The Dead Files (2011) s05e04 Episode Script
The Ax Murder House - Villisca, IA
Someone's saying there wasn't anywhere to run.
Serial killer pops in my head.
I said, if you're here, open this door now.
I don't like it.
I just want to be out of here.
He wound up murdering his own mother.
- And how'd he do that? - With an ax.
Oh, [Bleep.]
It's time for me to live here with my family.
This guy is saying, make sure they're dead.
Make sure.
Make sure.
It's really bad in here.
My name is Amy Allan.
Something is not right.
I see dead people.
This person might have been a serial killer.
I speak to dead people.
You get those chills.
And they speak to me.
He is darkness.
He is evil.
But there's only one way to know if my findings are real.
I think she broke her neck.
I rely on my partner.
I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
I'm a retired New York City homicide Detective.
You telling me the truth? And I know every person, every house has secrets.
I think the Devil is down here.
It's my job to reveal them.
Who the hell would do this? But Steve and I never speak We never communicate during an investigation.
Until the very end.
Who is he looking to kill? We uncover if it's safe for you to stay You need to get out of here right now.
Or time to get out.
It was like endless darkness.
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Amy and I work the same case, but from two different angles.
I interview living witnesses and uncover buried secrets from the property's past.
While Amy communicates with the dead.
Every once in a while, Amy and I get called in to investigate a well-known location.
This is one of those times.
I'm in rural Iowa, heading over to the infamous Villisca ax murder house.
Now, here's what Amy and I both know going into this case.
June 9th, 1912.
Six members of the Moore family, and two young girls who will be spending the night with them as house guests Walk back from the church along a country road.
Around 9:30 P.
M.
they arrive home.
The following morning, they will all be found dead.
All murdered by a swing of an ax to the head.
Despite countless theories and two sensational trials No one has ever been brought to justice.
And the Villisca Ax Murders remain on of the world's most horrific unsolved crimes.
But here's what Amy doesn't know We've actually been called in by a guy that leads tours in the ax murder house.
He thinks something has followed him home and is terrorizing his family.
He sounds pretty concerned, and I'm hoping Amy and I can help him out.
Matthew: Even though Amy knows where she's going I still have to cover anything that may influence her findings.
But what she doesn't know, is that she'll also be walking the client's home next door.
So, it's important I take my time there to remove any leading information.
In my opening, I met this woman who's here with me.
Okay.
She's all disfigured, and she is very angry.
Uh, about everything.
She feels responsible.
Uh, because she either let someone in or let them stay.
But I hear from someone else that it's actually her husband's fault.
This doesn't feel right.
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John, so this is the actual house where the murders took place.
- Exactly.
- Okay.
- You don't live here, though? - No.
I live right next door, where the neighbor that found the bodies used to live.
- Okay.
Now, what do you do? - I do the history tours.
We'll tell people about what happened going into the trials afterwards.
Okay.
But pretty soon, as I started spending a lot of time here, I thought, in my head, I'm gonna solve this case.
And, you know, once I really started delving into it I've become obsessed with it.
John, let me ask you, why'd you call us in, then? I'm concerned that something over here followed me next door.
I have a wife, a And we're getting scared at some of the things that's happening.
So, what kind of things are you experiencing at your house? There's a lot doors opening and closing, uh The back aches, the neck aches.
And I would hear growling noises, scratching noises, things like that.
So, were you experiencing stuff here first, and then it start happening at your house? Yeah, I started experiencing things here first, and that's what really drew me into it.
I thought, wow, is this stuff really happening? Okay.
What are you hoping we can do for you? If something's following me home from work at my house, I don't want that there.
I want a safe, happy home, and to really just get on with the rest of my life.
So, why don't you show me what's happening here, before we go over to your house.
Follow me.
Amy: Mm.
Matthew: What's wrong? I'm just hearing someone saying "There wasn't anywhere to run".
[Floor creaking.]
What's going on? I just feel a lot Of pain right here.
I can't breathe.
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So, this is where Ina and Lena Stillinger were found, the two overnight guests.
Steve: Wow.
Okay.
So, what's going on in here? A lot of nausea, feeling sick, neck hurting, back hurting.
Do you feel this when you're away from the house? No.
Walk outside [Snaps.]
gone.
Instantly.
Wow.
In this room, I've heard a lot of loud growling.
And not animal growls.
This was kind of a growl, gasp, moan combined, if that makes sense.
From a human? The growl did not sound human.
The gasp and moan afterwards sounded very feminine.
You don't think that has something to do with the fact that you know two little girls were murdered in here? Like, maybe it's something you might've imagined? No.
It was definitely loud and real.
Okay.
There's two females Maybe 8 or 9.
One of them likes to scare people.
She growls.
She's like, sometimes I like to go [Growls.]
Like that, she says.
And I think they would hear her and feel her before they saw her.
Okay.
And with them, I'm getting pain here.
Oh, a lot of pain here.
Oh [Bleep.]
.
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John: This was the home of Mary Peckham, the lady that found the bodies that morning.
Steve: Okay.
What are you experiencing in this house? My wife had just went to work, my daughter was at preschool.
And I hear, "John"! And it startled me.
I jumped and I looked around, and nobody.
I looked out the window and you could see her car going up the street.
There was nobody here.
It wasn't anybody outside trying to get your attention? No.
I looked all around the house.
Okay.
And there was one time, I took the door and I latched it shut.
And, just on a whim, I said, Mary Peckham, or anything to do with the axe murder house, if you're here, open this door now.
And then it slammed open.
Really? Was anybody home? No, I was alone.
Steve: John's story sounded a little too convenient.
So, I started looking for any signs that he might be stretching the truth.
But as far as I could tell, he wasn't lying.
I mean, it's got to be pretty tough on the whole family, right? Yeah.
I don't want anybody in this house scared of anything.
And, at one time, I actually just padlocked the door shut coming up here.
Because it all centers around up here, it seems like.
Okay.
[Door creaking.]
Amy: A lot of the dead people from next door come here live here.
Any idea why? They feel happy.
They're able to be together.
The older woman from outside She's trying to talk to a person here - Okay.
- But she's throwing a fit.
Like, she is going [Bleep.]
crazy.
The second this woman steps into this room, she becomes filled with rage.
She's had it with the living, and all of her anger is directed at one man.
She's saying, you're a guilty [Bleep.]
and you know it.
John: I had a couple friends stay the night, they all slept in here.
And the next morning, one said that he woke up to an old woman's distorted face Just right above his.
