The Dead Files (2011) s06e11 Episode Script
Living Nightmare - Flint, MI
He has oftentimes tried to destroy this house.
This is not her house.
He's a very violent person.
It's like it's taking, you know, over her life.
- What did the voice says? - "Leave.
" Her family was haunted.
This is not good.
There's a lot of chaotic energy, and he'll flip out.
She's not okay.
She's a disaster.
"You're mine.
You can't escape.
" My name is Amy Allan.
What's happening? I see dead people.
It seems like a devil.
I speak to dead people.
He's pissed off.
And they speak to me.
I felt real fear.
But there's only one way to know if my findings are real.
I think she's being murdered.
I rely on my partner.
I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
I'm a retired New York City homicide detective.
Serial killer pops in my head.
And I know every person, every house has secrets.
Nobody believes me.
It's my job to reveal them.
- Do you think there's still bodies there? - I do.
But Steve and I never speak We never communicate during an investigation.
Until the very end.
You got problems, I got news for you.
When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay This is our house whether they like it or not.
Or time to get out.
This is their house, the house of the dead.
I'm back in Flint, Michigan.
I got a call from a local sheriff who's literally scared for his mom's life, and he's not talking about street crime.
He says there's something in the house that's really trying to hurt her, and he has no idea how to fight it.
Hopefully, Amy and I can help him out.
Before Amy arrives, I look for any leading information.
This house is filled with photos and religious symbols.
Once they're covered or removed, the location will be ready for tonight's walk.
As soon as we pulled into the neighborhood, I feel horribly ill, dizzy, nauseous, panic, and this anxiety because of whatever happened here.
It definitely is very present, and my head is like [bleep.]
killing me, like, all the back of my head is just killing me.
[Bleep.]
Ugh.
Well, Ryan, I'm glad to be here, especially knowing you're a fellow cop.
- You called because of your mom.
- Yes.
And she's going through some tough times here.
Correct.
My mom lives here alone.
She's had multiple things happen here, and it just seems to have gradually escalated, and she told me that every night something occurs, whether it's a noise, seeing apparitions, stuff getting thrown, feeling like something's standing at the end of her bed, something getting in the bed with her.
I know my mom.
If she says something's going on, I know something's legitimately going on.
Now, how long has she been here? Seven years.
Did you ask her to move? No, because I know she couldn't.
Financially, times aren't the best for anybody.
So, let me ask you another question, what do you think is going on in this house? According to the neighbors, somebody passed away in here.
- Okay.
- Previous owner.
And I think it's probably him.
I don't know much about it, but I could've researched what exactly happened here, obviously being in law enforcement - Right - a lot more than I did.
And I guess that's because I didn't really want to know.
Now, it's got to be tough for you knowing your mom's here alone.
Yes.
I mean, she's not comfortable in her house.
You want to be comfortable when you come home from work.
You want to feel safe.
She doesn't.
If my mom's not comfortable in her house, I don't feel comfortable bringing my wife who's pregnant and my baby in this house.
There is definitely something here.
Oh, there's something wrong with the [bleep.]
tree.
What do you mean? Very bad things have happened.
Several people have been injured.
I feel like a kid got hurt, like, I'm actually seeing these weird things in the trees.
They're walking around, breaking branches.
I don't know if they're dead people or something else.
They definitely can shape shift.
What's gonna scare you is what they're gonna show you.
Yeah.
There's some creepy [bleep.]
Now, Ryan, why'd you bring me into this bedroom? Well, this is where I stayed for the couple of months that I lived here with my mother, and this is where the situation occurred that started making me look into, you know, exactly what was going on here.
Okay, what happened? Well, I was sleeping, and then the next thing I know, woke up for 15 seconds.
I was pinned down in my bed, and it was like I was paralyzed.
I couldn't do anything.
And I saw him holding me down.
He was right in my face laughing, like, "I'm doing this to you, and you can't do anything about it.
" Okay, were you dreaming? No.
I mean, I was clear-minded.
I knew where I was at.
Now, Ryan, after experiencing what you did, and knowing what your mom's going through, I mean, that's got to have you worried that every night she comes into the house alone.
This is not her house.
What the hell? I'm seeing, like, this guy.
He's, like, a big guy built, tough and he's naked, and he has, like, a crust all over his body.
He told me that he was a convict and a felon.
He definitely acts out a lot.
The man does not like anyone in here.
Anybody in here is gonna get it.
And I do see him, like, coming up and, like, you know, just, like, bam! Bam! Over and over and over and over.
He pretty much hated any everyone when he was alive, and he hates everybody now.
I think he's even lifted the bed.
To the living, it kind of looks like a big, black shadow entity, you know, like, just looming and just [bleep.]
going nuts.
Now, Cyndi, you're Dawn's younger sister.
Yes.
Now, you know your sister better than anybody, I would think.
Have you seen any change in her? Yes.
A lot.
- In what way? - It's this home.
It's like it's taking, you know, over her life, like a man takes over a woman's life - Right.
Right - controlling man.
And it doesn't want her to go anywhere.
Okay, so, now, the obvious question I'm gonna ask you is, have you had any experiences while you've been here? Yes, I have.
Well, Dawn and I were down here, and I was standing, like, with my back towards the fire burner, and I feel like a quick tug on my shirt.
Did you get caught up on anything? Were you moving or were you standing next to? No, I was in the middle of the room.
That's strange.
Anything else? A couple months ago, I thought I saw a man standing at the bottom of the stairs.
- Of these stairs? - Yes.
Like, watching me come in.
Okay, what did it look like? It was just a shadow of a man.
It was so dark, I couldn't see through it.
I don't like it being here right now.
Now, Dawn's here alone.
I'm curious what your opinion is as to whatever's here wants from her? Her.
Her.
Meaning? Soul.
- Really? - Mm-hmm.
All right.
- Sorry.
- It's okay.
_ That's your sister.
Seeing that convict, this is his area.
Oh, he's pretty physical, like, he's pretty a solid person.
I think they do feel him pulling people, like, grabbing their arms, like, "Get over here!" or "I'm trying to talk to you!" He's like, "I'm good.
I can do this.
" He has oftentimes tried to destroy this house, and then the walls won't be able to hold him anymore.
How does he try to do that? Well, he was showing me with the oven and the gas Yeah, like, I wouldn't want to be down here with that.
And he was [bleep.]
around with gas.
So, I talked to your son.
I talked to you sister.
They're worried about you.
Yeah.
I'm not as outgoing and as happy as I used to be.
I'm just getting so used to things going on that it's just, like, "Oh, it happened again," or I hear a noise, and it's like, "Okay, it's in here.
