOBODY THERE.
COUPLE DAYS GO BY, AND, AGAIN, KICKING ON THE WALLS, FOOTSTEPS, AND THIS TIME, WHATEVER WAS UP THERE FELL.
SO I BANGED ON THE ROOF.
"GET OFF OF THERE!" "BOOM, BOOM, BOOM" -- THEY STARTED RUNNING, AND THEY RAN ACROSS THE CORRUGATED ROOF ONTO THE ROOF THE HOUSE.
SO, I RAN AROUND THE FRONT, JUMPED ON MY TRUCK, JUMPED ON THE ROOF NOTHING, NOBODY.
MY DOGS ARE BARKING NOW -- THE NEIGHBORS' DOGS ARE BARKING 'CAUSE I'M ON THE ROOF.
SO, WHY DIDN'T THEY BARK WHEN SOMEBODY ELSE WAS ON THE ROOF? AT THIS POINT, I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THERE WAS ANYTHING PARANORMAL HAPPENING IN MY HOUSE.
IT WAS JUST NOISES.
I BOUGHT MY SON A DOG.
HE WAS 7 YEARS OLD.
IT WAS A LITTLE BASSET HOUND.
MY SON WENT TO SCHOOL.
I WENT AND LET THE DOG USE THE RESTROOM OUTSIDE, AND I FORGOT TO BRING HIM IN.
I WENT TO WORK.
MY OLDEST DAUGHTER LATER CALLS ME AND TELLS ME, "DAD, SNOOPY DROWNED.
" I WAS LIKE, "WHAT?" I STARTED PLAYING WITH SOME NEW CAMERAS THAT I GOT.
I SET THEM UP IN MY HOUSE -- GO TO SLEEP.
IN THE MORNING, I'D COME OUT, TAKE THE LITTLE DISK OUT, PUT IT ON MY COMPUTER, AND SEE WHAT I GOT.
I WAS SHOCKED TO FIND A GHOST DOG SITTING ON THE SOFA.
I HAVE A PICTURE OF MY SON SITTING ON THAT SAME SOFA WITH HIS DOG, AND THIS DOG IS NOW ON THE SOFA BY HIMSELF FOUR YEARS LATER.
THIS IS CRAZY.
DOGS -- ANIMALS CAN ACTUALLY COME BACK AS GHOSTS? I CONTINUED TAKING PICTURES OUTSIDE MY HOUSE.
I WAS IN THE BACKYARD WITH MY WIFE.
I HAD A BANDANA ON, SOME DARK SUNGLASSES, MY WIFE WAS STANDING BEHIND ME, AND I HELD THE CAMERA UP AND TOOK A PICTURE OF US.
I NOTICED ONE OF THE LENSES ON MY SUNGLASSES -- THE FLASH TOOK A HUMAN FORM.
IT'S GOT LEGS, ARMS, A BODY, A HEAD.
OVER TO THE RIGHT OF THAT FLASH, THERE'S A FACE.
YOU CAN SEE THE MOUTH, THE NOSE, THE EYES.
THEY TOLD ME, "MAYBE SOMEBODY GOT IN THE VIEW OF THE CAMERA.
" I SAID, "NO, I HELD THE CAMERA UP MYSELF, "SO THERE'S NO WAY YOU COULD SQUEEZE IN TO GET INTO THE PICTURE.
" I WAS GETTING UP FOR WORK ONE MORNING, AND I WENT TO THE BATHROOM.
I OPENED THE DOOR, AND THERE'S A LITTLE GIRL STANDING IN THE BATHROOM, LOOKING AT THE MIRROR.
SHE RAN TOWARDS ME AND DISAPPEARED.
I GOT A CLEAR VIEW OF HER.
I SEEN THE CLOTHES SHE WAS WEARING.
SHE HAD BOWS ON HER SHOES THA MATCHED THE BOW ON HER HEAD.
SHE WAS WEARING A BLACK-AND-RED FLANNEL DRESS.