He was pretty terrified and he said he'd never sleep up here again.
Has anybody else in the house seen this woman? Uh my daughter has talked about a woman she's seen.
Okay.
And what does she describe? Right when we moved in, she started talking about Hattie.
I said, who is Hattie? She goes, that's the woman upstairs.
How do you talk about ghosts to a 4-year-old? Right.
I'm gonna hit you with a question that you may not like.
Now, what if Amy comes in and she says, listen to me, you need to move.
It's just not that easy.
We can't just pick up and move.
And kind of the way I see it, I often wonder is it fate that I'm supposed to be here? Could be that it's time for me to live here with my family.
Okay.
The woman, she's definitely doing some creepy [Bleep.]
around here.
Like what? You know, somebody's seen an apparition of her many times.
But it's not normal, she doesn't look normal.
What does it look like? She's messed up.
Like Like all Weird.
I'm pretty [Bleep.]
sure she's haunting these people.
[Whispers.]
[Birds chirping.]
So, Martha, I was talking to John and he said that you own this place.
Yes, I do.
My husband and I, Darwin, purchased the house in 1994.
Let me ask you a question, did you guys know that this place might've had some paranormal stuff going on? No.
When we purchased it, we purchased it simply because of the historical value that it had.
Do you think, maybe all these paranormal groups coming through may be stirring some stuff up in the house? The paranormal groups like to tell you that perhaps the paranormal activity started when we restored it back to what it looked like in 1912.
Because a lot of the people that had lived here in the modern world, didn't seem to experience anything.
Are you worried about the guests that come through here, or the people that work for you? - No.
No, I'm not.
- No? - Not worried about what's going on here? - No.
This is a little bit of a different situation here.
Usually, go to people's homes, where they live, and my partner gives them advice.
What if she suggested that you stop doing the tours here? I would listen to what you had to say, I'll take it to heart But I probably will not discontinue what I'm doing.
She says, like, they deserve it.
They deserve to suffer, or they deserved to suffer.
And I'm like, well, why? She's like, this is what they get.
They deserve it.
She's adamant about this.
The angry woman I met outside is furious with the living here.
She wants them to experience the same pain she feels all the time.
I mean, she's definitely about wanting someone to suffer.
But they better not think that she's kidding, because she's not.
So, Kristy, I was talking to John, and he said you also give tours here yourself.
- Yes, I do.
- Okay.
And you've had experiences? Yeah, I have.
I've had many.
Are you okay? Because you seem a little on edge.
I I don't like being upstairs.
I've had many experiences up here, and it's - It makes me very uncomfortable.
- Can you tell me about 'em? Yes.
I was doing a tour and um I heard footsteps coming up the stairs behind me.
There was nobody else downstairs, everybody was upstairs.
- Okay, so you heard footsteps coming.
- I heard footsteps coming up.
I ran through that bedroom screaming into here.
And um This one guy followed me in and he said, I heard those footsteps, too.
- He didn't know why I took off running.
- Anything else? Well, one time I got my hair ruffled.
- Okay.
- And another time, I was touched.
- Was it anything inappropriate? - Yeah.
- It was? - Mm hmm.
Kristy, with all you've experienced in the house, do you think whatever's here is dangerous? Yeah, I think so.
- So, why don't we go, because - Okay.
Thanks for even doing this.
So, there's a male in there who's like, come on in here, you [Bleep.]
! Come on in.
I don't feel good.
So much uh Commotion and movement and Fear and panic and pain.
And there's so There's a lot of people in the house.
When all this is there's so many people in the house.
All of these people are trapped here.
Especially these three kids.
[Whispers.]
I know most of the basic facts about the Villisca Ax Murders.
But in order to help my clients, I need to speak with the foremost expert on the case.
I need him to tell me what happened the night that two adults, and six children were murdered on the property I'm investigating.
It remains one of the more spectacular cases in Iowa history.
- There were eight people killed.
- Okay.
You had Joe and Sarah Moore and their four children.
Here's two of the kids.
And then, there were two girls visiting that night.
- Okay.
- And they were the Stillinger girls.
Ina and Lena.
Can you just take me back to what happened leading up to the murders? Sunday night, the 9th of June, they all went to church together.
Okay.
They were having a special service, which was called the children's day service.
They had a guest that night, a minister, Lyn George Jacklin Kelly.
Never been in Villisca before.
And he was going to later be accused of the murder and tried for it.
But acquitted.
And then, the eight of them were going home.
And there's a rumor at least, that one of the children thought they saw somebody in the bushes.
I'm seeing this man Standing In the trees, watching.
He was angry and jealous, and I hear somebody say that he was very religious.
Then, the next morning, the next house west from theirs Noticed that there was no activity around the Moore house.
That's the house where my client's living now.
Yep.
Peckham shouted, knocked on the door, got no response.
She called Joe's brother.
He and Mrs.
Peckham walk through the front parlor to a back bedroom.
Lying in the bed were two figures.
Okay.
On the bedstead behind them, there were there was blood.
And they called for the town marshal.
So, he looks around the room, and the killer has taken a A woman's black skirt out of a dresser and draped it over the mirror.
The ax is leaning against the south wall.
And it's got blood and hair on it.
They had all been killed with the back of the ax.
Mrs.
Moore, she was the only one struck with the blade of the ax.
Interesting.
And they were so disfigured, they were mutilated beyond recognition.
And their faces had been covered with a piece of clothing.
And then the covers had been pulled over them.
And leaning beside the ax is a four-pound piece of slab bacon.
That's odd.
Now, was there any theory about the bacon? There was one theory, that the killer Rolled it into a tube and used it as a masturbatory aid.
Wow.
Serial killer pops in my head.
Mm-hmm.
Amy: I just hear crying.
A lot of crying.
And I do see somebody being dragged across the floor.
And I hear a male voice saying, it's gonna be okay.
It's gonna be okay.
This kid knew this guy.
She knows this person very well, very well.
Okay.
And there was struggling.
What is going on here? There's, like, physical Stuff happening.
Like, there's a man saying, make sure that they're dead.
Uh, make sure.
Make sure.
[Whispers.]
Amy: There's a man saying, make sure that they're dead.
Make sure.
There's the woman again.
She says, how can you let them do this? How can you let them do this? Aren't they your friends? Like, she's hysterically crying.
Steve: I need to find out what kind of evidence the cops collected when they got to the scene.
So, I'm heading to the state capital to meet with the County Sheriff.