" So, do you think that whatever's here is controlling you? Probably.
Your son don't want to bring his family here.
And I just feel like whatever's here enjoys that, that way I'm by myself.
I feel watched.
I'm not alone.
I'm just with it, whatever's here.
Now, knowing you've had experiences throughout the house, is there any place you can show me? Sure.
Yeah.
Okay.
I don't spend time down here 'cause it gives me the creeps.
What's going on? Well, I've heard a voice.
So, what did the voice say? It said, "Leave.
" I left very quickly.
Could you tell if it was a male or a female voice? To me, it sounded like a man.
Was it threatening? Yeah, to me, it felt threatening, when somebody tells you to leave your own home.
Anything else? I was coming in from the garage, I heard a squeaky noise, and I looked down, and I see my basement door opening.
There was no wind, nothing, and I saw it open halfway, it stopped.
And I just ran out in the front yard and called my sister.
- Nobody was in the house, I assume? - No.
Now, I notice that you're visibly more nervous talking inside the house here.
Oh, very nervous.
I normally don't talk about it in the house, because I feel as if when I do, there's gonna be more activity at night.
Okay, so you feel us talking about this inside the house is gonna make things worse here? Oh, definitely tonight.
So, I'm seeing a big guy.
One thing that he likes to do, you know, like, slamming doors.
He'll flip out and he'll, like, throw a fit, and, like, you know, bashing himself, like, full body, like, into the walls.
And that's something that the living would experience? Yeah.
Yes.
There's a lot of chaotic energy.
He's very good at, like, throwing his [bleep.]
on other people.
Like, in life he could hit them, you know, in death he can be as physical as he can be so, like, "Feel that.
Take that.
Feel that.
" He's really, really good at that.
Okay.
This is a storage room, I guess, right? This is my storage room.
I only come in here when I need to get something out.
What the hell is this? Well, one day I came in, and I keep a bouquet of flowers in this box.
Okay.
And when I came in, one single flower from that bouquet was in the middle of the floor.
So, could have somebody come down here and moved the flower? No.
Nobody comes into the house.
So, what's with the frames? It's Christian, and I just felt safer putting them there.
When did this happen, a week like, a couple days ago? No, it's been at least three years.
It's been like this for three years? Yeah, at least three years.
And you've left it here on the floor? I left it on the floor.
And if I ever come down here to get something, I just walk around it.
Okay.
And what do you think the meaning of the flower was? That whatever's here, it's wanted me to accept the flower.
And I said right out loud, "I am not accepting this flower.
I'm leaving it right here.
" A woman is crying a lot down here.
I think she's not okay.
Mentally, she's not okay.
She's a disaster.
Very thin.
She's decaying, and it hurts also in the back of the neck.
It hurts.
Ahh, and she said Ow! [Bleep.]
Man, it hurts really [bleep.]
bad.
Oh, my god.
I don't know how old she is, mid-20s maybe.
Very depressed all the time.
How would the living experience that? They would feel her.
They would feel a lot of stress.
They would feel her get into bed with them, sleeping there, talking to them, touching, caressing, like petting almost, like petting them, and snuggling, like, trying to snuggle up.
She wants a mom and a dad.
This is a very active room.
Okay.
What's going on? I was sleeping on my back, and something leaned over and gave me a kiss, like it was a goodnight kiss.
Not in a romantic way? Not in a romantic way at all.
Anything else going on in here? When I'm sleeping, it will come and sit down on the bed, and I wake up because I can feel something going down on the bed Okay.
As if someone's sitting down on the bed.
I just can't move.
I'm trying everything, and I can't move.
I've tried ignoring it I guess I can't ignore it anymore.
I want my granddaughter to be able to spend the night.
Doing these investigations for as long as I've been doing them now, everything you're describing to me, this is not good.
I'm glad your son called when he did.
You know, putting your head in the sand doesn't help.
Look, I've done it for what? It's almost six years now.
Well, I hope you know that I believe what you're telling me.
Thank you.
The depressed girl likes it in here a lot.
This is her bed her bedroom.
She comes here.
She likes to sleep on that side.
She would like to just stay up here all the time, but she can't.
She goes from the basement to here.
She'll walk down the hallway, and I think that people have seen her walking in the hallway.
But when the living come, she hangs on to them.
Yesterday Ryan told me he thought somebody passed away at his mom's home, so I made a few calls, and it turns out it's true.
I'm on my way back to Dawn's place to meet the previous owner, who tells me her husband died unexpectedly right inside the house.
Let me ask you a question.
Are you a little sad being back here? Just feel kind of funny.
Funny? I feel like crying.
How long did you guys live here for? We lived here a couple of years.
Do you remember the years that you were here? I think maybe around 2003.
He passed away in 2005.
He died in the house? He died in the master bathroom.
Was it sudden? Yeah.
Very sudden.
He was 52, I believe.
- Okay.
- I didn't find him right away.
I was bringing in some of the groceries, and I thought it strange that he wasn't out there helping me.
It was just a little unnerving when I kept calling his name Okay.
And he never responded.
I'm sorry to bring this up.
It's okay.
Okay? Yeah? - You okay? - Yeah.
You sure? All right.
I know this is tough, and I really appreciate you helping me.
Thank you.
What did he do for a living? He was a career soldier, 23 1/2 years.
This is a picture when my husband came home from the Gulf War.
What kind of guy was he? He was very fun-loving, he liked to be the clown.
Go to family reunions.
This is one photo that we had taken, I believe it was on one of our anniversaries in Hawaii.
That's where we were stationed.
I miss him a lot still.
- I got to ask you an odd question.
- Okay.
When you did live here, did you ever have anything happen here that you experienced that you can't explain? Mm-hmm.
Yes.
- You did.
- Definitely.
I always felt somebody was staring at me.
After he died, I could really feel like maybe he was the one.
You think maybe he was here right after he died in the house? I think so.
Just for a little while.
It was a good feeling with that.
I feel like there is another shadow entity, like, crawling down the hallway.
It's, like, really fast.
In military they train you, like that movement when they're crawling.
It's, like, nighttime, somebody looking down the hall is seeing this thing coming at them like this.
He's confused about where he is.
That's why I say military, 'cause it's almost like he's doing tactical assessing, you know? Like he doesn't know he's in a house.
Do you know if he interacts with the living? I saw this kid seeing a shadow person crawling down the hallway.
Was in a crib.
Probably two or three years old.
Now, in just about every investigation, I reach out to a local historian to see if they know anything about my client's property.
I just got a call from a local archivist who says he hit pay dirt.
It seems the original owner of Dawn's land suffered a lot.
I'm heading over to meet with him now to see what he found out.