I MEAN, IT WAS A CLEAR IMAGE, AND I STARTED SLAPPING MYSELF AND PINCHING MYSELF, SAYING "YOU DID SEE THAT! YOU DID SEE THAT!" THEN I KNEW -- "HEY, SOMETHING'S GOING ON IN THIS HOUSE NOW.
"I'M GONNA HAVE TO FIND SOMEBODY TO COME OUT HERE AND CHECK OU AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON IN THIS HOUSE.
" Martinez: WHEN JACOB CONTACTED ME, THAT SAME DAY, WE WENT OUT TO INTERVIEW HIM.
HE WALKED US THROUGH THE HOUSE AND TOLD US WHERE HE HEARD NOISES -- ON THE ROOF, ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
THAT BACK ROOM IS AN ADD-ON.
IT'S THE CORRUGATED CEILING -- YOU CAN'T WALK ON THAT.
EVEN AN ANIMAL WOULD PROBABLY FALL THROUGH.
IT JUST IS IMPOSSIBLE.
THERE WAS ENOUGH THERE FOR US TO INVESTIGATE THE HOUSE.
WE KNEW THAT WE COULDN'T DO I WITH THE FAMILY THERE 'CAUSE WE LIKE TO CONTAIN THE ENVIRONMEN SO THAT THERE'S NOT A LO OF NOISE, OUTSIDE NOISE, THAT CONTAMINATES OUR EVIDENCE.
Cadena: I SAID, "LOOK, YVONNE, "HOW ABOU I TAKE MY FAMILY CAMPING "AND GIVE YOU THE HOUSE FOR THE WEEKEND? "THAT WAY, ANY NOISE THAT YOU GET IS FROM YOU GUYS AND WHATEVER IS IN MY HOUSE.
" Martinez: WE SET UP RECORDERS, AND WE HAD VIDEO CAMERAS, AS WELL.
BUT WHEN WE WENT OVER OUR EVIDENCE, I WAS CAUGHT OFF GUARD.
IT WAS A MALE, SAYING, "MAGGIE," VERY LOUD.
IT JUST CONFIRMED JACOB'S STORY.
THIS LITTLE GIRL WAS IN HIS BATHROOM.
HER NAME'S MAGGIE.
Cadena: I START BUYING EQUIPMENT, PUTTING IT AROUND MY HOUSE TO SEE WHAT ELSE I CAN GET.
I STARTED GETTING PICTURES OF A LITTLE GIRL ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY HOUSE, LOOKING AT ME TAKING HER PICTURE.
I GOT ANOTHER PICTURE OF A LITTLE GHOST GIRL WALKING ACROSS MY FRONT LAWN.
I COULDN'T BELIEVE WHAT I WAS SEEING.
I TOOK A PICTURE, AND THE LITTLE GHOST SHOWED UP.
AS I WAS SEEING ALL THESE SPIRITS, MY OLDEST DAUGHTER -- ONE DAY, SHE TELLS ME, "DAD, CHARLI," WHICH IS MY GRANDDAUGHTER -- SHE'S 5 YEARS OLD -- "SEES YOUR GHOST.
" SHE GOES, "THE OTHER DAY, SHE WAS SITTING THERE, TALKING TO A LITTLE SOMEBODY.
" SO I WENT OVER AND I TOLD HER, "BABY, WHO DO YOU TALK TO?" SHE SAYS, "MY FRIEND.
" I SAY, "DO YOU KNOW WHO SHE IS?" SHE SAYS, "HER NAME IS MAGGIE.
IS SHE MY COUSIN OR SOMETHING?" THIS IS THE SECOND TIME I'VE HEARD "MAGGIE" -- THE EVP IN THE BATHROOM.
NOW I GOT MY 5-YEAR-OLD GRANDDAUGHTER SAYING, "MAGGIE.
" I SAID, "BABY, CAN YOU DRAW THIS LITTLE GIRL?" SHE GOES, "YEAH, GRANDPA.