And he said he can tell me exactly what they found, and why it led them to narrow down their suspect list to four men.
- Hey, Joe.
- Hi, Steve.
How are you doing? Thanks for meeting me, I appreciate it.
Now, I wanted to talk to another cop about this.
I mean, can you take me through the crime scene itself? Basically, the crime scene was quickly deteriorated by a whole barrage of people going through there.
It was tainted.
So, you had civilians walking through the crime scene? - That's right.
- Wow, okay.
I know this guy Kelly was arrested and charged.
Reverend George Kelly.
He was one of the four suspects.
The first suspect would've been F.
F.
Jones.
Mr.
Moore had worked for him for nine years.
They got into a disagreement over wages.
Mr.
Moore went on his own.
And when he left, he took one of Mr.
Jones' biggest customers.
Also, there was the rumor that Mr.
Moore was having an affair.
With his daughter-in-law.
- F.
F.
's daughter-in-law? - That's right.
Doesn't sound like it was enough for him to kill six kids.
Well, that's where suspect number two comes in.
William Blackie Mansfield.
It is rumored Mr.
Jones had hired Mr.
Mansfield To do his dirty work.
Did they ever bring him in, charge him, or anything? He had an alibi.
He was actually in Chicago, Illinois, working, at the time.
Henry Lee Moore.
Well, he looks the part, that's for sure.
Yes, he does.
He wound up, two years later Murdering his own mother and Grandmother in Columbia, Missouri.
- And how'd he do that? - With an ax.
- Bludgeoned them to death.
- Okay.
- But, he's arrested and charged, I guess? - He had an alibi.
The only one that was ever arrested and charged Was reverend George Kelly.
Joe, what wound up leading the guys to arrest him? Someone said that they overheard him talking about the murders when he was leaving that morning.
He caught the 5:30 train out of Villisca.
And they didn't discover the murders until around 7:00 A.
M.
Well, it was several years later that they arrested him.
He's the one that was charged.
- But acquitted twice.
- Acquitted twice.
And so, the case is still open today.
Amy: There was a deal, and it went wrong.
There are four men involved.
I did hear, um, like Conspiracy [Bleep.]
.
Like, a cover-up.
These men had marks on them.
Scratches and I just hear men talking to each other about making sure that it's done.
Not everyone was supposed to die.
Now that I know that Reverend Kelly went on trial for the Villisca Ax Murders.
I'm meeting a crime historian who is going to explain to me why there was no justice for the victims of this brutal crime.
This was the room where Reverend Kelly stood trial twice for the Villisca Ax Murders.
- So, what happened with the first trial? - The first trial ended in a hung jury.
So, what went wrong? The state had a pretty strong case.
There was, of course, a confession by Kelly.
- This is it? - Yes.
What was he saying? He heard the voice of God.
Telling him to slay utterly, and it went on in this vein.
Wow.
What other evidence did they have against him? They had what was called the bloody shirt.
A couple of days after the murders, he took one of these white shirts to the laundry in Council Bluffs.
We have a confession.
We have two credible witnesses who say he talked about the murders before the bodies were even found, on the train.
We've got a bloody T-shirt.
To me, it sounds like a pretty decent case.
So, what went wrong? Kelly was a pathetic figure.
He was a very small fellow and he was a minister.
This is the Bible Belt after all, and uh Ministers don't go around killing kids with an ax.
So now, what went wrong on the second trial? The second trial was just, essentially, a rerun that was done rather halfheartedly.
The prosecution, in fact, did not even use the confession in the second trial.
One of these men was really cool with doing this torturing.
He's a little guy.
Probably my height, but really thin, pale.
Uh, his face is weird.
He's a little crazy dude.
During my walk, I saw a group of men conspiring to commit murder.
I'm having a sketch artist draw one of the killers.
He had a very oval kind of shape to his head.
He was very thin.
His hair, definitely, was dark and greasy.
Next, I had him sketch the angry woman screaming at a living man in the other house.
And there's a bed, and there was a person sleeping.
And this lady Was at the end of the bed.
And her face is rage.
Is this what you saw? Yes.
[Whispers.]
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Steve: Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations.
We're ready to reveal our findings to each other and our clients for the first time.
Well, Amy, this is an unusual case for both of us, because we both had a little bit of knowledge of the tragedy that had happened in this house.
Now, what you don't know is that we were actually called in by John.
Now, John's a tour guide here.
He actually lives in that house.
He thinks something may have followed him home, and it's terrorizing his family.
Now Kristy here works as a tour guide, as well, and she's terrified in that house.
She doesn't want to leave, but she's afraid to come into this house and work.
Now, I'm curious, Amy, coming into this case, how much did you know about what took place here? Amy: I knew that there was a mass murder that had been committed here.
Of a family, two children were visiting.
That it occurred at night, that it was done with an ax.
And that's about it.
Okay.
So, with that, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy, and she can tell us about her walk.
So this walk, for me, was absolutely overwhelming.
Like, I could not believe that pretty much everybody is still here.
And when I showed up on the location, I felt a lot of pain.
Like, having a hard time breathing and severe back pain.
John, you had mentioned to me about headaches and pain you go through.
John: Being in the house, certain places, certain times, extreme nausea, neck pain, back pain.
Come out of the house, completely fine.
Yeah, mm-hmm.
Kristy: I have trouble breathing sometimes.
It feels like someone's standing on your chest.
One of the strongest entities I met was this woman.
She's pretty short, pale, and she was very spiteful.
Angry, and she made me feel The initial pain.
The other thing is, she would go back and forth about blame.
She feels responsible because she either let someone in or let them stay.
But I hear from someone else that it's actually her husband's fault.
- Now, was she one of the murder victims? - Yes.
- She was? - Yes.
And there's only one woman that was murdered in this house.
This is Sarah Moore.
- That look like who you might've seen? - Yes.
Oh, yes.
She lived here with her husband and four kids.
There was Herman, who was 11.
There was Katherine, who was 10.
And then they had two other kids, Boyd and Paul.
Seven and five.
Now, you mentioned the woman you saw was angry.
Yes.
That's interesting because Sarah Moore was the only one that was hit with the sharp end of the ax.
The rest of them were hit with the back end of the ax.
Really? So, John, how do you feel knowing that one of the murder victims is actually here in the house, and she's pissed? John: Definitely sad.
You know, nobody wants anybody stuck.
What else? In the downstairs bedroom there's two girls, but there was one girl, specifically, who enjoys interacting with the living.
She tries to get attention.
She tries to talk to people And she likes to growl.