Now, you mentioned on the phone that the original owners of my client's property had a rough go of it.
What do you know about them? The Utley family came here around 1848 from New York State.
More than likely, they're Methodist.
John came out here with his wife, Lydia, and their four children.
Well, you mentioned they had a tragic time on the land, what'd you mean? Well, they had 16 grandchildren between the three sons.
And six of them died fairly young, before age 15.
- That's a lot.
- That's quite a few.
We do know that they had a set of twins, a boy and a girl, and they died at age one day, no cause of death listed.
Okay.
And then a grandson, Clarence, who died at 15 years, 5 months from dropsy.
All right.
What about the other three? We have no idea.
They all died before death records.
Well, that's a lot of tragedy for just one family.
Those weren't the only deaths.
The one daughter-in-law died at age 41.
Now, Michael, you mentioned the original owners were John and Lydia.
Now, what winded up happening to them? Lydia died in 1861.
She was in her 60s.
Then John dies, 1874.
He's 86.
We're talking about a lot of tragedy here.
Talking about six grandchildren, a daughter-in-law, and John and Lydia all dying on the property.
Yes, in a short period of time.
I see this little woman.
She's, like, very motherly and very nurturing.
She is thrilled that this is happening, which is strange, because she's religious.
I want to say that she's Christian.
She's excited that we're here.
I think she had several sons.
She says that the family her family was haunted.
She thought, "Oh, it's a family curse.
" I thought that they were demons and that the family was for some reason being haunted or tormented by these things through the generations.
She was just hoping and praying that it wouldn't happen to her sons, but now, you know, and now she feels bad, because it did, and it is, and it's not gonna stop.
I've already uncovered 10 people who died on Dawn's property, eight of them way too young, but I still need to see if there's anything else that might help my investigation.
Searching through the archives, I find one of Flint's most notorious criminals Tommie Nesbitt.
Turns out he lived right next door to my client's property.
I don't know if it's gonna help my case or not, but I got to know more about it.
I made some calls, and reached a retired detective who said he's gonna look into it for me.
So, Robert, what were you able to find out about this Tommie Nesbitt guy? He apparently likes to be in jail.
Okay.
He became a thief at the age of 12.
He was caught stealing from orchards adjacent to his neighborhood.
I got to assume we're not sitting here because this kid just stole fruit.
No.
But the crimes increased and escalated.
By the time he was 13, he was sent away to juvenile hall.
His first prison time was for breaking into trains and stealing mittens and gloves.
Once he got out of prison, did he straighten out? No.
He continued to commit crimes.
In 1904, Tommie robbed a hobo on one of the trains, and the train was moving, and during the robbery, the hobo fell off the train and eventually died from his injuries that he received.
And he winds up in the fight, throwing him off the train? Yep.
And Tommie was charged with robbery and sent to Marquette Prison for 5 to 25 years.
He told the justice that he wanted to be a world-class bank robber.
How much time does he wind up doing? Seven years.
- Seven years.
- Yes.
All right, so do they parole him? Well, his mother became sick at that time, and when he was in prison he learned he had tuberculosis, or TB.
That was one of the reasons they sent him home, both his mother was sick and he was sick.
They spent a lot of time talking about this kid, like he was a real famous criminal here.
Well, he was famous.
Some of the articles referred to it as, "Tommie's in jail again," or something, but first name only.
So, what winds up happening to this guy? Well, he came home.
And 30 days after that or a month after that, his mother died from her disease.
And in June of 1912, he died of TB.
So, this kid was just born bad, basically? I would think so.
I'm seeing the big violent guy again.
This guy causes problems.
He said he's a convict and a felon, and he has a gun.
He's spinning the gun.
And he's like, "Aw, sometimes you got to play the game.
" This big guy is the most advanced and dangerous entity in the house.
I'm going back downstairs to see if I can get any more information about what he was like in life.
He was a very violent person.
He was always carrying a gun, you know, he always had to take care of business.
I encountered a lot of dead people during my walk, but the dead woman interacting with the living concerns me the most.
There's two people in the bed, and then there's a dead female who is in the bed in between them, but she's kind of cuddling the person to the left.
She has long hair.
She's pretty thin.
She has dark circles under her eyes, you know, sunken cheeks.
Is this what you saw? Yes.
That's what I saw.
Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations, we're ready to reveal our findings to each other and our clients for the first time.
Well, Amy, I'd like you to meet Dawn.
This is her home.
She lives here alone.
Now, the reason we're here is 'cause her son Ryan and her sister Cyndi are really worried about her.
She actually thinks that something in this house is trying to take her sister's soul.
Now, when I spoke to Dawn, it seems like she was in denial, but the more I was talking to her, the more I think she's ready to face what's going on in this house, and meet it head-on and fight it.
With that, I'm gonna have Amy tell us about what she saw on her walk.
When I walked in the house, I saw an elderly woman.
She is extremely religious.
She's very motherly, very nurturing.
She said that she had several sons, that she was very proud of them.
But she did have a regret, and that was not telling her sons that she felt their family was being haunted by demons.
And she didn't tell them because she was praying that it wouldn't affect them.
- It would go away.
- Right.
And she feels guilty because it ended up that they too were seeing and having experiences.
Well, the only woman that comes even close to that is the original owner of your property.
A woman named Lydia Utley.
She had several sons, and she was a religious woman she was Methodist.
But there was some tragedy in her family.
I came across a whole bunch of death records for the entire family.
- Wow.
- Uh-huh.
Now, the three sons that she did have all lost two kids each on this property.
So she lost six grandchildren, five of them under the age of three.
Now, one of the sons actually had a wife who died at the age of 41.
His name was Asa.
They all died on the property, the whole family did.
Oh, my gosh.
Next, I encountered a male who was tall and thin, and it seemed to me that he seemed lost and confused.
Didn't really know he was, like, in a house.
And he was crawling down the hall, and I think because of how he was doing what he was doing, he probably was military at some point.
And also, I do think that it's very possible that the living might see him as a shadow person.
I was hoping this wasn't gonna happen, but you guys knew that the previous homeowner died here.
His name was Ron.
I was able to talk to his wife and actually meet her in person.
Patsy and Ron wind up moving into your house in 2003.
Now, Ron wind up dying of a massive heart attack suddenly on December 17, 2005.
Amy, you mentioned he may be a military guy, well, Ron wind up serving This is him here.
When I talked to her, she felt that she was still here 'cause she stayed here two years after he passed.
What do you think about this guy? I never encountered him here as a conscious entity.
So, he might have moved on then.
Now, you guys have theories about this guy, so at least now you have an answer about what the deal was.
So, what else? When I was in the basement, there was a male.