" THIS IS THE PICTURE OF MAGGIE.
I SEE A BLACK PLAID DRESS, BLACK STOCKINGS.
THERE APPEARS TO BE A DIAMOND ON THE HEADBAND AND ON THE SHOES.
MY GRANDDAUGHTER ACTUALLY SEES A GIRL GHOST, MAGGIE, THAT I SEE.
YVONNE TOLD ME THA WHEN THEY DID THE INVESTIGATION, THAT A LITTLE GIRL GHOST -- SHE WAS ATTACHED TO ME BECAUSE SHE WAS SEEING ME AS A FATHER FIGURE.
SO THAT'S WHY SHE'S AROUND MY HOUSE.
SHE FEELS SAFE WITH ME -- THAT'S WHY SHE MAKES HER PRESENCE KNOWN.
I DIDN'T FEEL THREATENED BY HER NOW.
BUT THEN SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF THAT I'VE SEEN AROUND MY HOUSE -- I WAS MORE CONCERNED NOW.
I'M THINKING, "ARE THEY FRIENDLY LIKE MAGGIE THE GHOST?" I WAS IN THE KITCHEN, DRINKING WATER.
EVERYBODY WAS ASLEEP, AND I SAID, "SPIRITS, I KNOW YOU'RE HERE, "AND I'M OKAY WITH IT.
"YOU CAN MAKE YOUR PRESENCE KNOWN.
"JUST LEAVE MY FAMILY ALONE, "AND YOU CAN STAY AS LONG AS YOU WANT.
LET MY FAMILY SLEEP -- STAY AS LONG AS YOU WANT.
" THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, I GOT THE WEIRDEST FEELING.
SOMETHING GRABBED ME.
IT GAVE ME CHILLS -- NOT ONLY MY ARMS, MY WHOLE BODY FELT NUMB.
I GOT ON THE PHONE RIGHT AWAY.
"YVONNE! YVONNE! SOMETHING GRABBED ME IN THE KITCHEN.
" Martinez: AND I SAID, "WELL, YOU ASKED THEM TO STAY, DIDN'T YOU?" HE GOES, "YEAH.
" I GO, "WELL, THEY LIKED WHAT YOU SAID.
"THEY PROBABLY HUGGED YOU.
THEY'RE LETTING YOU KNOW THAT THEY HEARD YOU.
" Cadena: IF SOMEBODY WERE TO SAY THEY WERE SKEPTICAL ABOUT MY STORY, I'D INVITE THEM TO COME TO MY HOUSE AND LET THEM SEE AND HEAR WHAT I SEE AND HEAR.
WITH ALL THE EVIDENCE THAT I'VE COLLECTED -- THE PHOTOS, THE EVPs -- IT ONLY PROVES TO ME THA THESE SPIRITS ARE HERE TO STAY.
Drahos: ONE NIGHT, I SEE THIS APPARITION THAT'S SHAPED LIKE A MAN, IT WAS TALL.
Parish-Bischoff: AS WE WERE LOOKING AT EACH LITTLE SCREEN, I HAD NOTICED A BLACK MASS IN FRONT OF HER FOOTBOARD.
Drahos: IT WAS THE MOST SURREAL EXPERIENCE I HAVE EVER HAD.
Parish-Bischoff: AS WE WERE LOOKING AT EACH LITTLE SCREEN, I HAD NOTICED A BLACK MASS IN FRONT OF HER FOOTBOARD.
Drahos: IT WAS THE MOST SURREAL EXPERIENCE I HAVE EVER HAD.
MY GHOST STORY BEGAN WHEN I MOVED INTO MISS FANNY'S IN WAPPINGERS FALLS, NEW YORK.
I BOUGHT THE HOUSE ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO.
I'VE ALWAYS LOVED OLD HOUSES.
I COLLECT ANTIQUES.
I LOVE EVERYTHING OLD, SO I WAS SPECIFICALLY LOOKING FOR AN OLD HOUSE.