The growling that I've heard is in that exact bedroom.
It was a growl, gasp, moan, kind of combined all together.
You know that there were the two visiting Stillinger kids? - Yes.
- All right.
Those were the two girls that were murdered in the downstairs bedroom.
This is Lena, who was 11.
This is Ina.
She was 8 years old.
Which one do you think might be the one interacting? I think it's her.
- Lena? - Yeah.
She's the most active one, and wants feedback and reactions.
She wants attention.
So, as far as what happened, it was really hard to piece together what I think are the facts.
There was a lot of chaos going on.
Like, I did hear a man saying that it's gonna be okay.
It's gonna be okay.
I heard someone else say, there's no place to run.
And then, I saw her Getting dragged across the room by her leg.
And she had this confused look on her face, because she knew this man.
And then I heard a male say, make sure they're all dead.
When I went upstairs, I saw the woman, Sarah.
She was huddled in the corner, holding a small child, and she was screaming, why aren't you doing anything? How can you let them do this? You know.
Aren't they your friends? And the killer was talking about how something went wrong.
It wasn't supposed to happen like this.
His meaning was that not everybody in the house was supposed to die.
But something went wrong, a deal went wrong, and this was focused on revenge.
And I believe there were four men involved.
She amazes me one case after the next I can tell you I'm always blown away by her.
But I got to respectfully disagree with her.
I don't see it happening that way.
There were four suspects, though.
Interesting.
First one was a guy that was Moore's boss.
This guy, F.
F.
Jones.
When Moore left the business He actually took the biggest account that they had and took it with them.
Yeah.
I think that's it.
Also, there was a rumor that J.
B.
Moore was having an affair with his daughter-in-law.
Oh, that's why.
But you don't kill six children over an affair.
The second major suspect was a guy named Blackie Mansfield.
It was said that F.
F.
Jones hired him to kill the family.
But, he had an alibi and he couldn't have been in Villisca at the time.
So, it was dismissed.
Then you've got Henry Lee Moore, no relation to the family.
He was a drifter, but nobody could place him in Villisca the night of the homicide.
Which brings us to reverend George Kelly.
This guy was in town the night of the homicides.
He attended the church that the entire Moore family was at that night.
He's put on trial twice.
First trial was a hung jury.
Second time, he was acquitted.
Now, one of the things they had on him The next morning he gets on the train at 5:30 in the morning, and he discusses the murder that took place at this house.
The bodies weren't discovered until 7:00 in the morning.
So, how would he know about that? Second this is, a few days later, he drops off a bloody T-shirt to a dry cleaner.
And he wrote out a confession.
He puts himself here.
Says he's killed the Moores.
Said God made him do it.
Well, one of the men who was active in the murders, I met in the barn.
He was short, very thin and pale.
He really enjoyed, like, torturing them.
I got a really quick look at him, but I did a sketch anyway.
Wow.
Take a look at that.
Wow.
Yeah, that definitely resembles Reverend Kelly.
Oh, yeah.
It looks like the same man.
Amy, what do you think? Is this Kelly? - Yes.
- Okay.
But he's not the only one.
He's just one of 'em.
I agree with her.
Okay.
How did one person control eight people, and nobody got out? Mm-hmm.
Anything's possible.
I'd never throw anything off the table.
My experience working homicide tells me serial killers almost always act alone.
But I've worked with Amy long enough to know that she see things no one else has.
And if she thinks more than one man committed those murders, I can't find any evidence to prove or disprove her theory.
I am glad that we both agree that this scumbag was involved in the homicide.
Without a doubt, yeah.
Well, we didn't just come here to investigate what might've happened here.
But also, he's having issues in his house, which you also walked, right? - Yes.
- Okay.
When I was over there, I Saw that most of the family go hang out in there.
It was nice downstairs.
Then, I'm, like, walking up the stairs and almost when you hit The floor, it was just complete anger.
With her.
If I were you, I would be very careful in this house.
It's pretty intense.
[Whispers.]
Then, I'm, like, walking up the stairs and almost when you hit The floor, it was just complete anger.
With her.
If I were you, I would be very careful in this house.
John: The whole downstairs has always seemed very peaceful and welcoming.
But the upstairs has always been full of footsteps and doors opening and closing and noises and Well, it was so bad he moved his family from upstairs to downstairs.
When I saw her upstairs, she's, like, in a blind rage.
She makes it a point to haunt the living people.
She said that the living people up there deserve it.
I got that she does direct her anger towards a male.
And it didn't make sense, because she blames him for what happened.
Well, John admitted to me that he was pretty much obsessed about this case.
For me, I felt a genuine love for this family.
And I thought if I find out who did this, then maybe they can be at peace and be happy.
I felt like I was called to do that, like I had to figure out In my head, who did it, for the family.
So I did a sketch of A situation that I saw at the other house.
And it was of Sarah Going crazy.
And yelling.
Looks like she's wigging out.
It's not a good feeling to Do something you love, and trying to do it in a good way.
And have that person angry.
Well, this was a pretty intense case for both Amy and I.
And you've got to be relieved that you finally know what's going on here.
Mm-hmm.
But, the big question is, can you guys live and work here safely? For that, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy and see if she can come up with an answer.
What happened here is absolutely horrendous.
Mm-hmm.
These people, from the day that this happened.
Have never had any kind of peace.
Not only are they reliving What happened to them constantly.
They're also seeing other people coming and going, and it's made to be a sideshow.
And it needs to stop.
Because if this continues to stay a tourist attraction, I don't think they're gonna find any peace.
I did speak with the owner, Martha.
And I can tell you after speaking with her that, she is not gonna change the way things are done here.
So, John, would you ever consider talking to the owner and asking to change, or do you think it'd be a waste of time? We don't want it to be disrespectful.
I know Martha's intentions are right on.
She doesn't want it to be disrespectful.
And the way I give my tours, I need to just delve on the history, you know? We want to honor the family and we want to do good.
She had a message to get through to you on how to change things, and you've gotten that.
And that is what's going to give this family peace.
So you were chosen.
- How does that make you feel? - Really shocked.
There's a reason I ended up here, and I never understood why.
I know, John, that you're not in a position to make decisions here On changing things, but are you gonna do what you can? Absolutely.
We all want the best for them here.
Kristy: It'd be nice to enter the house and not be nervous and scared.
Amy: I wish the tours could stop completely.
But I'm encouraged that John and Kristy promise to limit the tours to the history of the house.
It seems to be a story that the dead in this place want told.