- He is a fairly big guy, bald.
- Oh, my gosh.
And he's very solid for a dead person, and I saw him, like, banging up against the walls, like, just like throwing a fit.
So, I feel he can be a physical threat.
He doesn't want to be here anymore, but he is trapped here.
Sometimes he'll be interacting with a living person here.
So, like, grabbing their arm or pulling them.
So, he gets physical in the basement? Yeah.
Well, you've been tugged, right? - Yes.
- Tell Amy about that.
Dawn was showing me her basement, and I felt somebody grab the back of my sweater and tug on it.
And I turned around and there was nothing there.
And I was in the middle of the room.
Now, tell Amy about the door incident.
I came home in the middle of the day, and I heard a noise, the creaking noise, and I looked down and saw the basement door opening.
Didn't you see a shadow at the bottom of the stairs? I was coming in the back door, and out of the corner of my eye I saw a man standing at the bottom of the stairs looking up at me, like, waiting for me.
What did he look like to you? He was just all he was tall, big, and he just stood there like he was something, - that, "I am here.
I'm the boss.
" - Mm-hmm.
When I was upstairs, and I went into the guest bedroom, he was pissed.
That's his area, and he does not like anybody in there.
Basically, he said that anybody who comes in there is gonna get it.
I do see him, like, coming up and, like, you know, just, like, bam! Bam! Over and over and over and over.
I think he's even lifted the bed.
Amy, the one thing I didn't mention to you is that Ryan here is actually a local cop.
Now, being that he's a cop, I take his testimony a little bit more seriously.
Why don't you tell Amy what happened in the guest bedroom to you? It was about a 10- to 15-second situation Okay.
Where my hands were pinned All right up like this.
Okay.
He was looking at me, like, "I can do this to you and I am doing this to you, and I'm gonna do it to you.
" - That sound like the guy? - Yes.
Do you know anything about him, like, when he was alive? He told me that he was a convict and a felon.
Extremely violent and angry person.
He kept showing me a gun that he always had on him, never left his side.
And he kind of indicated to me that he had done bad things with it.
One guy comes to mind.
I don't know if it fits or not, but it's the guy that lived right next door on your property.
This guy named Tommie Nesbitt.
Career criminal.
He's all over the papers.
I mean, every cop in the town knew him.
He winds up doing burglaries on the trains that went through here, and then he robbed a hobo, a bum, and in the fight on the train he fell off the train, and the guy wind up dying.
He went to jail for that, but they didn't charge him with the murder, they only charged him with the robbery.
Now, he wind up only doing seven years, and they did pardon him, but two of the reasons were because he had TB, and his mother was dying.
And when he was released, he wind up coming back here, living with his mom right next door.
Few months later he winds up dying of TB.
He died in 1912.
Kind of sounds like - Uh-huh - this guy.
You're not gonna sleep well tonight.
I haven't.
I don't sleep well most of the time.
- Anyways.
- I've been ignoring it, just hoping it would go away on its own.
Yeah.
It's controlling her a little bit, I think.
He's my biggest concern.
He definitely does pose a real threat.
I mean, in a physical sense.
But he's fixated on getting out of here, and he thinks that the only way to do that at this point is that he wants to destroy the house.
And what he was showing me was gas line and fire.
He better hope I don't pass away any time soon.
Anything else? I went out into the backyard, and as soon as I walked out there, there were these really bad things that would cause accidents and problems and horrible things to happen to people.
And what I saw was, like, all these, like, kind of shapes in the trees and the brush.
They are shape-shifters, so they will project themselves in whatever manner will scare someone.
It's really bad.
They've caused a lot of accidents to happen to people here.
Very bad things have happened to people here.
Well, could that explain some of the deaths the Utley's with their grandkids? That's what I'm thinking.
Now, he won't bring his or his wife who's pregnant now.
Yeah, no way.
Yeah.
These things, they're capable of harming anyone.
And I know it's got to be bothering you a little bit, knowing what's here now.
Not a little bit, a lot.
I won't be able to have Amore here.
So, I ended up going into the storage room.
Sitting there was this frail woman.
She extremely depressed.
I think that you would feel her stress and her sadness.
So, what she does is she tries to come up to the master bedroom all the time.
She wants to snuggle in the bed.
She wants nurturing.
You know, I felt very much like she was acting like a child.
Don't you feel people get on your bed? Right.
But there's been times when I'm sleeping and I feel someone sitting on my bed.
She's had a lot of experiences.
I mean, she's even had a kiss.
I just felt someone knelt down and just gave me a kiss goodnight.
You never told me that.
Could that have been this girl trying to Yes.
I did do a sketch of the girl laying in the bed.
I did do a sketch of the girl laying in the bed.
She looks very sad.
This looks like a male.
What I saw was a male and a female.
Okay.
And her cuddling with the mommy and daddy figure, then she's doing with you, so How does that make you feel, that you're not alone in bed? Not good.
It's more than what I expected.
Well, Dawn, it's a good thing you have a son that worries about you so much, because if he didn't call us in when he did, we don't know what would have happened to you.
Question is, can you have a safe home and make this the place you want to live in, and live comfortably? So, for that answer, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.
For the things in the back, they're some type of elemental, and basically an elemental is a being that never was in human form.
They're not supposed to be bad, but I've encountered quite a few, and I have seen them not be good towards living humans.
So, I think that a shaman should be brought in, and having them do a ritual to set up a permanent boundary to keep those things at bay forever.
Then you could bring the kids over.
The second thing is to have a psychic healer.
So, this person needs to come and go down and talk to the girl in the storage room.
Okay, so this'll get this poor kid out of here.
Yes.
So, now once that happens, will Dawn start feeling any better? Yeah.
You won't get no more sitting on the bed, no more feeling depressed or isolated.
And then, the third thing is hiring a male medium, who's a tough guy, to come in, and he is going to engage crazy guy.
He's going to, basically, have to set this man straight, and move him on.
The elderly woman, once everything has been dealt with and she doesn't feel like there's a threat anymore, she'll leave.
So, you got three major steps, but at the end of all of it, you have your house back.
I mean, do you feel better, Dawn? I just didn't expect all this.
I'm just overwhelmed.
It's not a good feeling.
I feel better.
I mean, based upon what she said.
I mean, if it's fixable.
Something breaks and you can fix it.
That's the goal here, is for you to be happy in your own home, and for your grandchildren to come here and him feel okay about coming here.
That is the goal.
Sorry, Mom, that I haven't brought her over more.
You weren't paranoid.
You had a good reason, but we're gonna fix it.
Dawn finally seems to understand just how active and dangerous her home is, but I believe if she follows my advice, she'll be able to live a peaceful life, where her family will feel safe visiting her.