AND IT WAS BUILT IN 1870, SO I WAS LUCKY TO FIND IT.
I DECIDED TO NAME THE HOUSE "MISS FANNY'S" BECAUSE THE PREVIOUS OWNER'S FIRST NAME WAS FANNY.
AND, ALSO, MY MOM PASSED AWAY 11 YEARS AGO, AND HER NAME WAS FANNY.
SO I THOUGH IT WOULD BRING ME GOOD LUCK.
I REALLY DIDN'T HAVE ANY CLUE THAT THE HOUSE WAS HAUNTED.
YOU KNOW, AND YOU HEAR CREAKS AND NOISES, AND I DIDN'T REALLY PAY MUCH ATTENTION TO IT.
THE FIRST EXPERIENCE I HAD IN THE HOUSE WAS WHEN I WAS GIVING MY CHILDREN A BATH, AND I JUST HEAR THIS MAN'S VOICE.
AND I HEAR THESE DISTINCT, LIKE, "BOOM, BOOM" -- HEAVY FOOTSTEPS COMING UP THE STAIRCASE, AND I'M THINKING IT'S MY FATHER.
SO I RUN OUT TO THE HALL, AND I'M LIKE, "HEY," "I'M UPSTAIRS.
" AND HE DIDN'T ANSWER ME BACK, AND I WAS LIKE, "THAT'S STRANGE," 'CAUSE I'M AT THE TOP OF THE STAIRS AND THERE'S NOBODY THERE.
SO, I LOOK OUT THE WINDOWS, AND THERE'S NO CAR.
I PANICKED, AND I GOT THE KIDS OUT THE TUB AND JUST KIND OF RUNNING AROUND THE HOUSE, AND THERE'S NO ONE THERE.
IF I'M ALONE IN THE HOUSE, ESPECIALLY AT NIGHT, I'VE HEARD FOOTSTEPS UPSTAIRS IN THE ATTIC WHEN I KNOW THERE'S NOBODY THERE.
I GET A LITTLE NERVOUS -- ALMOST LIKE I'M WONDERING, "WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN NEXT?" AND THEN, ONE DAY, I WAS TURNING THE CORNER TO THE STAIRCASE AND I JUST FELT LIKE SOMETHING CAME UP RIGHT BEHIND ME, LIKE, ALMOST YOU CAN FEEL, LIKE, A BREATH ON YOUR NECK.
I JUST SWUNG AROUND, AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOBODY THERE.
AND I'M LIKE, "WHAT?!" AND I WAS LIKE, "OH, OKAY.
THIS IS INTERESTING.
" AND I KIND OF KEPT I IN THE BACK OF MY MIND, BUT THEN I KIND OF FORGO ABOUT IT.
AND THEN, ONE NIGHT, I WAS COMING HOME WITH THE KIDS, AND I'M DRIVING UP TO MY DRIVEWAY.
IT'S DARK AND I QUICKLY PULL UP AND I SEE THIS APPARITION THAT'S SHAPED LIKE A MAN.
HE WAS TALL.
I JUST GOT CHILLS.
I JUST GOT CHILLS, AND I'M THINKING, "WHO IS THIS?" AND THEN BEFORE I COULD EVEN THINK IT, WALKED INTO [CHUCKLES.]
THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, AND I'M THINKING, "WHAT WAS THAT?" IT WAS THE MOST SURREAL EXPERIENCE I HAVE EVER HAD.
FINALLY, I HAD NO CHOICE.
I WANTED TO SEE IF SOMEBODY ELSE COULD EXPERIENCE THESE THINGS, RATHER THAN JUST ME AND MY FAMILY.
SO I BROUGHT DONNA IN TO VALIDATE WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN THE HOUSE.
Parish-Bischoff: SHE WAS VERY RECEPTIVE IN HAVING THE INVESTIGATION.
SHE WAS HOPING TO PERHAPS FIND OUT A LITTLE MORE, IF WE CAN GET, LIKE, A NAME ON AUDIO OR SOMETHING CAPTURED ON VIDEO.