And it should help bring them peace, at least for now.
_.
_.
Serial killer pops in my head.
I said, if you're here, open this door now.
I don't like it.
I just want to be out of here.
He wound up murdering his own mother.
- And how'd he do that? - With an ax.
Oh, [Bleep.]
It's time for me to live here with my family.
This guy is saying, make sure they're dead.
Make sure.
Make sure.
It's really bad in here.
My name is Amy Allan.
Something is not right.
I see dead people.
This person might have been a serial killer.
I speak to dead people.
You get those chills.
And they speak to me.
He is darkness.
He is evil.
But there's only one way to know if my findings are real.
I think she broke her neck.
I rely on my partner.
I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
I'm a retired New York City homicide Detective.
You telling me the truth? And I know every person, every house has secrets.
I think the Devil is down here.
It's my job to reveal them.
Who the hell would do this? But Steve and I never speak We never communicate during an investigation.
Until the very end.
Who is he looking to kill? We uncover if it's safe for you to stay You need to get out of here right now.
Or time to get out.
It was like endless darkness.
_.
Amy and I work the same case, but from two different angles.
I interview living witnesses and uncover buried secrets from the property's past.
While Amy communicates with the dead.
Every once in a while, Amy and I get called in to investigate a well-known location.
This is one of those times.
I'm in rural Iowa, heading over to the infamous Villisca ax murder house.
Now, here's what Amy and I both know going into this case.
June 9th, 1912.
Six members of the Moore family, and two young girls who will be spending the night with them as house guests Walk back from the church along a country road.
Around 9:30 P.
M.
they arrive home.
The following morning, they will all be found dead.
All murdered by a swing of an ax to the head.
Despite countless theories and two sensational trials No one has ever been brought to justice.
And the Villisca Ax Murders remain on of the world's most horrific unsolved crimes.
But here's what Amy doesn't know We've actually been called in by a guy that leads tours in the ax murder house.
He thinks something has followed him home and is terrorizing his family.
He sounds pretty concerned, and I'm hoping Amy and I can help him out.
Matthew: Even though Amy knows where she's going I still have to cover anything that may influence her findings.
But what she doesn't know, is that she'll also be walking the client's home next door.
So, it's important I take my time there to remove any leading information.
In my opening, I met this woman who's here with me.
Okay.
She's all disfigured, and she is very angry.
Uh, about everything.
She feels responsible.
Uh, because she either let someone in or let them stay.
But I hear from someone else that it's actually her husband's fault.
This doesn't feel right.
_.
John, so this is the actual house where the murders took place.
- Exactly.
- Okay.
- You don't live here, though? - No.
I live right next door, where the neighbor that found the bodies used to live.
- Okay.
Now, what do you do? - I do the history tours.
We'll tell people about what happened going into the trials afterwards.
Okay.
But pretty soon, as I started spending a lot of time here, I thought, in my head, I'm gonna solve this case.
And, you know, once I really started delving into it I've become obsessed with it.
John, let me ask you, why'd you call us in, then? I'm concerned that something over here followed me next door.
I have a wife, a And we're getting scared at some of the things that's happening.
So, what kind of things are you experiencing at your house? There's a lot doors opening and closing, uh The back aches, the neck aches.
And I would hear growling noises, scratching noises, things like that.
So, were you experiencing stuff here first, and then it start happening at your house? Yeah, I started experiencing things here first, and that's what really drew me into it.
I thought, wow, is this stuff really happening? Okay.
What are you hoping we can do for you? If something's following me home from work at my house, I don't want that there.
I want a safe, happy home, and to really just get on with the rest of my life.
So, why don't you show me what's happening here, before we go over to your house.
Follow me.
Amy: Mm.
Matthew: What's wrong? I'm just hearing someone saying "There wasn't anywhere to run".
[Floor creaking.]
What's going on? I just feel a lot Of pain right here.
I can't breathe.
_.
So, this is where Ina and Lena Stillinger were found, the two overnight guests.
Steve: Wow.
Okay.
So, what's going on in here? A lot of nausea, feeling sick, neck hurting, back hurting.
Do you feel this when you're away from the house? No.
Walk outside [Snaps.]
gone.
Instantly.
Wow.
In this room, I've heard a lot of loud growling.
And not animal growls.
This was kind of a growl, gasp, moan combined, if that makes sense.
From a human? The growl did not sound human.
The gasp and moan afterwards sounded very feminine.
You don't think that has something to do with the fact that you know two little girls were murdered in here? Like, maybe it's something you might've imagined? No.
It was definitely loud and real.
Okay.
There's two females Maybe 8 or 9.
One of them likes to scare people.
She growls.
She's like, sometimes I like to go [Growls.]
Like that, she says.
And I think they would hear her and feel her before they saw her.
Okay.
And with them, I'm getting pain here.
Oh, a lot of pain here.
Oh [Bleep.]
.
_.
John: This was the home of Mary Peckham, the lady that found the bodies that morning.
Steve: Okay.
What are you experiencing in this house? My wife had just went to work, my daughter was at preschool.
And I hear, "John"! And it startled me.
I jumped and I looked around, and nobody.
I looked out the window and you could see her car going up the street.
There was nobody here.
It wasn't anybody outside trying to get your attention? No.
I looked all around the house.
Okay.
And there was one time, I took the door and I latched it shut.
And, just on a whim, I said, Mary Peckham, or anything to do with the axe murder house, if you're here, open this door now.
And then it slammed open.
Really? Was anybody home? No, I was alone.
Steve: John's story sounded a little too convenient.
So, I started looking for any signs that he might be stretching the truth.
But as far as I could tell, he wasn't lying.
I mean, it's got to be pretty tough on the whole family, right? Yeah.
I don't want anybody in this house scared of anything.
And, at one time, I actually just padlocked the door shut coming up here.
Because it all centers around up here, it seems like.
Okay.
[Door creaking.]
Amy: A lot of the dead people from next door come here live here.
Any idea why? They feel happy.
They're able to be together.
The older woman from outside She's trying to talk to a person here - Okay.
- But she's throwing a fit.
Like, she is going [Bleep.]
crazy.
The second this woman steps into this room, she becomes filled with rage.
She's had it with the living, and all of her anger is directed at one man.
She's saying, you're a guilty [Bleep.]
and you know it.
John: I had a couple friends stay the night, they all slept in here.
And the next morning, one said that he woke up to an old woman's distorted face Just right above his.
He was pretty terrified and he said he'd never sleep up here again.