This is not her house.
He's a very violent person.
It's like it's taking, you know, over her life.
- What did the voice says? - "Leave.
" Her family was haunted.
This is not good.
There's a lot of chaotic energy, and he'll flip out.
She's not okay.
She's a disaster.
"You're mine.
You can't escape.
" My name is Amy Allan.
What's happening? I see dead people.
It seems like a devil.
I speak to dead people.
He's pissed off.
And they speak to me.
I felt real fear.
But there's only one way to know if my findings are real.
I think she's being murdered.
I rely on my partner.
I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
I'm a retired New York City homicide detective.
Serial killer pops in my head.
And I know every person, every house has secrets.
Nobody believes me.
It's my job to reveal them.
- Do you think there's still bodies there? - I do.
But Steve and I never speak We never communicate during an investigation.
Until the very end.
You got problems, I got news for you.
When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay This is our house whether they like it or not.
Or time to get out.
This is their house, the house of the dead.
I'm back in Flint, Michigan.
I got a call from a local sheriff who's literally scared for his mom's life, and he's not talking about street crime.
He says there's something in the house that's really trying to hurt her, and he has no idea how to fight it.
Hopefully, Amy and I can help him out.
Before Amy arrives, I look for any leading information.
This house is filled with photos and religious symbols.
Once they're covered or removed, the location will be ready for tonight's walk.
As soon as we pulled into the neighborhood, I feel horribly ill, dizzy, nauseous, panic, and this anxiety because of whatever happened here.
It definitely is very present, and my head is like [bleep.]
killing me, like, all the back of my head is just killing me.
[Bleep.]
Ugh.
Well, Ryan, I'm glad to be here, especially knowing you're a fellow cop.
- You called because of your mom.
- Yes.
And she's going through some tough times here.
Correct.
My mom lives here alone.
She's had multiple things happen here, and it just seems to have gradually escalated, and she told me that every night something occurs, whether it's a noise, seeing apparitions, stuff getting thrown, feeling like something's standing at the end of her bed, something getting in the bed with her.
I know my mom.
If she says something's going on, I know something's legitimately going on.
Now, how long has she been here? Seven years.
Did you ask her to move? No, because I know she couldn't.
Financially, times aren't the best for anybody.
So, let me ask you another question, what do you think is going on in this house? According to the neighbors, somebody passed away in here.
- Okay.
- Previous owner.
And I think it's probably him.
I don't know much about it, but I could've researched what exactly happened here, obviously being in law enforcement - Right - a lot more than I did.
And I guess that's because I didn't really want to know.
Now, it's got to be tough for you knowing your mom's here alone.
Yes.
I mean, she's not comfortable in her house.
You want to be comfortable when you come home from work.
You want to feel safe.
She doesn't.
If my mom's not comfortable in her house, I don't feel comfortable bringing my wife who's pregnant and my baby in this house.
There is definitely something here.
Oh, there's something wrong with the [bleep.]
tree.
What do you mean? Very bad things have happened.
Several people have been injured.
I feel like a kid got hurt, like, I'm actually seeing these weird things in the trees.
They're walking around, breaking branches.
I don't know if they're dead people or something else.
They definitely can shape shift.
What's gonna scare you is what they're gonna show you.
Yeah.
There's some creepy [bleep.]
Now, Ryan, why'd you bring me into this bedroom? Well, this is where I stayed for the couple of months that I lived here with my mother, and this is where the situation occurred that started making me look into, you know, exactly what was going on here.
Okay, what happened? Well, I was sleeping, and then the next thing I know, woke up for 15 seconds.
I was pinned down in my bed, and it was like I was paralyzed.
I couldn't do anything.
And I saw him holding me down.
He was right in my face laughing, like, "I'm doing this to you, and you can't do anything about it.
" Okay, were you dreaming? No.
I mean, I was clear-minded.
I knew where I was at.
Now, Ryan, after experiencing what you did, and knowing what your mom's going through, I mean, that's got to have you worried that every night she comes into the house alone.
This is not her house.
What the hell? I'm seeing, like, this guy.
He's, like, a big guy built, tough and he's naked, and he has, like, a crust all over his body.
He told me that he was a convict and a felon.
He definitely acts out a lot.
The man does not like anyone in here.
Anybody in here is gonna get it.
And I do see him, like, coming up and, like, you know, just, like, bam! Bam! Over and over and over and over.
He pretty much hated any everyone when he was alive, and he hates everybody now.
I think he's even lifted the bed.
To the living, it kind of looks like a big, black shadow entity, you know, like, just looming and just [bleep.]
going nuts.
Now, Cyndi, you're Dawn's younger sister.
Yes.
Now, you know your sister better than anybody, I would think.
Have you seen any change in her? Yes.
A lot.
- In what way? - It's this home.
It's like it's taking, you know, over her life, like a man takes over a woman's life - Right.
Right - controlling man.
And it doesn't want her to go anywhere.
Okay, so, now, the obvious question I'm gonna ask you is, have you had any experiences while you've been here? Yes, I have.
Well, Dawn and I were down here, and I was standing, like, with my back towards the fire burner, and I feel like a quick tug on my shirt.
Did you get caught up on anything? Were you moving or were you standing next to? No, I was in the middle of the room.
That's strange.
Anything else? A couple months ago, I thought I saw a man standing at the bottom of the stairs.
- Of these stairs? - Yes.
Like, watching me come in.
Okay, what did it look like? It was just a shadow of a man.
It was so dark, I couldn't see through it.
I don't like it being here right now.
Now, Dawn's here alone.
I'm curious what your opinion is as to whatever's here wants from her? Her.
Her.
Meaning? Soul.
- Really? - Mm-hmm.
All right.
- Sorry.
- It's okay.
_ That's your sister.
Seeing that convict, this is his area.
Oh, he's pretty physical, like, he's pretty a solid person.
I think they do feel him pulling people, like, grabbing their arms, like, "Get over here!" or "I'm trying to talk to you!" He's like, "I'm good.
I can do this.
" He has oftentimes tried to destroy this house, and then the walls won't be able to hold him anymore.
How does he try to do that? Well, he was showing me with the oven and the gas Yeah, like, I wouldn't want to be down here with that.
And he was [bleep.]
around with gas.
So, I talked to your son.
I talked to you sister.
They're worried about you.
Yeah.
I'm not as outgoing and as happy as I used to be.
I'm just getting so used to things going on that it's just, like, "Oh, it happened again," or I hear a noise, and it's like, "Okay, it's in here.
" So, do you think that whatever's here is controlling you? Probably.
Your son don't want to bring his family here.