THE FIRST TIME I PULLED UP TO THIS DRIVEWAY, IT WAS CRISP -- IT WAS KIND OF CHILLY OUT.
AND THE WINDOWS KIND OF LOOK LIKE THEY'RE EYES LOOKING DOWN AT YOU.
AND WE WALKED UP ONTO THE PORCH, AND SHE HAD OPENED UP THE DOORS AND WELCOMED US IN.
WE SAT DOWN, AND JULIA WAS SITTING DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF US IN ANOTHER CHAIR, DESCRIBING THINGS THAT HAVE GONE ON IN THE HOUSE.
I IMMEDIATELY BECAME VERY INTERESTED IN HEARING THE STORIES.
AND AS WE'RE SITTING THERE, I HAPPENED TO NOTICE SOMETHING KIND OF SHOOT UP ON THE STAIRS IN LIKE A WHITE DRESS OR A WHITE BLOUSE.
Drahos: SHE JUST TURNED HER HEAD AND LOOKED, AND SHE'S LIKE, "IS THERE SOMEBODY HERE? SOMEBODY JUST WENT UPSTAIRS.
" I SAID, "THERE'S NOBODY HERE.
" I SAID, "WAS IT A MAN OR A WOMAN OR?" AND SHE'S LIKE, "IT WAS A WOMAN.
" AND I QUICKLY RAN OU TO THE HALL TO LOOK.
THAT WAS IT -- SHE WAS GONE.
Parish-Bischoff: WHEN I'M AT A LOCATION AND I SEE SOMETHING WITHIN SUCH A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, IT WAS LIKE, "OH, MY GOD.
THIS IS THE GREATEST THING IN THE WORLD.
" SO, WE TOOK PICTURES OF BASICALLY EVERY CORNER OF THE ROOM.
AND I TOOK A PICTURE OF THE BEAUTIFUL STAIRWAY, WHERE I SAW THAT WOMAN RUN UP THE STAIRS, AND I CAPTURED A BIG GLOW OF, YOU KNOW, A WHITE ORB RIGHT IN THE CORNER OF THE STAIRS, ALMOST AS THOUGH IT WAS MAKING A TURN TO GO ALL THE WAY UPSTAIRS.
WHEN MY CO-INVESTIGATOR HAD TAKEN THE SAME PICTURE -- DIFFERENT CAMERA, DIFFERENT TIME OF EVENING -- SHE HAD THE SAME TYPE OF REFRACTION OF LIGHT, BUT JUST SLIGHTLY HIGHER LIKE IT WAS STANDING IN A DIFFERENT POSITION.
SO, IS THIS WOMAN ON THE STAIRS STUCK THERE? DID SOMETHING HAPPEN TO HER ON THE STAIRS? WE DON'T KNOW, AND THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD LOVE TO FIND OUT.
Drahos: LATER THAT NIGHT, THEY SET UP CAMERAS IN A LO OF THE ROOMS -- MY BEDROOM, ESPECIALLY, THE THIRD FLOOR, THE ATTIC, WHERE WE'VE HAD A LOT OF THINGS GO ON IN THERE -- AND THEY STAYED, YOU KNOW, FOR THE NIGHT.
Parish-Bischoff: WE WANTED TO CONCENTRATE ON JULIA'S BEDROOM BECAUSE SHE ALWAYS FEL THAT THERE WAS A PRESENCE INSIDE OF THAT ROOM.
SO, WHILE I WAS DOWNSTAIRS, AT THE BASE OF THE STAIRS, WE HAD A COMPUTER MONITOR AND IT HAD A DVR SYSTEM SET UP WITH THREE INFRARED CAMERAS.
AS WE WERE LOOKING AT EACH LITTLE SCREEN, I HAD NOTICED, PARTICULARLY, IN FRONT OF JULIA'S FOOTBOARD, WE ALMOST SAW, LIKE, A BLACK MASS -- LIKE THERE WAS SOMETHING MOVING IN FRONT OF HER FOOTBOARD REALLY QUICKLY.