Has anybody else in the house seen this woman? Uh my daughter has talked about a woman she's seen.
Okay.
And what does she describe? Right when we moved in, she started talking about Hattie.
I said, who is Hattie? She goes, that's the woman upstairs.
How do you talk about ghosts to a 4-year-old? Right.
I'm gonna hit you with a question that you may not like.
Now, what if Amy comes in and she says, listen to me, you need to move.
It's just not that easy.
We can't just pick up and move.
And kind of the way I see it, I often wonder is it fate that I'm supposed to be here? Could be that it's time for me to live here with my family.
Okay.
The woman, she's definitely doing some creepy [Bleep.]
around here.
Like what? You know, somebody's seen an apparition of her many times.
But it's not normal, she doesn't look normal.
What does it look like? She's messed up.
Like Like all Weird.
I'm pretty [Bleep.]
sure she's haunting these people.
[Whispers.]
[Birds chirping.]
So, Martha, I was talking to John and he said that you own this place.
Yes, I do.
My husband and I, Darwin, purchased the house in 1994.
Let me ask you a question, did you guys know that this place might've had some paranormal stuff going on? No.
When we purchased it, we purchased it simply because of the historical value that it had.
Do you think, maybe all these paranormal groups coming through may be stirring some stuff up in the house? The paranormal groups like to tell you that perhaps the paranormal activity started when we restored it back to what it looked like in 1912.
Because a lot of the people that had lived here in the modern world, didn't seem to experience anything.
Are you worried about the guests that come through here, or the people that work for you? - No.
No, I'm not.
- No? - Not worried about what's going on here? - No.
This is a little bit of a different situation here.
Usually, go to people's homes, where they live, and my partner gives them advice.
What if she suggested that you stop doing the tours here? I would listen to what you had to say, I'll take it to heart But I probably will not discontinue what I'm doing.
She says, like, they deserve it.
They deserve to suffer, or they deserved to suffer.
And I'm like, well, why? She's like, this is what they get.
They deserve it.
She's adamant about this.
The angry woman I met outside is furious with the living here.
She wants them to experience the same pain she feels all the time.
I mean, she's definitely about wanting someone to suffer.
But they better not think that she's kidding, because she's not.
So, Kristy, I was talking to John, and he said you also give tours here yourself.
- Yes, I do.
- Okay.
And you've had experiences? Yeah, I have.
I've had many.
Are you okay? Because you seem a little on edge.
I I don't like being upstairs.
I've had many experiences up here, and it's - It makes me very uncomfortable.
- Can you tell me about 'em? Yes.
I was doing a tour and um I heard footsteps coming up the stairs behind me.
There was nobody else downstairs, everybody was upstairs.
- Okay, so you heard footsteps coming.
- I heard footsteps coming up.
I ran through that bedroom screaming into here.
And um This one guy followed me in and he said, I heard those footsteps, too.
- He didn't know why I took off running.
- Anything else? Well, one time I got my hair ruffled.
- Okay.
- And another time, I was touched.
- Was it anything inappropriate? - Yeah.
- It was? - Mm hmm.
Kristy, with all you've experienced in the house, do you think whatever's here is dangerous? Yeah, I think so.
- So, why don't we go, because - Okay.
Thanks for even doing this.
So, there's a male in there who's like, come on in here, you [Bleep.]
! Come on in.
I don't feel good.
So much uh Commotion and movement and Fear and panic and pain.
And there's so There's a lot of people in the house.
When all this is there's so many people in the house.
All of these people are trapped here.
Especially these three kids.
[Whispers.]
I know most of the basic facts about the Villisca Ax Murders.
But in order to help my clients, I need to speak with the foremost expert on the case.
I need him to tell me what happened the night that two adults, and six children were murdered on the property I'm investigating.
It remains one of the more spectacular cases in Iowa history.
- There were eight people killed.
- Okay.
You had Joe and Sarah Moore and their four children.
Here's two of the kids.
And then, there were two girls visiting that night.
- Okay.
- And they were the Stillinger girls.
Ina and Lena.
Can you just take me back to what happened leading up to the murders? Sunday night, the 9th of June, they all went to church together.
Okay.
They were having a special service, which was called the children's day service.
They had a guest that night, a minister, Lyn George Jacklin Kelly.
Never been in Villisca before.
And he was going to later be accused of the murder and tried for it.
But acquitted.
And then, the eight of them were going home.
And there's a rumor at least, that one of the children thought they saw somebody in the bushes.
I'm seeing this man Standing In the trees, watching.
He was angry and jealous, and I hear somebody say that he was very religious.
Then, the next morning, the next house west from theirs Noticed that there was no activity around the Moore house.
That's the house where my client's living now.
Yep.
Peckham shouted, knocked on the door, got no response.
She called Joe's brother.
He and Mrs.
Peckham walk through the front parlor to a back bedroom.
Lying in the bed were two figures.
Okay.
On the bedstead behind them, there were there was blood.
And they called for the town marshal.
So, he looks around the room, and the killer has taken a A woman's black skirt out of a dresser and draped it over the mirror.
The ax is leaning against the south wall.
And it's got blood and hair on it.
They had all been killed with the back of the ax.
Mrs.
Moore, she was the only one struck with the blade of the ax.
Interesting.
And they were so disfigured, they were mutilated beyond recognition.
And their faces had been covered with a piece of clothing.
And then the covers had been pulled over them.
And leaning beside the ax is a four-pound piece of slab bacon.
That's odd.
Now, was there any theory about the bacon? There was one theory, that the killer Rolled it into a tube and used it as a masturbatory aid.
Wow.
Serial killer pops in my head.
Mm-hmm.
Amy: I just hear crying.
A lot of crying.
And I do see somebody being dragged across the floor.
And I hear a male voice saying, it's gonna be okay.
It's gonna be okay.
This kid knew this guy.
She knows this person very well, very well.
Okay.
And there was struggling.
What is going on here? There's, like, physical Stuff happening.
Like, there's a man saying, make sure that they're dead.
Uh, make sure.
Make sure.
[Whispers.]
Amy: There's a man saying, make sure that they're dead.
Make sure.
There's the woman again.
She says, how can you let them do this? How can you let them do this? Aren't they your friends? Like, she's hysterically crying.
Steve: I need to find out what kind of evidence the cops collected when they got to the scene.
So, I'm heading to the state capital to meet with the County Sheriff.
And he said he can tell me exactly what they found, and why it led them to narrow down their suspect list to four men.