And I just feel like whatever's here enjoys that, that way I'm by myself.
I feel watched.
I'm not alone.
I'm just with it, whatever's here.
Now, knowing you've had experiences throughout the house, is there any place you can show me? Sure.
Yeah.
Okay.
I don't spend time down here 'cause it gives me the creeps.
What's going on? Well, I've heard a voice.
So, what did the voice say? It said, "Leave.
" I left very quickly.
Could you tell if it was a male or a female voice? To me, it sounded like a man.
Was it threatening? Yeah, to me, it felt threatening, when somebody tells you to leave your own home.
Anything else? I was coming in from the garage, I heard a squeaky noise, and I looked down, and I see my basement door opening.
There was no wind, nothing, and I saw it open halfway, it stopped.
And I just ran out in the front yard and called my sister.
- Nobody was in the house, I assume? - No.
Now, I notice that you're visibly more nervous talking inside the house here.
Oh, very nervous.
I normally don't talk about it in the house, because I feel as if when I do, there's gonna be more activity at night.
Okay, so you feel us talking about this inside the house is gonna make things worse here? Oh, definitely tonight.
So, I'm seeing a big guy.
One thing that he likes to do, you know, like, slamming doors.
He'll flip out and he'll, like, throw a fit, and, like, you know, bashing himself, like, full body, like, into the walls.
And that's something that the living would experience? Yeah.
Yes.
There's a lot of chaotic energy.
He's very good at, like, throwing his [bleep.]
on other people.
Like, in life he could hit them, you know, in death he can be as physical as he can be so, like, "Feel that.
Take that.
Feel that.
" He's really, really good at that.
Okay.
This is a storage room, I guess, right? This is my storage room.
I only come in here when I need to get something out.
What the hell is this? Well, one day I came in, and I keep a bouquet of flowers in this box.
Okay.
And when I came in, one single flower from that bouquet was in the middle of the floor.
So, could have somebody come down here and moved the flower? No.
Nobody comes into the house.
So, what's with the frames? It's Christian, and I just felt safer putting them there.
When did this happen, a week like, a couple days ago? No, it's been at least three years.
It's been like this for three years? Yeah, at least three years.
And you've left it here on the floor? I left it on the floor.
And if I ever come down here to get something, I just walk around it.
Okay.
And what do you think the meaning of the flower was? That whatever's here, it's wanted me to accept the flower.
And I said right out loud, "I am not accepting this flower.
I'm leaving it right here.
" A woman is crying a lot down here.
I think she's not okay.
Mentally, she's not okay.
She's a disaster.
Very thin.
She's decaying, and it hurts also in the back of the neck.
It hurts.
Ahh, and she said Ow! [Bleep.]
Man, it hurts really [bleep.]
bad.
Oh, my god.
I don't know how old she is, mid-20s maybe.
Very depressed all the time.
How would the living experience that? They would feel her.
They would feel a lot of stress.
They would feel her get into bed with them, sleeping there, talking to them, touching, caressing, like petting almost, like petting them, and snuggling, like, trying to snuggle up.
She wants a mom and a dad.
This is a very active room.
Okay.
What's going on? I was sleeping on my back, and something leaned over and gave me a kiss, like it was a goodnight kiss.
Not in a romantic way? Not in a romantic way at all.
Anything else going on in here? When I'm sleeping, it will come and sit down on the bed, and I wake up because I can feel something going down on the bed Okay.
As if someone's sitting down on the bed.
I just can't move.
I'm trying everything, and I can't move.
I've tried ignoring it I guess I can't ignore it anymore.
I want my granddaughter to be able to spend the night.
Doing these investigations for as long as I've been doing them now, everything you're describing to me, this is not good.
I'm glad your son called when he did.
You know, putting your head in the sand doesn't help.
Look, I've done it for what? It's almost six years now.
Well, I hope you know that I believe what you're telling me.
Thank you.
The depressed girl likes it in here a lot.
This is her bed her bedroom.
She comes here.
She likes to sleep on that side.
She would like to just stay up here all the time, but she can't.
She goes from the basement to here.
She'll walk down the hallway, and I think that people have seen her walking in the hallway.
But when the living come, she hangs on to them.
Yesterday Ryan told me he thought somebody passed away at his mom's home, so I made a few calls, and it turns out it's true.
I'm on my way back to Dawn's place to meet the previous owner, who tells me her husband died unexpectedly right inside the house.
Let me ask you a question.
Are you a little sad being back here? Just feel kind of funny.
Funny? I feel like crying.
How long did you guys live here for? We lived here a couple of years.
Do you remember the years that you were here? I think maybe around 2003.
He passed away in 2005.
He died in the house? He died in the master bathroom.
Was it sudden? Yeah.
Very sudden.
He was 52, I believe.
- Okay.
- I didn't find him right away.
I was bringing in some of the groceries, and I thought it strange that he wasn't out there helping me.
It was just a little unnerving when I kept calling his name Okay.
And he never responded.
I'm sorry to bring this up.
It's okay.
Okay? Yeah? - You okay? - Yeah.
You sure? All right.
I know this is tough, and I really appreciate you helping me.
Thank you.
What did he do for a living? He was a career soldier, 23 1/2 years.
This is a picture when my husband came home from the Gulf War.
What kind of guy was he? He was very fun-loving, he liked to be the clown.
Go to family reunions.
This is one photo that we had taken, I believe it was on one of our anniversaries in Hawaii.
That's where we were stationed.
I miss him a lot still.
- I got to ask you an odd question.
- Okay.
When you did live here, did you ever have anything happen here that you experienced that you can't explain? Mm-hmm.
Yes.
- You did.
- Definitely.
I always felt somebody was staring at me.
After he died, I could really feel like maybe he was the one.
You think maybe he was here right after he died in the house? I think so.
Just for a little while.
It was a good feeling with that.
I feel like there is another shadow entity, like, crawling down the hallway.
It's, like, really fast.
In military they train you, like that movement when they're crawling.
It's, like, nighttime, somebody looking down the hall is seeing this thing coming at them like this.
He's confused about where he is.
That's why I say military, 'cause it's almost like he's doing tactical assessing, you know? Like he doesn't know he's in a house.
Do you know if he interacts with the living? I saw this kid seeing a shadow person crawling down the hallway.
Was in a crib.
Probably two or three years old.
Now, in just about every investigation, I reach out to a local historian to see if they know anything about my client's property.
I just got a call from a local archivist who says he hit pay dirt.
It seems the original owner of Dawn's land suffered a lot.
I'm heading over to meet with him now to see what he found out.
Now, you mentioned on the phone that the original owners of my client's property had a rough go of it.