I THOUGH IMMEDIATELY THA THIS MUST BE A MALE PRESENCE BECAUSE IT DIDN'T HAVE A SOFT GLOW TO I LIKE THE WOMAN THAT I SAW BY THE STAIRS.
Drahos: WHEN I LOOKED AT THE VIDEO, YOU COULD SEE IT'S LIKE A SHADOW, AN APPARITION.
AND IT'S JUST SO -- IT'S SO AMAZING THAT THEY ACTUALLY GOT THA ON CAMERA IN MY ROOM, WHERE I SLEEP.
Parish-Bischoff: AS I WAS DISCUSSING WHAT MY FINDINGS WERE WITH A FELLOW INVESTIGATOR, I HAD MY DIGITAL RECORDER WITH ME, NOT KNOWING THAT I WOULD ACTUALLY PICK SOMETHING ELSE UP.
AND YOU HEAR A MAN VERY CLEARLY SAY, "MY HOUSE," IN A REALLY DEEP VOICE.
"MY HOUSE.
" THAT KIND OF MADE THE HAIR ON MY NECK STAND UP BECAUSE IT WAS SO CLEAR.
Drahos: WHEN I FIRST HEARD THAT, I COULDN'T STOP, LIKE, LISTENING TO IT OVER AND OVER.
Parish-Bischoff: I DIDN'T KNOW IF THIS PERSON WAS ANGRY THAT WE WERE THERE OR JUST CONFIRMING, "LOOK, I'M HERE.
" AFTER THAT, WE WERE SITTING AROUND HER LARGE DINING-ROOM TABLE -- ABOUT 3:00 AND, SAY, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, WE HEAR A DOORKNOB OPEN.
WELL, WE JUMP UP BECAUSE WE'RE LIKE, "WE'RE ALL ACCOUNTED FOR, SO NO ONE'S ON THE FRONT PORCH.
WHO'S COMING IN AT THAT TIME OF NIGHT?" SO AT THAT POINT, WHEN WE HEARD THE DOOR, WE HEARD SOMETHING GET DRAGGED FROM THE UPSTAIRS, LIKE DRAGGED OR DROPPED OR -- IT WAS JUST THE WEIRDEST SOUND.
AND THE CHILDREN WERE NOT HOME, HER DAD WAS NOT HOME.
YOU KNOW, SHE MADE SURE THAT THE HOUSE WAS OURS FOR THE NIGHT.
SO, AT THIS POINT, WE GO RUNNING TO THE DOOR.
THE DOOR'S CLOSED.
ALL OF US WENT UP TO THE THIRD FLOOR, AND THE HALLWAY CLOSE IS COMPLETELY OPEN, ALL THE STUFF IN THE CLOSE IS NOW ON THE FLOOR, AND SHE'S GOT TWO PICTURES, AND THEY WERE COMPLETELY CROOKED.
WE WERE LIKE, "WOW.
I GUESS THAT'S WHAT WE HEARD.
MAYBE IT WAS TIRED -- HE JUST WANTED US TO GO HOME.
" WE WERE IN AMAZEMENT, COMPLETELY SHOCKED THAT IT HAD THE CAPABILITY OF DOING PHYSICAL THINGS.
AFTER HEARING ALL THE STORIES AND ACTUALLY EXPERIENCING A LOT OF THEM FIRST-HAND I THINK THE SPIRI IN THAT HOUSE IS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL OWNERS IN THAT HOME.
Drahos: DONNA'S VALIDATION OF IT BEING HAUNTED HAS HELPED.
IT GIVES ME THE CREDIBILITY THA THERE REALLY IS ACTUAL EVIDENCE.
Parish-Bischoff: I DO BELIEVE THAT THE AFTERLIFE DOES EXIST, AND, BOY, DOES IT EVER EXIS IN MISS FANNY'S HOME.