- Hey, Joe.
- Hi, Steve.
How are you doing? Thanks for meeting me, I appreciate it.
Now, I wanted to talk to another cop about this.
I mean, can you take me through the crime scene itself? Basically, the crime scene was quickly deteriorated by a whole barrage of people going through there.
It was tainted.
So, you had civilians walking through the crime scene? - That's right.
- Wow, okay.
I know this guy Kelly was arrested and charged.
Reverend George Kelly.
He was one of the four suspects.
The first suspect would've been F.
F.
Jones.
Mr.
Moore had worked for him for nine years.
They got into a disagreement over wages.
Mr.
Moore went on his own.
And when he left, he took one of Mr.
Jones' biggest customers.
Also, there was the rumor that Mr.
Moore was having an affair.
With his daughter-in-law.
- F.
F.
's daughter-in-law? - That's right.
Doesn't sound like it was enough for him to kill six kids.
Well, that's where suspect number two comes in.
William Blackie Mansfield.
It is rumored Mr.
Jones had hired Mr.
Mansfield To do his dirty work.
Did they ever bring him in, charge him, or anything? He had an alibi.
He was actually in Chicago, Illinois, working, at the time.
Henry Lee Moore.
Well, he looks the part, that's for sure.
Yes, he does.
He wound up, two years later Murdering his own mother and Grandmother in Columbia, Missouri.
- And how'd he do that? - With an ax.
- Bludgeoned them to death.
- Okay.
- But, he's arrested and charged, I guess? - He had an alibi.
The only one that was ever arrested and charged Was reverend George Kelly.
Joe, what wound up leading the guys to arrest him? Someone said that they overheard him talking about the murders when he was leaving that morning.
He caught the 5:30 train out of Villisca.
And they didn't discover the murders until around 7:00 A.
M.
Well, it was several years later that they arrested him.
He's the one that was charged.
- But acquitted twice.
- Acquitted twice.
And so, the case is still open today.
Amy: There was a deal, and it went wrong.
There are four men involved.
I did hear, um, like Conspiracy [Bleep.]
.
Like, a cover-up.
These men had marks on them.
Scratches and I just hear men talking to each other about making sure that it's done.
Not everyone was supposed to die.
Now that I know that Reverend Kelly went on trial for the Villisca Ax Murders.
I'm meeting a crime historian who is going to explain to me why there was no justice for the victims of this brutal crime.
This was the room where Reverend Kelly stood trial twice for the Villisca Ax Murders.
- So, what happened with the first trial? - The first trial ended in a hung jury.
So, what went wrong? The state had a pretty strong case.
There was, of course, a confession by Kelly.
- This is it? - Yes.
What was he saying? He heard the voice of God.
Telling him to slay utterly, and it went on in this vein.
Wow.
What other evidence did they have against him? They had what was called the bloody shirt.
A couple of days after the murders, he took one of these white shirts to the laundry in Council Bluffs.
We have a confession.
We have two credible witnesses who say he talked about the murders before the bodies were even found, on the train.
We've got a bloody T-shirt.
To me, it sounds like a pretty decent case.
So, what went wrong? Kelly was a pathetic figure.
He was a very small fellow and he was a minister.
This is the Bible Belt after all, and uh Ministers don't go around killing kids with an ax.
So now, what went wrong on the second trial? The second trial was just, essentially, a rerun that was done rather halfheartedly.
The prosecution, in fact, did not even use the confession in the second trial.
One of these men was really cool with doing this torturing.
He's a little guy.
Probably my height, but really thin, pale.
Uh, his face is weird.
He's a little crazy dude.
During my walk, I saw a group of men conspiring to commit murder.
I'm having a sketch artist draw one of the killers.
He had a very oval kind of shape to his head.
He was very thin.
His hair, definitely, was dark and greasy.
Next, I had him sketch the angry woman screaming at a living man in the other house.
And there's a bed, and there was a person sleeping.
And this lady Was at the end of the bed.
And her face is rage.
Is this what you saw? Yes.
[Whispers.]
_.
Steve: Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations.
We're ready to reveal our findings to each other and our clients for the first time.
Well, Amy, this is an unusual case for both of us, because we both had a little bit of knowledge of the tragedy that had happened in this house.
Now, what you don't know is that we were actually called in by John.
Now, John's a tour guide here.
He actually lives in that house.
He thinks something may have followed him home, and it's terrorizing his family.
Now Kristy here works as a tour guide, as well, and she's terrified in that house.
She doesn't want to leave, but she's afraid to come into this house and work.
Now, I'm curious, Amy, coming into this case, how much did you know about what took place here? Amy: I knew that there was a mass murder that had been committed here.
Of a family, two children were visiting.
That it occurred at night, that it was done with an ax.
And that's about it.
Okay.
So, with that, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy, and she can tell us about her walk.
So this walk, for me, was absolutely overwhelming.
Like, I could not believe that pretty much everybody is still here.
And when I showed up on the location, I felt a lot of pain.
Like, having a hard time breathing and severe back pain.
John, you had mentioned to me about headaches and pain you go through.
John: Being in the house, certain places, certain times, extreme nausea, neck pain, back pain.
Come out of the house, completely fine.
Yeah, mm-hmm.
Kristy: I have trouble breathing sometimes.
It feels like someone's standing on your chest.
One of the strongest entities I met was this woman.
She's pretty short, pale, and she was very spiteful.
Angry, and she made me feel The initial pain.
The other thing is, she would go back and forth about blame.
She feels responsible because she either let someone in or let them stay.
But I hear from someone else that it's actually her husband's fault.
- Now, was she one of the murder victims? - Yes.
- She was? - Yes.
And there's only one woman that was murdered in this house.
This is Sarah Moore.
- That look like who you might've seen? - Yes.
Oh, yes.
She lived here with her husband and four kids.
There was Herman, who was 11.
There was Katherine, who was 10.
And then they had two other kids, Boyd and Paul.
Seven and five.
Now, you mentioned the woman you saw was angry.
Yes.
That's interesting because Sarah Moore was the only one that was hit with the sharp end of the ax.
The rest of them were hit with the back end of the ax.
Really? So, John, how do you feel knowing that one of the murder victims is actually here in the house, and she's pissed? John: Definitely sad.
You know, nobody wants anybody stuck.
What else? In the downstairs bedroom there's two girls, but there was one girl, specifically, who enjoys interacting with the living.
She tries to get attention.
She tries to talk to people And she likes to growl.
The growling that I've heard is in that exact bedroom.