What do you know about them? The Utley family came here around 1848 from New York State.
More than likely, they're Methodist.
John came out here with his wife, Lydia, and their four children.
Well, you mentioned they had a tragic time on the land, what'd you mean? Well, they had 16 grandchildren between the three sons.
And six of them died fairly young, before age 15.
- That's a lot.
- That's quite a few.
We do know that they had a set of twins, a boy and a girl, and they died at age one day, no cause of death listed.
Okay.
And then a grandson, Clarence, who died at 15 years, 5 months from dropsy.
All right.
What about the other three? We have no idea.
They all died before death records.
Well, that's a lot of tragedy for just one family.
Those weren't the only deaths.
The one daughter-in-law died at age 41.
Now, Michael, you mentioned the original owners were John and Lydia.
Now, what winded up happening to them? Lydia died in 1861.
She was in her 60s.
Then John dies, 1874.
He's 86.
We're talking about a lot of tragedy here.
Talking about six grandchildren, a daughter-in-law, and John and Lydia all dying on the property.
Yes, in a short period of time.
I see this little woman.
She's, like, very motherly and very nurturing.
She is thrilled that this is happening, which is strange, because she's religious.
I want to say that she's Christian.
She's excited that we're here.
I think she had several sons.
She says that the family her family was haunted.
She thought, "Oh, it's a family curse.
" I thought that they were demons and that the family was for some reason being haunted or tormented by these things through the generations.
She was just hoping and praying that it wouldn't happen to her sons, but now, you know, and now she feels bad, because it did, and it is, and it's not gonna stop.
I've already uncovered 10 people who died on Dawn's property, eight of them way too young, but I still need to see if there's anything else that might help my investigation.
Searching through the archives, I find one of Flint's most notorious criminals Tommie Nesbitt.
Turns out he lived right next door to my client's property.
I don't know if it's gonna help my case or not, but I got to know more about it.
I made some calls, and reached a retired detective who said he's gonna look into it for me.
So, Robert, what were you able to find out about this Tommie Nesbitt guy? He apparently likes to be in jail.
Okay.
He became a thief at the age of 12.
He was caught stealing from orchards adjacent to his neighborhood.
I got to assume we're not sitting here because this kid just stole fruit.
No.
But the crimes increased and escalated.
By the time he was 13, he was sent away to juvenile hall.
His first prison time was for breaking into trains and stealing mittens and gloves.
Once he got out of prison, did he straighten out? No.
He continued to commit crimes.
In 1904, Tommie robbed a hobo on one of the trains, and the train was moving, and during the robbery, the hobo fell off the train and eventually died from his injuries that he received.
And he winds up in the fight, throwing him off the train? Yep.
And Tommie was charged with robbery and sent to Marquette Prison for 5 to 25 years.
He told the justice that he wanted to be a world-class bank robber.
How much time does he wind up doing? Seven years.
- Seven years.
- Yes.
All right, so do they parole him? Well, his mother became sick at that time, and when he was in prison he learned he had tuberculosis, or TB.
That was one of the reasons they sent him home, both his mother was sick and he was sick.
They spent a lot of time talking about this kid, like he was a real famous criminal here.
Well, he was famous.
Some of the articles referred to it as, "Tommie's in jail again," or something, but first name only.
So, what winds up happening to this guy? Well, he came home.
And 30 days after that or a month after that, his mother died from her disease.
And in June of 1912, he died of TB.
So, this kid was just born bad, basically? I would think so.
I'm seeing the big violent guy again.
This guy causes problems.
He said he's a convict and a felon, and he has a gun.
He's spinning the gun.
And he's like, "Aw, sometimes you got to play the game.
" This big guy is the most advanced and dangerous entity in the house.
I'm going back downstairs to see if I can get any more information about what he was like in life.
He was a very violent person.
He was always carrying a gun, you know, he always had to take care of business.
I encountered a lot of dead people during my walk, but the dead woman interacting with the living concerns me the most.
There's two people in the bed, and then there's a dead female who is in the bed in between them, but she's kind of cuddling the person to the left.
She has long hair.
She's pretty thin.
She has dark circles under her eyes, you know, sunken cheeks.
Is this what you saw? Yes.
That's what I saw.
Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations, we're ready to reveal our findings to each other and our clients for the first time.
Well, Amy, I'd like you to meet Dawn.
This is her home.
She lives here alone.
Now, the reason we're here is 'cause her son Ryan and her sister Cyndi are really worried about her.
She actually thinks that something in this house is trying to take her sister's soul.
Now, when I spoke to Dawn, it seems like she was in denial, but the more I was talking to her, the more I think she's ready to face what's going on in this house, and meet it head-on and fight it.
With that, I'm gonna have Amy tell us about what she saw on her walk.
When I walked in the house, I saw an elderly woman.
She is extremely religious.
She's very motherly, very nurturing.
She said that she had several sons, that she was very proud of them.
But she did have a regret, and that was not telling her sons that she felt their family was being haunted by demons.
And she didn't tell them because she was praying that it wouldn't affect them.
- It would go away.
- Right.
And she feels guilty because it ended up that they too were seeing and having experiences.
Well, the only woman that comes even close to that is the original owner of your property.
A woman named Lydia Utley.
She had several sons, and she was a religious woman she was Methodist.
But there was some tragedy in her family.
I came across a whole bunch of death records for the entire family.
- Wow.
- Uh-huh.
Now, the three sons that she did have all lost two kids each on this property.
So she lost six grandchildren, five of them under the age of three.
Now, one of the sons actually had a wife who died at the age of 41.
His name was Asa.
They all died on the property, the whole family did.
Oh, my gosh.
Next, I encountered a male who was tall and thin, and it seemed to me that he seemed lost and confused.
Didn't really know he was, like, in a house.
And he was crawling down the hall, and I think because of how he was doing what he was doing, he probably was military at some point.
And also, I do think that it's very possible that the living might see him as a shadow person.
I was hoping this wasn't gonna happen, but you guys knew that the previous homeowner died here.
His name was Ron.
I was able to talk to his wife and actually meet her in person.
Patsy and Ron wind up moving into your house in 2003.
Now, Ron wind up dying of a massive heart attack suddenly on December 17, 2005.
Amy, you mentioned he may be a military guy, well, Ron wind up serving This is him here.
When I talked to her, she felt that she was still here 'cause she stayed here two years after he passed.
What do you think about this guy? I never encountered him here as a conscious entity.
So, he might have moved on then.
Now, you guys have theories about this guy, so at least now you have an answer about what the deal was.
So, what else? When I was in the basement, there was a male.
- He is a fairly big guy, bald.
- Oh, my gosh.
And he's very solid for a dead person, and I saw him, like, banging up against the walls, like, just like throwing a fit.
So, I feel he can be a physical threat.
He doesn't want to be here anymore, but he is trapped here.
Sometimes he'll be interacting with a living person here.
So, like, grabbing their arm or pulling them.
So, he gets physical in the basement? Yeah.
Well, you've been tugged, right? - Yes.
- Tell Amy about that.
Dawn was showing me her basement, and I felt somebody grab the back of my sweater and tug on it.
And I turned around and there was nothing there.
And I was in the middle of the room.
Now, tell Amy about the door incident.
I came home in the middle of the day, and I heard a noise, the creaking noise, and I looked down and saw the basement door opening.
Didn't you see a shadow at the bottom of the stairs? I was coming in the back door, and out of the corner of my eye I saw a man standing at the bottom of the stairs looking up at me, like, waiting for me.
What did he look like to you? He was just all he was tall, big, and he just stood there like he was something, - that, "I am here.
I'm the boss.
" - Mm-hmm.
When I was upstairs, and I went into the guest bedroom, he was pissed.
That's his area, and he does not like anybody in there.
Basically, he said that anybody who comes in there is gonna get it.
I do see him, like, coming up and, like, you know, just, like, bam! Bam! Over and over and over and over.
I think he's even lifted the bed.
Amy, the one thing I didn't mention to you is that Ryan here is actually a local cop.
Now, being that he's a cop, I take his testimony a little bit more seriously.
Why don't you tell Amy what happened in the guest bedroom to you? It was about a 10- to 15-second situation Okay.
Where my hands were pinned All right up like this.
Okay.
He was looking at me, like, "I can do this to you and I am doing this to you, and I'm gonna do it to you.
" - That sound like the guy? - Yes.
Do you know anything about him, like, when he was alive? He told me that he was a convict and a felon.
Extremely violent and angry person.
He kept showing me a gun that he always had on him, never left his side.
And he kind of indicated to me that he had done bad things with it.
One guy comes to mind.
I don't know if it fits or not, but it's the guy that lived right next door on your property.
This guy named Tommie Nesbitt.
Career criminal.
He's all over the papers.
I mean, every cop in the town knew him.
He winds up doing burglaries on the trains that went through here, and then he robbed a hobo, a bum, and in the fight on the train he fell off the train, and the guy wind up dying.
He went to jail for that, but they didn't charge him with the murder, they only charged him with the robbery.
Now, he wind up only doing seven years, and they did pardon him, but two of the reasons were because he had TB, and his mother was dying.
And when he was released, he wind up coming back here, living with his mom right next door.
Few months later he winds up dying of TB.
He died in 1912.
Kind of sounds like - Uh-huh - this guy.
You're not gonna sleep well tonight.
I haven't.
I don't sleep well most of the time.
- Anyways.
- I've been ignoring it, just hoping it would go away on its own.
Yeah.
It's controlling her a little bit, I think.
He's my biggest concern.
He definitely does pose a real threat.
I mean, in a physical sense.
But he's fixated on getting out of here, and he thinks that the only way to do that at this point is that he wants to destroy the house.
And what he was showing me was gas line and fire.
He better hope I don't pass away any time soon.
Anything else? I went out into the backyard, and as soon as I walked out there, there were these really bad things that would cause accidents and problems and horrible things to happen to people.
And what I saw was, like, all these, like, kind of shapes in the trees and the brush.
They are shape-shifters, so they will project themselves in whatever manner will scare someone.
It's really bad.
They've caused a lot of accidents to happen to people here.
Very bad things have happened to people here.
Well, could that explain some of the deaths the Utley's with their grandkids? That's what I'm thinking.
Now, he won't bring his or his wife who's pregnant now.
Yeah, no way.
Yeah.
These things, they're capable of harming anyone.
And I know it's got to be bothering you a little bit, knowing what's here now.
Not a little bit, a lot.
I won't be able to have Amore here.
So, I ended up going into the storage room.
Sitting there was this frail woman.
She extremely depressed.
I think that you would feel her stress and her sadness.
So, what she does is she tries to come up to the master bedroom all the time.
She wants to snuggle in the bed.
She wants nurturing.
You know, I felt very much like she was acting like a child.
Don't you feel people get on your bed? Right.
But there's been times when I'm sleeping and I feel someone sitting on my bed.
She's had a lot of experiences.
I mean, she's even had a kiss.
I just felt someone knelt down and just gave me a kiss goodnight.
You never told me that.
Could that have been this girl trying to Yes.
I did do a sketch of the girl laying in the bed.
I did do a sketch of the girl laying in the bed.
She looks very sad.
This looks like a male.
What I saw was a male and a female.
Okay.
And her cuddling with the mommy and daddy figure, then she's doing with you, so How does that make you feel, that you're not alone in bed? Not good.
It's more than what I expected.
Well, Dawn, it's a good thing you have a son that worries about you so much, because if he didn't call us in when he did, we don't know what would have happened to you.
Question is, can you have a safe home and make this the place you want to live in, and live comfortably? So, for that answer, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.
For the things in the back, they're some type of elemental, and basically an elemental is a being that never was in human form.
They're not supposed to be bad, but I've encountered quite a few, and I have seen them not be good towards living humans.
So, I think that a shaman should be brought in, and having them do a ritual to set up a permanent boundary to keep those things at bay forever.
Then you could bring the kids over.
The second thing is to have a psychic healer.
So, this person needs to come and go down and talk to the girl in the storage room.
Okay, so this'll get this poor kid out of here.
Yes.
So, now once that happens, will Dawn start feeling any better? Yeah.
You won't get no more sitting on the bed, no more feeling depressed or isolated.
And then, the third thing is hiring a male medium, who's a tough guy, to come in, and he is going to engage crazy guy.
He's going to, basically, have to set this man straight, and move him on.
The elderly woman, once everything has been dealt with and she doesn't feel like there's a threat anymore, she'll leave.
So, you got three major steps, but at the end of all of it, you have your house back.
I mean, do you feel better, Dawn? I just didn't expect all this.
I'm just overwhelmed.
It's not a good feeling.
I feel better.
I mean, based upon what she said.
I mean, if it's fixable.
Something breaks and you can fix it.
That's the goal here, is for you to be happy in your own home, and for your grandchildren to come here and him feel okay about coming here.
That is the goal.
Sorry, Mom, that I haven't brought her over more.
You weren't paranoid.
You had a good reason, but we're gonna fix it.
Dawn finally seems to understand just how active and dangerous her home is, but I believe if she follows my advice, she'll be able to live a peaceful life, where her family will feel safe visiting her.