It was a growl, gasp, moan, kind of combined all together.
You know that there were the two visiting Stillinger kids? - Yes.
- All right.
Those were the two girls that were murdered in the downstairs bedroom.
This is Lena, who was 11.
This is Ina.
She was 8 years old.
Which one do you think might be the one interacting? I think it's her.
- Lena? - Yeah.
She's the most active one, and wants feedback and reactions.
She wants attention.
So, as far as what happened, it was really hard to piece together what I think are the facts.
There was a lot of chaos going on.
Like, I did hear a man saying that it's gonna be okay.
It's gonna be okay.
I heard someone else say, there's no place to run.
And then, I saw her Getting dragged across the room by her leg.
And she had this confused look on her face, because she knew this man.
And then I heard a male say, make sure they're all dead.
When I went upstairs, I saw the woman, Sarah.
She was huddled in the corner, holding a small child, and she was screaming, why aren't you doing anything? How can you let them do this? You know.
Aren't they your friends? And the killer was talking about how something went wrong.
It wasn't supposed to happen like this.
His meaning was that not everybody in the house was supposed to die.
But something went wrong, a deal went wrong, and this was focused on revenge.
And I believe there were four men involved.
She amazes me one case after the next I can tell you I'm always blown away by her.
But I got to respectfully disagree with her.
I don't see it happening that way.
There were four suspects, though.
Interesting.
First one was a guy that was Moore's boss.
This guy, F.
F.
Jones.
When Moore left the business He actually took the biggest account that they had and took it with them.
Yeah.
I think that's it.
Also, there was a rumor that J.
B.
Moore was having an affair with his daughter-in-law.
Oh, that's why.
But you don't kill six children over an affair.
The second major suspect was a guy named Blackie Mansfield.
It was said that F.
F.
Jones hired him to kill the family.
But, he had an alibi and he couldn't have been in Villisca at the time.
So, it was dismissed.
Then you've got Henry Lee Moore, no relation to the family.
He was a drifter, but nobody could place him in Villisca the night of the homicide.
Which brings us to reverend George Kelly.
This guy was in town the night of the homicides.
He attended the church that the entire Moore family was at that night.
He's put on trial twice.
First trial was a hung jury.
Second time, he was acquitted.
Now, one of the things they had on him The next morning he gets on the train at 5:30 in the morning, and he discusses the murder that took place at this house.
The bodies weren't discovered until 7:00 in the morning.
So, how would he know about that? Second this is, a few days later, he drops off a bloody T-shirt to a dry cleaner.
And he wrote out a confession.
He puts himself here.
Says he's killed the Moores.
Said God made him do it.
Well, one of the men who was active in the murders, I met in the barn.
He was short, very thin and pale.
He really enjoyed, like, torturing them.
I got a really quick look at him, but I did a sketch anyway.
Wow.
Take a look at that.
Wow.
Yeah, that definitely resembles Reverend Kelly.
Oh, yeah.
It looks like the same man.
Amy, what do you think? Is this Kelly? - Yes.
- Okay.
But he's not the only one.
He's just one of 'em.
I agree with her.
Okay.
How did one person control eight people, and nobody got out? Mm-hmm.
Anything's possible.
I'd never throw anything off the table.
My experience working homicide tells me serial killers almost always act alone.
But I've worked with Amy long enough to know that she see things no one else has.
And if she thinks more than one man committed those murders, I can't find any evidence to prove or disprove her theory.
I am glad that we both agree that this scumbag was involved in the homicide.
Without a doubt, yeah.
Well, we didn't just come here to investigate what might've happened here.
But also, he's having issues in his house, which you also walked, right? - Yes.
- Okay.
When I was over there, I Saw that most of the family go hang out in there.
It was nice downstairs.
Then, I'm, like, walking up the stairs and almost when you hit The floor, it was just complete anger.
With her.
If I were you, I would be very careful in this house.
It's pretty intense.
[Whispers.]
Then, I'm, like, walking up the stairs and almost when you hit The floor, it was just complete anger.
With her.
If I were you, I would be very careful in this house.
John: The whole downstairs has always seemed very peaceful and welcoming.
But the upstairs has always been full of footsteps and doors opening and closing and noises and Well, it was so bad he moved his family from upstairs to downstairs.
When I saw her upstairs, she's, like, in a blind rage.
She makes it a point to haunt the living people.
She said that the living people up there deserve it.
I got that she does direct her anger towards a male.
And it didn't make sense, because she blames him for what happened.
Well, John admitted to me that he was pretty much obsessed about this case.
For me, I felt a genuine love for this family.
And I thought if I find out who did this, then maybe they can be at peace and be happy.
I felt like I was called to do that, like I had to figure out In my head, who did it, for the family.
So I did a sketch of A situation that I saw at the other house.
And it was of Sarah Going crazy.
And yelling.
Looks like she's wigging out.
It's not a good feeling to Do something you love, and trying to do it in a good way.
And have that person angry.
Well, this was a pretty intense case for both Amy and I.
And you've got to be relieved that you finally know what's going on here.
Mm-hmm.
But, the big question is, can you guys live and work here safely? For that, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy and see if she can come up with an answer.
What happened here is absolutely horrendous.
Mm-hmm.
These people, from the day that this happened.
Have never had any kind of peace.
Not only are they reliving What happened to them constantly.
They're also seeing other people coming and going, and it's made to be a sideshow.
And it needs to stop.
Because if this continues to stay a tourist attraction, I don't think they're gonna find any peace.
I did speak with the owner, Martha.
And I can tell you after speaking with her that, she is not gonna change the way things are done here.
So, John, would you ever consider talking to the owner and asking to change, or do you think it'd be a waste of time? We don't want it to be disrespectful.
I know Martha's intentions are right on.
She doesn't want it to be disrespectful.
And the way I give my tours, I need to just delve on the history, you know? We want to honor the family and we want to do good.
She had a message to get through to you on how to change things, and you've gotten that.
And that is what's going to give this family peace.
So you were chosen.
- How does that make you feel? - Really shocked.
There's a reason I ended up here, and I never understood why.
I know, John, that you're not in a position to make decisions here On changing things, but are you gonna do what you can? Absolutely.
We all want the best for them here.
Kristy: It'd be nice to enter the house and not be nervous and scared.
Amy: I wish the tours could stop completely.
But I'm encouraged that John and Kristy promise to limit the tours to the history of the house.
It seems to be a story that the dead in this place want told.
And it should help bring them peace, at least for now.
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